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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by paymentvoucher: 12:36pm On Mar 27, 2023
YES!

We are enjoying the privileges of a state in Abuja.

1. Taxes are no longer going to FIRS, we remit to Federal Capital Territory Internal Revenue Service (FCT IRS), like all other states have their State Board of Internal Revenue.
2. Health Insurance are no longer with NHIS, we have FCT Health Insurance Scheme, just to mention few...

onatisi:
so this means that abuja too is enjoying the full privileges too of a state and that it is just another state, judging from what you just wrote . then the best thing is for the national assembly to remove the portion causing all these wahala from the constitution


Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by favor914: 12:39pm On Mar 27, 2023
onuman:



Abuja is where the president lives and governs through the boss of the Federal Capital territory.
The makers of the Constitution made getting 25% of the votes from residents of Abuja compulsory for every presidential candidate because one must get approval from the people one governs, so that the governance system will be with ease.
Abuja is considered the 37th state pursuant to the provisions of section 299 of the constitution, so if Tinubu has the 25% in 2/3 of the 36 states already as constitutionally mandated, getting 25% in ABJ the 37th state becomes irrelevant.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by SmartyPants(m): 12:41pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


That is why they have electoral college there, Hilary Clinton won majority votes but Trump was declared winner because he won the electoral college with a better spread.

That is what the FCT stands for here, it is like our electoral college..

Not at all.

No one region is given that power as you're suggesting here. That is against the very idea of the electoral college.

It works in principle, to minimize the might of larger states, and amplify that of smaller states so that no one region or state will be able to produce or determine the presidency. In terms of an equivalent, the overall requirement of 1/4 of 2/3 of the States and the FCT is our equivalent to the electoral college.

Vesting such powers in the FCT alone, above other States, would achieve the opposite effect by making the FCT vote more powerful than others.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by okuta007: 12:41pm On Mar 27, 2023
SmartyPants:


These are valid points but the fact is, that's just the way it is because of the peculairity of our federal system which is in many ways modelled after the US system. Taking that system as an example, Washington DC is the equivalent of our FCT, but they don't have a governor and the president doesn't require any special number of winning votes in DC either.

DC residents may not like it but that's how it is, and alternate arrangements would come with their own challenges. The same is true for us.


shorrop there and stop comparing DC status to FCT in Nigeria - why because we have separate constitutions - IF you must copy and paste American constitution now for convenience to help the Tinubu case - please copy and paste the electoral college system into your argument too - you can not pick and choose the parts of the US constitution to make reference to - please adopt the 2nd amendment too “the right to bear arms” so urchins like you and MC Oluomo can be easily neutralized by patriotic armed citizens during elections when you come to snatch ballot boxes

agbaya
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Electorate: 12:41pm On Mar 27, 2023
N3TRAL:
There's no contention here. Even Atiku's and Obi's lead counsels know they have no case.

If we no ginger clients to file cases in court, how litigation lawyers go take chop?




ASIWAJU IS COMING !




You should have been intelligent enough to ask Falana which part of the Nigerian constitution told him FCT is the 37th state and why it doesn't have a governor, Senate and House of Representative member...urchins don't use their brains.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by SmartyPants(m): 12:42pm On Mar 27, 2023
okuta007:



shut up and stop comparing DC status to FCT in Nigeria - why because we have separate constitutions - of you are trying to copy and paste American constitution now for convenience to help the Tinubu case - please copy and paste the electoral college system into your argument too - you can not pick and choose the part fo the US constitution to make reference to - please adopt the 2nd amendment too “the right to bear arms” so urchins like you and mC Oluomo can be easily neutralized by armed citizens during elections when they come to snatch ballot boxes

agbaya

https://www.mentalhelp.net/

If you can still type semi-coherently as you've done here, it's not too late. Wish you a full recovery.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by yusfatedeeprof(m): 12:43pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


Where in the law did you see that says Abuja should be treated as a state because of election?
Try to be open to correction, it's going to help you in life.

Abuja is not a state, can't be a state and won't be a state, but you can get your 25% there, is this clear for you?

They are not try to give Abuja any special status but to allow Abuja since it's not a state to be part of where your 25% can come from.

Example is Peter Obi who got 25% in 16 states which is inclusive of Abuja which is not a state. Without the law including Abuja, Peter Obi would have only got 25% in 15 states even if he wins Abuja vote by 99%.

If the law doesn't recognize Abuja to be treated as if it were a state, Abuja won't be part of where your 25% can come from.

Check section 299 of the constitution.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by paymentvoucher: 12:44pm On Mar 27, 2023
FUNNY COMMENT!!! grin grin grin

That's why the constitution made it clear that FCT is a state when it comes to Election in section 199 of the Nigerian Constitution. The residents of FCT have the right to vote and be voted for which was why it was captured in the section 134 of the constitution. If not, votes from FCT will not valid.

FCT doesn't have any special treatment when it comes to election. FCT is a STATE like the other 36 states when it comes to election.
onuman:



Abuja is where the president lives and governs through the boss of the Federal Capital territory.
The makers of the Constitution made getting 25% of the votes from residents of Abuja compulsory for every presidential candidate because one must get approval from the people one governs, so that the governance system will be with ease.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by okuta007: 12:45pm On Mar 27, 2023
SmartyPants:


https://www.mentalhelp.net/

If you can still type semi-coherently as you've done here, it's not too late. Wish you a full recovery.

am glad you know where to treat yourself - please use your information to find help for you snd your likes

ozuor
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by NairaMaster1(m): 12:45pm On Mar 27, 2023
raskymonojendor:
Obidients won't like this news. I am sure they would say Falana has been bribed by Tinubu grin
Lazy youth. Go and read the news please. Haba! Very Lazy!
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by MightySparrow: 12:45pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


Yes....

Hahahagrin
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by favor914: 12:46pm On Mar 27, 2023
onuman:


You Oduduwa Republic agitators want to have the judiciary to rewrite the constitution of Nigeria.
Tinubu people boasted that Tinubu influenced the appointments of many judges in the upper courts of today. That's why Oduduwa Republic agitators want the Judiciary to rewrite the constitution and make Abuja the 37th state of Nigeria. BUT Nigeria has been having 36 states and Abuja since 1996. Abuja is recognised in the Constitution as Federal Capital Territory governed by the president via the boss of the Federal Capital territory.
It seems you have a comprehension disability?

299. The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by NairaMaster1(m): 12:47pm On Mar 27, 2023
ProtectMyMoney:


Another Senior Agbero of Nigeria (SAN) Femi Falana interpreting rubbish..for many years, no Agbero has interpreted Abuja to be a 37th state because it cannot have a Governor.

Check the constitution Sir. It says 25% in the 36 states including the FCT.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Brendaniel: 12:47pm On Mar 27, 2023
favor914:
How are just extremely ignorant which is never an excuse in law, if you read the paragraph thoroughly, you will see it ended with accordingly.

Which means that it affects every & any other part of the constitution.

You guys are so funny, if it was a state, can you show me any document like Abuja state government....
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by OGHENAOGIE(m): 12:47pm On Mar 27, 2023
onuman:

Tinubu through the expert vote rigger Supreme Court governor of Imo state got 25% of votes in Imo state.

Abuja is recognised in the Constitution as Federal Capital Territory, not a State. The characteristics of a Nigerian state is it has a state governor and state legislature. Abuja has neither state governor nor state legislator.
The president of Nigeria governs Abuja through the office of the boss of the Federal Capital territory.

The makers of the Constitution want a Nigerian presidential candidate to score 25% of votes of Abuja residents as a prerequisite to be welcome by residents of Abuja that the president governs.
Abuja as a state is only in the figments of imagination of whoever calls Abuja a state in order to achieve a devious goal.
tinubu no get 25 percent for any Igboland stopp lying... Obi got 77 percent in IMO so how tinubu take get 25 percent for imo?? The entire Igboland Atiku tinubu no see 25 percent but u want to lie here when u guys voted for ur chequered Messiah...

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Brendaniel: 12:48pm On Mar 27, 2023
yusfatedeeprof:

Try to be open to correction, it's going to help you in life.

Abuja is not a state, can't be a state and won't be a state, but you can get your 25% there, is this clear for you?

They are not try to give Abuja any special status but to allow Abuja since it's not a state to be part of where your 25% can come from.

Example is Peter Obi who got 25% in 16 states which is inclusive of Abuja which is not a state. Without the law including Abuja Peter Obi would have only got 25% in 15 states even if he wins Abuja vote by 99%. If the law doesn't recognize Abuja to be treated as if it were a state.

Check section 299 of the constitution.

You guys keep quoting this section 299, it is for a specific law..
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Shattuck(m): 12:49pm On Mar 27, 2023
GeneralPula:

But during elections, FCT is treated like a state.. Making 37th states during elections..

For law to recognize any election in Nigeria, it needs to hold in a state. This is why FCT is made 37th state during election. So that any votes you secure from there won’t be a waste. That’s why. Nothing else..
if Abuja is indeed a state why does it not have a governor or a state house of assembly the only thing that indicates a state is the seat of power and sovereignty, falana's argument can't hold water.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Brendaniel: 12:49pm On Mar 27, 2023
SmartyPants:


Not at all.

No one region is given that power as you're suggesting here. That is against the very idea of the electoral college.

It works in principle, to minimize the might of larger states, and amplify that of smaller states so that no one region or state will be able to produce or determine the presidency. In terms of an equivalent, the overall requirement of 1/4 of 2/3 of the States and the FCT is our equivalent to the electoral college.

Vesting such powers in the FCT alone, above other States, would achieve the opposite effect by making the FCT vote more powerful than others.

That is the special privilege Abuja has...
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by adekolaelect(m): 12:52pm On Mar 27, 2023
Cooldowntemper:
Bola Ahmed Tinubu is a criminal
like your Biology fellow.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by onuman: 12:53pm On Mar 27, 2023
paymentvoucher:
FUNNY COMMENT!!! grin grin grin

That's why the constitution made it clear that FCT is a state when it comes to Election in section 199 of the Nigerian Constitution. The residents of FCT have the right to vote and be voted for which was why it was captured in the section 134 of the constitution. If not, votes from FCT will not valid.

FCT doesn't have any special treatment when it comes to election. FCT is a STATE like the other 36 states when it comes to election.

Abuja is not a state. The Constitution of Nigeria did not recognise Abuja as a state. The Constitution of Nigeria said: a presidential candidate must win 25% of votes in 2/3 of the number of Nigeria's states .. And Abuja.
If I need 24 persons and Mr Voucher, if the 24 persons come to me without Mr Voicher, my need has not been met without the arrival of Mr Voucher.
The same way the constitution says 24 states AND Abuja.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by SmartyPants(m): 12:53pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


That is the special privilege Abuja has...

That's what we're saying. The Supreme Court has ruled several years ago that the FCT has no such privilege. It is to be treated as a State, though not one.

Well, we can agree to disagree.

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Segzy19: 12:54pm On Mar 27, 2023
Another balablu for Obidients...🤣🤣🤣
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Cooldowntemper: 12:54pm On Mar 27, 2023
adekolaelect:
like your Biology fellow.

Is that why your biological fellow sleeps with men ?
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by yusfatedeeprof(m): 12:58pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


You guys keep quoting this section 299, it is for a specific law..
I have come to realize that people choose to believe what they choose to believe, there're no hard and fast rules about what people choose to believe grin.

We believe first then try to find a way to bend the argument in our favour.

If Peter Obi had won and gotten 25% in 25 states but didn't get it in Abuja, you'd be at the opposite side of things as we speak grin

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by onuman: 1:00pm On Mar 27, 2023
SmartyPants:


That's what we're saying. The Supreme Court has ruled several years ago that the FCT has no such privilege. It is to be treated as a State, though not one.

Well, we can agree to disagree.

The Supreme Court is not infallible. Even if ruled in the past to regard Abuja as a state, it's ruling was not implemented because Abuja has had no state governor or state legislature after the ruling of convenience to regard Abuja as a state.
Now, there is a dire need to uphold the contents of the constitution, not the old imaginative and unconstitutional ruling of Abuja as a state. There are 36 states and Abuja.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by blaise26abj(m): 1:01pm On Mar 27, 2023
Karlirk:


You are very daft or mischievous. Go and read the said sections. There is the use of EACH of ....AND FCT.


EACH and AND are particular words you must pay attention to. I don't blame the UK for requesting IELTS test before certifying immigrants from developing countries they colonized proficient in the English language. Basic comprehension is a skill.

There can never be thugs in the FCT, like you have in Lagos. Why do you think politicians are careful about rigging in Abuja?
It seems you are genetically idiotic or it is environmentally acquired, . FCT cannot be used in the same sentence as states without clarifying its status in law . Because it is not a state ! . It is a federal administrative city .
The provisions of the law DID NOT give more value to the votes in abuja than the states .

Maybe your stupid , hate filled mind will comprehend this.
If the law states that 2/3 of the states , and the FCT ( note the comma ) . It means the candidate must win 25% of FCT . If it states that it is 2/3 of the state and FCT ( without the comma ) , it means the candidate must win 2/3 of all the states with FCT inclusive . Meaning 2/3 of 37.

Take your own advice and buy brighter grammar .
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Bigchristo: 1:02pm On Mar 27, 2023
ObaIgwe1:


Even though Abuja is not a state, but the constitution say Abuja should be treated as a state

Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria


- So the Governor is - The president who administer it through his/her Minister for FCT

- The lawmakers are the National Assembly members.

And enough of you people using compulsory English language requirement in admission process as same with 25% in Abuja being made compulsory. It is like many of you don't know why English is made compulsory in admission process. The big deal about English is that whatever course you wanna learn will be taught in English Language, so if you cannot communicate in English then you cannot learn the course well, hence the demand for minimum credit in English. If you are going to school in French speaking countries where lectures are given in French Language, no admission requirement will demand for a credit in English but French Language.

Now tell me what make Nigerians in Abuja more Nigerian than the Nigerians in Bayelsa or Bunue or Ogun?

Imagine we have 2 candidates and one won 36 states and a candidate from Abuja won Abuja by 90%, so we will continue to have inconclusive election even if election is done 100 times. Can that be the real understanding of that part of the constitution?

I am not a fan of Asiwaju and I doubt Falana is a fan too.... but it is what it is.
You wrote the full epistle just to explain nonsense, the constitution you copied and paste also said a candidate “must” receive a plurality of the National vote and over 25% vote in at least 24 states of the 36 states and the federal capital territory… it seems you don’t know what Must mean just be capping nonsense

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Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by onuman: 1:08pm On Mar 27, 2023
favor914:
Abuja is considered the 37th state pursuant to the provisions of section 299 of the constitution, so if Tinubu has the 25% in 2/3 of the 36 states already as constitutionally mandated, getting 25% in ABJ the 37th state becomes irrelevant.

Abuja is not a state.
Abuja can only be considered as a state by persons like you (if you are
judge), for your own convenience.
But Nigeria's Constitution recognises 36 states and Abuja, and made it clear in black and white that a presidential candidate must also win 25% of votes in Abuja to be able to govern Abuja.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by paymentvoucher: 1:14pm On Mar 27, 2023
Stop arguing blindly and do some research now... Pick your phone, go to chrome, click on search column, press GOOGLE, click on the search column then press "SECTION 299 of Nigerian Constitution"

Then, come back and continue this conversation.

onuman:


Abuja is not a state. The Constitution of Nigeria did not recognise Abuja as a state. The Constitution of Nigeria said: a presidential candidate must win 25% of votes in 2/3 of the number of Nigeria's states .. And Abuja.
If I need 24 persons and Mr Voucher, if the 24 persons come to me without Mr Voicher, my need has not been met without the arrival of Mr Voucher.
The same way the constitution says 24 states AND Abuja.
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by OlawaleBammie: 1:15pm On Mar 27, 2023
Brendaniel:


If supporting your tribe overrides doing what is right for you then you are doing the wrong thing...
If wat is right for u is to be assassinating my tribe just for u to win me over, then u re doing the wrong thin
Re: Votes Cast In All Parts Of Nigeria Are Equal, Abuja Taken As 37th State - Falana by Brendaniel: 1:15pm On Mar 27, 2023
yusfatedeeprof:

I have come to realize that people choose to believe what they choose to believe, there're no hard or fast rules about what people choose to believe grin.

We believe first then try to find a way to bend the argument in our favour.

If Peter Obi had won and gotten 25% in 25 states but didn't get it in Abuja, you'd be at the opposite side of things as we speak grin

Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria

The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly -

(a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;

(b) all the powers referred to in paragraph (a) of this section shall be exercised in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution; and

(c) the provisions of this Constitution pertaining to the matters aforesaid shall be read with such modifications and adaptations as may be reasonably necessary to bring them into conformity with the provisions of this section.

More: https://jurist.ng/constitution/sec-299

You see what it said there that this law is specific for these purposes listed above not election, I am even explaining this issue on another thread why Abuja has a special status about this section 299, the law is clear on this matter...

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