Nothingserious:

“For among them are those who worm their way into homes and captivate silly and weak-natured and spiritually dwarfed women, loaded down with [the burden of their] sins [and easily] swayed and led away by various evil desires and seductive impulses. Now just as Jannes and Jambres were hostile to and resisted Moses, so these men also are hostile to and oppose the Truth. They have depraved and distorted minds, and are reprobate and counterfeit and to be rejected as far as the faith is concerned. [Exod. 7:11.] But they will not get very far, for their rash folly will become obvious to everybody, as was that of those [magicians mentioned].”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭3:6, 8-9‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Again...The point is you believe Jesus Christ a liar.... whatever He says means nothing to you, so I wonder what your claim to be of Him even is about.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He says and commands. If you don't even believe what He says and reject what He commands, what is there to do but wonder why you blatantly reject Him yet claim to believe Him?

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO


So, if it is an "idiomatic expression" then why did his disciples and all other followers, including those told of in the book of Acts, do that which is suggested in that parable... sell everything they have, and give it all away, in order to obtain the treasure that is Heaven?
In the passage above, Jesus Christ also confirmed that His instructions to the Rich young man were indeed in order that He might gain access to God's Kingdom by doing as He said.

Another instead which this is teaching is referenced is where Judas derided Mary for not selling the perfume she came to Jesus Christ with and giving the proceeds to the poor. There Judas confirmed that that teaching and commandments was indeed not just for the 12 but for everyone who would become a follower of Jesus Christ.

So why do you continue to choose denial of that which has been given to mankind for over 2000 years now?

“Now the company of believers was of one heart and soul, and not one of them claimed that anything which he possessed was [exclusively] his own, but everything they had was in common and for the use of all. Nor was there a destitute or needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses proceeded to sell them, and one by one they brought (gave back) the amount received from the sales And laid it at the feet of the apostles (special messengers). Then distribution was made according as anyone had need. Now Joseph, a Levite and native of Cyprus who was surnamed Barnabas by the apostles, which interpreted means Son of Encouragement, Sold a field which belonged to him and brought the sum of money and laid it at the feet of the apostles.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭4:32, 34-37‬ ‭AMPC‬‬


Why do you like misquoting the Bible?
You just dabble into the Bible and feel very comfortable in misinterpretations? That’s not nice.

Which Bible said all the disciples in the book of Acts sold all they had to follow Christ?
Is it the same Bible that said SOME sold and brought it back INTO THE FOLD for equitable distribution to solve problems amongst them?

Not all sold. SOME did. If all did, Ananias and Saphire wouldn’t have had anything left.
Aside from the Acts, check Paul’s missionary encounters. How many of his converts sold all they had?

How many of the women that supported Jesus’ ministry sold ALL they had?

Jesus was stressing the importance of self denial and unconditional love for God. Nothing, including your prized wealth and asset and even family should come between you and God. Jesus didn’t expect you to throw your family away to follow him. He didn’t . He blessed children and asked the disciples not to chase them away. He even took out a little time to teach about humility, simplicity in children and about their angels. Jesus attended a wedding to support a new family. He healed Peter’s mother-in-law. He brought back an only son for the widow of Nain. And so on and so forth. Does that look like someone who literally wants you to do away with your family and all you have? He is teaching you about total submission and reliance on God and unconditional love for God above all else.

Please go back and study the Bible calmly. Don’t rush the chapters. Pick up the gospels and Acts and read just a chapter per day and pray along that the Holy Spirit will guide your study. You will be able to pick out meanings and connect them with other scriptures. Scriptures interpret scriptures.

Cheers

Kobojunkie:
Again...The point is you believe Jesus Christ a liar.... whatever He says means nothing to you, so I wonder what your claim to be of Him even is about.

Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who do as He says and commands. If you don't even believe what He says and reject what He commands, what is there to do but wonder why you blatantly reject Him yet claim to believe Him?

I already told you in the other response to humbly go back and study your Bible and stop struggling with this “Jesus is a liar” chant.

Jesus cannot be a liar. The Bible cannot lie. Maybe you are lying and do not know genuinely. It’s not a problem. Study the scriptures quietly and learn. Please

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO


So, if it is an "idiomatic expression" then why did his disciples and all other followers, including those told of in the book of Acts, do that which is suggested in that parable... sell everything they have, and give it all away, in order to obtain the treasure that is Heaven?
In the passage above, Jesus Christ also confirmed that His instructions to the Rich young man were indeed in order that He might gain access to God's Kingdom by doing as He said.

Another instead which this is teaching is referenced is where Judas derided Mary for not selling the perfume she came to Jesus Christ with and giving the proceeds to the poor. There Judas confirmed that that teaching and commandments was indeed not just for the 12 but for everyone who would become a follower of Jesus Christ.

So why do you continue to choose denial of that which has been given to mankind for over 2000 years now?

The rich do not av to sell all they av to inherit the kingdom of God otherwise the death of christ is in vain. And if u read the story abt the rich man and the poor Lazarous. The rich man didn't go hell because he was rich, neither did he go to hell because he didn't sell all his properties. He went to hell because he didn't help poor hungry Lazarous at his gate.

sojiadebayo:
Death as we viewed it, is quite differ from the way God view it. "Pleasent in the eyes of God is the death of SAINTS" irrespective of age. I strongly believe it's far better to die in the Lord at any age, than to live long and still die in sin

Not at any age bro. God's plan 4 christians is to have good health and live long. Premature death or untimely death is never God'swill. The Bible says: With Long Life will i satisfy thee.

Truvelisback:
The rich do not av to sell all they av to inherit the kingdom of God otherwise the death of christ is in vain. And if u read the story abt the rich man and the poor Lazarous. The rich man didn't go hell because he was rich, neither did he go to hell because he didn't sell all his properties. He went to hell because he didn't help poor hungry Lazarous at his gate.

The parable about the Rich man and Lazarus was a parable..
A story Jesus Christ told to help teach a lesson, which is that no one will be sent back from the dead to warn those who are living. Jesus Christ did not tell you in that story that He was speaking of the Kingdom of God, so that assumption was all you and not the story. .

The lesson is many of the parables are placed by Jesus Christ right there in the context and some of them later used in His direct teachings to help you understand the application of the lessons taught - Matthew 13 vs 10 - 17.

Look, if you don't want Heaven, it is OK to hold fast to your "riches" here on earth, unfortunately for many of you, you already crossed over by entering in through the broad gate into the Kingdom of God meaning the outcomes may not be so good at the end - the broad gate leads to destruction- Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Jesus Christ never said Salvation was free - men told people that lie. He said if you want to become worthy of Him, you have to deny self - die to everything that makes you you - and those who are worthy of Him are those who abandon it all for His sake. Anyways, it is your decision to make as to whether Heaven is worth paying for or not.

Kobojunkie:
The parable about the Rich man and Lazarus was a parable..
A story Jesus Christ told to help teach a lesson, which is that no one will be sent back from the dead to warn those who are living. Jesus Christ did not tell you in that story that He was speaking of the Kingdom of God, so that assumption was all you and not the story. .

The lesson is many of the parables are placed by Jesus Christ right there in the context and some of them later used in His direct teachings to help you understand the application of the lessons taught - Matthew 13 vs 10 - 17.

Look, if you don't want Heaven, it is OK to hold fast to your "riches" here on earth, unfortunately for many of you, you already crossed over by entering in through the broad gate into the Kingdom of God meaning the outcomes may not be so good at the end - the broad gate leads to destruction- Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

Jesus Christ never said Salvation was free - men told people that lie. He said if you want to become worthy of Him, you have to deny self - die to everything that makes you you - and those who are worthy of Him are those who abandon it all for His sake. Anyways, it is your decision to make as to whether Heaven is worth paying for or not.

1.If he wasn't speaking abt the kingdom of God, what then was he speaking abt?
2. U said salvation is not free, so how much av u paid 4 ur salvation?

Truvelisback:
1.If he wasn't speaking abt the kingdom of God, what then was he speaking abt?
2. U said salvation is not free, so how much av u paid 4 ur salvation?

1. Jesus Christ told you what the lesson of that story was in verse below.

28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’
29 But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’
30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’
31 He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” - Luke 16 vs 28 - 31

Basically, God will not send anyone back from the dead, to warn those who are living, not even for the jews.

2. Jesus Christ told made it what we had to do to become worthy of Him. So I too had to submit to and obey all of what Jesus Christ said to do in order to become worthy of Him.

Nothingserious:


Yes, it does.
I am telling you that a Christian can and does still struggle against sin. It is a daily affair.
Anyone who tells you he/she doesn’t isn’t being sincere. Question is on how one deals with it.
And pls don’t talk about the spirit of God. Everyone who believes in Jesus Christ has the spirit of God in them. So a struggling Christian like Paul stated there also has the spirit of God in them. How do we gain victory then? Paul answered in subsequent chapters in Romans.

It's true. I can relate.

Kobojunkie:
Paul never told you that the Spirit of God lived inside of those who were still struggling with sin.

Anyways, Jesus Christ, the one who promised the Holy Spirit, made it very clear that only those who are set free from bondage to sin by their submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, are made Sons of God, and it is these Sons of God, free from bondage to sin - John 8 vs 31 - 44, that the Father is able to live inside of - John 14 vs 15 - 25

If you feel Jesus Christ lied in His teachings, then I wonder why you even bother claiming to believe in Him.

There is no christian(human having flesh and blood) that doesn't av his/her thorn in the flesh like Apostle Paul.

Truvelisback:
There is no christian(human having flesh and blood) that doesn't his/her thorn in the flesh like Apostle Paul.

What has Paul's "thorn in the flesh" to do with all Christians?

Where did Jesus Christ teach that all of His followers must have this "thorn in the flesh" you speak of?

What was Peter's, John's, Phillips', Jame's Andrew's etc., "thorn in the flesh"?

smallatobs:
Op is not what I expect I read from your post
To live a Christianity life can only be easy if the person is genuinely born again, have Holy Spirit operating in him, we can succeed as a perfect Christian being a religious person, or by our effort in trying or by material things possessed because the Bible said he who is after silver(Money/material things) will never be satisfied with Silver, it's more easier for the poor to serve God than the rich so said Jesus Word, So in brief it is only the Presence of the Holy Spirit that can make it easy to live a perfect life

So, those suffering,experiencing hardship, persecuted and even killed are not genuinely born again?

wirinet:
What about what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30, are you saying he is lying?

That scripture is mainly meant 4 unbelievers who are wallowing in sin and experiencing troubles, who av not yet receive Christ.

Trustedpronet:
Op you are very wrong. Infact the poor or the contented people practice rightousness than those that highly materialistic people which you refferred to as rich.The problems in wealthy homes cant be overlooked. SATAN is responsible for all the woes on earth and all nations are falling for its snares.

How do the poor practice more righteousness than the rich? As the rich faces temptations of their wealth, the poor too faces temptations of their poverty too. E.g mumuring, envy,jealousy,worrying,judging people(especially people who are doing better than they do), being mocked by people etc.

Truvelisback:
That scripture is mainly meant 4 unbelievers who are wallowing in sin and experiencing troubles, who av not yet receive Christ.

From practical experience believers are worse sinners than unbelievers. This is evidenced in countries that has the most churches and mosques being the most morally and physically corrupt and unstable.

If the number of believers is a measure of morality, then Nigeria would have been a beacon of morality in the world.

wirinet:


From practical experience believers are worse sinners than unbelievers. This is evidenced in countries that has the most churches and mosques being the most morally and physically corrupt and unstable.

If the number of believers is a measure of morality, then Nigeria would have been a beacon of morality in the world.

How are the believers worser than the unbelievers? So, are u saying that the believers are the reasons Nigeria is like this?

Truvelisback:
That scripture is mainly meant 4 unbelievers who are wallowing in sin and experiencing troubles, who av not yet receive Christ.

Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 is in fact Jesus Christ telling you that there is a cost to what He came to give you.

25 At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children;
26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.
27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” - Matthew 11 vs 27 - 30

That was not meant for unbelievers but also for those who claim to believe but reject His teachings and commandments, so they realize that what they have is worthless without the yoke and burden that goes along with it.

wirinet:


From practical experience believers are worse sinners than unbelievers. This is evidenced in countries that has the most churches and mosques being the most morally and physically corrupt and unstable.

If the number of believers is a measure of morality, then Nigeria would have been a beacon of morality in the world.

Hearsay. This is not true.
Pls do you have any data to substantiate this bogus claim?

Kobojunkie:
What has Paul's "thorn in the flesh" to do with all Christians?

Where did Jesus Christ teach that all of His followers must have this "thorn in the flesh" you speak of?

What was Peter's, John's, Phillips', Jame's Andrew's etc., "thorn in the flesh"?

So your life is rosy and all smooth right?
You don’t have any personal struggles you pray to God to help you conquer?

Truvelisback:
So, those suffering,experiencing hardship, persecuted and even killed are not genuinely born again?

Thank you for that valid question.
It is very wrong for any Christian to believe any other believer who suffers and struggles is because of spiritual inadequacies. Jesus confronted this with the blind man where the disciples asked whether he or the parents had sinned.

Such glossy messages make young believers fail once they don’t see “smooth success “ all around them.

Nothingserious:

So your life is rosy and all smooth right?
You don’t have any personal struggles you pray to God to help you conquer?

Life does appear rosy and all smooth from to to time. Why, must it not appear so?

Kobojunkie:
Life does appear rosy and all smooth from to to time. Why, must it not appear so?

���

Okay oooo. Me I don commot my hand for this mata ooo. My life no or neva dey rosy. I get plenty challenges wey I dey hustle.
But I know say Holy Ghost dey make we no fear oooo.


“But [like a boxer] I buffet my body [handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships] and subdue it, for fear that after proclaiming to others the Gospel and things pertaining to it, I myself should become unfit [not stand the test, be unapproved and rejected as a counterfeit].”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Nothingserious:

���
Okay oooo. Me I don commot my hand for this mata ooo. My life no or neva dey rosy. I get plenty challenges wey I dey hustle.
But I know say Holy Ghost dey make we no fear oooo.

“But [like a boxer] I buffet my body [handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships] and subdue it, for fear that after proclaiming to others the Gospel and things pertaining to it, I myself should become unfit [not stand the test, be unapproved and rejected as a counterfeit].”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was something specific to Paul, at least from a point in time. It had not always been there and from what Paul said, he had to learn to overlook it.
To then assume that because whatever it was happened to Paul means it happens to all Christians is ludicrous.... instead, Jesus Christ is the one who decides what happens to His own and Jesus Christ never said that suffering and tribulation will always be the lot of those who belong to Him. Anyone to believe such as his lot is...on his own there.

Also, again, it is those who are continually submitted to Jesus Christ in obedience that the Holy Spirit attends to, not just anyone. So test every Spirit to be sure you are indeed dealing with one that is of God.

Truvelisback:
How are the believers worser than the unbelievers? So, are u saying that the believers are the reasons Nigeria is like this?

I believe so. Before Nigeria became a believer nation ( I believe this started in the early 80s). Nigerians were more moral, honest and trustworthy. But with the proliferation of churches and mosques on every street corner, our morality started going down.

Nothingserious:


Hearsay. This is not true.
Pls do you have any data to substantiate this bogus claim?

I said from practical experience and you are talking about hearsay.

Before the 80s our houses did not have fences. In fact we hardly locked our doors before then. Before the astronomical increase in "believers", Nigerians were respected and trusted around the world. Now the synonym for Nigeria is scam and fraud. Nigerian now justify fraud, immorality and violence with religion.

Truvelisback:
So, those suffering,experiencing hardship, persecuted and even killed are not genuinely born again?

Suffering, Hardships, persecution are part of Christianity (Jesus Christ our perfect example experience all this).
I (Jesus Speaking) have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.
John 17:14

wirinet:

I believe so. Before Nigeria became a believer nation ( I believe this started in the early 80s). Nigerians were more moral, honest and trustworthy. But with the proliferation of churches and mosques on every street corner, our morality started going down.

Christianity is not the reason. The churches are meant to lead people in the way of the Lord. 4rm my opinion, Our bad government and the poor state of Nigerian economy could av led to that.

Nothingserious:


���

Okay oooo. Me I don commot my hand for this mata ooo. My life no or neva dey rosy. I get plenty challenges wey I dey hustle.
But I know say Holy Ghost dey make we no fear oooo.


“But [like a boxer] I buffet my body [handle it roughly, discipline it by hardships] and subdue it, for fear that after proclaiming to others the Gospel and things pertaining to it, I myself should become unfit [not stand the test, be unapproved and rejected as a counterfeit].”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Bro, i get u joor! U are not alone. I do experience the same too. As 4 Kobojunkie, don't just waste ur precious time argueing with him. His arguements and points do not hold water. What he practises is simply the Law, not grace.

Truvelisback:
Bro, i get u joor! U are not alone. I do experience the same too. As 4 Kobojunkie, don't just waste ur precious time argueing with him. His arguements and points do not hold water. What he practises is simply the Law, not grace.

Jesus Christ is the Law that I follow. And it seems all too clear that His Words mean nothing to you meaning even the salvation you claim is not of Him but of men, yet you go around deceiving people with these lies in the name of Jesus Christ.

Since the Word of God, Jesus Christ, means nothing to you, why not completely distance yourself from Him and go live yourself as those in the world, who also find no meaning in the Word of God, Jesus Christ, do?

Why must you deceive others in the Name of Jesus Christ?