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| Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 9:42pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
Why So Many Versions of the Quran - Quranic Corrections Ep. 3 The Rasm and 30 Different Qurans CIRA International Published on Jul 13, 2019 Al Fadi and Jay Smith continue their discussion of the ground breaking new work by Dr. Daniel Brubaker proving that Quran has not been passed down unchanged through the ages. The early Quran manuscripts contained only the skeleton of the text, the rasm, with no vowel marks. Those were added later. In fact, researchers have found 30 different versions of the Quran from all over the world. Al Fadi and Jay Smith continue their conversation about the claim that the Quran the Muslims use today is the same as the Quran of Mohammad's day. They discuss Dr. Daniel Brubaker's book, Corrections in Early Qurʾān Manuscripts: Twenty Examples (Quran Manuscript Change Studies) and Dr. Brubaker's qualifications as a scholar and textual analyst. These talks are intended to help Christians who are working with Muslims, and to help Muslims deal with some of the problems with their foundations. Daniel Brubaker, PhD, is a scholar of Qurʾan manuscripts of the 7th-10th centuries AD, the earliest period of the book’s existence. He defended his doctoral dissertation titled “Intentional Changes in Qurʾan Manuscripts” and was awarded his PhD at Rice University in Houston in 2014. Since then he has continued his work researching corrections in early Qurʾans. To date, Brubaker has analyzed approximately 10,000 early Qurʾan manuscript folios, most in person, in institutions and libraries in Paris, St. Petersburg, Oxford, Cambridge, London, Dublin, Doha, Manama, Kuwait, Tashkent, and elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsnXMZ5lEE Empiree, Abdulgaffar22 6 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by RealLordZeus(m): 9:48pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
Lol, No multiple version! It's just one version throughout the world, what u r referring to is font styling, my handwriting is different to yours, so if it's on that premise u can have a million version 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sulasa07(m): 10:26pm On Jul 17, 2019 |
Why do people love to lie,diff Qur'an versions,I laugh in Hebrew True true,Quran in the early days didn't have the vowel marks but it did not mean its not present. The Arabians didn't need the marks to read the Quran coz its there language but non Arabians needed the vowel marks to get the correct pronunciation. So what happened, they just added the marks to the Quran instead of writing the words alone. And I don't know if writing styles now refer to diff versions. 3 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 12:06am On Jul 18, 2019 |
sagenaija:Talk is cheap 3 Likes
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 9:48pm On Jul 22, 2019 |
7 Ways the Quran Has Been Corrected - Quranic Corrections https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bjDMWfbKzU CIRA International Published on Jul 20, 2019 After introducing and describing the 6 major early Qur’anic manuscripts (the Topkapi, Samarkand, Ma’il, Petropolitanus, Huseini, and Sana’a manuscripts), Jay and Al Fadi zero in on the Sana’a MS, the manuscript Al Fadi is working on for his doctorate, and point out how there are different dates even between the two pages pictured on the slide. They then introduce the two best known Muslim scholars, Dr Tayyar Altikulac, and Prof Dr Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, who worked on and studied all of these 6 manuscripts between 2002 and 2007 AD. In their book on the subject, ‘Al Mushaf al Sharif’, both maintained that none of these earliest manuscripts are from the time of Uthman, nor are they complete, nor do they agree entirely with each other, nor entirely with our current 1924 ‘Hafs’ Qur’an. Dr Dan Brubaker in his doctoral thesis looked at these 6 manuscripts as well and found 7 types of early Consonantal corrections scattered right through these manuscripts, pointing out that these variants are not the later ‘diacritical’ or vowellization corrections at all, but are corrections to the basic Arabic script itself, known as the ‘Rasm’, a salient point which Muslims are constantly confused by. The 7 types of Consonantal Corrections Dr Brubaker found include: 1) Insertions: Words or letters which are inserted above the line, or between other letters, after the text had been finished. These often can be considered mere ‘copyist errors’, or ‘scribal errors’. 2) Erasures: Words or even sentences and verses which have been erased with nothing to replace them. These are more damaging because they show an intentional correction by a later scribe, censoring the text so that it corresponds with the current 1924 ‘Hafs’ canonical text. 3) Erasures, written over top: Words, or phrases which have been erased and then other letters, words and phrases written over top. This is even more damaging, because it demonstrates an intentional correction with the hope by the later scribe of standardizing the text. 4) Overwriting without erasures: Here the scribe hasn’t even tried to hide what they are correcting but has quickly (and often awkwardly) written over top of the existing text with new words or phrases, in order to standardize the existing text with our current 1924 ‘Hafs’ text. 5) Coverings: Like the erasures, this is an intentional censorship to the text by a later scribe who places elongated paper or animal skin patches over a word, or a phrase, or a verse, in order to hide what obviously disagrees with our current 1924 ‘Hafs’ canonized text. 6) Selective coverings overwritten: Here the scribe covers over an existing text with these paper or animal skin patches, and then writes another text on top of the covering. This again is an intentional censor of the text, but this time writing in what will now standardize that text to our current 1924 ‘Hafs’ text. 7) Tapings: Instead of an elongated covering a later scribe has applied a patch over top of the existing text in order to censor it, so that it now corresponds with our current 1924 ‘Hafs’ text. This is not due to a damage of the manuscript, as the back side shows no damage. What remains now parallels our 1924 edition. Al Fadi and Jay then move on to introduce Dr Dan Brubaker’s book, entitled: ’20 Examples of Correction in Early Qur’an Manuscripts’. Example 1: This first example is an Insertion within the Topkapi mushaf al-sharif, folio 122 (verso). It is found in Surah 9:72 where the word ‘Huwa’ (it is) has been added to the existing text, which used to say, “And Allah’s good pleasure is greater than the great triumph”. Now with the ‘huwa’ added, it now says, “And Allah’s good pleasure is greater, it is the great triumph”. While adding the huwa doesn’t change the meaning that much, and therefore, wasn’t needed; it is clear that they did add it so that the current text now corresponds to the canonical 1924 ‘Hafs’ which we use today around the world. So, what is this 1924 ‘Hafs’ text? In 1924, in just the high schools within Cairo in Egypt they found that they couldn’t use standardized tests with the Qur’an, because they were getting so many different answers to questions they were posing from their students. Thus, they went to Al Azhar university and asked a committee headed up by Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Husayni al-Haddad to choose just one of the many variant Arabic Qur’ans (Hatun Tash, on our team in London has 31 of these variant Qur’ans in her possession in London alone). Muhammad b. ‘Ali al-Husayni Al Haddad chose a Qur’an put together in 792 AD by a student living in Kufa, Iraq, whose name was Hafs, and that became the standard, but only for the high schools in Cairo, from 1924 until today. All of the remaining variant Qur’ans the authorities in Cairo then took out on a boat and sunk them into the Nile river, where they still remain. This proves that the Qur’an we are using today was chosen less than 95 years ago, chosen by men, a committee of them, and not by God. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 8:46am On Jul 23, 2019 |
Does the Qur'an only use Arabic, as it claims? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pH8_mkyyQ PfanderFilms Published on Jul 21, 2019 Muslims believe that the Arabic language is the language of Allah. They also believe that the Qur'an, because it is perfect, is the exact representation of Allah's words (surah 10:37). For that reason, only the Arabic Qur'an can be considered as authoritative. Most Qur’anic translations into other languages don’t call it translations, but “An interpretation of the Meaning of the Noble Qur’an”. It, therefore, follows that those who do not know Arabic are required to read and memorize the Qur'an in the Arabic language, as translations can never replace the language of Allah (Surahs 12:2; 13:37; 41:41,44). What then are we to do with the previous scriptures, the Taurat and Injil which were originally written in Hebrew and Greek? Did God relate those revelations in Arabic, and then somehow had them translated into the language the Jews and Christians could understand? Of course not. Language is a human invention, created over time by groups of people to communicate ideas and to pass on information. God is not dependent on our finite human languages. The only time He needs them is when He communicates directly or via an intermediary to us, His creation. However, it is our language He uses to communicate. Thus, He used Hebrew and Aramaic to communicate to the Jews. When He incarnated Himself as Jesus Christ, He spoke Aramaic (and must have known Greek as well, as He spoke to the centurion and the Samaritan woman in a language they could understand). But the New Testament writers chose to write what He said and did in Koinanea Greek, for no other reason, than that was the lingua franca (and thus the trade language) for the greatest percent of the population living at that time. Yet, what about the Qur’an which we have today? Is it the pure Arabic document which Muslims claim it to be? The answer is unequivocally ‘NO!’ There are many foreign words or phrases which are employed in the Qur'an, some of which have no Arabic equivalent, and others which do. Arthur Jeffery, in his book Foreign Vocabulary of the [Koran], has gathered some 300 pages, documenting over one-hundred (non-Arabic) words, many of which must have been used in pre-Qur'anic Arabic, but quite a number also which must have been used little or not at all before they were included in the Qur’an (Jeffery 1938:79). One must wonder why these words were borrowed, as it puts doubt on whether ‘Allah's language’ is sufficient enough to explain and reveal all that Allah had intended. Some of the foreign words include: 1) Egyptian words: Pharaoh, a word which means king or potentate, is repeated in the Qur'an 84 times. 2) Accadian (No.Iraq) words: Adam and Eden which are repeated 24 times. A more correct term for ‘Adam’ in Arabic would be basharan or insan, meaning Amankind.’ ‘Eden’ would be the word janna in Arabic, which means Agarden.’ 3) Assyrian words: Abraham (sometimes recorded as Ibrahim). The correct Arabic equivalent would be Abu Raheem. 4) Persian words: Haroot and Maroot are Persian names for angels. Sirat meaning ‘the path’ has the Arabic equivalent, Altareeq. Hoor meaning ‘disciple’ has the Arabic equivalent, Tilmeeth. Jinn meaning ‘good or evil demons’ has the Arabic equivalent Ruh. Firdaus meaning ‘the highest or seventh heaven" has the Arabic equivalent, Jannah. 5) Syriac words: Taboot, Taghouth, Zakat, Malakout are all Syriac words which have been borrowed and included in the ‘Arabic’ Qur'an. 6) Hebrew words: Heber, Sakinah, Maoon, Taurat, Jehannim, Tufan (deluge) are all Hebrew words which have been borrowed and included in the ‘Arabic’ Qur'an. 7) Greek words: Injil, which means ‘gospel’ was borrowed, yet it has the Arabic equivalent, Bisharah. Iblis is not Arabic, but a corruption of the Greek word Diabolos. 8 ) Christian Aramaic: Qiyama is the Aramaic word for resurrection. 9) Christian Ethiopic: Malak (2:33) is the Ethiopic word for angel. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by kkins25(m): 4:42pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
sagenaija:"what goes around comes around" they say. I think i once participated in Al fadi's facebook debates where i contributed nothing he didn't already know. But at that time i was hoisting the flag of Christianity. He is a mighty muslim arab warrior turned Christian. I think all muslims should take al fadi's path. Realize that islam is nothing but one of man's many expression of literature. Then again, i employ all those who would become like al fadi to abandon ship and swim towards the boat of pantheism. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 6:09pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
All Abrahamic text are fake, false and counterintuitive. 2 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 8:25pm On Jul 23, 2019 |
kkins25: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJI1rc9cX_M 3 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:14am On Jul 24, 2019 |
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 4:34pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
Today's Koran Comes in Different Variants The Koran has come down to what we have today through many transmitted versions. It is recited or read through one of these versions. Each version has its own chain of narrators (isnad) like a hadith. So, we have versions like the Warsh version, the Hafs version, the Qualun version, the al-Duri version, etc. When we compare these Korans it becomes obvious they are not identical. There are five main types of differences between them. Extra Words Graphical/Basic Letter Differences Diacritical Differences Vowel Differences Basmalah Difference Some Moslems argue that the differences between these Korans are only a matter of dialect, accent or pronunciation, and do not affect the meaning, however, this is clearly not the case. For example, where a word changes the SUBJECT of a sentence, that is clearly a significant change. So, stating "they said" cannot be said the mean the same as "he said". All these is important because of the claim by Moslems that the book has remained UNCHANGED, even to a dot, since it was revealed. This claim is wrong. All of the Islamic evidence shows there are different canonical versions of the Koran used around the world today. This may be hard for some Moslems to accept because they have been fed with the PROPAGANDA that there is only one Koran, however, this is the fault of Islamic leaders (and apologists like Empiree and Abdulgaffar22 on nairaland) who continue to exaggerate about the Koran as they attack the Bible |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 5:26pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
You can copy and paste trash as much as you want. Truth doesn't need to make noise to convince others. Truth manifested by statistics Only empty religion makes the loudest noise despite their propaganda. As you can see from a statistic Christianity is going down in Nigeria like nose diving aircraft.  And in Sha Allah CHRISTIANITY will continue to go down no matter what Kumuyi does. No matter what Adeboye does. No matter what Oyedepo does. No matter what TB Joshua does. No matter what all those fake miracle pastors do, CHRISTIANITY will forever go down. A false religion is bound to evaporate. There is no need to engage you in back to back debate. Let truth speaks for itself. Ododo ti de iro pamo. Truth has come... Falsehood vanished. 4 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 6:47pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
Empiree: Did you just copy and paste? Hope you've heard of the 'herd mentality'. That majority are following a way does not make it right, does it, Empiree? You should know better than that. Remember too that Mohamed said Islam will revert to how it started - i e. SHRINK. Don't tell me you are not aware of that. I agree with you your last statement. Jesus Christ said: "I will build my church and the gates of hades shall not prevail over it". Which of the two positions- Mohamed's or Jesus do you want to take? 1 Like |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by NPComplete: 7:31pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
 Empiree: So numbers is what make religion true abi? You mullahs are funny. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 8:00pm On Jul 24, 2019 |
sagenaija:Òdè it means Islam would be practice in a way that resembles the time of the prophet (SAW). Ólódó ni é. It is not talking about "shrinking" because we have another Hadith which says many would be Muslims by name or practice intermittently. Prophet's companion asked is it because we (Muslim) would be minority then?. Prophet Muhammad replied "no, you will be majority". Muslim population will be overwhelming 3 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 12:19am On Jul 25, 2019 |
Empiree:Show us the hadith if you're serious. 1 Like |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 12:32am On Jul 25, 2019 |
The Quran is a fraud. The Quran is not what it claims to be, instead its a bibliography, a compilation of ancient text and typologies from around the globe; the contents of which have been repackaged, sexed-up or simply outrightly fabricated. All Abrahamic text are fake, false and counterintuitive. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:34am On Jul 25, 2019 |
sagenaija: Thauban reported that the messenger of Allah said: "It is near that the nations will call one another against you just as the eaters call one another to their dishes." Somebody asked: "Is this because we will be few in numbers that day?" He said: "Nay, but that day you shall be numerous, but you will be like the foam of the sea, and Allah will take the fear of you away from your enemies and will place weakness into your hearts." Somebody asked: "What is this weakness?" He said: "The love of the world and the dislike of death." (Abu Daud) This Hadith teaches us important lesson. Look at bold is exactly what's happening. Every nation invades and attacks Muslim countries. They called us terrorists and steal resources. Look at the underlined says number of Muslims will continue to rise. Or what's the meaning of numerous?. Check your dictionary. You still think Prophet muhammad (SAW) is a false prophet after showing you this obvious prophecies?. Think again, sir. 1 Like |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:47am On Jul 25, 2019 |
Amujale: 5 Likes
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 9:24pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
All Abrahamic text are fake, false and counterintuitive. 1 Like 2 Shares |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 10:57pm On Jul 25, 2019 |
Amujale:there is only one version of Qur'an which is arabic Qur'an. Those different translated Qur'an are not versions but translations of the meaning of Qur'an. Those translated copies are not Qur'an. Op is only being a clown and jealous. 2 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by sagenaija: 10:47am On Jul 27, 2019 |
So, what is the Koran? Can't you see that you're getting yourself confused? The issue is that Islamic claim that it has remained UNCHANGED is a fat lie. Versions mean just what it states - variants. When I do my next post we'll see who the real clown is. Watch out! 2 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 8:11pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Empiree: All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counter intuitive. The Abrahamic text are silent weapons of mass destruction. The sooner continentals get rid of all the liars and fakers and make way for a better world. Abrahamic religious text have no real significamce towards real history Theres only one Abrahimic religious character that history books acknowledge that may have exist, he was said to be leader of a medieval rebel special force unit, yet, that proves that he is fake. The early Islamic scholars that invented their muhammedian movement, did so, in order to escape domination from Rome. There are no characters in Abrahamic text that can claim to be original; if they wasnt stolen, they was plagerised, sex-up or outrightly fabricated. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 8:34pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Amujale: 4 Likes
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| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Jay Smith and his minions have been exposed and embarrassed right there in public at Speakers Corner, U.K. His "Many Version" of the Qur'an Myth has been debunked even right before him publicly countless times by Mansur Ahmed at Speakers Corner debates years ago. You all should follow SCDawah Channel on YouTube (at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnZPtuya_yUUqGZGHk1nEOA) to see how his and his minions' missionary careers have been ruined by the Muslims The following are few of Jay and his minions' disgrace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJrbaBUjQc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUde_0wudQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQ9JBjX1bA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkzDbJivpBw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYBYRvnw-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mucazov8RfM 2 Likes |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 9:30pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
The West Asian narrative has no relevance to real history. A better way of putting it is that all Abrahamic religious text peddle fakery. Assuming one wants to learn about history, then its either one study courses relating to history or read books written by genuine historians. Abrahamic text does not contain real history. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Nobody: 9:52pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Amujale: You're wrong!! You're a racist!! You thrive on hate!! You thrive on division!! You're sad, bored and depressed!! 3 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 10:26pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
PresterrJohnn: Africans are the first people to arrive on planet earth. The West Asian narrative is false. A better way of putting it is that all Abrahamic religious text peddle fakery. Assuming one wants to learn about history, then its either one study courses relating to history or read books written by genuine historians. Abrahamic text does not contain real history. Its a massive charade. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
Amujale: I repeat. "You're wrong!! You're a racist!! You thrive on hate!! You thrive on division!! You're sad, bored and depressed!! " 1 Like |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Amujale(m): 11:52pm On Jul 29, 2019 |
The truth is that its a con job invented by first century Roman aristocrats and highly educated ancient Arabian scholars trying to get us to believe in ficticious characters from inside their chosen and personal bibliographies. All those Abrahamic religious text are not what they claims to be, instead they are bibliographies, a compilation of various stories and typologies from accross the globe, the contents which have been re-packaged, sex-ed up or outrightly fabricated. |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Nobody: 12:26am On Jul 30, 2019 |
Amujale: Again, "You're wrong!! You're a racist!! You thrive on hate!! You thrive on division!! You're sad, bored and depressed!! " 1 Like |
| Re: Why So Many Versions Of The Quran - Quranic Corrections by Empiree: 1:47am On Jul 30, 2019 |
sagenaija:Come carry your load na.
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