Workch:
deism is theism but not religion. Hope you dig that.
All theistic beliefs are not religious in nature.
Religion is an organized sect that performs repetitive rituals to a diety, in deism, no one, necessarily need to worship or revere any deity.

You really don’t know much about what you saying.
We have atheistic religions that don’t worship or do rituals to a deity.

Look up the origin of “religion” how it is used then and now.
What is the “religion” of Alexander the Great?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio

Workch:

They are as flawed as theists. Smart people don't jump into conclusions when knowledge is insufficient.

Smart people work on knowledge not beliefs.

Workch:
The chances that universe started on its own and it didn't is still 50:50. So why in a haste to reach a conclusion that something which could be what deist refer as a creator started it?

It chance that aliens exist is still also 50:50. Only evidence can sway this balance.

This is dumb again, because we don’t know how the universe started how does that relate to it’s “deist” that created it?
If you don’t know something; you don’t know something, you don’t start ignorantly assuming.

If not that you are a former theist, why would you think it is a “deist”?

Workch:
There's also no clear path to procuring evidence that the everything started on its own.

The chances that universe started on its own and it didn't is still 50:50. So why in a haste to reach a conclusion that something which could be what deist refer as a creator started it?

It chance that aliens exist is still also 50:50. Only evidence can sway this balance.

You are shifting goal posts. You asked about aliens and wormholes. Besides you shifted the goalpost to the worst thing you could have selected. The origins of the universe is probably something we will never be certain about since it occurred billions of years ago. If that is where you are locating your god then it is as good as useless since it not something we can know so why bother.

Workch:
The probability that aliens exist is 50:50 currently.

Oh yeah?. How did you work out those odds?

Workch:

The probability that something started everything is also 50:50.

Oh yeah? Based on your calculations, what are the odds that nothing started anything that started something that started everything?

Workch:

Only evidence can sway the balance, of you are on the other side of this balanace, you are making a conclusion out of ignorance.

There is nothing to sway and you are making ignorant arguments based on your indoctrination.

Workch:

Atheism is as flawed as theism

While agnosticism is utterly confused.

Workch:

An atheist is like someone who takes a cup of water from the ocean and then concludes that fishes don't exist.

All these your analogies are dumb walai.
An atheist is just a regular person, so if a regular person takes a cup of water from the ocean, he will simply take a cup of water and go.
He is not concluding anything.

It is when another regular person comes and say that “fish” exists in the water.
Won’t you first ask him to define what he means by “fish” as every regular person have never heard the term before, and also ask what are the characteristics of “fish” that makes it to exist in water.

I already told you to define what are the properties of an omniscience thing?
For something to be omniscience and omnipotent what are the characteristics?
Why do you think all a god needs to create a universe is to be omniscience and omnipotent, what if these are least attributes?
What of omnikinesis? Other omnis?

LordReed:


You wey get PhD for lying, you get second? LoLz!

You already started lying in this thread and you had to be cautioned by your cohort. Bwahahahahaha!

LordReed:


The difference being these are things that can have a clear path to procuring evidence for them, not so for a deistic god.

LoLz, anything but God. LoLz squared. What you've never seen has a clear path. Hypocrite number 1.01.

LordReed:


You are shifting goal posts. You asked about aliens and wormholes. Besides you shifted the goalpost to the worst thing you could have selected. The origins of the universe is probably something we will never be certain about since it occurred billions of years ago. If that is where you are locating your god then it is as good as useless since it not something we can know so why bother.

LoLz, do haters of God also have denominations with differing beliefs. If it's not something you can know, how do you know something else happened the same time?

IconicR:
I don't take any atheist seriously, anything you do in secrecy is not worth doing. Atheism is mostly an online thing, most of them have a special sit in their respective churches. Even your Nairaland owner is Adeboye pikin. Be deceiving yourselves.

How do you know this? The Holy Spirit revealed it to you?

IconicR:
Where did you crawl out from? Are you the Nairaland owner? Atheists are easily triggered when hit by the truth so I understand your rage, typical of a true atheist. I'm sure nobody knows in your family that you are an online atheist. Na una celebrate Christmas pass

Last time I checked it was you Christians that go about cursing people on this forum when they hit you where it hurts

https://www.nairaland.com/3169043/#46609215

1Sharon:


How do you know this? The Holy Spirit revealed it to you?

Are you an atheist and does your family know about it

KnownUnknown:


Oh yeah?. How did you work out those odds?

availability fo evidence is the odd. The moment to find evidence for or against, it all changes

Oh yeah? Based on your calculations, what are the odds that nothing started anything that started something that started everything?

availability of evidence for or against. The probability that a flying reindeer without wings exist is zero, gravity is the evidence against it.

There is nothing to sway and you are making ignorant arguments based on your indoctrination.


While agnosticism is utterly confused.

indoctrination is having to knowledge about a thing and still make conclusions about it. Do you have knowledge about the origin of everything? The answer is No

LordReed:


You are shifting goal posts. You asked about aliens and wormholes. Besides you shifted the goalpost to the worst thing you could have selected. The origins of the universe is probably something we will never be certain about since it occurred billions of years ago. If that is where you are locating your god then it is as good as useless since it not something we can know so why bother.

The origin of the universe that we may never is the basis upon which some agnostic reach the conclusion that we may never know if a creator or God exist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Because you cannot know if it exist doesn't mean that it doesn't ot it knows.
We may also never know if a wormhole or aliens exist because of how vast the universe is.

Workch:

availability of evidence for or against. The probability that a flying reindeer without wings exist is zero, gravity is the evidence against it.

What if there are reindeers that defies the laws of gravity?
You should have just waited for us to explore further, knowing fully well that we do not even understand anything yet.

You cannot recognized the fact that what we don't know is way more than what we currently know.
You are close minded already when we can just agree that we don't know, it's why I think it's a silly way of reasoning.

Listen to your advice boy.

Workch:
The origin of the universe that we may never is the basis upon which some agnostic reach the conclusion that we may never know if a creator or God exist.

Instead of solving the problem you are adding to it.
You don’t know the origin of the universe.
You still don’t know if a creator or god exist.

How does this answer anything?

Workch:
The probability that aliens exist is 50:50 currently.

The probability that something started everything is also 50:50.

Only evidence can sway the balance, of you are on the other side of this balanace, you are making a conclusion out of ignorance. Atheism is as flawed as theism

Theism is not flawed. It's only flawed for those who refuse to dig deeper. You can't scratch a surface and reach conclusions on what lies in the depth beneath. Theism involves digging but many don't dig enough. If you dig enough, you'll find.

Workch:
The origin of the universe that we may never is the basis upon which some agnostic reach the conclusion that we may never know if a creator or God exist.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Because you cannot know if it exist doesn't mean that it doesn't ot it knows.
We may also never know if a wormhole or aliens exist because of how vast the universe is.

Except you seem not to be taking into consideration that there is a massive gulf between those 2 categories. A 13billion year gulf.

HisSplendor:


Theism is not flawed. It's only flawed for those who refuse to dig deeper. You can't scratch a surface and reach conclusions on what lies in the depth beneath. Theism involves digging but many don't dig enough. If you dig enough, you'll find.

Find what? If what you are finding is merely a figment of your imagination with no tangibility then what is the point? Might as well enjoy JRR Tolkien or Frank Herbert and call it a day.

LordReed:
Find what? If what you are finding is merely a figment of your imagination with no tangibility then what is the point? Might as well enjoy JRR Tolkien or Frank Herbert and call it a day.

Every find started that way. A figment of the imagination plus red hot curiosity is all that's needed to prove and disprove things. Everything existing around us today started from the figment of someone's imagination. Imagination itself is a trigger point. It's not a destination.

LordReed:


Except you seem not to be taking into consideration that there is a massive gulf between those 2 categories. A 13billion year gulf.

New research says the age of the universe is twice as what we knew before.

HisSplendor:


Every find started that way. A figment of the imagination plus red hot curiosity is all that's needed to prove and disprove things. Everything existing around us today started from the figment of someone's imagination. Imagination itself is a trigger point. It's not a destination.

Nope. The device you are using is not a figment of your imagination, it is real and tangible. Your so called searching and digging is not at any tangible location or for a tangible person. Your digging deep is purely a mental exercise and its results are purely mental.

MayntheeMayn:

New research says the age of the universe is twice as what we knew before.

Really? I haven't seen that.

LordReed:


Really? I haven't seen that.

Please do.

do you know of “amazing resonance experiment”?

Workch quick questions please.

Curious what is the deist god, It's Characteristics/features and why so. And please where or how did you come about this knowledge?

Secondly, I just took a big dump, of course we can't possibly say it is the dump that creates the universe or not since we don't have enough evidence for or against it. Is this what you are insinuating?

Lastly, why can't the deist god be the religious god?

LordReed:


Nope. The device you are using is not a figment of your imagination, it is real and tangible. Your so called searching and digging is not at any tangible location or for a tangible person. Your digging deep is purely a mental exercise and its results are purely mental.

You need to read me again. I never said everything around you is a figment of your imagination. Your phone reference is irrelevant. I said everything around you started as a figment of someone's imagination.

Every dig has its rules. There's a mental side to all digs. There's the faith and hope side.
You Never know what lies under. Digging leads to a destination to prove or disprove. Until you dig, you cannot prove anything. You cannot conclude anything.

HisSplendor:

Every dig has its rules. There's a mental side to all digs. There's the faith and hope side.
You Never know what lies under. Digging leads to a destination to prove or disprove. Until you dig, you cannot prove anything. You cannot conclude anything.

Since nobody has done any digging how did they come up with “god”?

Childfree:
Workch quick questions please.

Curious what is the deist god, It's Characteristics/features and why so. And please where or how did you come about this knowledge?

I don't know, but generally deist agree that this god does not interfere in the proceedings on the universe. I think it's characterisric is unknown. They also argue from ignorance just like atheists: they argue that universe cannot start itself, the opposite of what atheists propose.

Secondly, I just took a big dump, of course we can't possibly say it is the dump that creates the universe or not since we don't have enough evidence for or against it. Is this what you are insinuating?

we don't know what created the universe, we don't even know if the universe was created it not. Atheists and theists should just agree that we don't know.

Lastly, why can't the deist god be the religious god?

Because deism is not an organized sect, where people come together to do rituals and worship a deity. In religion, people worship deities, deists don't. They are usually apathetic to the God, they don't think that it should be worshipped since it doesn't manipulate the universe to Favour anyone.

LordReed:


Except you seem not to be taking into consideration that there is a massive gulf between those 2 categories. A 13billion year gulf.

13billion of big bang doesn't tell how everything started, it only explains how our current perception of reality with respect to spacetime started expanding from singularity.
The appearance of singularity which was an infinite dense matter that contained everything that is in the universe today cannot be explained by science. Science does not know, atheists don't know, nobody knows.

Deists, atheists and theists are just rationalizing their own personal opinions, they don't know anything.

HisSplendor:


Theism is not flawed. It's only flawed for those who refuse to dig deeper. You can't scratch a surface and reach conclusions on what lies in the depth beneath. Theism involves digging but many don't dig enough. If you dig enough, you'll find.

Theism is so flawed that it's more flawed than atheism.
Theism in flawed both from Philosophical and scientific standpoint. It's very flawed that it cannot prove Philosophically if their gods exist, it still cannot provide scientific evidence for its claims.
Theism is a bunch of fallacies by default.
Theism is so flawed that no sane person should be a theist, especially theism that is associated with religion. Religion is an organized fraud in its entirety.

Theism is so ridiculous that it didn't dig anything but creates ridiculous things frm thin air

Workch:

we don't know what created the universe, we don't even know if the universe was created it not. Atheists and theists should just agree that we don't know.

Exactly, because we don’t know is why i reject all assumptions, that’s why i am an atheist.

Workch:

The appearance of singularity which was an infinite dense matter that contained everything that is in the universe today cannot be explained by science.

Listen to yourself, the singularity contained everything, is everything not the singularity then?
The whole universe is the plenum.