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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by globalresource: 8:04am On Mar 01, 2020
Commentor:
But wrong for Nigeria to release renounced Boko Haram suspects.

For many years, the USA told us the Taliban were a terrorist group.

Yet they've negotiated with terrorists today.

The fight in Afghanistan is not US war in the first place
There is no war on US soil. The two are different cases
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by imam07: 8:04am On Mar 01, 2020
Commentor:
But wrong for Nigeria to release renounced Boko Haram suspects.

For many years, the USA told us the Taliban were a terrorist group.

Yet they've negotiated with terrorists today.
U be fool by comparing Buhari actions on boko haram to the Trump plan. Are talibans living in the US? Is the agreement going to favour Trump or Afghanistan? Reason with your brain. Don't let ur stupid love u have for Buhari affects the way you reason.

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Neoteny(m): 8:04am On Mar 01, 2020
gaetano:


Never equate talibans to bokoharam, you can equate Boko Haram to isis.

The Talibans have been the ones in charge of govt ever since before the USA toppled their govt trying to force democracy down their throats and install a puppet. It was all about the oil game. The talibans are a legitimate people fighting for a just cause.

Once again bokoharam = isis, while Talibans = ND militants

But the Taliban is precisely like Boko Haram:

1. They were brutal and murderous to the Afghans who don't follow their strict islamist rules

2. They forbade western education (exactly what "boko haram" means), and have murdered school children and bombed schools

3. They instituted shari'a punishments, including stoning to death and flogging and cutting off limbs

4. They suppressed women

5. They terrorized the civilian population

6. They attack the Afghan military and police

7. They seize goods and properties of people

8. They harbored al qaeda

In fact the last point is the reason the US invaded Afghanistan, after they asked the Taliban to kick out osama and his merry band of terrorists.

The Taliban want to return to their "caliphate" and resume their terrible and terrorist ideology of islamist suppression.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by akanbiaa(m): 8:05am On Mar 01, 2020
Commentor:
But wrong for Nigeria to release renounced Boko Haram suspects.

For many years, the USA told us the Taliban were a terrorist group.

Yet they've negotiated with terrorists today.
Its either they were never terrorist only people fighting against invasion of their country or America was the real terrorist and are tired of the never ending guerilla warfare.

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by agaliboy: 8:07am On Mar 01, 2020
Even the biggest military power sef dey tire. The 18 year war don tire everybody. Nice way to end things. We hope the extreme elements within the Taliban don't start another round of violence.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by imam07: 8:07am On Mar 01, 2020
Gnaeusmagnus:


The problem is the Afghan war has been one long drain on US resources.

The US should not have gone into Afghanistan. Just maintain sanctions on the Taliban, while using the CIA to keep tabs on Usama, and then strike when he does not expect it...better.

Besides, the main causus belli...Osama, is dead. Trump was not a fan of US intervention in Afghanistan even as far back as 2002..
So u know the best plan than the US abi. You have knowledge thanyhe US govt. U sit down inside your room dictating wht the US ought to have done in place of invading afgan. Do u think is bread and butter thing?
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by timesup234: 8:10am On Mar 01, 2020
Openbusiness:

Get your facts right. The USA are not negotiating for peaceful withdrawal. Is the Taliban holding US forces there hostage? The USA negotiated for peace between Taliban and the democratically elected government they (USA) helped install after toppling the Taliban government. The Taliban wants US forces to leave, so they can take over again and they cannot take over if US troops remain. So they negotiated that US should withdraw forces on the condition they Taliban will not topple the current government through use of military force and allow for peace. And it favors them, because they know they can takeover by the next elections since Taliban is actually very popular among afghans due to their hardline religious stance. They are islamic religious extremists and fanatics and hardcore followers of Islam and its ways. So they will win by the next elections, and the other conditions is that they won't allow their country to becoming training and breeding grounds for terrorists when they get back power, which was the main reason they were toppled by USA forces and coalition troops. Afghanistan was the terrorists training ground and camp sites for many of the terrorists groups in the Middleeast, including Alqaeda that attacked the US and US interests across the world. So it is a win-win for both parties if they abide by it, and you can see Trump already said if the Taliban doesn't honor the agreement then they will be coming back with more powerful forces and turn Afghanistan to another dustbin war site like it has been for the past 18 years. I doubt if Taliban wants that to happen again. No other country in the world in modern times can do what the US did to Afghanistan, occupy another country and dictate their affairs for 18 years. And nobody or country could say jack, even Europe dey follow them for back with support like boy boy. Now they are withdrawing and withdrawing on their own terms. Forget, na real superpower USA be.
You be real mumu. Better he-goat

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by ogbonti: 8:10am On Mar 01, 2020
Sodiquinone:
18years of US war in Afghanistan ended in defeat,they have realized that extral years of war in Afghanistan cannot bring any solution to the issue,It will rather result in more humiliation. US thought because they are superpowers they can invade any country they want and win..lol..They did nt ask the Soviet Union what the Afghans did to them in the 80s.The only solution to afghan war is intra afghan dialogue.


not a defeat for the US but a victory for common sense. the Afghan war was just a means for the hawks and neo-cons to enrich their buddies - in the military industrial complex and contractors at lockheed martin. why do you think Trump fell out with John Bolton? that is why the deep state are after him - some powerful men in America want the US to be in endless conflicts and war because it means there will be billions of dollars lining their pockets each year- without war these powerful men can’t make money so think- this is why they are fighting Trump!!

it’s not about the US surrendering - it’s about cutting off the cash cow of these powerful individuals

osama was killed almost 9 years ago and he was the main reason Afghanistan was invaded so why is the US still there?

this war ending is 9 years overdue

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Neoteny(m): 8:11am On Mar 01, 2020
Sodiquinone:
18years of US war in Afghanistan ended in defeat,they have realized that extral years of war in Afghanistan cannot bring any solution to the issue,It will rather result in more humiliation. US thought because they are superpowers they can invade any country they want and win..lol..They did nt ask the Soviet Union what the Afghans did to them in the 80s.The only solution to afghan war is intra afghan dialogue.

I've said it somewhere that the last war the US played a part in winning was world war 2, since then it's been s string of losses.

But their propaganda machine would have people believe they're some cosmic superpower.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by timesup234: 8:12am On Mar 01, 2020
Malcolm123:



even with all dis your stories ...it still does not worth it ...losing over 2400 personnel...and don't forget most USA effective attack is through drone ....the soldiers on ground ar just in cage call Barack ....anytym dey move out someone must die among Dem...just lyk wat happen last week.....a Afghan police dey ar training killed 3 soldiers...nothing happen

imagine the sorrow the family of d slain soldiers will be facing now ...useless war .... Taliban still end up taking back d country
US. didn't lose 2400 soldiers. That's western lies to minimize the damage done to them. Over 30,000 american soldiers were slaughtered like maggots in the war. Only the brainwashed believe US. casualties figures

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by imam07: 8:13am On Mar 01, 2020
BruncleZuma:
So what was the achievement after 18 years of death and destruction?
Don't u have Trump phone number to ask him.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by od501: 8:13am On Mar 01, 2020
Baba read the article again. The Talibans have always asked for it. Again, the statement said "we will come back like never before if things go bad again "
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Openbusiness: 8:14am On Mar 01, 2020
Malcolm123:



even with all dis your stories ...it still does not worth it ...losing over 2400 personnel...and don't forget most USA effective attack is through drone ....the soldiers on ground ar just in cage call Barack ....anytym dey move out someone must die among Dem...just lyk wat happen last week.....a Afghan police dey ar training killed 3 soldiers...nothing happen

imagine the sorrow the family of d slain soldiers will be facing now ...useless war .... Taliban still end up taking back d country
Losing 2400 soldiers in 18 years = 134 soldiers (approx) per year = 11 soldiers per month. That is still a very good statistics military wise fighting on enemy soil, and enemy territory. And considering that the Taliban has suffered heavier casualties on their side, probably over a hundred thousand but trust the western governments to downplay the figures. How many Nigerian soldiers has bokoharam killed in Nigeria (their own country and territory) in the past one year? Going by all the news on the media etc, it is definitely more that 2400, being slaughtered back to back in their own backyard. Yet you are worried about the US military losses, no please, worry about Nigerian troops and may God help them and save them from the incompetent government directing their affairs.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Nobody: 8:15am On Mar 01, 2020
imam07:
So u know the best plan than the US abi. You have knowledge thanyhe US govt. U sit down inside your room dictating wht the US ought to have done in place of invading afgan. Do u think is bread and butter thing?

Hindsight is always 20/20

The truth is, from past experience, countries fighting insurgency like the US did in foreign lands either fight a total war of genocidal destruction, or end up negotiating and withdrawing

1.US went to Vietnam...in 1956...and in 1973...withdrew with a peace deal that in essence handed the country to the enemies they were fighting.

2.UK fought a war with Kenyan revolutioaries from 1953-60..they 'won',...and then granted Kenya independence by 1962...which meant the fighting was in vain...

3.France successfully beat the FLN in 1958...and then granted independence in 1962..and handed over...to the same FLN.

4.Russia fought in the same Afghanistan from 1979-89...and then left their weak puppet government to be beaten by the same Muhajjiden they were fighting (the Taliban were part of that Muhajjideen then).

5.The UK fought two wasted wars in that same Afghanistan in the 19th century. and ended up leaving the Afghnas alone.

So, IMHO...the US had no business in Afghanistan. At the end of the day, Afghanistan is not called 'the graveyard of empries' for nothing.They should have learned from the Russians and the UK, and their own past mistakes in Vietnam.

(And no, I don't back or excuse the Taliban, or Al Qaeda.)

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Neoteny(m): 8:15am On Mar 01, 2020
Sheriman:
Taliban is not a Terrorist Organization.. it just a military political movement against Afghanistan Government

Really?

Weren't they the government before the US invaded them in 2001?

Don't they practice the same excesses and brutality in suppressing human rights and women, and banning democracy and education at the pain of death?

Weren't they running a repressive society that promoted archaic laws such as stoning to death, public execution for adultery, killing students, etc?

Didn't they host Osama and Al Aqaeda, who planned and executed 9-11 from Afghanistan, and that was why they were invaded?

The Taliban is the very definition of a terrorist organization and the US considers them as such.

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by onwanaholland: 8:15am On Mar 01, 2020
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itsme01:


nothing disgracing in calling Ipob what they are no fvcks given .. the more Ibos paint them self as anti Yoruba or talk trash about Yoruba and muslim, then this stereotyping just begun
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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by gaetano: 8:17am On Mar 01, 2020
Neoteny:


But the Taliban is precisely like Boko Haram:

1. They were brutal and murderous to the Afghans who don't follow their strict islamist rules

2. They forbade western education (exactly what "boko haram" means), and have murdered school children and bombed schools

3. They instituted shari'a punishments, including stoning to death and flogging and cutting off limbs

4. They suppressed women

5. They terrorized the civilian population

6. They attack the Afghan military and police

7. They seize goods and properties of people

8. They harbored al qaeda

In fact the last point is the reason the US invaded Afghanistan, after they asked the Taliban to kick out osama and his merry band of terrorists.

The Taliban want to return to their "caliphate" and resume their terrible and terrorist ideology of islamist suppression.



Look there's no difference between them and Northern Nigeria. We know how the North operates so we let them be, if they want sharia, they should restrict it to their territory and not on all Nigerians. This is same with most Muslim countries so the world should let them be. After all UAE and Saudi have embraced change now. So it's best not to interfere.

As for AL qaeda, it's USA created and trained, headed by Osama. Osama was working for the CIA then later went rogue, that's when the terrorists tag came. So USA created alqaeda.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:17am On Mar 01, 2020
itsme01:
grin


we don't negotiate with terrorist yen yen yen!!!, we can crush any country yen yen yen!!!!
18 years later 2,400 US troops dead after bombs and many bombs then they call for truce

Americans are masters in using media propaganda and religion as a weapon to fool idiots, now US is frolicking with Saudi the sunnis, and Talibans calling them all sort of beautiful names, while dumb Africans take side over middle eastern religion

Buhari better call shekau of boko haram, and reach a deal with him permanently handing over sambisa forest to him to form his own country while Chibok, Dapchi and other poor comuinities be relocated inwards away from the desertified areas, its not like we benefit one kobo from does areas

As rich as US is the, debt they have acquired fighting wars their Generations to come would pay, now if Nigeria begins to use the annual $2 billion usd defense budget to give graduates and jobless people start up loans without intrest, in no time Nigeria would grow, instead of using it to buy weapons to blow iswap

.
Does the bolded make sense to you? Why don't you just support Biafra then if you think breaking up Nigeria for shekau is not a bad idea. Or is it because Nnamdi Kanu and his boys have not been blowing stuff up?
I hope with that misstatement you can agree that there's a fundamental difference between what US did and what it will mean if Nigeria were to do same with BH
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by NairaMaster1(m): 8:17am On Mar 01, 2020
Rebelutionary:
The US mouth one thing and right before our very eyes they do the opposite!

America does not negotiate with terrorists abi?

It depends on how you understand th word negotiations.

Did you read anything like repentant Taliban?

But you read where Trump said " if anything bad thing happens again they will see force like no other one.

Since 2001 did you read or hear the US treats them with Kids gloves?

Don't compare our attitudes towards Boko Haram with the US.

Support Buhari and APC but look at Boko Haram as your forever enemies.

Mark my words today, Boko Haram will never finish with the type of attitudes we are showing.

Have you ever hard Afghan sending repentant Taliban to school abroad? By so doing you are inviting the youths to go and join, afterall, their life will be better off.

The difference is that, Buhari sees it as helping the Northern youths.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Nobody: 8:18am On Mar 01, 2020
asamaigho:


ussr decided to leave afghanistan because the war is not worth the cost, not because of any other thing, same was with usa and vietnam.

Use the right word defeated

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Openbusiness: 8:21am On Mar 01, 2020
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itsme01:


I wonder if some of you people connect your brains to your hands while typing or you just type trash

only a very useless fool would say richest countries are the strongest in military might.. having large economy hardly means you are rich, case study Nigeria

you speak of governance in northeast as if before your slave masters and colonialist arrived, kanuris don't have any leadership and they wonder about like cave men,

some of you are badly brainwashed, Taliban is just like Boko haram, they force sharia, oppress women, kill without trail, blow up places and lots more, atleast Iran Quds forces also faced similar situation when they chased Americans out, but not once did they degenerate to Taliban style barbarism

for your information this are the richest countries (GDP Per Capital)

1 Qatar 132,886
— Macau 114,363
2 Luxembourg 108,951
3 Singapore 103,181
4 Ireland 83,399
5 Brunei 80,384
6 Norway 76,684
7 United Arab Emirates 69,435
— Hong Kong 66,528
8 Kuwait 66,387
9 Switzerland 66,196
10 United States 65,112

Now I ask you in simple terms what has being Yobe , Brono, and Adamawa's contributions to National treasury, what is their state IGR , what is the amount of tax they pay to FG and VATs they pay, is the figure you get reasonable enough for Nigeria to spend $2billion annually for defense budget largely because of them?[/s]
Abeg just change your monicker from itsme to itsmumu cheesy gawwddd, end of story, I only like to discuss with intelligent people. Shift one side abeg, let intelligent mentions come in.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:23am On Mar 01, 2020
Commentor:
But wrong for Nigeria to release renounced Boko Haram suspects.

For many years, the USA told us the Taliban were a terrorist group.

Yet they've negotiated with terrorists today.
Just state it clearly that you support the implementation of sharia throughout Nigeria. You don't need to hide under US. We know most of you buharideens are closet supporters of shekau.
There's no need lamenting on his behalf, or drumming up support for efforts to normalise him as an everyday thing either. He's richer and well recognised more than you by this govt. So off with the mask!! Let's see your real face.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by itsme01: 8:25am On Mar 01, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

Does the bolded make sense to you? Why don't you just support Biafra then if you think breaking up Nigeria for shekau is not a bad idea. Or is it because Nnamdi Kanu and his boys have not been blowing stuff up?
I hope with that misstatement you can agree that there's a fundamental difference between what US did and what it will mean if Nigeria were to do same with BH

No one is stopping Ipob from becoming a republic, what we are telling them is to get their senators and reps to negotiate the deal, rather than constituiting nuisance all around cyber space..

the deal for Bokoharam, sambisa is a virgin land outside our territory just like bakassi and quite frankly nobody gives two fvccks about sambisa.. unlike Biafra which is within current Nigerian territory with Nigerian assets currently in the zone, so dialogue and negotiation is needed for biafraexit and not noise , chestbeating, podcast and broadcast insulting Yoruba and Fulani, or kanu sayin yorubas are working with facebook to undermine his Biafra, when in fact we are busy with our own amotekun

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Commentor: 8:25am On Mar 01, 2020
Agboriotejoye:

Just state it clearly that you support the implementation of sharia throughout Nigeria. You don't need to hide under US. We know most of you buharideens are closet supporters of shekau.
There's no need lamenting on his behalf, or drumming up support for efforts to normalise him as an everyday thing either. He's richer and well recognised more than you by this govt. So off with the mask!! Let's see your real face.

Anything America does is correct but when your country does it, it is wrong.

Who is then is the Zombie?

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Abagworo(m): 8:25am On Mar 01, 2020
Nothing is better than peace. Fighting terrorism cannot easily be won through the barrel of the gun.
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by itsme01: 8:26am On Mar 01, 2020
Openbusiness:
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Abeg just change your monicker from itsme to itsmumu cheesy gawwddd, end of story, I only like to discuss with intelligent people. Shift one side abeg, let intelligent mentions come in.

as usual empty trash of a response.. enjoy the education you got today kid... it was my pleasure educating the less privileged

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Laurene: 8:28am On Mar 01, 2020
pacespot:
Taliban's reigns in Afghanistan begins, the current president is just a lame duck, though the country will enjoy relative peace from now on. This should serve as a warning that it is not every country that can imbibe Western ideology.
you don't have sense, was the war about western ideology?
Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Agboriotejoye(m): 8:31am On Mar 01, 2020
Commentor:


Anything America does is correct but when your country does it, it is wrong.

Who is then is the Zombie?

The zombie is the one that compares a terrorist on his own soil to an insurgent in another land all in a bid to canonise the terrorists.

Assuming that US does negotiate with terrorists, does that mean we should too? Especially on our own land? Where then is our sense of national pride and patriotism if a group that seeks to change our system of governance by violence is embraced? What is the difference between that and treason?

Shekau is a Nigerian, fighting a religious war to change the constitution of Nigeria. His victims are also Nigerians. Let that sink into your head.

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Re: US Signs Peace Deal With Afghanistan's Taliban After 18 Years Of War by Openbusiness: 8:32am On Mar 01, 2020
itsme01:


as usual empty trash of a response.. enjoy the education you got today kid... it was my pleasure educating the less privileged
The less privileged you can educate are those as dumb as you cheesy

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