coogar:

now i know you are on a wind up.
there were no cultists in oau. . . . .they were chickens.
group of boys lying to themselves in the bush they were cultists. . . . . .report one of them to awo boys and watch them flee the campus for months.
is that your idea of cultism?

I hate people like you. I n fact I hate all disaporans. You stay in your cheap apt in some ghetto neighborhood in London and somehow you just think you know everything going on in Nigeria.


Ode oshi!

Olodo atole!

I spent all my OAU life in Awo. Was I a cultist?

Well, FYI, OAU has the least tolerance for cultiism in Naija unversities. Students catch cultists themselves, beat the hell out of them, before handing them over to security. Ever heard of maximum shi shi?

The July 10, 1999 cultists invasion was externally planned and executed on our campus because they were finding OAU campus difficult to penetrate. In fact, the attack was to retaliate the earlier apprehension of some student-cultists by SU and fellow students months earlier.

How can anyone say Awo boys=cultists? Awo boys are even the ones that lead the war against cultism and spearhead the apprehension and subsequent punishing of cultists and other sundry offenders.

Jarus:

Hae always been relevant. Ajanlekoko and Oyb, perhaps the most valuable career 'consultants' and two of the smartest contributors to NL career section,  are 2.2 grads. That says a lot, but then, not everyone is as smart as these guys, so try get a higher grade to give you some starting advantage. Oyb, for example, is my senior colleague(though an Engineer and me an Accouuntant) and his smartness in real world is easily visiblee from first physical meeting.

Thank God, I don't use degree class to judge people.

Thank God, I am smart enough to know degree in one field is not a good measure of intelligence or hardly any other thing apart from knowledge and aptitude in that field.

I judge people on their espoused thinking and utterances! That is why I was never wrong about those 2 brilliant guys.

PhD my arse!

coogar:

now i know you are on a wind up.
there were no cultists in oau. . . . .they were chickens.
group of boys lying to themselves in the bush they were cultists. . . . . .report one of them to awo boys and watch them flee the campus for months.
is that your idea of cultism?

May be u did not read my last post well. Awo Boys are Eiye confraternity in disguise that was why they had the 1999 fracas with . Its now obvious that you don't know much about Nigeria and her University system. You are a google Nigerian like many NLanders.

Jarus:

I spent all my OAU life in Awo. Was I a cultist?
Well, FYI, OAU has the least tolerance for cultiism in Naija unversities. Students catch cultism themselves, beat the hell out of them, before handing them over to security. Ever heard maximum shi shi?
The July 10, 1999 cultists invasion was externally planned and executed on our campus because they were finding OAU campus difficult to perpetrate. In fact, the attack was to retaliate the earlier apprehension of some student-cultists by SU and fellow students months earlier.
How can anyone say Awo boys=cultists? Awo boys are even the ones that lead the war against cultism and spearhead the apprehension and subsequent punishing of cultists and other sundry offenders.

I don't know what external members are doing in OAU if they don't have members there.

Even one of the contributors on this thread that passed out from OAU is a member

maybe u missed this.

^^^

I dont think Oyb is that smart. How hard is it to graduate with a 2:1 from the same department where Becomrich graduated with a First-Class.

doncaster:

May be u did not read my last post well. Awo Boys are Eiye confraternity in disguise that was why they had the 1999 fracas with . Its now obvious that you don't know much about Nigeria and her University system. You are a google Nigerian like many NLanders.
I don't know what external members are doing in OAU if they don't have members there.
maybe u missed this.

I never said there were no cultists, I said the school 'least tolerated' them, in actual fact, the tolerance level is zero. Mere suspicion of you being a cultist in OAU puts you in serious trouble with students. So they operated with maximum secrecy, compared to the openness with which they operated in other institutions.

For you to say Awo boys are cultists, then you dont know anything about OAU. Awo boys are practically the self-appointed, unorganized anti-cultism group on OAU campus.

Probably you're interpreting Awo boys' funny pranks(aro) as culstism?

woetooam4j:

^^^

I dont think Oyb is that smart. How hard is it to graduate with a 2:1 from the same department where Becomrich graduated with a First-Class.

Oyb studied electrical engineering, BCR electricity engineering. Becomrich is the only product of that department. The dept was shut down after his graduation.

Jarus:

Oyb studied electrical engineering, BCR electricity engineering. Becomrich is the only product of that department. The dept was shut down after his graduation.

And Oyb cant even speak Batu? Smart ko, smart ni


Long Live BCR
Long Live Oyebambam
Long Live the smartest NL

Wait a minute, was the department really shut down after Musiwa graduated? lol

Sagamite:

@topic

What a stewpid question!

What is your metric for societal relevance? And how did a 2:2 grad fail according to that metric?

So knowledge in ONE field is the tool to determine if someone is relevant to society or not?

Abilities to pass exams is the tool to determine if someone is relevant to society or not?

Please don't make me vomit with such thinking.

If I was to hire or appoint people for a non-technical role, a topical discussion of 30mins about current affairs, in my view, is a better tool than any academic qualification (except in Philosophy).

If I was recruiting, I will dump majority of the HR hulabula and incorporate such a discussion.

If I asked you to talk about a topic like leadership in Nigeria and you talk like an average Niaralander, there is no way you will get the role even with 1st class (top of your graduating set) and 2 PhDs.

Best post!!! Sagamu, put a towel over your head before your head burst into flames on account of the swelling

naijababe:

Best post!!! Sagamu, put a towel over your head before your head burst into flames on account of the swelling

There are 2 problems with the portion you highlighted . . . note he said hiring for a NON-TECHNICAL post . . . i'm sure you wont be talking current affairs to a prospective candidate for a chemical engineering position. How do you judge then?

Secondly, you cant just throw HR out the window unless you are a small business. If you're in a multinational that employs hundreds to thousands how do you spend 30 mins discussing current affairs with each of them?

naijababe:

Best post!!! Sagamu, put a towel over your head before your head burst into flames on account of the swelling 

Messi will not get ecstatic scoring against St Kitts and Nevis, he is used to scoring and the opposing team will have to be harder to score against for him to be over the moon.

I am used to such praise, sweetie. I will need all the Yoruba Gods (Sango, Ogun, Erinle etc) to call me on my Not-9-Not all in one day, everyday for week to tell me they think I am "The Intellectual One" before I get a towel.

You people talk too much

^^ You said kill them?

Winch

Jarus:

Oyb studied electrical engineering, BCR electricity engineering. Becomrich is the only product of that department. The dept was shut down after his graduation.

Why am I not surprised? That guy must have destroyed the department with satellite images.

davidylan:

There are 2 problems with the portion you highlighted . . . note he said hiring for a NON-TECHNICAL post . . . i'm sure you wont be talking current affairs to a prospective candidate for a chemical engineering position. How do you judge then?

Secondly, you cant just throw HR out the window unless you are a small business. If you're in a multinational that employs hundreds to thousands how do you spend 30 mins discussing current affairs with each of them?

Well, I happen to work for a multinational company (whose sole business is technical) and in a very technical role too. My employers have devised their own way of judging every prospect using methods that as far as I'm aware isn't widespread. Sometimes, the class of a degree is a fair metric a person's abilities but not always and if you are truly seeking to get the best talents, emphasis on paper qualification will be somewhat lower.

davidylan:

There are 2 problems with the portion you highlighted . . . note he said hiring for a NON-TECHNICAL post . . . i'm sure you wont be talking current affairs to a prospective candidate for a chemical engineering position. How do you judge then?

Secondly, you cant just throw HR out the window unless you are a small business. If you're in a multinational that employs hundreds to thousands how do you spend 30 mins discussing current affairs with each of them?

I said I will dump "majority" of the HR hulabula (especially the competency questions utter jargons), not all. Things like case study, mock scenarios are useful.

If I was employing thousands at entry level, I will have multiple streams.

1) Definitely I would have a stream that requires those with 2.1 and above in certain fields.

2) I will have another stream that is specifically for those that those without 2.1 and above.

3) I will have a stream for those that have been unemployed since graduation (just to help under-privileged Nigerians).

Most likely (1) will take 50% of my vacancies and the other half will go to the rest.

I will not share (2) and (3) because:

a) When I start using it in future, saying it now might blow my anonymity.

b) They are formats I should charge for, not share for free.

If I was running a multinational, all I need to do is cascade responsibility of 30-mins chat to the few I have identified as the clerisy in the firm. Strategy Consultancies do this.

I am not a follower, never been. I have never been scared to be unconventional and a maverick that pauses and take a different look from what everyone else is doing. Actually that is my life's signature (E.g. "To hell with religion" or "abrasive approach on NL" or "culture", if some societal norm is not apt, I either ignore it or question then try and do it better my own way. So please don't doubt the feasibility of my plans even though I am not revealing.

Sagamite:

I said I will dump "majority" of the HR hulabula (especially the competency questions utter jargons), not all. Things like case study, mock scenarios are useful.

If I was employing thousands at entry level, I will have multiple streams.

1) Definitely I would have a stream that requires those with 2.1 and above in certain fields.

2) I will have another stream that is specifically for those that those without 2.1 and above.

3) I will have a stream for those that have been unemployed since graduation (just to help under-privileged Nigerians).

Most likely (1) will take 50% of my vacancies and the other half will go to the rest.

I will not share (2) and (3) because:

a) When I start using it in future, saying it now might blow my anonymity.

b) They are formats I should charge for, not share for free.

If I was running a multinational, all I need to do is cascade responsibility of 30-mins chat to the few I have identified as the clerisy in the firm. Strategy Consultancies do this.

I am not a follower, never been. I have never been scared to be unconventional and a maverick that pauses and take a different look from what everyone else is doing. Actually that is my life's signature (E.g. "To hell with religion" or "abrasive approach on NL". So please don't doubt the feasibility of my plans even though I am not revealing.

The truth is, there are no sure ways of getting the ''best'' candidate for the job. Organisations only devise approaches/metrics they consider pertinent in getting a suitable candidate for the job.  At the end, what they get is a candidate who is able to scale through all the recruitment huddles (test, interviews, assessment day etc) and not necessarily one who can do the job.

If i were to own a company i would rather take entry level employees through internship/NYSC. I would open doors for students seeking to intern with my company, and in the process identify those who have certain skill set that may be/are required in the organisation.

chamber2:

The truth is, there are no sure ways of getting the ''best'' candidate for the job. Organisations only devise approaches/metrics they consider pertinent in getting a suitable candidate for the job.  At the end, what they get is a candidate who is able to scale through all the recruitment huddles (test, interviews, assessment day etc) and not necessarily one who can do the job.

If i were to own a company i would rather take entry level employees through internship/NYSC. I would open doors for students seeking to intern with my company, and in the process identify those who have certain skill set that may be/are required in the organisation.

There is no way someone can fake or prepare for an inchoate, random chat about anything and everything. Such stuff should form the bulk of recruitment (especially for smaller firms). Strategy Consultancies engage in this practice in getting their talent.

Organisations might not be able to achieve perfection but they can do better than they are doing now.

Sagamite:

There is no way someone can fake or prepare for an inchoate, random chat about anything and everything. Such stuff should form the bulk of recruitment (especially for smaller firms). Strategy Consultancies engage in this practice in getting their talent.

Organisations might not be able to achieve perfection but they can do better than they are doing now.

Most of the HR guys are just lazy and conservative. I once attended an Apt test/interview at Ernest and Young, Nigeria and was amazed at their nonprofessional and haphazard approach to recruitment. This is supposed to be an in't coy. Imagine people struggling to write a test as late as 7-8 PM!

Your approach seems plausible, companies like shell and the likes seem to use it. But how many organisations will have the luxury (time, money, personal) to handle such an approach to recruitment, especially when it is mass recruitment.It is ideal for small companies as you identified, those employing very few people where overall intelligence is required to perform the job well.

chamber2:

Most of the HR guys are just lazy and conservative. I once attended an Apt test/interview at Ernest and Young, Nigeria and was amazed at their nonprofessional and haphazard approach to recruitment. This is supposed to be an in't coy. Imagine people struggling to write a test as late as 7-8 PM!

Your approach seems plausible, companies like shell and the likes seem to use it. But how many organisations will have the luxury (time, money, personal) to handle such an approach to recruitment, especially when it is mass recruitment.It is ideal for small companies as you identified, those employing very few people where overall intelligence is required to perform the job well.

We are Giant of Africa na!

chamber2:

[b]The truth is, there are no sure ways of getting the ''best'' candidate for the job. [/b]Organisations only devise approaches/metrics they consider pertinent in getting a suitable candidate for the job.  At the end, what they get is a candidate who is able to scale through all the recruitment huddles (test, interviews, assessment day etc) and not necessarily one who can do the job.

If i were to own a company i would rather take entry level employees through internship/NYSC. I would open doors for students seeking to intern with my company, and in the process identify those who have certain skill set that may be/are required in the organisation.

Nah, Sagamite's way is the best. He is damn good. And his method has awesome validity and yes, very reliable too.

fagamite

chamber2:

fagamite

Whats funny? Sagamite is the best!

It's quite an irony sha. In the same Nigeria where 2:1 vs 2:2 is a major bone of contention for hiring locals, the same industries are chock-full of Indian, Lebanese, Pakistani, Malay, Filipino, and these days even Chinese 'executives' and 'specialists'. I suppose they are all first class and 2:1 grads?

When the financial sector was 'booming', some banks were busy hiring first and 2:1 grads to man front office jobs like teller, and even to go out on the streets for funds canvassing. Now they are hiring OND holders to man the same tills

fagamoron:

Whats funny? Sagamite is the best!

Fstranger, you just love starting shyt you know you would lose?

You like being repeatedly banned?

AjanleKoko:

It's quite an irony sha. In the same Nigeria where 2:1 vs 2:2 is a major bone of contention for hiring locals, the same industries are chock-full of Indian, Lebanese, Pakistani, Malay, Filipino, and these days even Chinese 'executives' and 'specialists'. I suppose they are all first class and 2:1 grads?

When the financial sector was 'booming', some banks were busy hiring first and 2:1 grads to man front office jobs like teller, and even to go out on the streets for funds canvassing. Now they are hiring OND holders to man the same tills

Those are the kinds of things I regard as silly, because everyone is doing it does not mean I should follow-follow.

If I was hiring for such role all I would need in regards to academics is the ability to read, write and have a "C" grade in SSCE Mathematics and English. Any degree will not give you an advantage.

Sagamite:

Fstranger, you just love starting shyt you know you would lose?

You like being repeatedly banned?

Those are the kinds of things I regard as silly, because everyone is doing it does not mean I should follow-follow.

After seeing what you look like; your ghetto haircut, the cheap coat ( In the sun  ), the fake bag and your poverty-driven  lifestyle. I feel ashamed and disgusted that I have to interact with you on here.

Just so you know, I live in Manhattan. Nuff said

You are not on my levels! I am sorry.


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I am A BIG BOI, UNLIKE YOU NIGGER!

Sagamite:

Those are the kinds of things I regard as silly, because everyone is doing it does not mean I should follow-follow.

If I was hiring for such role all I would need in regards to academics is the ability to read, write and have a "C" grade in SSCE Mathematics and English. Any degree will not give you an advantage.

Abi oh.
If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs.

But for every single job?

AjanleKoko:

Abi oh.
If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs.

But for every single job?

Now we know La Sagamite got  "C" in Mathematics. Impressive. Smart boy La Sagamite!

Intellectual God of "C" students

AjanleKoko:

Abi oh.
If we are talking some high-powered consulting role, talent program, or research job, well, sure you want to hire those who have done excellently well in school. Makes sense to go for the top of the class in those niche jobs.

But for every single job?

You'll be surprised to learn that this not limited to Nigeria.

naijababe:

You'll be surprised to learn that this not limited to Nigeria.

Not at all.

AjanleKoko:

It's quite an irony sha. In the same Nigeria where 2:1 vs 2:2 is a major bone of contention for hiring locals, the same industries are chock-full of Indian, Lebanese, Pakistani, Malay, Filipino, and these days even Chinese 'executives' and 'specialists'. I suppose they are all first class and 2:1 grads?

When the financial sector was 'booming', some banks were busy hiring first and 2:1 grads to man front office jobs like teller, and even to go out on the streets for funds canvassing. Now they are hiring OND holders to man the same tills

Let me contextualize this: I am talking about 2:2 graduates in the Nigerian context not with regards to other countries. I am unfamiliar with higher education in India et al. I dont want to talk about other countries because it gets messy. I am also referring to entry-level positions not when someone has built significant experience and maturity. Like for example someone mentioned you give good career advise so as to negate the fact that you got a 2:2: but such knowledge you have with regards from careers in Nigeria is based on experience and maturity not on pure academic ability in its self. Its moreover irrelevant knowledge that is useful only in a forum like Nairaland populated with people too lazy to Google or find stuff by themselves independently assuming of course you do not want to start a career consultancy firm to help fresh graduates. Basically your knowledge is great for 2:2 graduates. Moreover, typing long treatises on Nairaland is not an employable skill or something I value strongly. Any i/d/iot can type and validate their opinions.

I tend to be more impressed with smart, efficient and hardworking people. Usually a 1st class in Nigeria is reflective of that. It means you were top of the curve; it means despite PHCN and all the stress you were able to scale through and are pretty focussed.  

I only know what happens generally in Nigeria. I admit I spoke rashly (well technically I was trolling initially  ), but I also believe that a lot of 2:2 grads got their results based on working less than there are peers. There are going to be a lot of outliers- people from poor homes, people who had some family situation or whatnot, and other things. However exceptions don't provide sufficient evidence for a general rule.

In general, I only have respect for people at the top end of the intellectual curve, 2:2 tells me you have a low chance of being located within such a select group of people. I dont have time for internet gangstas who type career advice online. That's fluff to me.

^^^

That was unnecessary

I want the old SEFAGO back. The more witty and nice and awesome SEFAGO


SEFAGO, have you had s3x this week?

SEFAGO, have you had s3x this week?

No I haven't. That's why I am so grumpy

Voulez vous coucher avec moi? I also do men too (roll eyes)

I want the old SEFAGO back. The more witty and nice and awesome SEFAGO

Dont blame, its just that NL is unique in that you can also be the participant and the judge in a "beauty contest". The participant in the insecure quest for asserting ones opinion, and the judge for justifying the quality of ones contribution. Additionally, justification of the latter tends to be heavily biased towards ones intellectual ability- so average people are impressed when someone gives them information that is pervasive all over the internet if they just make the effort to be proactive. Part of the Nigerian mentality here I guess.

Basically, my point being, NL or what someone writes on NL is not sufficient evidence of ability. So the fact that Ajanlekoko and oyb might "type intelligently" (read that intelligence is indeed quite subjectively defined), does not negate the fact that 2:2 graduates tend to be "bleep-ups". Same way that because bill gates dropped out from college does not mean that every one who drops out of college has a high probability of yielding a multi-billion dollar start up. Or that someone was successful without going to schools. An argument built on exceptions tends to be unconvincing.