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Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by maxsiollun: 3:20am On Jun 06, 2011
Brigadier Godwin Alabi-Isama thinks so:

"Ojukwu should apologise to the Igbos. He shouldn't have led them to war because he had nothing to fight with, He did not apologise for the war and he did not renounce Biafra on his return. He should have been taken to a radio station to renounce Biafra but he was not."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/06/nigerian-civil-war-how-adekunle-obasanjo-caused-mass-killings/
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by udezue(m): 5:04am On Jun 06, 2011
4k NO!!!

ALABI can go to hell. You commit crimes then have the nerve to ask for apologies? Its unfortunate only Europeans enjoy the rights to send men who commit crimes against them to the Hague for trial.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 6:34am On Jun 06, 2011
Charles Taylor and Ratko Mladic are standing trial at the Hague for war crimes they committed years back.There is an arrest warrant on Sudanese president Omar Al-Bashir and Muammar Ghadaffi while Hosni mubarak has been charged. . .most of these people committed war crimes and crimes against humanity which are not different from what ojuku of biafraland brought upon his people and Nigeria at large.
Millions of Nigerians were killed mostly children due to the greed and selfish interest of a single man.Anyday,anytime,I will always canvass for the arrest and the extradition of Ojuku to the ICC to stand trial for the war crimes and war against humanity he committed as a biafran dictator.there is no point apologizing,he should be tried and jailed.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 7:04am On Jun 06, 2011
On the contrary, Gowon, Obasanjo, Buhari and IBB should all be sent to the Hague or delivered to us for Judgement, for the crimes against humanity they commited on Biafrans. There crimes was nothing short of Genocide and should incur nothing less than the maximum penalty which is death by hanging.(similar to Saddam Hussien)  angry angry


Long live Ikemba!!!(Our Hero from ages to ages)

~Bluetooth:

Charles Taylor and Ratko Mladic are standing trial at the Hague for war crimes they committed years back.There is an arrest warrant on Sudanese president Omar Al-Bashir and Muammar Ghadaffi while Hosni mubarak has been charged. . .most of these people committed war crimes and crimes against humanity which are not different from what  ojuku of biafraland brought upon his people and Nigeria at large.
Millions of Nigerians were killed mostly children due to the greed and selfish interest of a single man.Anyday,anytime,I will always canvass for the arrest and the extradition of Ojuku to the ICC to stand trial for the war crimes and war against humanity he committed as a biafran dictator.there is no point apologizing,he should be tried and jailed.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 7:21am On Jun 06, 2011
Calculia:

On the contrary, Gowon, Obasanjo, Buhari and IBB should all be sent to the Hague or delivered to us for Judgement, for the crimes against humanity they commited on Biafrans. There crimes was nothing short of Genocide and should incur nothing less than the maximum penalty which is death by hanging.(similar to Saddam Hussien)  angry angry


Long live Ikemba!!!(Our Hero from ages to ages)


So a man fighting against a sovereign state is a hero in your dictionary ? shocked Where you expecting Gowon to fold his arm when Ojuku selfishly declared biafra and took up arms against Nigeria ?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by joeyfire(m): 7:33am On Jun 06, 2011
Ojukwu made a mistake regarding biafra's level of preparedness and the timing of the commencement of hostilities. With the benefit of hingdsight we now know it may have been better to have kept gowon at the conference table a little longer. That doesnt mean he's guilty for entering the war. Feelings were high after the massacres in the north, I can guarantee he would have been shot by his aides if he hadnt declared biafra
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 7:42am On Jun 06, 2011
joeyfire:

Ojukwu made a mistake regarding biafra's level of preparedness and the timing of the commencement of hostilities. With the benefit of hingdsight we now know it may have been better to have kept gowon at the conference table a little longer. That doesnt mean he's guilty for entering the war. Feelings were high after the massacres in the north, I can guarantee he would have been shot by his aides if he hadnt declared biafra

Ojuku had his mind made up already.It was a do or die affair to him.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 7:58am On Jun 06, 2011
~Bluetooth:

So a man fighting against a sovereign state is a hero in your dictionary ? shocked Where you expecting Gowon to fold his arm when Ojuku selfishly declared biafra and took up arms against Nigeria ?

Please! Do not insult your intelligence,  What sovereign state? I take it Anarchism now qualifies for a sovereign state. An anarchist state is exactly wat Nigeria was and will remain for as long as it exists. 

The Ikemba did very well as a young man to try to rescue his people at earnest from backward retards in the North and South West. It was just unfortunate the western powers would not have any of it,because of their oil interest in the region.

Please do not deceive yourself into thinking that Nigeria defeated Biafra because they did not. The war simply ended because of the blockade and  shortage of basic amenities. That intelligent strategy came from the West. (UK/USA AND RUSSIA) In a sense, they won the war for Nigeria.  The Nigerian Army actually have never won any War in all its history. grin grin grin grin
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 8:09am On Jun 06, 2011
Calculia:

Please! Do not insult your intelligence,  What sovereign state? I take it Anarchism now qualifies for a sovereign state. An anarchist state is exactly wat Nigeria was and will remain for as long as it exists. 

The Ikemba did very well as a young man to try to rescue his people at earnest from backward retards in the North and South West. It was just unfortunate the western powers would not have any of it,because of their oil interest in the region.

Please do not deceive yourself into thinking that Nigeria defeated Biafra because they did not. The war simply ended because of the blockade and  shortage of basic amenities. That intelligent strategy came from the West. (UK/USA AND RUSSIA) In a sense, they won the war for Nigeria.  The Nigerian Army actually have never won any War in all its history. grin grin grin grin







You need to write a history book on biafra cuz I'm laughing at your claims.Was it only ojuku that saw Nigeria as an anarchy state ? You also claimed the west saw oil and that is why they never wanted secession ? Are you serious ?
The fact remains that Ojuku wanted the whole of eastern region in his control and the oil in the delta region was the motivating factor ! Do you think there will ever be a biafra without Niger delta oil ?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 8:26am On Jun 06, 2011
Yes!! Simply because of the social, political, cultural and religious difference between the region. The Irish in the United Kingdom are not advocating an Independent Republic of Ireland, because of the abundant patatoes they have in Ireland.(since they don't have much oil)

The Scottish are not advocating an independent Scotland because of the Mountains in their region but purely on social, cultural and political grounds. Even the United Nation recognizes the right of distinct ethnic groups to self determination with out persecution or crimes against humanity perpetuated against them. The North cannot go on forever murdering innocent children, r aping and murdering women, murdering men without some sort of response. They are not God and have no right to claim life they can't give. cannibals,  angry angry angry


~Bluetooth:

You need to write a history book on biafra cuz I'm laughing at your claims.Was it only ojuku that saw Nigeria as an anarchy state ? You also claimed the west  saw oil and that is why they never wanted secession ? Are you serious ?
The fact remains that Ojuku wanted the whole of eastern region in his control and the oil in the delta region was the motivating factor ! Do you think there will ever be a biafra without Niger delta oil ?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by dempeople(m): 8:35am On Jun 06, 2011
Over the years, I've had cause and opportunity to research enormously on issues concerning the war and where there are/were fault lines.

As an Igboman, as nwa afor Igbo, this is my take on Alabi-Isama's statement, in the context of my personal research and results.

Apologies should be a two-way process and not one way.

Yes, Ojukwu should apologise to Ndigbo for he's egocentric attitude which led us to war without adequate preparation for such a war. Its like someone who never prepared for an exam and then goes into the exam hall "confident" that he/she will pass through. It doesn't work like that. There was also no need for him to try and secede Ndigbo from a country in which Ndigbo were not only a majority in, but also significantly represented in the fight for independence and were adequately represented in the federal coalition government while being in firm control of the eastern region. His political calculations were wrong. Apart from his unpreparedness, his stubborn attitude towards the advise of some other similarly senior officers, much older Ndigbo like Zik etc, and other Nigerians in the likes of Wole Soyinka, conspicuously exposed his persona as an extremely uncompromising figure - a significant factor which lost us the war (Effiong and Ikot Ekpene saga).

On the other hand, Nigeria should apologise to Ndigbo for the war cos there was no need to be aggressive on civilians and even the soldiers. They simply should have seen it as a "giant" misunderstanding between Ojukwu and Gowon and not Nigerians as a whole vs Biafra.

But all these views are just the benefits of hindsight. If Biafra won the war, Ojukwu would have been a demigod as of now.

BTW, if I existed at the time and was of fighting age, however I might disagree with Ojukwu's stance, I would never had stepped aside like Zik, to watch my own people slaughtered by enemies (or once countrymen). This is where I differ with Zik. His disagreement with Ojukwu shouldn't have led to him backing-off at the expense of not supporting his own people. I hate him for this.


But in all of this, Ndigbo were the sole casualties not Nigeria nor Ojukwu for, the latter later got all his properties after returning as an "escaped" general while, it allowed the former to properly institutionally marginalise Ndigbo fully over the years as a result of a misunderstanding.

If my brothers and sisters on this thread are going to vilify me for my views here then, I guess a man in my person can take so much for I know I spoke(wrote) out my views - which will escort me to the grave.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 8:36am On Jun 06, 2011
Calculia:

Yes!! Simply because of the social, political, cultural and religious difference between the region. The Irish in the United Kingdom are not advocating an Independent Republic of Ireland, because of the abundant patatoes they have in Ireland.(since they don't have much oil)

The Scottish are not advocating an independent Scotland because of the Mountains in their region but purely on social, cultural and political grounds. Even the United Nation recognizes the right of distinct ethnic groups to self determination with out persecution or crimes against humanity perpetuated against them. The North cannot go on forever murdering innocent children, r aping and murdering women, murdering men without some sort of response. They are not God and have no right to claim life they can't give. cannibals,  angry angry angry



How many cases of hausa/fulani attack on the south are you aware of before independence and shortly after the ibos killed Tafawa Balewa during the coup ?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 9:10am On Jun 06, 2011
@Bluetooth,
Unfortunately, the same ethnic/religious sentiments that led to that war are still very much around with us. Those calling Ojukwu names are either ignorant or simply mischievious.

A stitch in time saves nine. If we dont come together sooner to negotiate Nigeria, another civil war will be inevitable. Only this time around, it won't be the Igbo let alone Ojukuwu.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 9:12am On Jun 06, 2011
~Bluetooth:

How many cases of hausa/fulani attack on the south are you aware of before independence and shortly after the ibos killed Tafawa Balewa during the coup ?

The killing of Tafawa Balewa was one very tragic episode in the Nigerian History and unnecessary. The Army should never have shifted from protecting such high profile personality to actually murdering them. The Army had no business in politics to say the least.

But we have to look at this history in line with the world emerging from the second world war and well into the cold-war. Military coup was everywhere and Nigeria was no exception. The killing of innocent civilian was also not necessary as a counter coup in the like of Gowon would have been sufficient.

To try and justify the religious and political and not to talk of tribal killings in the North today with a transition in our early history in line with global history is simply out of the question.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 9:29am On Jun 06, 2011
Calculia:

The killing of Tafawa Balewa was one very tragic episode in the Nigerian History and unnecessary. The Army should never have shifted from protecting such high profile personality to actually murdering them. The Army had no business in politics to say the least.

But we have to look at this history in line with the world emerging from the second world war and well into the cold-war. Military coup was everywhere and Nigeria was no exception. The killing of innocent civilian was also not necessary as a counter coup in the like of Gowon would have been sufficient.

To try and justify the religious and political and not to talk of tribal killings in the North today with a transition in our early history in line with global history is simply out of the question.    

The killing was not carried by army but ibo soldiers and that is the beginning of the killing of ibos by the northerners.
noblezone:

@Bluetooth,
Unfortunately, the same ethnic/religious sentiments that led to that war are still very much around with us. Those calling Ojukwu names are either ignorant or simply mischievious.

A stitch in time saves nine. If we dont come together sooner to negotiate Nigeria, another civil war will be inevitable. Only this time around, it won't be the Igbo let alone Ojukuwu.

The South would have had a good bargaining term if there was no war but it seems to me that the ultimate thing was secession and not a peaceful negotiation to end the killing of southerners by the hausa/fulanis.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 9:39am On Jun 06, 2011
Please clarify the Army and igbo soldiers difference. Who is the Army and distinguish from igbo soldiers?


Based on this statement of yours do u now understand the conflicting nature of the Nigerian Entity and why Ojukwu might have thought it necessary for succession. Tribal sentiment was the reason the imperialist coined Nigeria to fit in with their divide and rule strategy.

Even the army is divided, no wonder they have been unable to win any war in all its history.

~Bluetooth:

The killing was not carried by [b]army but ibo soldiers [/b]and that is the beginning of the killing of ibos by the northerners.
The South would have had a good bargaining term if there was no war but it seems to me that the ultimate thing was secession and not a peaceful negotiation to end the killing of southerners by the hausa/fulanis.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by scopusng(m): 9:42am On Jun 06, 2011
Ojukwu should be charge for war crime against his people. It's not too late.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by ZE: 9:53am On Jun 06, 2011
The question is SHOULD OJUKWU APOLOGISE FOR THE CIVIL WAY?

Answer,

Ojukwu should not and will never apologize for the civil war.

QED
Case closed

Next topic?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by tissot84: 9:57am On Jun 06, 2011
i think the ibos believed that niger-delta was part of them. i think u should not be deceived becos they would rather stay on their own. And the ibos should thank God that there was no biafra if there was then by now u would have notin for urselves
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 9:58am On Jun 06, 2011
scopusng:

Ojukwu should be charge for war crime against his people. It's not too late.

U just open ur mouth and speak cos u are allowed, do u know anything about war? i bet when the war was going on, u dad was still like 2 years old, then u can define if u mum was born then, apologise my ass, dont even Bleep with the IBOs now, cos they are more dangerous than the IBO of then
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 10:00am On Jun 06, 2011
tissot84:

i think the ibos believed that niger-delta was part of them. i think u should not be deceived becos they would rather stay on their own. And the ibos should thank God that there was no biafra if there was then by now u would have notin for urselves

If u finish typing, go and meet mum and suck more tits
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 10:16am On Jun 06, 2011
Calculia:

Please clarify the Army and igbo soldiers difference. Who is the Army and distinguish from igbo soldiers?


Based on this statement of yours do u now understand the conflicting nature of the Nigerian Entity and why Ojukwu might have thought it necessary for succession. Tribal sentiment was the reason the imperialist coined Nigeria to fit in with their divide and rule strategy.

Even the army is divided, no wonder they have been unable to win any war in all its history.


Stop making it sound as if the whole Nigerian army killed the Sardauna.The coup was led by Nzeogwu,an ibo soldier and the hausa will continue to kill ibos in revenge for his death.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by delicious1(m): 10:39am On Jun 06, 2011
He should apologize for the war? For what, will that bring back the dead?  undecided
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by marocguy(m): 10:47am On Jun 06, 2011
Seun,dats a bad title on home page, it shud be, alabi thinks ojukwu should apologise,
I hardly comment on issues lyk dis since 2006 i joined NL, but this one is rather 2 provoking 2 ignore.
First of all,i dont think alabi is still in a ryt state of mind, read dat interview again,
Secondly,who is he to say ojukwu should apologise to igbos? D war wasnt fought cos we think we will win,no it was fought based on the drive and need to secede and make things right, with the situation of things in the country then,if he was leading his ethnic group at that time,he could have done same unless he isnt actually a leader. Ojukwu he is saying things about even sacrificed his personal and family wealth on that war,so you can see its not a selfish interest thing. I dont blame alabi,he clearly lacks identity,fake yoruba uneducated soldier like him,saying rubbish against more learned soldiers like him,trying to use ojukwu's popularity to sell his poorly edited and disorderly organised upcoming book,you can see from his interview how demented he obviously is now.
One point picked from his thrash interview,he acknowledged the hidden genocide commited by danjuma,obj,ibb,adekunle n co, Himself too,d innocent blood he shed at war are haunting him,dats why he keeps blaming ojukwu, I pity him,at old age,typical with murderers anyway.
We all know who should be facing the hagues tribunal for war crimes,tackle it the rwandan way, or better still,shut d fu.,ck up and pretend like it didnt occur,quit provoking ourselves.
Only a few men in this world are half a man ojukwu is,president GEJ respects that,thats why he revers the old biafran war hero,
AND BLUETHOOTH,YOU HAVE A BETTER REASONING THAN THIS MAN, QUIT DEFAMING YOURSELF ON STRAIGHT UP ISSUES LYK DIS,
LONG LIVE IKEMBA OJUKWU OF NNEWI,UMU AFO IGBO LOVE AND PRAY 4 U!!!
Tryin hard 2 ignore all those my papa say i be ibo wey no get identity
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Abagworo(m): 10:59am On Jun 06, 2011
tissot84:

i think the ibos believed that niger-delta was part of them. i think u should not be deceived becos they would rather stay on their own. And the ibos should thank God that there was no biafra if there was then by now u would have notin for urselves

You started your comment well but ended it like one of these greedy oil-centric people eyeing the Igbos oil.The war had nothing to do with oil.The Biafrans fought in the spirit of self-defense and never saw it as Igbo vs "the rest of Nigeria".The war was changed by mere propaganda which turned other Southerners against Igbos.My Grandfather fought the war and till this day calls it a war of survival.He only knows we have some oil companies operating in the farmland and it stops at that.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Guardian(m): 11:12am On Jun 06, 2011
Ojukwu owes no body no apology, It was a time of national birth and divides in the polity led to his action, the entire Igbo nation had the choice to refuse his action and deny him the support. But they did not. They saw a need and reason in his action hence they supported. If their's any ethnic that suffered the most as a result of the  war it was the Igbos, they saw and endured what no other Nigerian ethnic has and can live with till this day.  But even as it got worse they supported and fought on.

Now the east has oil smiley there would be no need for Niger Delta smiley If BIAFRA resurrects.

The action and responsibility Ojukwu bore at his age can not be matched till this day.  One thing for sure our nation is still strongly divided by ethnic and religion. The later being between the North and south divide - No thanks to the Brisitsh. and the former due to our selfish interests.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Calculia: 11:45am On Jun 06, 2011
~Bluetooth:

Stop making it sound as if the whole Nigerian army killed the Sardauna.The coup was led by Nzeogwu,an ibo soldier and the hausa will continue to kill ibos in revenge for his death.


The whole Nigerian Army killed your Sardauna in a coup. Nzeogwu was a High ranking Nigerian Army Officer from Niger/Delta, in the south/south region.

The Hausa are not just killing igbos in the north mind you. Yoruba's and all ethnic groups, even Hausa's are being killed. The Igbo's at anythime could massarce the Hausa's in our region but we are not cannibal's and have no use for human flesh. This conversation with you is over because u are unintelligent. I prescribe u go back to school.  shocked
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by AndreUweh(m): 11:51am On Jun 06, 2011
Abagworo:

You started your comment well but ended it like one of these greedy oil-centric people eyeing the Igbos oil.The war had nothing to do with oil.The Biafrans fought in the spirit of self-defense and never saw it as Igbo vs "the rest of Nigeria".The war was changed by mere propaganda which turned other Southerners against Igbos.My[b] Grandfather[/b] fought the war and till this day calls it a war of survival.He only knows we have some oil companies operating in the farmland and it stops at that.
Do you mean your father?.
Most people who fought on both sides of the war are in the 60's and 70s now.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by AndreUweh(m): 11:56am On Jun 06, 2011
It is very wrong for non Igbo people to start issues regarding Ndigbo. If Igbos had wanted an apology from Ojukwu, they would have long done so. Alabi is really seeking for attention. Ojukwu did not declare war nor declare for Biafra without the consent of the then Eastern regional parliament.
We Ndigbo, do not need any apology from him.
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Guyman02: 11:57am On Jun 06, 2011
Another tribal bashing thread opened.
He sighs loudly mscheeeews and walks out
. sad angry sad
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 12:02pm On Jun 06, 2011
deli.cious:

He should apologize for the war? For what, will that bring back the dead?  undecided

Some serbs also believe Ratko mladic shouldn't stand trial for killing over 8000 muslimsin the 90's.If he can brought to justice years later,why is ojuku not tried for causing millions of deaths ?
Re: Should Ojukwu Apologise For The Civil War? by Nobody: 12:07pm On Jun 06, 2011
Andre Uweh:

[s]It is very wrong for non Igbo people to start issues regarding Ndigbo.[/s] If Igbos had wanted an apology from Ojukwu, they would have long done so. Alabi is really seeking for attention. Ojukwu did not declare war nor declare for Biafra without the consent of the then Eastern regional parliament.
We Ndigbo, do not need any apology from him.

Why brought the idea of biafra ? I'm sure you will also say it was the eastern parliament ! ROFLMAO
Calculia:


The whole Nigerian Army killed your Sardauna in a coup. Nzeogwu was a High ranking Nigerian Army Officer from Niger/Delta, in the south/south region.

The Hausa are not just killing igbos in the north mind you. Yoruba's and all ethnic groups, even Hausa's are being killed. The Igbo's at anythime could massarce the Hausa's in our region but we are not cannibal's and have no use for human flesh. This conversation with you is over because u are unintelligent. I prescribe u go back to school.  shocked 



I still stand on it that ibos introduce tribalism and unnecessary into Nigeria by killing hausas/fulanis first.

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