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Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 11:21am On Mar 19, 2011 |
phantom23: You need to educate yourself and stop swallowing propaganda. The UK doesn't get any of it's oil from Libya. It buys most of it's oil from Norway (over 70%) and produces it's own in the North Sea. Only 2% of UK oil imports come from the Middle East and none of it from Libya. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2811607/Britain-has-slashed-its-reliance-on-Mideast-oil.html Read it and learn. Until the last couple of years, all UK trade with Libya was almost zero due to the Lockerbie airline bombing. There is no UK national interest other than seeing a stable, democratic Middle East. The oil deals were to drill so that Libya could export to it's markets . Not so that the UK could import Libyan oil. Those drilling operations have now ended with the uprising so it's not a case of the UK making anything from getting involved in the Libyan conflict. They are losing. They could have just supported Gaddhafi and carried on bringing in the drilling money. And you use the petrol price rise as some sort of argument against the UK without realising that the price has gone up in every country. Libya's main oil export markets are Italy, Germany, Switzerland and Egypt. Of those one is neutral and two have said that they will not partake in any action over the No-fly zone. Germany abstained from the UN resolution vote. Also take notice that the African Union was in favour of a No-Fly vote. Last time I checked, Nigeria was a member of the AU. Jonathon has done nothing more than respect the wishes of that body. As did the Presidents of Gabon and South Africa who also voted for the resolution. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by tony451: 11:53am On Mar 19, 2011 |
Reading all the posts that are in support of Gaddafi just makes me wonder at the typical Nigerian mentality that will see us defend the indefensible forthe flimsiest reasons. I wouldn't even bother quoting anybody, but when you have people saying that democracy is not a must, or that it is okay for Gaddafi to slaughter protesters as if Libya is his personal property, I tremble. That we need checks and balances in this world, I agree. But to say that we should accept somebody who sponsors terrorism, wants to unite all of Africa for the sole reason of becoming its leader, who thinks nothing of dropping bombs on his own counttrymen and would invite mercenaries to kill them, as our brother is nothing short of madness. This is the same guy who would see Nigeria broken up so that Libya will have less competition on the African stage. Its like saying that if Abacha was 4X as bad and had started openly bombing the homes of pro-democracy figures it is all well and good as long as he remembers to denounce the west!?!? The situation in Libya is not dependent on goings on in another country. That Bahrain is starting to do the same thing does not make it okay for Libya. If you take Libya in isolation this is the best course of action for the international community to save lives. If you guys want to discuss another country you should open another thread and talk about the hypocrisy of the West to your hearts content. Besides the idea for the no-fly zone is one openly supported by other Arab states and Egypt have been arming the "rebels" lately. The countries that abstained from the vote did not oppose it. If they did one single veto from Russia or China would have stopped the whole thing. Please listen to your conscience people, |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by ibedun: 12:27pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
I live in the west and i know the west, its politics, mentality and believes. My fellow Nigerians, they are going there purely for the OIL!!! They dont give a hoot about the Libyan population - open your eyes. Did you notice Obama's restraint? He knows the game. Just take a look at the lifestyle and the living standards off all the Oyinbos working in your oil industry. Does it seem remotely like the oil is owned by Nigerians? Its control and ownership of solid oil contracts. To continue prospering oyinbos while the majority rest continue to wallow in extreme poverty. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 12:43pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
It's the same old, tired crap. They already have the oil deals if they want them. The UK does not import from Libya. The US imports negligable amounts. There would be no difference in oil trading with a new regime than there is with a new one. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Nobody: 1:47pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
No one is supporting Gadaffis sit tight regime rather people are concerned by the effects of a war in country where there is no real democratic structure in place and vultures (under the eagis of UN no flyzone) waiting in the wings for the spoils of war :>OIL. IRAQ IS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF A WAR GONE WRONG! |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by coldhearts(f): 3:36pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
for example this , a war gone wrong http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/02/ted_zimbardo |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Sunofgod(m): 4:28pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by pleep(m): 8:30pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
Bastage: Its not about oil trading. the west is protecting thier Oil interests in libya the west doesnt want a man like ghaddafi to control the largest oil reserves in the continent because that gives him power over them. Also the price of oil has increased because of this crisis. Thus the west has an interest in ending it soon. Also, a lot of the oil in libya is pumped by a government controlled company. After they enact a democray the oil surely will be privatized and companies like B.P, shell and exoon Mobile wil swoop in. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by ibedun: 9:48pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
This freeking war is about OIL and the control of it. Yes the West have existing oil contracts but all are skewed heavily in Libya's favour. Trust Gadaffi, unlike the glutonous morons in the rest of black africa. Note that the AU issued a communique recently saying no wars or military intervention on African soil. The West dont have time for the powerless. And the West wants to protect a population that is not European and White without serious economic benefit? Sorry not the Westerners that I know very well. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by mamagee3(f): 10:39pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
Timehin:Egypt didn't have a democratic government before mubarak's ouster but they are building one now. . . Things change every year. . . |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Nobody: 10:58pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
@mama-gee, you mean a puppet regime abi? |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by cap28: 11:26pm On Mar 19, 2011 |
ibedun: so true, no-one was listening to what the AU had to say, according to one account, the african nations who voted in favour of the resolution expressed reservations about the military intervention but were ignored. i think this might be the beginning of the recolonisation of africa. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by pleep(m): 12:04am On Mar 20, 2011 |
cap28: Well, it seems like most africans are too stupid to accept that the west does not operate in their interests. The First colonization was Europes fault the second one is africa's fault. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Horus(m): 1:31am On Mar 20, 2011 |
I thought those days of attacking smaller oil filled countries was over. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by coldhearts(f): 3:46am On Mar 20, 2011 |
African union demands immediate halt to libya attacks http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20110320-326556/African-Union-demands-immediate-halt-to-Libya-attacks |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by member479760: 5:42am On Mar 20, 2011 |
coldhearts: It should demands immediate halt to Gbagbo regime killing his own people first! and the corrupt-useless Afro-leaders forgot to talk Gadhafi to stop bombing his own people. idiot leaders and tomorrow dey will beg for food from whiteman. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by efisher(m): 10:41am On Mar 20, 2011 |
I can't believe this. Some of you sound exactly like Gadaffi. There is no fence you have to be on one side: Gadaffi's side: Kill civilians and remain in power for life. UN side: There can be no justification for killing civilians indiscriminately and civilians must be protected. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Blazing99: 11:02am On Mar 20, 2011 |
efisher: Us/UK just fired 110 missiles into Libya. When I told u the west are mothafucking hypocrites, u think im talking no-sense |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Sunofgod(m): 11:39am On Mar 20, 2011 |
110 Missiles @ £300,000 per unit. Western taxpayers will pay for this big time!!! Gaddafi should send a SOS to those Somali pirates to head towards Libya in their boats. Cash on arrival. Fucckk the spineless AU. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by efisher(m): 12:06pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
Blazing99: The missiles were fired at strategic military targets in order to enforce a no-fly zone. Gadaffi is busy slaughtering people with his jets and heavy ammo and you want everyone to keep looking at him. Watch any international news station for 1 hour before you make more comments. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Horus(m): 12:22pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
It is not a "No Fly Zone" it is a "Let us Take the Oil Zone". |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Blazing99: 12:27pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
efisher:You sound like someone who'd defend westerners even if they bombed your hometown, due to inferiority complex. There's a civil war in Libya and civil war has casualties. He's not slaughtering his people. If you take arms against the government anywhere there is bound to be consequences. Why dont you arm people in ur village with guns and say u're fighting against the FG, u guys would be massacred in no-time. That's why there's diplomacy that the rebels should have embraced. News just confirmed that the missiles killed civillians. http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-20-0 |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 12:47pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
pleep: You've got it totally wrong. The oil deals favour the West. Europe, Japan and the US have the vast majority of drilling rights in Libya. One of the heads of the rebel council said: "If oil contracts were unfair or based on corruption, however, the interim leadership of Libya's second city Benghazi said they reserved the right to renegotiate them." And even more ominously worrying for the oil companies who paid millions to seal the deals, the same article continues, "Jammal bin Nour, a judge and member of the Feb. 17 coalition, told Reuters oil contracts signed by Gaddafi's government would be respected as long as they were fair, good for Libyans, and not based on corruption." Now companies and countries who landed the best deals (BP and Shell) won't want any re-negotiation. While countries who were not around when those deals were struck but are now very much around (hello China) will be doing everything they can to ensure they are not just re-negotiated but perhaps put back out to open tender. So in a nutshell: The West already has the deals. By deposing Gaddafi, those deals are almost certainly going to be up for renegotiation and will probably cost them more or will go to different countries like China. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by efisher(m): 12:50pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
As I said, there is no fence position. It's either you are in support of Gadaffi's actions or you are against them. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 12:58pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
If it were that simple, bro. True, there are some hate the West whatever it does but there are also those who think that this is purely about the West and Libyan oil. They're the people who need to educate themselves and realise that the West was financially better off leaving Gaddafi in power. Leaving him power was never a problem as he was bending over backwards with oil deals so that he could come in from the cold where he'd been for the last couple of decades. Deposing him, they stand to lose billions. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by cap28: 1:02pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
Sun of god: Absolutely, according to one analyst the implementation of a no fly zone will cost the american tax payer $15 billion per annum - im sure the american taxpayers will be pleased to hear that despite rising unemployment and cuts in public spending on health and education obama and his cronies are still quite happy to finance a FOURTH war. UK tax payers will of course be ecstatic about having to pay for this as well. nigeria, gabon and south africa shame on you for voting in favour of this criminal intervention - remember that as far as the west is concerned there is no such thing as permanent friends just permanent interests. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 1:06pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
A minute ago you were crowing about how the West would make money out of a conflict. Now you're whining that it will cost them a fortune. Which way do you want it? |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by cap28: 1:09pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
With 46.5 billion barrels of proven reserves, (10 times those of Egypt), Libya is the largest oil economy in the African continent followed by Nigeria and Algeria (Oil and Gas Journal). In contrast, US proven oil reserves are of the order of 20.6 billion barrels (December 2008) according to the Energy Information Administration. U.S. Crude Oil, Natural Gas, and Natural Gas Liquids Reserves) http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23605 |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by kodewrita(m): 1:15pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
cap28: They are not new expenses. the weapons are already paid for and launching them cost less than you imagine. Besides we are not expecting a year-long war so giving us costs on a per annum basis is inappropriate. God bless the countries that voted for this. You would rather taxpayers make their decisions on economic rather than moral grounds yet you criticise their governments for selfishly following their economic interests. You are the confused one. Sun of god: The spineless AU (filled with dictators like Paul Biya, Mugabe, Laurent Gbagbo, Jammeh, Santos, Deby and others) was almost wholly bankrolled for many years by Ghadaffi. In fact the AU was a major personal project of Ghadaffi so I am not surprised that they are spineless. They were designed to be spineless from the get go. |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by efisher(m): 1:25pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
God bless them plenty plenty. Gadaffi's propaganda is really working on people who are so gullible to think its just about oil. The world has gone beyond that. Everybody benefits when governments are stable. Nobody wants the war apart from Gadaffi himself. Why didn't he agree to any diplomatic solution. He wants to prove to everyone that he is stronger than Mubarak at the cost of lives. Same people supporting him here (NO FENCE POSITION) are the same people that cried out about Abacha's tyranny. It is pure hypocrisy and shortsightedness. Question for the Gadaffi supporters: WHAT ACTION SHOULD THE UN HAVE TAKEN UNDER THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES? |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by Bastage: 2:06pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
Cap28, you seem to be talking through two mouths. Anyone can see that on one hand you're attacking Western governements by saying that they will be loading financial burden on their taxpayers and then on the other that they're going to be making huge amounts of revenue from controlling oil. I ask you again: which is to to be? |
Re: Breaking News: A No Fly- Zone Has Been Passed On Libya By Un by cap28: 2:39pm On Mar 20, 2011 |
kodewrita: i oppose this intervention on moral AND economic grounds, moral grounds because it is morally bankrupt to invade a sovereign nation under the guise of humanitarianism when your own troops are killing unarmed civilians in iraq, afghanistan and pakistan. Immoral because the racist zionist govt of israel kill and maim palestinians on a daily basis and america not only arms and finances this country to the tune of $2 billion per annum but actively vetoes any attempt to stop this injustice, immoral because this same so called international community failed to intervene in rwanda in 1994 despite the fact that 1 million people were butchered at the hands of hutu militias, immoral because even in our country nigeria this same international community did jackshit when obasanjo slaughtered innocent men women and children in odi , gbamaratu and zaki biam, immoral because nothing was said when abacha executed (extra judicially) ken saro wiwa . economic because financially it is absolutely ludicrous to expect tax payers to foot the bill for a neo colonialist offensive when america and britain have more pressing socio economic problems to deal wiht in thier respective countries. the ONLY beneficiaries of this debacle will be the american oil companies the arms dealers and the international financial institutions. the african nations who voted for this are nothing but paid up rented who.res their own day of reckoning will soon come, how long before america moves south to appropriate the oil reserves in nigeria, equatorial guinea, gabon and angola ? they deserve everything that will come there way for selling out an entire continent - i thought they opposed AFRICOM - now AFRICOM is about to arrive on the african continent via a so called humanitarian intervention. |
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