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Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 1:23pm On Mar 08, 2013
optimus-prime1:

All I am saying is that him being;

1-A Student
2-Single
3-23yr old (Sponsored by his Daddy)
4-Unemployed
5-Going to the US 4 Casual Holidays
will MOST likely gonna get a Standard issue Denial.
Basically, thats where T.B Joshua comes in...
That Visa payment receipt has a login Validity period of almost a year, I would suggest he cancels his appointment and go repackage himself properly to face American CO's, because he is obviously not prepared with his present profile & he better find another significant reason of Visiting the US, instead of Holidays.

Right on point....!
Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 1:49pm On Mar 08, 2013
mysoopafly: Hello nairalanders, justwise, at all,

Thank you guys for your helps so far. Please I pray you guys to advice me on this cos I really need your candid advice.

I want to apply for usa visit visa, I work with a pharmaceutical company here in lagos, earns 220k per month, am single and have a minimun balance of 1.2m in my account. Have a parcel of land outside lagos. Have a friend in the usa who is willing to send invitation letter to me. To spend 2 weeks with him during my stay in his resident but refuses to send his documents except inv and maybe copy of passport page. That I will provide the necessary documents I required to secure the visa. Have not travelled outside nigeria. Pls I need your candid advice on this. Am over 32 yrs of age and am engaged.


To be candid with you, earning 220k or less is not the problem at the Embassy. Your greatest asset is how you can present your case before the CO.

Your lack of travel experience may count against you at the interview stage due to your travel reasons being for ''holidays''.

However, you can improve your chance of securing the visa if you can change your travel reasons as going for ''conference''.

The reason is that i believe you're in the medical line and a conference on medical related issues, won't raise too much red flag for a first time traveller such as yourself.

Above all, divine favour and composure on your part during interview is the ultimate thing.....
Re: Usa Visit Visa by optimusprime2(m): 2:48pm On Mar 08, 2013
mysoopafly: Hello nairalanders, justwise, at all,

Thank you guys for your helps so far. Please I pray you guys to advice me on this cos I really need your candid advice.

I want to apply for usa visit visa, I work with a pharmaceutical company here in lagos, earns 220k per month, am single and have a minimun balance of 1.2m in my account. Have a parcel of land outside lagos. Have a friend in the usa who is willing to send invitation letter to me. To spend 2 weeks with him during my stay in his resident but refuses to send his documents except inv and maybe copy of passport page. That I will provide the necessary documents I required to secure the visa. Have not travelled outside nigeria. Pls I need your candid advice on this. Am over 32 yrs of age and am engaged.
Mysoopafly,
your case sounds stable, but to totally cancel out Eyebrow twitches, I recommend you travel to @least one or two countries(with your profile you could easily get a Schengen/EU Visa if you applied), before applying for that US Visa, why? Take note;
1-Since you are single, the fact you travelled outside Nigeria and returned, will justify your claim Of not trying to Immigrate.
The US assumes every Non immigrant Visa applicant are potential Immigrants, and that assumption is of higher priority on Single Applicants. So having travelling His3 is a real + if you are Single.
2-Mostly the Burden of trying to convince the CO you are'nt an Intending Immigrant rests on YOU not supporting Documents. That is why Visit reasons to the US by Young Single people, should be of crucial relevance, that way its easier to convince CO's- I also Suggest you look for a Conference/Workshop thats related to your discipline and apply for it.
Then again try to compose yourself during the interview and animate a lil of your plain circumstances... Eg You are Engaged, "have to be married before Bleep" because... You Scored!
You know, Animate blank spots, that depends on your attitude sha so try not to be stiff- Crack a joke if you can.
Dont rush to apply, plan your trip before you do.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 5:11pm On Mar 08, 2013
Took me a long time to finally post this but glad i have the courage to do so now. here is my story:

back in 2006, a friend of mine, who was down with Cancer (white guy) invited me to visit in WV. i was naive and all. i filled the form with the help of one man and took the invitation letter to the embassy in Lagos. on getting there, i was standing before the VO and she asked my name, i told her, she looked at my form and incidentally, the space for occupation was no filled. i was a student. she asked me if i was a student i said yes and she asked why i didn't fill that info. i said sorry. at this point she was furiously typing in the system and when she was done, she stamped my passport and said sorry you don't qualify. passed me a document and said it would explain to me why i was denied. and that was it.

i have not applied since then. i got a visa to go to brunei back in 2010 but didn't go because my boss was out of work and i had to cover for him and my visa expired.

2011, i lost my passport, though i still have the soft copies (old passport and the E-passport)and my visa for Brunei.

Now i want to reapply but i can't remember what information the guy filled in the former form. i am thinking of sending a letter ahead to explain the situation to them before i reapply. don't know what to expect. i got a new passport in december, i work in oil and gas sector (work directly with Oando though i am not a direct employee of Oando). i head a dept and pay is good.

what do you think i should do please.

FYI: NO TRAVEL HISTORY, I HAVE A DAUGHTER, NOT MARRIED BECAUSE I LOST THE LADY DURING CHILD BIRTH OF MY BABY.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by mysoopafly: 5:44pm On Mar 08, 2013
optimus-prime1:

Mysoopafly,
your case sounds stable, but to totally cancel out Eyebrow twitches, I recommend you travel to @least one or two countries(with your profile you could easily get a Schengen/EU Visa if you applied), before applying for that US Visa, why? Take note;
1-Since you are single, the fact you travelled outside Nigeria and returned, will justify your claim Of not trying to Immigrate.
The US assumes every Non immigrant Visa applicant are potential Immigrants, and that assumption is of higher priority on Single Applicants. So having travelling His3 is a real + if you are Single.
2-Mostly the Burden of trying to convince the CO you are'nt an Intending Immigrant rests on YOU not supporting Documents. That is why Visit reasons to the US by Young Single people, should be of crucial relevance, that way its easier to convince CO's- I also Suggest you look for a Conference/Workshop thats related to your discipline and apply for it.
Then again try to compose yourself during the interview and animate a lil of your plain circumstances... Eg You are Engaged, "have to be married before Bleep" because... You Scored!
You know, Animate blank spots, that depends on your attitude sha so try not to be stiff- Crack a joke if you can.
Dont rush to apply, plan your trip before you do.

Thanks bros, you are advise is welcome. Please I wish to ask if to stop requesting for the invitation letter from the guy and seek for conference letter? Am not in a hurry to apply,apart from this avenue is there anyother avenue that will be better than this? Thanks
Re: Usa Visit Visa by optimusprime2(m): 7:16pm On Mar 08, 2013
mysoopafly:

Thanks bros, you are advise is welcome. Please I wish to ask if to stop requesting for the invitation letter from the guy and seek for conference letter? Am not in a hurry to apply,apart from this avenue is there anyother avenue that will be better than this? Thanks
You May tell the person not to bother about the I.V if it would'nt stain a shirt, but that should'nt stop you from Registering for a Conference which is relevant to your Feild.
However My main emphasis is for you to "upgrade your travel history" go to other countries 1st.
Then apply for the US VISA, my Brother theres no way you would'nt be given, provided you dont fumble with words at your interview.
There are other Avenues too like,
1-going to school
2-going for medical treatment(you need a lot of Ca$h for this one sha, your acct should basically run in cool Millions, and your Hospital should back you up as a patient seeking med attention)
3-DV-lottery
4-Business meeting
but I advise you just go for a Conference its easier and it'd suit your profile.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by steptaiwo: 7:29pm On Mar 08, 2013
Thanks for the advice but any will see the VO whatever I have learnt from this already. Applying for Germany.
Thanks once again
optimus-prime1:

Dude Mathematically, your Chances of getting it are 1 out of 500,000... meaning Very, Very
Slim.
You have like so many red flags yelling; **RED ALERT** NAIJA BOY WAN RABBIT!
if you must travel out for easter Hols, I advice you Visit Europe, Asia or anywhere but the US, at least you'll have (other VISA's) travel experience to your Passport, until your "student" situation Changes.
I'm speaking out of EXPERIENCE.
If you have to travel to the US, The reasons must be of Crucial significance (Medical ER, Funeral, Govt aide/escort etc)not for casual Holidays- unless God intervene's in your case, I promise, them C.O's will bounce you going for Holidays...
Look N Learn Son.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 8:55pm On Mar 08, 2013
Took me a long time to finally post this but glad i have the courage to do so now. here is my story:

back in 2006, a friend of mine, who was down with Cancer (white guy) invited me to visit in WV. i was naive and all. i filled the form with the help of one man and took the invitation letter to the embassy in Lagos. on getting there, i was standing before the VO and she asked my name, i told her, she looked at my form and incidentally, the space for occupation was no filled. i was a student. she asked me if i was a student i said yes and she asked why i didn't fill that info. i said sorry. at this point she was furiously typing in the system and when she was done, she stamped my passport and said sorry you don't qualify. passed me a document and said it would explain to me why i was denied. and that was it.

i have not applied since then. i got a visa to go to brunei back in 2010 but didn't go because my boss was out of work and i had to cover for him and my visa expired.

2011, i lost my passport, though i still have the soft copies (old passport and the E-passport)and my visa for Brunei.

Now i want to reapply but i can't remember what information the guy filled in the former form. i am thinking of sending a letter ahead to explain the situation to them before i reapply. don't know what to expect. i got a new passport in december, i work in oil and gas sector (work directly with Oando though i am not a direct employee of Oando). i head a dept and pay is good.

what do you think i should do please.

FYI: NO TRAVEL HISTORY, I HAVE A DAUGHTER, NOT MARRIED BECAUSE I LOST THE LADY DURING CHILD BIRTH OF MY BABY
Re: Usa Visit Visa by ighojohn: 11:33pm On Mar 08, 2013
sndrmrtns:

what is your travel history?


this will my very first time to travel
Re: Usa Visit Visa by ighojohn: 11:47pm On Mar 08, 2013
sndrmrtns:

what is your travel history?


this will be my very first time to travel
Re: Usa Visit Visa by martina7: 5:14am On Mar 09, 2013
I used for a 2weeks check out charge to US. Purpose for the check out is to be present at a cousin's marriage and i have the marriage IV. I used my sis who is a lasting US lawful citizen as my attract and i mentioned that i will be remaining with her during my check out.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by sndrmrtns: 7:39am On Mar 09, 2013
ighojohn:


this will be my very first time to travel

You have very slim chance of getting the Visa but God favor change story sometimes
Re: Usa Visit Visa by phatrat: 11:46pm On Mar 09, 2013
I've known this lady 4 like 3yearz now and shes inviting me to the US to visit her. currently am in the university and i have my own company registered ,and i have my own personal business + am getting married by september, am 22yearz old. what are my chances of being granted a visa??thanks
Re: Usa Visit Visa by MrWally: 7:12am On Mar 10, 2013
Hi Folks,

You guys are surely doing a great job here. I am here to seek advise too and learn from everyone . Please find below my story.

I came into the USA in 2010 for graduate school. I never fell out of status since then and will be graduating sometimes in June with my MS. Within these years, I obtained my green card recently and now planning to invite my parents and siblings for my graduation. I will write a brief story and travel experiences everyone of them has so that you guys can advise accordingly.

My father: Travelled to the UK 6 times in the past (between 2007-2009). Once came to the US on Visiting Visa (single entry) for a conference - he actually spent 5days and came back home. Travelled to South Africa, Togo, Egypt and for the Holy pilgrimage. Job history: He had held several political posts in the past and now into business (real estate, hoteling and a registered engineering company).

My mother: She is a public servant and a director of one of the state house of assemblies in Nigeria and have been working with the state government for the past 26 years. She only travelled out of the country once when she went for the holy pilgrimage.

My sister: Single, a barrister, works with the Federal Ministry of Justice (<2years). Has no travelling history.

My 2 brothers: One is in 4th year medical school while the last child is in high school. No travel history.

My parents have no problem sponsoring the trip and have a good account balance/transaction history. They also have CAC certificate for the hotel and engineering firm, several land properties, stocks and shares to also show. I understand I have to provide my transcripts from my school and invitation letter also as part of the documentations. What else do you guys think will boost their chances. Do you think my siblings stand a chance? Can they give my parents and deny my siblings? because they don't have a travel history?

All suggestions and advse will be greatly appreciated.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 8:15am On Mar 10, 2013
Mr. Wally:
Hi Folks,

You guys are surely doing a great job here. I am here to seek advise too and learn from everyone . Please find below my story.

I came into the USA in 2010 for graduate school. I never fell out of status since then and will be graduating sometimes in June with my MS. Within these years, I obtained my green card recently and now planning to invite my parents and siblings for my graduation. I will write a brief story and travel experiences everyone of them has so that you guys can advise accordingly.

My father: Travelled to the UK 6 times in the past (between 2007-2009). Once came to the US on Visiting Visa (single entry) for a conference - he actually spent 5days and came back home. Travelled to South Africa, Togo, Egypt and for the Holy pilgrimage. Job history: He had held several political posts in the past and now into business (real estate, hoteling and a registered engineering company).

My mother: She is a public servant and a director of one of the state house of assemblies in Nigeria and have been working with the state government for the past 26 years. She only travelled out of the country once when she went for the holy pilgrimage.

My sister: Single, a barrister, works with the Federal Ministry of Justice (<2years). Has no travelling history.

My 2 brothers: One is in 4th year medical school while the last child is in high school. No travel history.

My parents have no problem sponsoring the trip and have a good account balance/transaction history. They also have CAC certificate for the hotel and engineering firm, several land properties, stocks and shares to also show. I understand I have to provide my transcripts from my school and invitation letter also as part of the documentations. What else do you guys think will boost their chances. Do you think my siblings stand a chance? Can they give my parents and deny my siblings? because they don't have a travel history?

All suggestions and advse will be greatly appreciated.


The US CO(s) are sets of unpredictable personalities and what may work for person ''A'', may be lacking in person ''B''.

Your father and mother are most likely to secure the visas, they are your parents and by legal rights have all it takes to visit you at your graduation. They have trained you well and contributed to your success.

Your sister has a 30/70 percent chance of getting the visa. She is single, no social tie of her own and very young i suppose. The CO may assume she could easily leave her current job and seek greener pastures in the States. Remember you're a PR holder and they could believe you would aid her in this. Not to mention she is a legal professional which is a ripe profession to remain in the States for.

Your brothers have a very slim chance of getting the visa. They can as well remain in Nigeria and serve as a tie back home for your parents.

However, you can invite your parents and your sister and remember to bring family photographs of all of you. She could be lucky.

Meanwhile, congratulations on your academic victory. All the best......
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 8:18am On Mar 10, 2013
So no one is seeing my post.

I will still post it again
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 8:19am On Mar 10, 2013
Took me a long time to finally post this but glad i have the courage to do so now. here is my story:

back in 2006, a friend of mine, who was down with Cancer (white guy) invited me to visit in WV. i was naive and all. i filled the form with the help of one man and took the invitation letter to the embassy in Lagos. on getting there, i was standing before the VO and she asked my name, i told her, she looked at my form and incidentally, the space for occupation was no filled. i was a student. she asked me if i was a student i said yes and she asked why i didn't fill that info. i said sorry. at this point she was furiously typing in the system and when she was done, she stamped my passport and said sorry you don't qualify. passed me a document and said it would explain to me why i was denied. and that was it.

i have not applied since then. i got a visa to go to brunei back in 2010 but didn't go because my boss was out of work and i had to cover for him and my visa expired.

2011, i lost my passport, though i still have the soft copies (old passport and the E-passport)and my visa for Brunei.

Now i want to reapply but i can't remember what information the guy filled in the former form. i am thinking of sending a letter ahead to explain the situation to them before i reapply. don't know what to expect. i got a new passport in december, i work in oil and gas sector (work directly with Oando though i am not a direct employee of Oando). i head a dept and pay is good.

what do you think i should do please.

FYI: NO TRAVEL HISTORY, I HAVE A DAUGHTER, NOT MARRIED BECAUSE I LOST THE LADY DURING CHILD BIRTH OF MY BABY
Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 8:37am On Mar 10, 2013
israel007: Took me a long time to finally post this but glad i have the courage to do so now. here is my story:

back in 2006, a friend of mine, who was down with Cancer (white guy) invited me to visit in WV. i was naive and all. i filled the form with the help of one man and took the invitation letter to the embassy in Lagos. on getting there, i was standing before the VO and she asked my name, i told her, she looked at my form and incidentally, the space for occupation was no filled. i was a student. she asked me if i was a student i said yes and she asked why i didn't fill that info. i said sorry. at this point she was furiously typing in the system and when she was done, she stamped my passport and said sorry you don't qualify. passed me a document and said it would explain to me why i was denied. and that was it.

i have not applied since then. i got a visa to go to brunei back in 2010 but didn't go because my boss was out of work and i had to cover for him and my visa expired.

2011, i lost my passport, though i still have the soft copies (old passport and the E-passport)and my visa for Brunei.

Now i want to reapply but i can't remember what information the guy filled in the former form. i am thinking of sending a letter ahead to explain the situation to them before i reapply. don't know what to expect. i got a new passport in december, i work in oil and gas sector (work directly with Oando though i am not a direct employee of Oando). i head a dept and pay is good.

what do you think i should do please.

FYI: NO TRAVEL HISTORY, I HAVE A DAUGHTER, NOT MARRIED BECAUSE I LOST THE LADY DURING CHILD BIRTH OF MY BABY

Was your biometrics taken at the time? If your answer is yes, i am afraid your details are on record.

Secondly, if your biodata is the same now as used in 2006, then it is also on record even if your biometrics were not taken in 2006.
The reason i say this is that all related names as yourself along with those with red flags, will jump to the fore while the CO is typing in your details and you may be surprised if a question like ''have you applied to travel to the States before?'' comes up during your interview even if you filled ''no'' in your DS160 form. This question is to test your sincerity before the main appetizer.

You will have to meet with the former person who entered the form for you in 2006 and pray he still has a copy. You never can tell what he filled on your behalf, and what the CO entered for your assessment at the time.

Consistency is all that matters between approval and denial.....
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 8:50am On Mar 10, 2013
tzetzefly:

Was your biometrics taken at the time? If your answer is yes, i am afraid your details are on record.

Secondly, if your biodata is the same now as used in 2006, then it is also on record even if your biometrics were not taken in 2006.
The reason i say this is that all related names as yourself along with those with red flags, will jump to the fore while the CO is typing in your details and you may be surprised if a question like ''have you applied to travel to the States before?'' comes up during your interview even if you filled ''no'' in your DS160 form. This question is to test your sincerity before the main appetizer.

You will have to meet with the former person who entered the form for you in 2006 and pray he still has a copy. You never can tell what he filled on your behalf, and what the CO entered for your assessment at the time.

Consistency is all that matters between approval and denial.....

Thanks man. I have no intention of lying. I will tell co I applied before and was denied. What I'm worried about is the records that I can't remember. The agent doesn't have a copy any longer. The place I can't remember is the date of birth of my family members as he messed that section up.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 9:01am On Mar 10, 2013
israel007:

Thanks man. I have no intention of lying. I will tell co I applied before and was denied. What I'm worried about is the records that I can't remember. The agent doesn't have a copy any longer. The place I can't remember is the date of birth of my family members as he messed that section up.

If the only problem is the column for the date of birth of family members, then i will advice you leave that section blank.

During your interview, you will be asked why you left that column blank. You can then tell the CO you cant remember what you filled in your first application and you didnt want to contradict yourself. Since you know the implication of giving false claims....

The CO is also going to ask you if you filled the form in 2006 by youself. Just tell him/her the truth. It sets us all free....
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 9:43am On Mar 10, 2013
tzetzefly:

If the only problem is the section for the date of birth of family members, then i will advice you leave that section blank.

During your interview, you will be asked why you left that section blank. You can then tell the CO you cant remember what you filled in your first application and you didnt want to contradict yourself. Since you know the implication of giving false claims....

The CO is also going to ask you if you filled the form in 2006 by youself. Just tell him/her the truth. It sets us all free....


Thank you a lot. Do u think I should still send a letter ahead of my application?

What about my travel history? Though I am likely to go to dubai 5 days for work before my interview
Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 9:47am On Mar 10, 2013
israel007:


Thank you a lot. Do u think I should still send a letter ahead of my application?

What about my travel history? Though I am likely to go to dubai 5 days for work before my interview

Do not send any letter ahead, you will not get a response from them. You should travel to Dubai as planned and another EU country. This will improve your travel experience....
Re: Usa Visit Visa by israel007: 10:01am On Mar 10, 2013
tzetzefly:

Do not send any letter ahead, you will not get a response from them. You should travel to Dubai as planned and another EU country. This will improve your travel experience....

To say I appreciate you would be an understatement. God will immensely bless you.

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Re: Usa Visit Visa by tzetzefly(m): 10:07am On Mar 10, 2013
israel007:

To say I appreciate you would be an understatement. God will immensely bless you.

Thank you and Amen....
Re: Usa Visit Visa by olubayo20: 3:07pm On Mar 10, 2013
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Re: Usa Visit Visa by phatrat: 12:03am On Mar 11, 2013
I've known this lady 4 like 3yearz now and shes inviting me to the US to visit her. currently am in the university and i have my own company registered ,and i have my own personal business + am getting married by september, am 22yearz old. what are my chances of being granted a visa??thankI've known this lady 4 like 3yearz now and shes inviting me to the US to visit her. currently am in the university and i have my own company registered ,and i have my own personal business + am getting married by september, am 22yearz old. what are my chances of being granted a visa??thankss
Re: Usa Visit Visa by Gbenge77(m): 8:17am On Mar 11, 2013
@phatrat,To be honest,your chances of getting a visa are very slim.Should i expantiate?

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Re: Usa Visit Visa by ctrume(m): 5:04pm On Mar 11, 2013
Hello please, i am trying to schedule an appointment on the usa visa site but i have been getting the error message below. i have tried several times but it wont go, i have gone tru every single tin i filled in one by one and even filled a new d 160 form but still the same. pls has anyone experienced this and who can help out please.

Please enter valid CEAC Barcodes
All applicants scheduling an appointment must have entered their correct CEAC barcode. The applicants listed below have entered CEAC barcodes that do not match the personal information entered in this system. Please edit your records below to ensure that the names entered match the data in the CEAC form.
christopher medupin DS-160 Confirmation Number: *

God bless
Re: Usa Visit Visa by waleade011: 10:20pm On Mar 11, 2013
Very Silent follower. I was at the embassy today. Successful. Will share how it went when i collect it. I used this trends to prepare. NB: it was a 30seconds interview cheesy.
Re: Usa Visit Visa by nddchowfar: 12:39am On Mar 12, 2013
fellow nairalanders, please advise..

I am planning on registering for a conference in my field of concentration. I have chosen a state where my sister lives so I can stay with her when I am there for the conference? will this pose as a problem?
Re: Usa Visit Visa by KEMER(f): 1:29am On Mar 12, 2013
@Gbeng
Re: Usa Visit Visa by Gbenge77(m): 4:37am On Mar 12, 2013
KEMER:
Hello pls say something. smiley

Oh,sorry I didnt see you original post.You would need to take along your statement of accounts and all documents that will prove that you are able to sponsor our trip.Generally,you would need to have upwards of 750,000 or even a million to show that you are able to finance your trip.Also,you might take any property docs along.All these could help you prove you are not an intending immigrant.Nonetheless,while docs are important,Consular officers do not place a priority on them.They are usually pressed for time and seldom check documents.In addition,I must say that being single is a negative,but does not necessarily hinder you from getting a visa.The married could be denied,and the single granted .Crux of the matter,go with all financial docs you can just in case,provide brief answers to the questions asked,but explain if you are asked to,and most importantly: DO NOT APPEAR DESPERATE FOR A VISA.THATS ACTUALLY THE REASON FOR THE INTERVIEW.Prove that you dont intend to elope and even if they dont grant you a visa,you will be just fine.Thats the kinda attitude the co wanna see.With such an attitude,consider the visa yours.Best wishes:does this suffice?

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