Blankstare:


The system was bigger than GEJ,there was nothing he could do differently.

Same way the system is bigger than Buhari but he is doing things differently in favour of his people. GEJ was a mistake. No excuse is really tenable for his failure.

Mcreloaded:



Take time out to understand the south south very well then you will know that there is no way the south south can join Biafra or join the East for anything political.

The Delta and Edo states for example are more related than you will think.

The Edos are more related to the Yorubas,
Not forgetting also that the south south have different languages in their hundreds unlike the Igbos,Yoruba or Hausas.

Birds of the same feather flock and congregate together

While I agree with you on other assertions here as an Edo person, I disagree with your claim that Edos are more related to Yorubas. The interaction which existed between Edo (specifically Binis only) and Yorubas were political and pre-colonial ones and had nothing to do with blood links. Forget about all these Oduduwa and Ekalderan stories. Edo languages don't share linguistic affinity with Yoruba language. In fact Yoruba Language is linguistically closer to Igbo Language. Edo culture, traditional value system, and other elements of culture are world's apart from those of Yorubas but more identical with those of Urhobos and Isokos.

Space booked for comment later

RTSC:

Everybody will give you a raw deal if you are not smart.
Nobody is here to help you.
Even in international politics,nations get given a raw deal.

Igbos are the only ones that have stood behind the south south.
They are the ones agitating for an ibom port in akwaibom.
They are the only Ones that want the niger delta to control their resources
Go to any forum where resource control is discussed and see if any other ethnic group wants the Niger delta to control their oil apart from the igbos.

The rest of the country sees the south south as a criminal infested region to be milked.
It doesn't cost igbos anything to join the other major ethnics.

Igbos decision to stand behind the SS these days was actually an afterthought prompted by the boomeranging of all their initial sabotage of the SS' efforts towards resource control and even secession. These facts are well documented in the annals of history.
While Igbos were still enjoying relevance in the warm embrace of Hausafulanis, they didn't give a damn about the SS'interest let alone stand by them. This is actually why the SS doesn't seem to be ever enthralled by the idea of solidarity with Igbos.

Yankiss:
If you do not understand a comment, don't quote.By using their oil to run car, I meant using the SE SS crude oil resources to run the affairs of state. Garrit?

I also asked a simple Yes or No question?

matify83:


I thought politics was supposed to be a game of even representation, where the constitution superceeds any parochial sentiments.

The ruling party can not appropriate political offices to only the regular where it got her votes from without recourse to the federal character clause enshrined in the constitution.

Of what use then is the opposition in a democracy if politics as practiced in Nigeria is all about winner takes all.

Thanks for your civility anyway but I am not a southerner.

You views are very naive and suggest you may have a little understanding of the situation.

First of all, Senator Kabiru Gaya did say that the SE & SS were out rightly politically irrelevant but (in the context of the recently concluded elections) only 4 out of the 6 geopolitical zones were responsible for delivering the president; this does not in anyway mean that the other 2 zones are irrelevant - as the misleading headlines made it out to be.

Secondly, politics is a game of numbers and in most cases; indeed it is winners take all.

Thirdaly, the current wrangling is a predominantly an intra- party (i.e. APC internal) affair where some aspirants and their supporters are making cases for themselves to emerge as the party consensus candidates towards the upcoming legislative elections.

Fourthly, in most climes it is the norm for the party in majority (APC) to assume the legislative leadership and for the party to exercise its supremacy over its members to this end - whether covertly or openly as it is happening in the case of APC.

Lastly, none of what is happening is in conflict with the constitution; since at the end of the day all officers will be produced by way of democratic elections within the two houses of the Senate & HOR, where every member will be free to cast his/her vote, including members of the opposition - though in reality, it is expected for minority to have their say and the majority to have their way.

In the video, Kabiru Gaya was only making a case for his zone and himself to be considered for the deputy senate presidency - nothing more.

That's what happens when tribalistic slowpokes makes it to the senate. His comment is in bad taste & without a doubt,is a reflection of his inferior mind. So much hubris displayed in the words of a senator representing a part of nigeria that contributes little or nothing to our economy. Numbers are important quite alright, especially financially,and on that count,the so called unimportant region (ss/se) holds the major cards. Take out the revenue generated from oil in the last 50years from Nigeria & imagine how worse our country would be right now. Most importantly, there would be no such lucrative wage in the legislative Chambers in the first place that would entice a fish brained neathandal to aspire for a position where outstanding creative solution providers are needed.

RTSC:

I am sure you were not existing during the 16 years of the pdp.
5 years of the opposition is enough to tell us who is relevant and who is not. ?

Even with the mass rigging in the K states, your Lord and master buhari won with just 2-3 million. '

We will see in time.

As for gaya, he will never rise beyond the Senate.

And what will you rise to? More envious incorrigible bigot? At least Gaya was a State Governor and now a Senator, sounds high enough.

while d north east and north west re economically and humanly irrelevant

Hedonini:


It's because the SS is too divided to forge a common front and fight for a common cause. The SS has no dominant ethnic identity. It's even more heterogeneous than the North Central. Too many ethnic groups within each state in the SS, not to talk about the region as a whole.

So that's why they can't unite to pursue disintegration. But I'm actually quite impressed that they're somewhat politically united, in terms of who they vote for at the national level.

South South more heterogenous than the North-central?

Plateau state alone has about 50 distinct ethnic groups, same with Nasarawa. Southern Kaduna, Adamawa & Taraba may not politically be in the Northcentral but they are also very diverse too just like Plateau.
In these areas, you can find 1 LGA with multiple tribes.

In my LGA in Plateau state we have 5 distinct indigenous tribes there. Don't even get me started. This is why Hausa is used as a lingua franca.

Deadlytruth:


Igbos decision to stand behind the SS these days was actually an afterthought prompted by the boomeranging of all their initial sabotage of the SS' efforts towards resource control and even secession. These facts are well documented in the annals of history.
While Igbos were still enjoying relevance in the warm embrace of Hausafulanis, they didn't give a damn about the SS'interest let alone stand by them. This is actually why the SS doesn't seem to be ever enthralled by the idea of solidarity with Igbos.

Oh really?
When have igbos never took care of the south south?
Why do you think we had a Jonathan as president?

Igbos could as well have fought for the presidency and gotten it as well.

Keep talking nonsense.

Deadlytruth:


The national party status you credit PDP with is one which doesn't take the SE into relevance except when they lost power at the center and were trying to recapture it. Come to think of it, throughout PDP's 16 year reign in which it had five President-VP tickets, an Igbo man was never included in just one of those tickets. But once the party lost power, an Igbo man was made to feature on the next ticket which was obviously bound to fail. Yet you call that a national party? Are Igbos not part of the nation?

Igbos rather preferred to dominate behind the scenes.
Obasanjo got the presidency in 1999 to placate the south west for the MKO debacle.

And after that it came to the north naturally.
The only time igbos could have gotten the presidency was the one Jonathan got.

And we supported that decision because we are not power hungry and dominated behind the scenes anyway.

Though I guess we are now power hungry given the current events.

The next southern presidential candidate of the pdp, Nigeria's only National Party, is going to be igbo.
That is a fact.

But you can keep writing nonsense.

Honor10:


u guys are politically irrelevant that's the truth. instead of to support yoruba for 2023, u said u wanted to lick Fulani yansh, now those Fulani have told u to ur face that u are useless and that's the truth. 5% oshi.

One question for you

How does the president coming frm a certain region benefit the masses from that region?

You fools have refused to use your sense

OBJ was president for 8 years, it did not change the excruciating poverty in the SW

GEJ was president for 5 yeara, the folks in the creeks are still suffering

Now the.current idiot in chief is BUHARI, and the north today is experiencing hellish poverty; hunger, insecurity and hopelessness

Yet these same elite will still play the tribalism card to confuse the masses....


you guys should use your head

what we need is a president that will deliver

Not one that appeal to ethnic sentiment

Deadlytruth:

Same way the system is bigger than Buhari but he is doing things differently in favour of his people. GEJ was a mistake. No excuse is really tenable for his failure.

BUHARI is a bigger mistake....
And Nigerians rewarded bad behaviour by re electing that sonofaBitch

GEJ being kicked out is not my pain, it's whom my country men decided to replace him with

Unfortunately tho, most of them are now feeling the brunt of his bad governance

they will continue to suffer and die....

the consequences of their foolish actions

You guys for naija enjoy unasef you hear?

we will be watching from here

RTSC:

Igbos rather preferred to dominate behind the scenes.
Obasanjo got the presidency in 1999 to placate the south west for the MKO debacle.

And after that it came to the north naturally.
The only time igbos could have gotten the presidency was the one Jonathan got.

And we supported that decision because we are not power hungry and dominated behind the scenes anyway.

Though I guess we are now power hungry given the current events.

The next southern presidential candidate of the pdp, Nigeria's only National Party, is going to be igbo.
That is a fact.

But you can keep writing nonsense.

Igbos preferring to dominate behind the scenes? Then that is no longer domination. It is like saying you prefer to take first position from the rear, thus indirectly saying you prefer to be the least and last. This theory of yours is just to explain away the dwindled political fortunes of the Igbos which majority of Igbos won't even agree with. If Igbos preferred domination from behind the scenes, then why have they kept demanding their fair share of power and appointments at the center even in this APC government which they purport to loath? I guess the center is behind the scenes, right?
The claim that Obasanjo got presidency for the placation of the SW regarding MKO debacle is illogical and self contradictory considering the fact that the Northern Oligarchy which railroaded him to power did so as a reward to him for his anti-June 12 stance and his earlier betrayal of his own Yoruba race to the same North by handing power over to Shagari to spite Awolowo. A genuine placation of Yorubas for MKO debacle would have rather taken the form of every other region supporting the candidacy of Olu Falae the genuine preference of Yorubas.
Igbos' support of the Obasanjo candidacy was in furtherance of their traditional pro-Hausafulani leaning which began from independence by way of the NCNC+NPC coalition which transformed into the NPN-NPP coalition and then to the Hausafulani-Igbo marriage that culminated in PDP creation in 1999.
The Jonathan presidency was more of an accidental event than one gotten by planning or strategy, so your argument that Igbos supported it is quite outlandish.
Again, the presidency which was actually due to Igbos were those of 2003 which was later described by Obasanjo as a gentle man's agreement, and that of Yaradua both of which Igbos were first to endorse both candidates despite they were robbed in both cases. In fact in 1999 Alex Ekweme was already on the path to clinch the PDP ticket but IBB used cash to bulldoze him out of the way for Obasanjo to the applause of Igbos.
The PDP only uses Igbos to do the dirty job of endorsing their Northern and Yoruba candidates.
How come the PDP is a national party yet the candidacy of Jonathan a South-South son angered some of the members so much that they pulled out of it and swelled the ranks of the opposition party to his defeat in that election? The same fate awaits that Igbo man that will emerge as PDP candidate for the first time.

These are the hard truths judging from the past and present events. You can keep deluding yourself with alternate reality.

Ugosample:


BUHARI is a bigger mistake....
And Nigerians rewarded bad behaviour by re electing that sonofaBitch

GEJ being kicked out is not my pain, it's whom my country men decided to replace him with

Unfortunately tho, most of them are now feeling the brunt of his bad governance

they will continue to suffer and die....

the consequences of their foolish actions

You guys for naija enjoy unasef you hear?

we will be watching from here

Buhari looks like a bigger mistake in your eyes because you are a Southerner. The Northerners especially of his own Hausafulani extraction don't see him as such because his style of governance is actually in huge favour of them. But Jonathan's style was ironically detrimental to his own SS and the entire South which gave him bloc votes in unison in 2011. This is where the difference lies.

RTSC:

Oh really?
When have igbos never took care of the south south?
Why do you think we had a Jonathan as president?

Igbos could as well have fought for the presidency and gotten it as well.

Keep talking nonsense.

Look up history. If you had always been considerate of the SS' interest, then why is it that an average SS person is not too thrilled by Igbo proposals for cross regional alliances? Let us go back in history and look first at the refusal of the Igbo political elite to grant the COR Region only for Gowon, a Northerner, to be the one to grant it to them in another form.

Deadlytruth:


Buhari looks like a bigger mistake in your eyes because you are a Southerner. The Northerners especially of his own Hausafulani extraction don't see him as such because his style of governance is actually in huge favour of them. But Jonathan's style was ironically detrimental to his own SS and the entire South which gave him bloc votes in unison in 2011. This is where the difference lies.

point of correction
the northern elite class which btw are the ones getting the appointment and goodies

the regular northern youth is not benefiting (well apart from that feeling that their brother is in office)

hunger and crime and insecurity/despondency has increased massively up north

That does not look like a benefit tho

Deadlytruth:


Look up history. If you had always been considerate of the SS' interest, then why is it that an average SS person is not too thrilled by Igbo proposals for cross regional alliances? Let us go back in history and look first at the refusal of the Igbo political elite to grant the COR Region only for Gowon, a Northerner, to be the one to grant it to them in another form.

The last time I checked Peter obi as vice presidential candidate won far more votes for atiku in the south south than even the south east.

If we are talking history, the mdwest who were languishing under the tyranny of awolowo had to break away from the western region.

Keep talking nonsense.

Deadlytruth:

Igbos preferring to dominate behind the scenes? Then that is no longer domination. It is like saying you prefer to take first position from the rear, thus indirectly saying you prefer to be the least and last. This theory of yours is just to explain away the dwindled political fortunes of the Igbos which majority of Igbos won't even agree with. If Igbos preferred domination from behind the scenes, then why have they kept demanding their fair share of power and appointments at the center even in this APC government which they purport to loath? I guess the center is behind the scenes, right?
The claim that Obasanjo got presidency for the placation of the SW regarding MKO debacle is illogical and self contradictory considering the fact that the Northern Oligarchy which railroaded him to power did so as a reward to him for his anti-June 12 stance and his earlier betrayal of his own Yoruba race to the same North by handing power over to Shagari to spite Awolowo. A genuine placation of Yorubas for MKO debacle would have rather taken the form of every other region supporting the candidacy of Olu Falae the genuine preference of Yorubas.
Igbos' support of the Obasanjo candidacy was in furtherance of their traditional pro-Hausafulani leaning which began from independence by way of the NCNC+NPC coalition which transformed into the NPN-NPP coalition and then to the Hausafulani-Igbo marriage that culminated in PDP creation in 1999.
The Jonathan presidency was more of an accidental event than one gotten by planning or strategy, so your argument that Igbos supported it is quite outlandish.
Again, the presidency which was actually due to Igbos were those of 2003 which was later described by Obasanjo as a gentle man's agreement, and that of Yaradua both of which Igbos were first to endorse both candidates despite they were robbed in both cases. In fact in 1999 Alex Ekweme was already on the path to clinch the PDP ticket but IBB used cash to bulldoze him out of the way for Obasanjo to the applause of Igbos.
The PDP only uses Igbos to do the dirty job of endorsing their Northern and Yoruba candidates.
How come the PDP is a national party yet the candidacy of Jonathan a South-South son angered some of the members so much that they pulled out of it and swelled the ranks of the opposition party to his defeat in that election? The same fate awaits that Igbo man that will emerge as PDP candidate for the first time.

These are the hard truths judging from the past and present events. You can keep deluding yourself with alternate reality.

More and more nonsense.
Using valuable time for bigotry.

The igbos have benefited from the pdp. The only time we could have gotten the presidency was the Jonathan era which we gladly left to bring peace to the delta.

Igbos are a majority ethnic group in control of Nigeria's only National Party.
We are big players in the National Assembly, stealing the National Assembly right from under nose of the apc.
We will become president and you would be alive to see it.

And the great thing is that we would have earned our spot unchallenged and without grievances.
So the Jonathan scenario can never happen.

As for the southwest, your fate is sealed with the apc.
Keep riding under the buhari wave for now. Once he leaves, you guys are fuccked.

Nigeria blogger self.they might blackmail this man.

NaMeAboki:


I bet you didn't even bother to watch video let alone listened to his argument where he backed them up with factual figures; here you are allowing your emotions to override basic reasoning towards senselessness - typical southerner.

Which "actual figures" are you talking about Mr Abbokki?...unknown to you northerners your greedy lust for power for the sake of it is ruining your region and decimating your people..

Your region tops every negative indices known to man in this country inspite of your stuppid hold to power because of Crude-oil..I mean look at the north now,,an eye-sore and human shame and disgrace everywhere....

The Southerners you lots are latching on for some sort of leverage will not be with you forever..That i can assure you.

RTSC:

More and more nonsense.
Using valuable time for bigotry.

The igbos have benefited from the pdp. The only time we could have gotten the presidency was the Jonathan era which we gladly left to bring peace to the delta.

Igbos are a majority ethnic group in control of Nigeria's only National Party.
We are big players in the National Assembly, stealing the National Assembly right from under nose of the apc.
We will become president and you would be alive to see it.

And the great thing is that we would have earned our spot unchallenged and without grievances.
So the Jonathan scenario can never happen.

As for the southwest, your fate is sealed with the apc.
Keep riding under the buhari wave for now. Once he leaves, you guys are fuccked.

Of course I knew you are not immune to the typical Igbo disease of assuming that whoever sees through the deceitfulness of the PDP as regards the interest of the South must be from the SW.
If you had really benefited from the PDP as a people, then why was Ohaneze Ndigo leadership threatening to withdraw support for PDP should the party not pick an Igbo VP running mate in the build up towards the just concluded presidential election?
Didn't Ohaneze recently confess that PDP didn't carry out any meaningful infrastructural project in the SE throughout her 16 years? What then is the meaning of benefit?
The PDP was formed not by Igbos but by the Hausafulani controlled Katsina Mafia whose PDM metamorphosed into it overnight in 1998 with Igbos being accepted into it as second fiddle players to Hausafulanis as usual. Likewise, IBB one of the founders and financiers of the party, recently confessed to infusing a military wing into the party at its formation stage. The military wing as we know it is dominated by the Hausafulanis, so how could such a party be a national party? Or you think the national outlook of parties is a measure of geographical spread?
So the Saraki who stole National Assembly leadership is now an Igbo by adoption? And with his stolen tenure ending in days from now amidst the consensus that another Northerner replaces him while Gbaja clinches speakership, how do Igbos come into the scheme?
Keep dreaming of clinching presidency when you have already used insults and hate messages to alienate the Hausafulanis whose partnership you can't do without to make it happen.

The Jonathan scenario was to a large extent due to the hedge of sycophancy you Igbos built around him to the alienation of him from the other parts of the South and Middle Belt. As it stands now, only the Middle Belt might sympathize completely with the prospect of Igbo president. Among you Igbos yourselves, there is division as majority of you want Biafra.

RTSC:

The last time I checked Peter obi as vice presidential candidate won far more votes for atiku in the south south than even the south east.

If we are talking history, the mdwest who were languishing under the tyranny of awolowo had to break away from the western region.

Keep talking nonsense.

The SS is far more populated than the SE. According to the 2006 census results, the SS comes third while the SE comes 6th i.e. a distant last. So, that Obi got more votes for PDP in the SS than in his own SE is by default and not by anything else. What you should therefore look at is the percentage of votes he got for PDP in both regions, and on that he got a higher figure in his SE. The SS is not playing politics of bitterness and vengeance like the SE.
The Midwest was able to break away not from Awolowo's tyranny (recall that Awolowo, as a federalist, wasn't against creation of more regions but was against the hypocrisy of Azikiwe who wanted a region created out of the Western Region but was vehemently opposed to the creation of COR Region out of his own Eastern Region) but from the Western Region because the Yorubas' grip was not as tight and firm as that of Zik and Igbos from whom the Eastern minorities couldn't break away despite how hard they tried through democratic means until they had to take to violent approach in the form of Isaac Boro's NDR declaration which Igbos still thwarted with the military might of One-Nigeria at a time they were still in romance with Hausafulanis.
Igbos only came to identify with the SS when their usual ally, the Hausafulanis, stopped inviting them to the party at the center.
If the political alliances between Igbos and Hausafulanis get revived some day such that Hausafulanis ditch Yorubas, all these SS-SE mouthing will become history immediately. We have been down that road several times.

Ugosample:


point of correction
the northern elite class which btw are the ones getting the appointment and goodies

the regular northern youth is not benefiting (well apart from that feeling that their brother is in office)

hunger and crime and insecurity/despondency has increased massively up north

That does not look like a benefit tho

It is your level of education and enlightenment that got you to understand that there is really no benefit in having one's regions' elites in appointments while the common man in the recipent region doesn't feel the impact of the government. For the typical Northern youth, there can be no greater political benefit than having a Northern moslem in power just for the sake of it. You may wonder how Buhari's stint as Military HOS benefited them to warrant their rooting for him in 2015 and again in 2019. You may wonder whether IBB shared with any of them his mountainous loots from the national coffers as Military HOS to warrant all of them sheepishly accepting his annointed Obasanjo in 1999, etc. That is how the mind of the Northern youth works hence a Jonathan in power trying to please them with very expensive infrastructural and social projects at the detriment of his own home region couldn't get their approval because he was not a Northern moslem.
All those Southern elites like Zik, MKO, Ironsi, Edwin Clark, etc who sacrificed southern interest to please the North failed to actually please them. Some of them like Ironsi and MKO did not even live to tell the story. Now, why did Jonathan, with hindsight at his disposal, believe his own case was going to be the exception hence tried to do the same thing others before him tried and failed?

Ziggylady:


Which "actual figures" are you talking about Mr Abbokki?...unknown to you northerners your greedy lust for power for the sake of it is ruining your region and decimating your people..

Your region tops every negative indices known to man in this country inspite of your stuppid hold to power because of Crude-oil..I mean look at the north now,,an eye-sore and human shame and disgrace everywhere....

The Southerners you lots are latching on for some sort of leverage will not be with you forever..That i can assure you.

I am not surprised that even though many of you are educated, some of you nonetheless exhibit poor level of comprehension; if you had watched the video and listened carefully to Senator Kabiru Gaya you wouldn't have been asking such stupid question as "which actual figures?"

Many of you are pained and delusional about power and ignorantly fall prey to the false narrative of the so called 'born to rule mentality'. Quite on the contrary; if northers had not been magnanimous in sharing of power with the south by accepting the concepts of geopolitical zoning and rotational presidency etc (mere undemocratic gimmicks introduced by southerner to ensure a shift of power to themselves) northerners could have easily held to their majority advantage and always retained power - without the option of sharing with the south.

NaMeAboki:


I am not surprised that even though many of you are educated, some of you nonetheless exhibit poor level of comprehension; if you had watched the video and listened carefully to Senator Kabiru Gaya you wouldn't have been asking such stupid question as "which actual figures?"

Many of you are pained and delusional about power and ignorantly fall prey to the false narrative of the so called 'born to rule mentality'. Quite on the contrary; if northers had not been magnanimous in sharing of power with the south by accepting the concepts of geopolitical zoning and rotational presidency etc (mere undemocratic gimmicks introduced by southerner to ensure a shift of power to themselves) northerners could have easily held to their majority advantage and always retained power - without the option of sharing with the south.

The North don't have the economic advantage to play such a dangerous game.

The so called majority advantage is highly overrated and includes the so called north central. If the north can hold on to power without the option of sharing it they will do so.

abdulwastecx:


The North don't have the economic advantage to play such a dangerous game.

The so called majority advantage is highly overrated and includes the so called north central. If the north can hold on to power without the option of sharing it they will do so.

So according to your warped logic the north central is no longer an integral part of the north - go ahead and clap for yourself.
He who has political power controls all the resources - lets see how you can argue against that.

NaMeAboki:


So according to your warped logic the north central is no longer an integral part of the north - go ahead and clap for yourself.
He who has political power controls all the resources - lets see how you can argue against that.

lol..its impossible for any region to hold on to power decide to give it out "magnanimously anytime it want like u said..
not in this Nigeria anyway......its impossible so your postulation is a false one.
though I get the rest of your point about the video.

sapoyoro:

lol..its impossible for any region to hold on to power decide to give it out "magnanimously anytime it want like u said..
not in this Nigeria anyway......its impossible so your postulation is a false one.
though I get the rest of your point about the video.

Ignorance is bliss.

NaMeAboki:


Ignorance is bliss.

its u who look ignorant. how's that even possible that in a country as heterogeneous like Nigeria such will happen?
why was buhari loosing despite always winning in the so call north before 2015?

sapoyoro:

its u who look ignorant. how's that even possible that in a country as heterogeneous like Nigeria such will happen?
why was buhari loosing despite always winning in the so call north before 2015?

I repeat: ignorance is bliss - enjoy it as much as you like.