AjanleKoko:

It's quite an irony sha. In the same Nigeria where 2:1 vs 2:2 is a major bone of contention for hiring locals, the same industries are chock-full of Indian, Lebanese, Pakistani, Malay, Filipino, and these days even Chinese 'executives' and 'specialists'. I suppose they are all first class and 2:1 grads?

When the financial sector was 'booming', some banks were busy hiring first and 2:1 grads to man front office jobs like teller, and even to go out on the streets for funds canvassing. Now they are hiring OND holders to man the same tills

plenty of em aren't even uni grads

and the same people making noise of 2'1 will be falling all over them and their ogboju bs. we got one who is an 'expert' in just about everything. alays telling us i have 25 yrs experience in . . .meanwhile, its 90% ogboju

oyb:

plenty of em aren't even uni grads

and the same people making noise of 2'1 will be falling all over them and their ogboju bs. we got one who is an 'expert' in just about everything. alays telling us i have 25 yrs experience in . . .meanwhile, its 90% ogboju

Hmmmnnnn, na your 'expatriate' oga u dey finish like that!


He sabi shout na
. If u no sabi, just get swagger

SEFAGO:

Let me contextualize this: I am talking about 2:2 graduates in the Nigerian context not with regards to other countries. I am unfamiliar with higher education in India et al. I dont want to talk about other countries because it gets messy. I am also referring to entry-level positions not when someone has built significant experience and maturity. Like for example someone mentioned you give good career advise so as to negate the fact that you got a 2:2: but such knowledge you have with regards from careers in Nigeria is based on experience and maturity not on pure academic ability in its self. Its moreover irrelevant knowledge that is useful only in a forum like Nairaland populated with people too lazy to Google or find stuff by themselves independently assuming of course you do not want to start a career consultancy firm to help fresh graduates. Basically your knowledge is great for 2:2 graduates. Moreover, typing long treatises on Nairaland is not an employable skill or something I value strongly. Any i/d/iot can type and validate their opinions.

I tend to be more impressed with smart, efficient and hardworking people. Usually a 1st class in Nigeria is reflective of that. It means you were top of the curve; it means despite PHCN and all the stress you were able to scale through and are pretty focussed.  

I only know what happens generally in Nigeria. I admit I spoke rashly (well technically I was trolling initially  ), but I also believe that a lot of 2:2 grads got their results based on working less than there are peers. There are going to be a lot of outliers- people from poor homes, people who had some family situation or whatnot, and other things. However exceptions don't provide sufficient evidence for a general rule.

In general, I only have respect for people at the top end of the intellectual curve, 2:2 tells me you have a low chance of being located within such a select group of people. I dont have time for internet gangstas who type career advice online. That's fluff to me.

I assume you're still sore cos I called you a student. No offence there, though I still suspect you are one.

Now to the general gist of your post . . . of course, the first class graduates most likely worked harder than their 2:2 and below classmates, or were much smarter, whatever the case. Nobody is debating that. B

But the question was about the relevance of 2:2 graduates to the society. Of course they are relevant, as long as they have some skill or knowledge or ability that is required by some business. Not all businesses need a genius. In many jobs in Nigeria, graduates are not even required per se, just that everybody seems to be a graduate these days. 2:2 actually means average, mind you, and 69% (3.49/5.0)  is a 2:2 in Nigeria.

Like I said before, If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs. For example, you could hire some first class dude to work in some R& capacity in Shell, while competent 2:2 can work as a field engineer. By the way, Shell hires 2:2s in Nigeria, even for their SITP program.

While we're at it, what about doctors who don't even have class of degree designation? If you were hit by a truck, tell me you'll be asking the attending in ER what was their class of degree? SEFAGO: 'Take your hands off me, I demand to see your academic transcripts!!!'

That popular black brain surgeon, Carson or what's his name? Didn't he graduate in the lower half of his class at Yale, only to go on to med school at U. Michigan, and end up the youngest paediatric neurosurgery chief in Johns Hopkins?


Oh, one last edit: to the 2:2 grads, don't mind these guys. Go out there and still give it your best shot. Getting a 2:2 is like losing the first set; the Grand Slam is much longer than just one set. Chin up, and see how you can get back in the game, and get in there with your racket swinging and your head fully in it. You can still get all you want out of life. At the end of the day, both the first class and 2:2 graduate are working for only one thing: money. Every other thing is just so you can feel good and accomplished with yourself.

Okay. I'll leave out all the Nairaland stuff, I assume you're still sore cos I called you a student. Grin No offence there, though I still suspect you are one.

Nah, Why should I be? I just get irritated when people make Nairaland sound like Nature or Science where what you type is validated as word.

But the question was about the relevance of 2:2 graduates to the society. Of course they are relevant, as long as they have some skill or knowledge or ability that is required by some business.

I already acknowledged their relevance. I pointed out that they made good janitors.

Not all businesses need a genius. In many jobs in Nigeria, graduates are not even required per se, just that everybody seems to be a graduate these days. 2:2 actually means average, mind you, and 69% (3.49/5.0) is a 2:2 in Nigeria.

Its really what the percentile is for a 2:2. Its very rare to meet a 3rd class graduate so I think my guesstimate that its less than average is correct? I have met quite a large number of Nigerian 2:2 and they are individually capable of wrecking a company or causing significant damage with a magnitude similar to that of Boko Haram. Usually, I am not vitriolic, but tbh but I have met some really stoopid ones.

While we're at it, what about doctors who don't even have class of degree designation? If you were hit by a truck, tell me you'll be asking the attending in ER what was their class of degree?

Your example is way out there. In all sane countries, the path to being a doctor- and hiring practices for doctors are very rigorous, I will not be asking such questions.

Like I said before, If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs. For example, you could hire some first class dude to work in some R& capacity in Shell, while competent 2:2 can work as a field engineer. By the way, Shell hires 2:2s in Nigeria, even for their SITP program.

Technically, they allow 2:2 people apply, we would need statistics with regards how many employed were 2:2 to buttress your suggestion that they "hire them".

^^
The truck would be hitting you in Lagos, or maybe even Abuja. Whichever you prefer.
Just remember to ask for the doctor's resume

That popular black brain surgeon, Carson or what's his name? Didn't he graduate in the lower half of his class at Yale, only to go on to med school at U. Michigan, and end up the youngest paediatric neurosurgery chief in Johns Hopkins?

Did all 2:2 students graduate at the lower half at Yale? Mate, I am talking about Nigeria I just contextualized it for you (face palm). Moreover these are isolated cases that you keep continually bringing up to refute the claim that in general most 2:2 students are nitwits is getting tiresome.

And you guys seem to think this is about somebody. Yeah, it's a little personal, but not really about me. I shared my story, not for your benefit, but for the 2:2 dude who needed a little inspiration. You guys are free to think what you like, it is your mind after all.

Ok, Ok.

Oh, one last edit: to the 2:2 grads, don't mind these guys. Go out there and still give it your best shot. Getting a 2:2 is like losing the first set; the Grand Slam is much longer than just one set. Chin up, and see how you can get back in the game, and get in there with your racket swinging and your head fully in it. You can still get all you want out of life. At the end of the day, both the first class and 2:2 graduate are working for only one thing: money. Every other thing is just so you can feel good and accomplished with yourself.

Aww thats so cute, I am getting all emotional now and weepy   with the victory speech infact I am beginning to touch myself  .

To the 2:2 grads. Congratulations at being massive F/uc/k ups. Unfortunately, the world is built in such a way that you dimwits get a second chance.  Next time get your s/hi/t together and at least try and fake having common sense. Some 2:2 people have managed to do that. However remember for the rest of your life that you screwed up one of the most important steps in your life and that such a screw up will follow you till you die. Do the world a favor and find the closest bridge. You know what to do next.

That would be great!

SEFAGO:

[size=28pt]I am beginning to touch myself  .[/size]

Oi!! Oh dear, SEFAGO.

^^
The truck would be hitting you in Lagos, or maybe even Abuja. Whichever you prefer.
Just remember to ask for the doctor's resume

As I said irrelevant. Doctors who treat accident victims have years of training.

By the way it seems that you want a truck to hit me sha.

SEFAGO:

As I said irrelevant. Doctors who treat accident victims have years of training.

By the way it seems that you want a truck to hit me sha.

Nah, I am not a violent somebody. I'm just saying

SEFAGO:

Let me contextualize this: I am talking about 2:2 graduates in the Nigerian context not with regards to other countries.

This is really a poor contextualisation.

As I have already said, academic degree class is not a good measure of intelligence. I am sure there are several research that has shown that the predominant style of educating those not adequately test intelligence equitably. It is too narrow and too structured.

Research shows people have different learning styles and different stages of academic peak. A structured and narrow educational system that is utilised globally for expedient reasons does not take this into context. Worse still in a failed system like Nigeria where people have to cram to excel and people do courses that is not ideal for their ability because the environment provides success possibilities for very few courses.

2:2 in Nigeria should be less judged than in other countries that can boast more broad and superior learning styles/environment, better facilities and better career guidance/possibilities.

That said, academic qualifications in its current form only (at best) reflects knowledge/aptitude in a field or a moderate (not high) correlation with intellect.

SEFAGO:

Did all 2:2 students graduate at the lower half at Yale? Mate, I am talking about Nigeria I just contextualized it for you (face palm). Moreover these are isolated cases that you keep continually bringing up to refute the claim that in general most 2:2 students are nitwits is getting tiresome.

Ok, Ok.


Aww thats so cute, I am getting all emotional now and weepy   with the victory speech infact I am beginning to touch myself  .

To the 2:2 grads. Congratulations at being massive F/uc/k ups. Unfortunately, the world is built in such a way that you dimwits get a second chance.  Next time get your s/hi/t together and at least try and fake having common sense. Some 2:2 people have managed to do that. However remember for the rest of your life that you screwed up one of the most important steps in your life and that such a screw up will follow you till you die. Do the world a favor and find the closest bridge. You know what to do next.

That would be great!

Student

AjanleKoko:


That popular black brain surgeon, Carson or what's his name? Didn't he graduate in the lower half of his class at Yale, only to go on to med school at U. Michigan, and end up the youngest paediatric neurosurgery chief in Johns Hopkins?

I dont understand how Ben Carson got into this thread. I have a feeling Ajanlekoko is now on the defensive and would drop any name just to prove his point. Too bad. A  young under 30 foreign trained grad student seems to be out-debating an over 30, home based Nigerian.  Maybe SEFAGO does have a point here. 2:2 = low IQ

Carson went to Yale, there is no school in Nigeria or Africa for that matter that comes close to Yale.
Second, Carson had a sub 1200 on SAT, putting him in the lower tier of freshmen at Yale when he entered. Little wonder he graduated in the lower half of his class
Third, there is no equivalent of a 2:2 in the American system. The System is different from Naija's  style
Fourth, It is moronic to compare Carson's story with that of any Nigerian.
Lastly, Sup Sagamite? Why did you tell Seun to ban me? Why do that? Why buddy?

Sagamite:

This is really a poor contextualisation.

Actually, SEFAGO's contextualization was great. Best I have seen so far on this thread. BTW, contextualization is better spelt with a "z." Spelling contextualization with a "s" makes you look g/a/y. Just saying. Or are you?

As I have already said, academic degree class is not a good measure of intelligence. I am sure there are several research that has shown that the predominant style of educating those not adequately test intelligence equitably. It is too narrow and too structured.

Ofcourse, nothing predicts or measures intelligence perfectly. But hey, it ( "academic class degree" or whatever you call it) is the best we have right now. Hit the books or hit the welfare. You cant have it both ways. With a "C" in mathematics in WAEC, I totally understand your anxiety. Its normal. You are not alone, Ajanlekoko is with you.

Research shows people have different learning styles and different stages of academic peak.

What research? Which one?  Dont tell me you believe everything you read in the newspaper. BTW, PM News is not a credible source for something as abstract as learning and intelligence, FYI

A structured and narrow educational system that is utilised globally for expedient reasons does not take this into context.

Too verbose and nonsensical. Is English your second language or something?

Worse still in a [b]failed system like Nigeria where people have to cram to excel [/b]and people do courses that is not ideal for their ability because the environment provides success possibilities for very few courses.

People cram everywhere.
Nothing is learnt without craming. Craming is the first step in any learning endeavor. "The first step in the acquisition of knowledge is silence, the second is listening, the third memory, the fourth practice, the fifth teaching others." — Solomon Ibn Gabriol. You cannot overemphasize the importance of cramming in the acquisition of knowledge. Trying to undermine the effectiveness of cramming shows how out-of-touch you are. Even the IQ tests, the most reliable of them all, success depends largely on how well you can recall stuff and how fast.

But hey, You tha best. Atleast, Naijababe thinks so. 

2:2 in Nigeria should be less judged than in other countries that can boast more broad and superior learning styles/environment, better facilities and better career guidance/possibilities.

Ofcourse, the lawn is always greener in obodo-oyinbo, especially for people like you who couldnt cut in Nigeria. Truth be told, the game hasnt changed, Hardwork! Hardwork! Hardwork! Thats all you need. I understand that the ability to study all night isnt a gift nature endowed most people, select few like yours truly besides!

If you can cut it in Nigeria, you will cut it anywhere. I understand your plight though, you are probably one of those people who could not cut it in Nigeria and got some Affirmative Action break in the UK. No wonder, you keep on building lies and ridiculous rationalizations for all (excellence) that you lack :::::SMH:::::

That said, academic qualifications in its current form only (at best) reflects knowledge/aptitude in a field or a moderate (not high) correlation with intellect.

Says who? What is the alternative? ROFLMAO!

mitofag:

I dont understand how Ben Carson got into this thread. I have a feeling Ajanlekoko is now on the defensive and would drop any name just to prove his point. Too bad. A  young under 30 foreign trained grad student seems to be out-debating an over 30, home based Nigerian.  Maybe SEFAGO does have a point here. 2:2 = low IQ

Carson went to Yale, there is no school in Nigeria or Africa for that matter that comes close to Yale.
Second, Carson had a sub 1200 on SAT, putting him in the lower tier of freshmen at Yale when he entered. Little wonder he graduated in the lower half of his class
Third, there is no equivalent of a 2:2 in the American system. The System is different from Naija's  style
Fourth, It is moronic to compare Carson's story with that of any Nigerian.
Lastly, Sup Sagamite? Why did you tell Seun to ban me? Why do that? Why buddy?  

Nothing you put in there even makes sense. You expect me to debate a statement like 'it is moronic to compare Carson's story with that of any Nigerian' with you? Or 'there is no school in Africa that compares to Yale'?

I used Carson as an example of someone who didn't graduate in the top tier of his class, but went on to a highly successful career. Forget trying to make comparisons, it's the same scenario that a 2:2 grad would face in Nigeria. Hypothetically, a Nigerian with 2:2 may not have even gotten into a Nigerian equivalent of Johns Hopkins.


Just like Sefago, you're only making blanket statements based on personal opinion, rather than trying to debate anything. Most of what he was saying was loosely based around 'I met some 2:2 grads and they ought to be shot'. Maybe he needs to check the company he keeps.

And by the way, the argument isn't about my IQ, or that of any other 2:2 grad. Let's stay with the topic.

AjanleKoko:


I used Carson as an example of someone who didn't graduate in the top tier of his class, but went on to a highly successful career. Forget trying to make comparisons, it's the same scenario that a 2:2 grad would face in Nigeria. Hypothetically, a Nigerian with 2:2 may not have even gotten into a Nigerian equivalent of Johns Hopkins.

I wasnt trying to debate. First of all, you dont debate, you are an "internet gangsta" whose expertise is in dishing out career advice to "f/u/c/k-ups" (oloshi ni bobo SEFAGO yi) like you, who are too lazy to google shyyt. I have excelled in a foreign country even though I wasnt born here. I admire your courage, but I dont read the shyyt you post because they are useless. Only useful to dullards who had to bribe their way into university.

Since you couldnt understand the point of my post, I will break it down to you. The point is that there is no reason bringing up Carson on a thread like this. Carson graduated in the lower half of his class right. meaning, he was a below average student at Yale. 2:2 is the average in Nigeria. Bringing up Carson to make yourself feel better is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Just as how you brought up Fola Adeola's name, it was totally unnecessary, childish, petulant and absurd. It makes you look like a f/u/c/k-up that I dont think you really are. At least, not to your teaming fans on NL


Again dropping JHU, there is nothing like a Nigerian equivalent of JHU. You reasoning is TBH below what you would expect from a college graduate, not to talk of someone holding a masters. And this is not the first time you will exhibit such retardedddd way of looking at issues.

Again, when you say a highly successful career, I am not sure what your point is exactly. Successful career, yes. Highly successful? Not sure. Anyway, I dont think there is any reason bringing up Carson. But hey, you are the moderator! You know it all.

mitofag:

I wasnt trying to debate. First of all, you dont debate, you are an "internet gangsta" whose expertise is in dishing out career advice to "f/u/c/k-ups" (oloshi ni bobo SEFAGO yi) like you, who are too lazy to google shyyt. I have excelled in a foreign country even though I wasnt born here. I admire your courage, but I dont read the shyyt you post because they are useless. Only useful to dullards who had to bribe their way into university.

Since you couldnt understand the point of my post, I will break it down to you. The point is that there is no reason bringing up Carson on a thread like this. Carson graduated in the lower half of his class right. meaning, he was a below average student at Yale. 2:2 is the average in Nigeria. Bringing up Carson to make yourself feel better is like comparing Apples to Oranges. Just as how you brought up Fola Adeola's name, it was totally unnecessary, childish, petulant and absurd. It makes you look like a f/u/c/k-up that I dont think you really are. At least, not to your teaming fans on NL


Again dropping JHU, there is nothing like a Nigerian equivalent of JHU. You reasoning is TBH below what you would expect from a college graduate, not to talk of someone holding a masters. And this is not the first time you will exhibit such retardedddd way of looking at issues.

Again, when you say a highly successful career, I am not sure what your point is exactly. Successful career, yes. Highly successful? Not sure. Anyway, I dont think there is any reason bringing up Carson. But hey, you are the moderator! You know it all.

Quite the feisty little cheerleader aren't we?
Are you trying to provoke me into insulting you back or something?
What is the point of all this, exactly?

All these complaints about my IQ, my reasoning, my 'internet gangsta' ways . . .  what is going on really? If this outbursts were meant to 'discredit' me, or something equally sinister, you're gonna have to come up with some more. You will still get your ban, you know.

Just like Sefago, you're only making blanket statements based on personal opinion, rather than trying to debate anything. Most of what he was saying was loosely based around 'I met some 2:2 grads and they ought to be shot'. Maybe he needs to check the company he keeps.

Well I have worked in a couple of places in lagos and yes, you basically have to work with everyone from nitwits to decent students. I think my assessment is pretty fair- its not really up for debate because you cant convince me based on exceptions or people with different life situations.

Ben Carson does not make sense. He might have been average in a very very high-ended pool but 2:2 Nigerian graduates are not average in a high end pool. Theoretically, you could transfer a 2:2 graduate to US and they would end up in the same percentile as they are in Nigeria. But in Nigeria, where your competition is really not all that, I am pretty skeptical with regards to this claim:

Forget trying to make comparisons, it's the same scenario that a 2:2 grad would face in Nigeria.

Of all places to pick Yale and Hopkins.

Nothing you put in there even makes sense. You expect me to debate a statement like 'it is moronic to compare Carson's story with that of any Nigerian' with you

Actually it is. Carson was an exceptional case and was born in a very poor neighborhood and faced significant life challenges. Also Carson was accepted during the period when Yale just started Affirmative action. However you neglect the fact that he was a pretty good student but had some issues going on that affected him. This happens to some 2:2 students but in general the average 2:2 grad does not have the same circumstances as Carson.

What is the point of all this, exactly?

Well he did get banned

SEFAGO:

Ben Carson does not make sense. He might have been average in a very very high-ended pool but 2:2 Nigerian graduates are not average in a high end pool. Theoretically, you could transfer a 2:2 graduate to US and they would end up in the same percentile as they are in Nigeria. But in Nigeria, where your competition is really not all that, I am pretty skeptical with regards to this claim:

Are you now saying Ben Carson is above average? Or are you saying Nigerian 2:2 graduates are not as smart as Ben Carson? Which is it exactly?

SEFAGO:

Well I have worked in a couple of places in lagos and yes, you basically have to work with everyone from nitwits to decent students. I think my assessment is pretty fair- its not really up for debate because you cant convince me based on exceptions or people with different life situations.

That's very much your assessment. I could tell you for instance, that I had a team lead once, a 2:1 graduate, who had two masters degrees, an engineering masters, and another from INSEAD. Most of the guys who worked with him, locals and foreigners alike, share the opinion that he's one of the stoopidest people they ever worked with. His undergraduate degree was from Nigeria. I could say my assessment is fair as well.

SEFAGO:

Of all places to pick Yale and Hopkins.

I didn't pick any of those places. I picked a person who happened to go to school and work at those places. And yet you keep saying he was a below average grad.

SEFAGO:

Well he did get banned 

Too bad. He seems to be spoiling for another one, I guess
That explains all the insults. Unfortunately they're kind of wasted on me, cos I don't get to hand out the bans.

mitofag:

Ofcourse, nothing predicts or measures intelligence perfectly. But hey, it ( "academic class degree" or whatever you call it) is the best we have right now. Hit the books or hit the welfare. You cant have it both ways. With a "C" in mathematics in WAEC, I totally understand your anxiety. Its normal.  You are not alone, Ajanlekoko is with you.

Is it okay if I point out I didn't have a C in Mathematics? My anxiety is supposed to be 2:2. For Pete's sake, get your wires uncrossed.

mitofag:

I have excelled in a foreign country even though I wasnt born here.

Good talk, Sambo.

Are you now saying Ben Carson is above average? Or are you saying Nigerian 2:2 graduates are not as smart as Ben Carson? Which is it exactly?

You really are beginning to fall my hand sha. I was initially just trying to pepper up the thread since I was a bit bored but you seem to be confirming everything I basically have stated.

Anyways first things first- Apologies about my trolling and I am not trying to get personal, I just cannot resist Esu when he calls on me to start trouble.

No, I don't have multiple personality disorder.  I kind of admire what you are saying, and that 2:2 deserve a second chance and would have to commend you on your efforts. I personally understand what it is to be down myself. For what its worth, I actually directed an old high school friend mine to your story like 6 months ago because he was thinking of taking a second undergraduate degree because he got a 2:2. I advised him to do a masters and build work experience based on your previous suggestions.

So technically don't take me seriously,   

Now though:

That's very much your assessment. I could tell you for instance, that I had a team lead once, a 2:1 graduate, who had two masters degrees, an engineering masters, and another from INSEAD. Most of the guys who worked with him, locals and foreigners alike, share the opinion that he's one of the stoopidest people they ever worked with. His undergraduate degree was from Nigeria. I could say my assessment is fair as well

In what way, could he at least use an excel sheet? Stoopidity has different levels. I can bet you that I am substantially lowering the bar in terms of stooopidity. As long as this guy is capable of doing basic first year/second year engineering stuff then he is not stoopid in my books. I was referring to an engineer who cannot use excel or who does not know what Gibbs free energy means after 4 years of university. It begs the question of what exactly did you do in 4 years if you dont even know the first year/secondary school fundamentals. When you graduated university and are ignorant of secondary school material what do you really want me to think?

I didn't pick any of those places. I picked a person who happened to go to school and work at those places. And yet you keep saying he was a below average grad.

I never said he was. You are. You are attempting to link the average student at a really elite school in supposedly the most powerful country in the world to the average Nigerian 2:2 grad. At least 95+% of the people who go to Yale would get a first class at a Nigerian university ok?

Dont bring America or Europe or Asia into this. They have set standards that even if you are dumb and you go through their system, you would come out with a little bit of knowledge.

mitofag:

But hey, You tha best. Atleast, Naijababe thinks so. 

Oh, why stop there?! Aren't you going to call him my daddy too?

mitofag:

At least, not to your teaming fans on NL

Epic fail.

The correct usage is 'teeming'. . . .so much for Mr Foreign Graduate.

Now back to the topic.

Another piece of irrationality that dominates a lot of the anti-2:2 brigade is a seeming lack of awareness of the arbitrariness and singularity of the cut off point between 2:1 and 2:2.

From my understanding, you need a 3.50 and above to get a 2:1, while a 3.49 earns you a 2:2. Consider the case of two individuals who get grades 3.49 and 3.50 respectively - how reasonable is it to assume that the 3.50 graded individual is clearly better than someone with 3.49?

Of course I appreciate that not all 2:2 graduates finish on the cusp of 2:1, but it does show that any arbitrarily set deterministic value of GPA is inherently flawed, especially close to the boundaries between two grades.

That said, I do agree with the view of many that you should not 'base' your life on exceptions. There are 'many' players making £50k per week playing football in the premiership, but there are millions of others that failed to reach that level.

In simple terms - be realistic, yet ambitious. A 2:2 graduate needs to recognise the considerable obstacles he/she faces, while looking at the average and exceptional performances to see how he/she can bridge the gap.

^^^

Thanks for the correction. I sincerely appreciate it. Now that you have shown to the whole world how small your dyck is, can we now move on to something more important?

mitofag:

^^^

Thanks for the correction. I sincerely appreciate it. Now that you have shown to the whole world how small your dyck is, c[b]an we now move on to something more important?[/b]

We certainly can - such as showing the whole world how stupendously dimwitted you are.

SEFAGO:

Nah, Why should I be? I just get irritated when people make Nairaland sound like Nature or Science where what you type is validated as word.


I already acknowledged their relevance. I pointed out that they made good janitors.

Its really what the percentile is for a 2:2. Its very rare to meet a 3rd class graduate so I think my guesstimate that its less than average is correct? I have met quite a large number of Nigerian 2:2 and they are individually capable of wrecking a company or causing significant damage with a magnitude similar to that of Boko Haram. Usually, I am not vitriolic, but tbh but I have met some really stoopid ones.

Your example is way out there. In all sane countries, the path to being a doctor- and hiring practices for doctors are very rigorous, I will not be asking such questions.

Technically, they allow 2:2 people apply, we would need statistics with regards how many employed were 2:2 to buttress your suggestion that they "hire them".

While I agree with SEFAGO on some of his points (I have stated my position earlier), I think he has gone to the extreme. I have met some not-so-intelligent 2.2 guys but I have also met very intelligent 2.2 and even 3rd class graduates. While I believe that on the average, 2.1 and 1st class guys are better than their 2.2 guys, there is absolutely no limit for anybody, irrespective of his class of degree, to reach his/her heights wrt career achievement. It all depends on how you motivate yourself. I am a top students, but I have met challenges that I had to result to help. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN CAREER SUCCESS IS ATTITUDE AND NOT PAST ACHIEVEMENT OR CLASS OF DEGREE. My attitude has kept me going, not my high CGPA. I believe that 2.2 guys can be as relevant as THEY CHOOSE TO BE.

SEFAGO:

Nah, Why should I be? I just get irritated when people make Nairaland sound like Nature or Science where what you type is validated as word.


I already acknowledged their relevance. I pointed out that they made good janitors.

Its really what the percentile is for a 2:2. Its very rare to meet a 3rd class graduate so I think my guesstimate that its less than average is correct? I have met quite a large number of Nigerian 2:2 and they are individually capable of wrecking a company or causing significant damage with a magnitude similar to that of Boko Haram. Usually, I am not vitriolic, but tbh but I have met some really stoopid ones.

Your example is way out there. In all sane countries, the path to being a doctor- and hiring practices for doctors are very rigorous, I will not be asking such questions.

Technically, they allow 2:2 people apply, we would need statistics with regards how many employed were 2:2 to buttress your suggestion that they "hire them".

While I agree with SEFAGO on some of his points (I have stated my position earlier), I think he has gone to the extreme. I have met some not-so-intelligent 2.2 guys but I have also met very intelligent 2.2 and even 3rd class graduates. While I believe that on the average, 2.1 and 1st class guys are better than their 2.2 guys, there is absolutely no limit for anybody, irrespective of his class of degree, to reach his/her heights wrt career achievement. It all depends on how you motivate yourself. I am a top students, but I have met challenges that I had to result to help. THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN CAREER SUCCESS IS ATTITUDE AND NOT PAST ACHIEVEMENT OR CLASS OF DEGREE. My attitude has kept me going, not my high CGPA. I believe that 2.2 guys can be as relevant as THEY CHOOSE TO BE.

I meant to say I am a top graduate, but I have met challenges that I had to resort to help. And what has kept me going in my career is my attitude and my zeal for excellence and not my high CGPA.

debosky:

Epic fail.

The correct usage is 'teeming'. . . .so much for Mr Foreign Graduate.

Now back to the topic.

Oh dear, dear, dear! I no fit shout

mitofag:

^^^

Thanks for the correction. I sincerely appreciate it. Now that you have shown to the whole world how small your dyck is, can we now move on to something more important?

What's wrong darling ? Is this all you are going to say? Aren't you going to follow up with some curses or get a new moniker like debodyke or something along those lines ?

debosky:

Epic fail.

The correct usage is 'teeming'. . . .so much for Mr Foreign Graduate.

Now back to the topic.

Another piece of irrationality that dominates a lot of the anti-2:2 brigade is a seeming lack of awareness of the arbitrariness and singularity of the cut off point between 2:1 and 2:2.

From my understanding, you need a 3.50 and above to get a 2:1, while a 3.49 earns you a 2:2. Consider the case of two individuals who get grades 3.49 and 3.50 respectively - how reasonable is it to assume that the 3.50 graded individual is clearly better than someone with 3.49?

Of course I appreciate that not all 2:2 graduates finish on the cusp of 2:1, but it does show that any arbitrarily set deterministic value of GPA is inherently flawed, especially close to the boundaries between two grades.

That said, I do agree with the view of many that you should not 'base' your life on exceptions. There are 'many' players making £50k per week playing football in the premiership, but there are millions of others that failed to reach that level.

In simple terms - be realistic, yet ambitious. A 2:2 graduate needs to recognise the considerable obstacles he/she faces, while looking at the average and exceptional performances to see how he/she can bridge the gap.

There have been discussions around degree classifications and its misuse to judge ability.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1407263/Ministers-want-colleges-to-scrap-degree-grades.html
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=191748&sectioncode=26

Maybe when the whiteman does it then we will have people with follow-follow, the-white-man-is-always-right mentality and who lack originality-in-thinking here start screaming "it is fantastic and great 'progress' and Nigeria is backward and need to change to follow the progress".

A confidential review of the degree classification system has been ordered by Margaret Hodge, the minister for higher education - who left the London School of Economics with a third-class degree - ahead of a White Paper on university funding, expected next month.

This is gradually turning into academic war o. Is she doing this because she graduated with a 3rd or is it because of the inadequacy of degree classifications? Inasmuch as there will be a form of reward system in the universities i doubt if the current discrimination based on class of degree will be entirely wiped-out. For me, i think unemployment is the major reason for the current discrimination. So long as there are very few available jobs there will still be discrimination in terms of class of degree, prestige of institution, course of study and the likes. They are just pursuing shadows.

Sagamite:


[size=18pt]Research shows people have different learning styles and different stages of academic peak[/size]. A structured and narrow educational system that is utilised globally for expedient reasons does not take this into context. Worse still in a failed system like Nigeria where people have to cram to excel and people do courses that is not ideal for their ability because the environment provides success possibilities for very few courses.
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Sagamighty! Sagasagamiowon! Sagacious Saga; The intellectual God of awon "C" students. You don dey dey fall my nyansh ooooo . So for all the shout about research shows this, research shows that, is this all we gonna get? I called out of work, just so I could be the first person to read your so called "research" and this is what I am gonna get? Since yesterday, this is all you could come up with? An article from PM News? or abi na Telegraph ( Which is even worse than PM News  )

Sagamite, wetin dey shele? Omo  make I no lie you, you disappoint me for real. O disappoint awon boyz mehn. My five year old nephew, given the same amount of time as your intellectual self, would have done waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the Telegraph. Seriously, SagaCCCCCCCCC?

Sagamite:

[size=18pt]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1407263/Ministers-want-colleges-to-scrap-degree-grades.html
http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=191748&sectioncode=26[/size]

Maybe when the whiteman does it then we will have people with follow-follow, the-white-man-is-always-right mentality and who lack originality-in-thinking here start screaming "it is fantastic and great 'progress' and Nigeria is backward and need to change to follow the progress".

PS: So all this enu rofo about research and what not is just to impress your dem dem dem? Well, if that is what it is, you are doing great. Just treat dem dem dem well, ara wa ni. Thats all!

mr sagamite, i see from your threads that u seem to knw quite alot bout uk unis so i wud like to ask if u knw anything bout cranfield uni or if u knew ppl dt went dere?