sage:

You obviously dont know anything about haplogroups or genetics. They are population specific and the haplogroup of all Africans including white North Africans is similar to each other and indiginous to Africa but different from Europeans, Asians, Australasians etc and has nothing to do with interbreeding.

I see I am actually wasting my time though with somebody who does not know what he is talking about.

Adios

you best go to bed sire cuz it is obvious that you are the one who does not know what they are talking about. haplogroups are a product of enviromental conditioning and as such it is downright preposterous to even try to use it to apportion different groups of people to assigned places. it is possible for say a village of australian aborigine and a village of japanese to belong to the same haplogroup and as such trying to make an argument based on this shows the depth (or lack of) of your knowledge

sage:

But you cant do that if you want to engage in a factual discussion unless we just want to just waste our time engaging in fantasy and delusions. If we are going to tell the story of a place like North Africa we need to stick with facts.

The genetic markers of Europeans and Asians are NOT indiginous to the African continent.

White Berbers on the other hand are. Stop trying to suggest that white Berbers being indiginous to Africa is similar to Chinese or Europeans because it is factually incorrect

It is more correct to say that white Berbers are indiginous as Igbos or Yorubas are

Im tired of repeating myself so il just stop

Sorry, but this is not true.
Do you know about the international HAPMAP project?
A project about the genes of humans around the world in which
the university of Ibadan is a part of it?
99,9% of our genes we all have in common. Africans, Europeans, Asians, Americans, Australians, simply everybody on this earth and the remaining 0,1% are different because of climate, environment  and thereof resultant different living conditions.
And when we think of the fact that the cradle of Humankind lies in Africa what else should we expect?

☻ajali☺:


Sorry, but this is not true.
Do you know about the international HAPMAP project?
A project about the genes of humans around the world in which
the university of Ibadan is a part of it?
99,9% of our genes we all have in common. Africans, Europeans, Asians, Americans, Australians, simply everybody on this earth and the remaining 0,1% are different because of climate, environment  and thereof resultant different living conditions.
And when we think of the fact that the cradle of Humankind lies in Africa what else should we expect?

What I said is 100% current.

Humans are related 99.9% but in relation to this topic that is not relevant. Ive studiied the Human Genome project and other genetic projects extensively

This issue is about Berbers and I was pointing out the fact that they are the indiginous people of North Africa. I was clearly dispeling a lie propagated by some people

Lets stick to the topic at hand

One other thing genetic projects have done is to completely destroy the idea that "race" exists

There could be bigger differences between two people of a so called "race" that between two people of different "races"

If you have paid attention to recent genetic projects you would understand that their is actually no such thing like a "black" race and terms like "black" "white" etc are just ambigous trash we should not even be paying attention to

☻ajali☺:


Sorry, but this is not true.
Do you know about the international HAPMAP project?
A project about the genes of humans around the world in which
the university of Ibadan is a part of it?
99,9% of our genes we all have in common. Africans, Europeans, Asians, Americans, Australians, simply everybody on this earth and the remaining 0,1% are different because of climate, environment  and thereof resultant different living conditions.
And when we think of the fact that the cradle of Humankind lies in Africa what else should we expect?

that guy, sage, is confused. he is full of hot air  just here yarning rubbish all day long  thanks ajali for exposing this grandioesing pseudo-geneticist

buzugee:

that guy, sage, is confused. he is full of hot air just here yarning rubbish all day long thanks ajali for exposing this grandioesing pseudo-geneticist

Nah dude you just got exposed and you are full of hot air.

You had no idea that there is no such thing like a "black" person genetically and talking nonsense about how Africa is for "black" people

If you knew anything about genetics you wouldnt even type any single thing that you did.

Instead of spending your time reading trash some fraudstars invented like those phoney links by people who want to perpertuate a colour myth and falsehood, I advise you to spend your time studying facts like the Human Genome project, the recent genetic study measuring human genetic distances across humanity which Desmond Tutu was a part of that was concluded this year, the haplotype markers of different groups around the world etc

You stand to learn a whole lot and to not repeat the dumb things you wrote on this thread


and no I am no Geneticist. Highlighting facts to dispel colour based falsehood is just what I did

sage:

What I said is 100% current.

Humans are related 99.9% but in relation to this topic that is not relevant. Ive studiied the Human Genome project and other genetic projects extensively

This issue is about Berbers and I was pointing out the fact that they are the indiginous people of North Africa. I was clearly dispeling a lie propagated by some people

Lets stick to the topic at hand

lol see this sire backtracking faster than usain bolt can run

buzugee:

lol see this sire backtracking faster than usain bolt can run

Backtracking from what?

Berbers are African indigines. How can one backtrack from reality?

There is no alternative to reality and facts

sage:

Nah dude you just got exposed and you are full of hot air.

You had no idea that there is no such thing like a "black" person genetically and talking nonsense about how Africa is for "black" people

If you knew anything about genetics you wouldnt even type any single thing that you did.

Instead of spending your time reading trash some fraudstars invented like those phoney links by people who want to perpertuate a colour myth and falsehood, I advise you to spend your time studying facts like the Human Genome project, the recent genetic study measuring human genetic distances across humanity which Desmond Tutu was a part of that was concluded this year, the haplotype markers of different groups around the world etc

You stand to learn a whole lot and to not repeat the dumb things you wrote on this thread


and no I am no Geneticist. Highlighting facts to dispel colour based falsehood is just what I did

i am the one who got exposed ?

ok this is you

sage:

But you cant do that if you want to engage in a factual discussion unless we just want to just waste our time engaging in fantasy and delusions. If we are going to tell the story of a place like North Africa we need to stick with facts.

The genetic markers of Europeans and Asians are NOT indiginous to the African continent.

White Berbers on the other hand are. Stop trying to suggest that white Berbers being indiginous to Africa is similar to Chinese or Europeans because it is factually incorrect

It is more correct to say that white Berbers are indiginous as Igbos or Yorubas are

Im tired of repeating myself so il just stop

this is me

buzugee:

yeah its best you stop because you are confusing yourself. any specie that can inter-breed will have the same genetic markers. so the genetic markers of europeans, asians and berbers are definitely indigenous to africa. now their may be a variation in how the C G T A U is arranged due to the different mutations brought on by acclamitizing to the different conditions they encountered in their dispersed new locations, but they are still the same genetic markers. its like comparing suya to pepper soup to fried meat. they differ due to their altered state but they are all made from the same meat

 this is ajali  

☻ajali☺:


Sorry, but this is not true.
Do you know about the international HAPMAP project?
A project about the genes of humans around the world in which
the university of Ibadan is a part of it?
99,9% of our genes we all have in common. Africans, Europeans, Asians, Americans, Australians, simply everybody on this earth and the remaining 0,1% are different because of climate, environment  and thereof resultant different living conditions.
And when we think of the fact that the cradle of Humankind lies in Africa what else should we expect?

now tell me who got exposed as a fraud ?  

buzugee:

i am the one who got exposed ?

ok this is you
this is me  this is ajali   now tell me who got exposed as a fraud ? 

Contact me when you are able to grasp the concept of haplotypes and the PN 2 cluster into your head

The only person exposed here is a trash talker that was saying that Africa was "all black"

He didnt even realize that there is no such thing as a "black" person genetically speaking and that having white skin does not mean a person is not an Indiginous African

sage:

Contact me when you are able to grasp the concept of haplotypes and the PN 2 cluster into your head

The only person exposed here is a trash talker that was saying that Africa was "all black"

He didnt even realize that there is no such thing as a "black" person genetically speaking and that having white skin does not mean a person is not an Indiginous African

there you go trying to confuse yourself again with big words. baby steps.

sage:

Contact me when you are able to grasp the concept of haplotypes and the PN 2 cluster into your head

The only person exposed here is a trash talker that was saying that Africa was "all black"

He didnt even realize that there is no such thing as a "black" person genetically speaking and that having white skin does not mean a person is not an Indiginous African

now you are just trying to make yourself look pathetic by trying to play on words. give it up sire. you have been found out

lol@ Ochi you know what I meant, Iran Iraq w/e! LOL.

I am leaving this thread, o! It went from simple to idiotic!

Anyone who thinks the Non black Moors or the current inhabitants of North Africa are indigenous to that area, need to SLAP THEMSELVES, Sage that means you. Their descendants will tell you in a heart beat, the migrated via the Saudi Arabian peninsula to Africa. That is common sense.

White, Black, Asian are VERY real! Don't kid yourself with this "colorblind" crap. We can "kumbayah" when the facts are realized. White IS a race, Black IS a race and Asian or "Yellow" IS a race, those three have subgroups which we call mid.eastern, pacific islander and "hispanic" meaning those three are the product of two or all three. Race is real. Anthropologists can kiss my arse with that "one race" from monkies crap.

buzugee:

there you go trying to confuse yourself again with big words. baby steps. guy

when you have no idea what you are talking about blame the dictionary or blame your school or blame "big words"  

Mr "Africa was all black" and "Berbers are descendants of European slaves"


Anyway lets keep it civil though. Im not a fan of endless circular arguments which lead nowhere

MzDarkSkin:

lol@ Ochi you know what I meant, Iran Iraq w/e! LOL.

I am leaving this thread, o! It went from simple to idiotic!

Anyone who thinks the Non black Moors or the current inhabitants of North Africa are indigenous to that area, need to SLAP THEMSELVES, Sage that means you. Their descendants will tell you in a heart beat, the migrated via the Saudi Arabian peninsula to Africa. That is common sense.

White, Black, Asian are VERY real! Don't kid yourself with this "colorblind" crap. We can "kumbayah" when the facts are realized. White IS a race, Black IS a race and Asian or "Yellow" IS a race, those three have subgroups which we call mid.eastern, pacific islander and "hispanic" meaning those three are the product of two or all three. Race is real. Anthropologists can kiss my arse with that "one race" from monkies crap.

that sage is just a pseudo-intellectual. dont mind him o jare hun.

MzDarkSkin:

lol@ Ochi you know what I meant, Iran Iraq w/e! LOL.

I am leaving this thread, o! It went from simple to idiotic!

Anyone who thinks the Non black Moors or the current inhabitants of North Africa are indigenous to that area, need to SLAP THEMSELVES, Sage that means you. Their descendants will tell you in a heart beat, the migrated via the Saudi Arabian peninsula to Africa. That is common sense.

White, Black, Asian are VERY real! Don't kid yourself with this "colorblind" crap. We can "kumbayah" when the facts are realized. White IS a race, Black IS a race and Asian or "Yellow" IS a race, those three have subgroups which we call mid.eastern, pacific islander and "hispanic" meaning those three are the product of two or all three. Race is real. Anthropologists can kiss my arse with that "one race" from monkies crap.

There is no such thing like "race" but I guess in your world facts dont matter.

A "black" "race" does not exist. Stop living in lala land where "black" people are your "people"

You all should read this book,very powerful:

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sage:

when you have no idea what you are talking about blame the dictionary or blame your school or blame "big words"  

Mr "Africa was all black" and "Berbers are descendants of European slaves"


Anyway lets keep it civil though. Im not a fan of endless circular arguments which lead nowhere

what you need to do, sire, is to go back and re-read this thread because only then will you see that the stuff you regurgitated up there is an attempt by you to cloak your 'exposure'. take 'mediocrity' like a man dammit  

"White" is a race? "Black" is a race? "Yellow" is a "race"?

The ignorance on here is overwhelming

This is sad

chyz:

You all should read this book,very powerful:

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finna do that sire. good looking out

The word 'race' is bandied about loosely these days. . . .heck some English people claimed that the Scots were 'racially discriminating' against them.

oh yeah, 'race' is a man-made social construct.

buzugee:

what you need to do, sire, is to go back and re-read this thread because only then will you see that the stuff you regurgitated up there is an attempt by you to cloak your 'exposure'. take 'mediocrity' like a man dammit  

We are getting nowhere fast dude. Just give it up till you can grasp some simple concepts. Nothing we say here can change the FACT that North Africans are indiginous Africans neither would it make any difference in the larger scheme of things


I didnt get into this thread for personal insults and such is pointless. Do your own reserch if you wish or you can believe what you want

facts dont change

Kudos

buzugee:

finna do that sire. good looking out

Knowledge is power bro.

@MZDarkSKin

Berbers did not migrate from Saudi Arabia. Where did you get that from

we all are the same but let me break down how a man can evolve over thousands of years from a black man into a white man

1, gondwanaland splits
2, your side of it drifts into cold no-sun europe
3, no sun means no vitamin D
4,  no vitamin D means that your body cannot absorb phosphorus from food
5,  no phosphorus means your body cannot form phospholipids
6. no phospholipids means your lips get thinner and your butt gets smaller and your body gets less chubby and supple
7, cold air means that you need to conserve all the heat you have so your nose gets smaller in order to conserve heat
8,  no sun means your skin lightens and with time looses its ability to form melanin


but we are all the same. no such thing as race. just different variations of the same being

chyz:

Knowledge is power bro.

you know it

sage:



We are getting nowhere fast dude. Just give it up till you can grasp some simple concepts. Nothing we say here can change the FACT that North Africans are indiginous Africans neither would it make any difference in the larger scheme of things


I didnt get into this thread for personal insults and such is pointless. Do your own reserch if you wish or you can believe what you want

facts dont change

Kudos

yeah keep recycling the same tired rhetoric. what you need to do is get a job at a recycling plant cuz you got recycling skillz bro

@ buzugee

While ajali is correct in his assertion about the high level of similarity amongst the 'races', there are still distinguishing features that can be used to determine whether a group/population belong to the dominant migratory stock that the majority of the continent's dwellers came from.

While the migratory Arabs will trace their origins to Saudi and the middle east, these are not the same as Berbers and the distinct genetic markers will still be present to separate the two.

Take an analogue from South American countries - the European migrants can be genetically distinguished from the indigenous populations.

What should be distinguished is the differences in the global population (which is small) and differences between sub groups (e.g. Europeans and Africans) which is smaller, but nonetheless distinguishable.

PS - I'm no geneticist either.

debosky:

@ buzugee

While ajali is correct in his assertion about the high level of similarity amongst the 'races', there are still distinguishing features that can be used to determine whether a group/population belong to the dominant migratory stock that the majority of the continent's dwellers came from.

While the migratory Arabs will trace their origins to Saudi and the middle east, these are not the same as Berbers and the distinct genetic markers will still be present to separate the two.

Take an analogue from South American countries - the European migrants can be genetically distinguished from the indigenous populations.

What should be distinguished is the differences in the global population (which is small) and differences between sub groups (e.g. Europeans and Africans) which is smaller, but nonetheless distinguishable.

PS - I'm no geneticist either.

these similarities are all due to dietary and environmental reasons. if we all live in lagos, chances are we will suffer from the same level of sun, eat the same foods and be exposed to the same pollution. so people who co-habit together after a while tend to look like each other.

buzugee:

yeah keep recycling the same tired rhetoric. what you need to do is get a job at a recycling plant cuz you got recycling skillz bro

Keep recycling falsehood then


Im done with discussing this issue with you. Its pointless and would only deteriorate to personal insluts which I am not a fan of at all.

the way reasonable people discuss an issue is that rather than insulting each other or just posting peoples opinion, we could learn a lot from each other by asking for back up scientific studies to our points

Everybody involved would benefit because we would all learn new things

There is absolutely nothing to gain from two people insulting each other continously

and I am not inclined to do that

sage:

Keep recycling falsehood then


Im done with discussing this issue with you. Its pointless and would only deteriorate to personal insluts which I am not a fan of at all.

the way reasonable people discuss an issue is that rather than insulting each other or just posting peoples opinion, we could learn a lot from each other by asking for back up scientific studies to our points

Everybody involved would benefit because we would all learn new things

There is absolutely nothing to gain from two people insulting each other continously

and I am not inclined to do that

i hear ya. i dont believe i have insulted you though. just good old fashioned, good natured ribbing. and if you feel i have ? then i apologize