debosky:

The lower clubs are either broke or already spent out.

You never offer the full price at the first bid - everyone knows that. . .the key is for Arsenal to secure the deal at the best price it can achieve.

I agree the timing may not be ideal, but the manager can only be blamed if he fails to get the required reinforcements elsewhere by the close of the window.

As for not needing him now,  arguments can be made that he does - Bendtner was played on the wings last season, Arshavin seems to be on his last legs, leaving only Walcott and maybe Gervinho as our first choice wing players. We need Ox now so he can learn from all these cats and improve such that when he's called to be first choice, he's had the necessary development.

debosky:

The common sense can only be determined when we see his performances or when he is sold for nearly double that fee.

Smalling was the equivalent of a Division 2 player when he was bought from Fulham, since he was only playing conference footie a year earlier - he was bought for £12m (the upfront fee for Chamberlain) and no fuss was made about that.

Besides, being an English player attracts a premium.

Chamberlain is not a player from the Bundesliga so learn to make appropriate comparisons.

How much would Hummels cost? Would he be less than £10m? How much would Sakho cost? Would he be less than £10m? We are not looking at people who might need a year or two to bed in, we need slot in and perform now.

dayokanu:

And when you have other glaring holes in other part of the field , you choose to spend 15m on your least problematic area (walcott, arshavin, gervinho, rosicky, Miyachi )and spend the money on a teenager who might not even start.

Must you buy Hummels or Sakho? When both are playing for some high profile clubs and not ready to move

Where was Vidic, Skrtl, Samba etc playing, Have you thought about Diego Lugano with a release clause of less than 5m

duduspace:

What we bought is future value, we also bought Squillaci for 3m and Joel Campbell for less 1m so you aint saying much. We need to have young English talent coming through and that is how much they go for. This is not the Bundesliga. Besides 15m is still a far cry from the 50m+ that the likes of City, Chelsea, Manure and Liverpool have spent so far in this transfer window.

debosky:

Wing players are a problematic area - playing Bendtner on the wing should be sufficient to show you it was a problem.

We need players who can step in now, not those needing a long bedding in period before delivering.

None of them came in and had an immediate impact of the type required by Arsenal. If we simply want to buy cheap, then Scott Dann can probably be bought for £6m and he has EPL experience.

dayokanu:

You have at least 5 players who play on the wings pre OXlade, So how many wingers are needed?

None of Vidic, Skrtl and Samba had immediate impact? Do you watch football or you are simply taking the piss?

I remember Skrtl a few months after being signed was Shackling Drogba in the CL

The quality of Vidic and Skrtl has been absent from the Arsenal defence line for over 7yrs

dayokanu:

And when you have other glaring holes in other part of the field , you choose to spend 15m on your least problematic area (walcott, arshavin, gervinho, rosicky, Miyachi )and spend the money on a teenager who might not even start.

Must you buy Hummels or Sakho? When both are playing for some high profile clubs and not ready to move
Where was Vidic, Skrtl, Samba etc playing, Have you thought about Diego Lugano with a release clause of less than 5m

coogar:

that's excluding carlos vela who was sent on loan cos wenger knows that area of the pitch is bloated.

that's ma point. there are ridiculously cheap defenders in europe.
all those eastern european clubs where labour is very cheap. . . .you can get £1m defenders for fun there and you would have quality defenders loyal to the end on the pitch.

Rubbish - name one season where a defence with Skrtl has conceded fewer goals than Arsenal's.

debosky:

Vela is not suited to the English game and was loaned with a view to selling him. He will ultimately need a replacement, which further strengthens the case for Ox.

There are so many cheap quality defenders, yet Utd's two last CB purchases cost £12m and £18m, both English. Go figure.

debosky:

Chelski's last CB cost £25m, and only Citeh bought an Eastern European CB recently for £5m, as 5th choice behind Kompany, Lescott, Toure and Boyata. TAnd we are to believe that you can easily buy quality CBs for cheap.

debosky:

How many goals did Blackburn concede in Samba's first season? Even Sharon will tell you Vidic's first half season (he came in January) was so so.

debosky:

Rubbish - name one season where a defence with Skrtl has conceded fewer goals than Arsenal's.

debosky:

The last season is the one I regard as most important - it proves that Skrtel is no better than Koscielny.

dayokanu:

The last season when Liverpool was in turmoil yet conceded one goal more than Arsenal is what you regard as most important?

Do you now agree that you are a tool?

coogar:

how's he not suited? maybe arsenal's tiki-taka is not his style.
did he not slam them in for west brom?

the same season, united lost the following players. . . .
neville, scholes, hargreaves, brown, o'shea. . . . . .with the imminent '6 + 5' rule, it's logical to replace the departed players with english players.

deborah, compare like for like. . . . .
you do not have chelsea's bottomless pocket of money, neither do you have city's wealth.  compare arsenal to man utd? how fergie sometimes get players on a bargain and turn them to gold. . . . .it's not really about the money. . . .it's the value. chicharito cost just £6m while others are splashing £50m on torres, £35m on caroll, etc.

debosky stop deep-tonguing wenger's butt.
you can never compare samba's performance at blackburn to arsenal. . . . . .arsenal will not concede the huge amount of goals blackburn would concede. arsenal are a top side. they attack 75% of the time, leaving the remaining 25% for the opposing team. would samba concede with such statistics? so you think if pique or vidic moves to wigan athletic or west ham, they will not concede like 50 goals per season? your logic is always flawed on friday. . . . . .

vidic's first half season was so and so cos he was a january buy, same as evra.
if he had been bought in the summer, with enough time to bed in with his team-mates, this would have been avoidable.
we are not asking wenger to buy in january. we are saying he should have tidied up the defence before the pre-season games. that is enough time for samba and cahill to learn the ethos of the gunners.

debosky:

One goal, one offside goal and only 8 appearances. . . .talk about slamming them in.

So Arsenal doesn't need English players?

Yet we are judged on the same basis as those sides no?

I agree it's about value - which is why Wenger will baulk at paying Citeh price for Cahill. However, we can pay a big price for youth players we strongly believe will make it.

Samba is so good, yet when money-miss roads Citeh were spending, paying ridiculous fees for Kolo and Lescott, they never once bid for him. Go figure.   Samba that spent half of the pre-season injured?

I have now heard that Wenger's first choice was Jones, so you can appreciate that he's had to change his plans.

coogar:

he was on loan. . . . .not fully embedded.
2 goals in 8 apps is not too bad for a wing forward.

how many english players left arsenal in the last 2 seasons.
fergie was just replacing the number of players that left his squad. . . . .pay no attention to this summer deals cos it's not every season 6 british players would leave man utd.

and you should be. . . . .your club have the 2nd highest attendance in the country.
like £100m racked up at the gates excluding food and drinks. . . . . .what are you doing with the money?

what's the rush to pay the stadium debt? the club racks in good income, fans will always watch football and the tv deals will always get better.
i don't think it makes any economic sense to pay up instantly while the football side of things suffers. . . . .

£18m is not citeh price. how much did they pay for lescott years ago?

not every manager recognises value and you will not expect mike adenuga to shop at oshodi market even when he knows he will find value there.
you will see him in top departmental stores. rich people shop in expensive places. wenger is not mancini. wenger is poor.

of course, his first choice was jones but he went with his stingy mentality until united snapped him.
same ish happened with smalling last year. it was wenger who got there first and he got punished for not making up his mind.
to make matters worse. . . . .he spent £15m on oxdale(an untested player) and he baulked at paying £12m for chris smalling(fulham-tested).
admit it, wenger is a toolie.

edoyad:

muki i don't understand again o. Match thread for la liga matches that won't elicit more than 10 responses are already up but the thread for our match is yet to be found.

"It is important [to strengthen] because we will lose players in January with players going to the African Nations Cup," said Wenger.

"We lose Gervinho and Chamakh together so, first of all, it is important to strengthen up front. It is important that we find one midfielder and one defender as well. So we are still short of three bodies.

edoyad:

muki i don't understand again o. Match thread for la liga matches that won't elicit more than 10 responses are already up but the thread for our match is yet to be found.

allboyz:

I TIRE OO. . .

as for the La liga. . .Only the EL-classico games shud be on the Forum! > Muki

Tidy up the UTD v ARS game now so i have give ma Predos as led by the Spirit!!

Reports from France suggest Arsenal could be on the brink of signing Monaco’s South Korean striker Park Chu-Young.

Park was due to join Lille, but apparently left midway through his medical tests there to travel to London to join Arsenal. Lille’s president Michel Seydoux said, “Park went to England, apparently to Arsenal. We are stunned by this unacceptable behaviour.”

BBC’s football reporter, David Ornstein, has confirmed with Lille that Park is on his way to sign for the Gunners. More on this as we get it.

Meanwhile, Arsenal have been drawn against Shrewbury Town in the 3rd round of the Carling Cup. The game will take place at the Grove in the week beginning Sept 19th.

[size=13pt] Carling Cup Third-Round draw:[/size]




Cardiff City v Leicester City
Wolves v Millwall
Chelsea v Fulham
Aldershot Town or Carlisle United v Rochdale
Arsenal v Shrewsbury Town
Burnley v MK Dons
Leeds United v Manchester United
Brighton v Liverpool
Nottingham Forest v Newcastle United
Manchester City v Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers v Leyton Orient or Bristol Rovers
Swindon Town or Southampton v Charlton or Preston North End
Everton v West Brom
Crystal Palace or Wigan v Middlesbrough
Aston Villa v Bolton Wanderers
Stoke City v Tottenham Hotspur

duduspace:

Undecided on this, 3.5m looks like another bargain buy but if I recall, this guy scored against Nigeria in the World Cup and scored 13 goals in the french league for a club that went into relegation, besides anyone Arsene buys must have something.

debosky:



If nothing else, signing the South Korean Captain is sure to skyrocket the sales of Arsenal Jerseys in Korea - Wenger will have recouped that 3.8 mill by the middle of next week.

allboyz:

Scored against NIG U-20 in Holland a free-kick. . . he may seem good but he's def not the ideal arsen al signing plus AW never taught about him before until when they realize that he was the player had lined up to replace the Arsenal-Bound Hazard then AW felt he was cheap at 3.8m and decided to go for it. . .

debosky:

Na wa for you sef. . . .where did you get this information from or are you just making it up?