Iolo:

And since you know how things work in the real world. Have you ever heard or seen that someone had a neighbor arrested on suspicion of being a LovePeddler? Since its already illegal.

It doesn't work that way so think again.

The police somewhere in the Uk seized a woman's kids (including a newly-born), because she was suspected to be a love-peddler (guess d story was featured in nairaland).

@topic, people should try to find out details of the bill and not respond in ignorance because its something they feel bad about.

I think I may have to paste the content of the Bill cos it is obvious some pro-gay activists here, including the poster are trying to disingenuously taking advantage of people's lack of understanding of the Bill to propagate lies, half-truths and distortion.

1. Persons who entered into a same-sex marriage contract or civil union commit an offence and are each liable on conviction to a term of 14 years in prison.2. Any person who registers, operates or participates in gay clubs, societies and organisations or directly or indirectly makes public show of same-sex amorous relationship in Nigeria commits an offence and shall each be liable on conviction to a term of 10 years in prison.

mykali:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-816583.0.html

i believe that is what that supposed Pastor is trying to do there.

You don't know the story of Jide Macauley? He and his fellow gäys were running their church quietly and discreetly. They went out of their way to stay out of public view. It was only when some holier-than-thou journalist wrote a piece using them to whip up sentiments that anyone knew who he was. His church members have since been threatened, beaten up and harrassed wven though they haven't harmed anybody.

And BTW all he has asked for Was that gays be allowed to live their lives free of harrassment just like everyone else. He's never gone to court to advocate for gäy marriage and has never asked anyone to change the law to favour hömösexuals.

from my point of view and over 150 million nigerians this anti gay marriage bill is inline. just take a second to think without being so dramatic. the act of homosexualism alone is not natural. the hole those guys poke i meant for exit not entry by nature. that alone should simply point to you that it is an anomaly. lets go beyond self effacing in discussing. just calm down and look at the so called animals around you.
homosexualism and lesbianism is a disorder.

just take the western perverts legalizing bestiality. damn!!!!!

also you take on the freedom of rights is absurd.

if so armed robbers, rapists and all should have their so called rights protected too.

freedom is good, but free freedom is evil.
means we could as well just do away with our codes of conduct.

dig deep and think simply!

Evil Brain:

The most obvious problem with this bill is that it is completely unconstitutional. In fact, it violates the 1999 constitution is so many ways that it's shocking to me that it even survived its first reading talk less of being passed. It has provisions to prevent gäys from forming associations, gathering together, protesting or petitioning the government. It makes witnessing, publicising or promoting gäy marriage a crime. By doing this, it tramples on freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of assembly, the right of the people to petition the government to redress greivances and limits open political discourse. It is important to note that this affects the rights of not only gäys, but all Nigerians. If this becomes law, anyone who forms an HIV/AIDS advocacy group that targets hömösexuals will be liable to a long prison sentence. Even posting on this thread will make you a criminal. This cannot be allowed to happen in a democracy.

While it is easy for supporters of g'ay movements to quickly quote the sections of the constitution that talks about equal human rights; they so conveniently forget that these laws were made on the presumption that the people it deals with were heterosexuals, there is no provision in the constitution that gives any right to people based on their sexual orientation or even allows the kind of association, union or legal standing to h'omosexuals. No section of the constitution gives provision to allow or give support through rights to such an act. Show us in clear terms and let us debate it, not some vague and ambiguous claims that is open to debate.

rhymz:

While it is easy for supporters of g'ay movements to quickly quote the sections of the constitution that talks about equal human rights; they so conveniently forget that [bold]these laws were made on the presumption that the people it deals with were heterosexuals[/bold], there is no provision in the constitution that gives any right to people based on their intimate orientation or even allows the kind of association, union or legal standing to h'omosexuals. No section of the constitution gives provision to allow or give support through rights to such an act. Show us in clear terms and let us debate it, not some vague and ambiguous claims that is open to debate.

Where did you get that silly idea from? Constitutional protections apply to all Nigerians without exception. There are no second-class citizens. You don't even realize the implications of what you're saying.

Evil Brain:

There is also the cultural argument. The bill aims at protecting taditional values and beliefs. Members of the senate claim that hömösexuality is imported from the west and is alien to african culture. This is of course completely false as a simple google search will show, but if even if it were true the question is "so what?" As we all learned in primary school social studies, culture is not constant, not fixed and is completely non-binding. No one has the right to enforce their cultural beliefs on others. My parents cannot legally force me to have a traditional wedding if I just want to go to registry. Then there is the completely stûpid idea that our local traditions are inherently good while western ones are bad. There are plently of traditional practices that are now considered pure evil, for example female circumcision, killing of twins, the treatment of widows in parts of the east, burying obas with human heads in the SW, the osu caste system, etc. Then there is the fact that christianity, islam and our entire system of government is imported.

Now you have resorted to the argument of force often used by h'omosexual activists and h'omosexuals themselves. Are you sure you are not g'ay cos you sound angry and personal here.
Whether you choose to believe it or not, there is no part of the African culture that supports or encourage H'omosexualism, nobody is saying it does not exist in Africa but the fact is, it is an alien phenomenon and there is no part of the African culture-Nigeria culture in particular- that has h'omosexualism and its likes as an integral part. The examples you have given of the failings of our own culture does not make the practice of h'omosexualism any more apealing or better than those examples you gave; can you honestly claim that the majority of the Nigerian populace still practise them??
Finally, nobody is saying our culture is superior to the west, the fact is, if we are going to change certain aspect of our culture and imbibe news ones it must be the ones that have positve effect, promote our well being, preserve and enhancr our way of life not the nonsense you so adamantly wanr us to copy.

Evil Brain:

Where did you get that silly idea from? Constitutional protections apply to all Nigerians without exception. There are no second-class citizens. You don't even realize the implications of what you're saying.

Yeah it does, just as it applies to every Nigerian paedophile, pornographer, armed robbers, people that have sexual urge to want to sleep with animals, people that have sexual urge to want to sleep with their mums, sisters, and so on. . Yet there are laws that limits them from such rights and freedom. Imagine if everyone had the kind of freedom you want us to give these h'omosexuals, what kind of society will that be. It is you who do not fully understand the implication of your irresponsible liberalism.

rhymz:

I think I may have to paste the content of the Bill cos it is obvious some pro-man-lover activists here, including the poster are trying to disingenuously taking advantage of people's lack of understanding of the Bill to propagate lies, half-truths and distortion.

Why don't you tell us which specific parts of the bill I have lied about and distorted instead of making vague and unfounded accusations?

And feel free to post the entire bill here. Just don't think you can get away with quoting cherry-picked portions of it because I also won't allow you to "propagate lies, half-truths and distortion".

Evil Brain:

Why don't you tell us which specific parts of the bill I have lied about and distorted instead of making vague and unfounded accusations?

And feel free to post the entire bill here. Just don't think you can get away with quoting cherry-picked portions of it because I also won't allow you to "propagate lies, half-truths and distortion".

that is exactly what I am doing. You are yet to tell us how this law contravenes the 1999 Nigerian constitution like you have been claiming.

Evil Brain:
I'm particularly disappointed with David Mark on this issue. He has always portrayed himself as a sensible, level-headed person who takes his job seriously. Although there have been some worrying signs in the past (ammending the constitution to protect jumbo salaries, turning off the mic when senators say things he doesn't like), I've always had some respect for him. Until now. It is unthinkable that a four term senator like Mr. Mark is ignorant of all the problems with this bill. That means he knows it goes against the letter and spirit of the constitution and he doesn't care. That, coupled with the powerful office he holds makes him extremely dangerous to Nigeria's democratic future. I've decided based on his utterances on this bill to use all my little power and influence to make sure he never holds public office again. I'll vote against him, campaign against him, put insulting photoshops of him all over the internet and do whatever I can to end his political career for the good of the country. I hope that others will join me.

Typical of the g'ay people movements to hit below the belts just to get you forcfully in line with their nonsense. This exactly what is happening in the west; coming out to openly disagree with h'omosexualism is almost tantamount to political suicide cos these deviants have infiltrated virtually every sphere of influence and power- the media, politics, education, social strata and so on. But tell them, Nigeria will not succumb to browbeating, intimidation through withdrawal of aids and so on. If they feel very strongly about the rights of these group, they can extend them visa to come and stay in their country and 4ck their sons.

rhymz:

Yeah it does, just as it applies to every Nigerian paedophile, pornographer, armed robbers, people that have intimate urge to want to sleep with animals, people that have intimate urge to want to sleep with their mums, sisters, and so on. . Yet there are laws that limits them from such rights and freedom. Imagine if everyone had the kind of freedom you want us to give these h'omosexuals, what kind of society will that be. It is you who do not fully understand the implication of your irresponsible liberalism.

Päedophiles and armed robbers cannot be stripped of their fundamental rights. Only gäys according to this law. And plenty of societies already fully recognize gäy marriage all of whom are better than Nigeria in every way imaginable. Besides, Nigerian gays have had the rights of free speech, to associate and assemble since independence and they have largely managed to stay out of other people's view. Nigeria hasn't exploded. Neither have South Africa or Holland. I don't see your point.

And please note that nobody has even asked nigerians to recognize gäy marriage. All I've been saying is don't try and strip gäys and people like me who don't hate them of their basic rights. Is that too much to ask?

Does homosexuality warrant a 14 year sentence though is my question ?

The bill does not infringe on anybody's rights. Each country decides what is acceptable for its citizens rights . For instance, inspite of the noise about human rights in the West, they still deny polygamysts and incestous couples their basic rights to marry. @ Evin brain you guys are begining to sound like errand boys to the west! Just the way polygamy and incest is offensive to the west, the same way homosexuality is offensive to us here! It is simple, let them legalise polygamy and incest before they can make noise about our stance on homosexuality. Secondy, I was an animal farmer(goats) and I never observed same sex activity, what I witnessed was rampant incestous unions among animals. Do we now support incestous relationships, animals practice it too!

rhymz:

that is exactly what I am doing. You are yet to tell us how this law contravenes the 1999 Nigerian constitution like you have been claiming.

The second post on page 1 of this thread explains very specifically how the bill violates the constitution. I guess you only read the title before you made up your mind, then.

Typical of the g'ay people movements to hit below the belts just to get you forcfully in line with their nonsense. This exactly what is happening in the west; coming out to openly disagree with h'omosexualism is almost tantamount to political suicide cos [bold]these deviants have infiltrated virtually every sphere of influence and power- the media, politics, education, social strata and so on.[/bold] But tell them, Nigeria will not succumb to browbeating, intimidation through withdrawal of aids and so on. If they feel very strongly about the rights of these group, they can extend them visa to come and stay in their country and 4ck their sons.

Show me one shred of evidence that gäys have infiltrated anywhere for nefarious purposes. I suppose you think they have a secret organization with a headquarters hidden in a volcano like in the old James Bond movies?
Abeg save the beer parlour gossip for the beer parlour.

I dnt have any probs wif d same-sex ish, al I knw is d NASS are so useless dt dey can't pass anti-corruption bill 2 stop corruption dt is eatin in2 our economy. 15yrs imprisonment is nt 2 mch 4 corrupt leaders. Abeg dis country is useless

Evil brain leave these guys alone, they think you are championing gay rights when in fact you are championing human rights, they will soon come online to protest the government taking away most of their rights.

Evil Brain:

Päedophiles and armed robbers cannot be stripped of their fundamental rights. Only gäys according to this law. And plenty of societies already fully recognize gäy marriage all of whom are better than Nigeria in every way imaginable. Besides, Nigerian man-loving-men have had the rights of free speech, to associate and assemble since independence and they have largely managed to stay out of other people's view. Nigeria hasn't exploded. Neither have South Africa or Holland. I don't see your point.

And please note that nobody has even asked nigerians to recognize gäy marriage. All I've been saying is don't try and strip gäys and people like me who don't hate them of their basic rights. Is that too much to ask?

What exactly is your definition of fundamental human rights? Cos it appears you are all too willing to talk about limitless freedom of expression even when it encroaches on the rights of the majority.
Well this is my understanding of the fundamental human rights:
These are rights naturally accruable to every person by virtue of his/her existence as a human being.
The Nigerian Constitution under Chapter IV enumerates the following as fundamental rights.
* Right to life.
* Right to dignity of human persons.
* Right to personal liberty.
* Right to fair hearing.
* Right to compensation for property compulsorily acquired.
* Right to private and family life.
* Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
* Right to freedom of expression.
* Right to peaceful assembly and association.
* Right to freedom of movement.
* Right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of ethnic group, place of origin, circumstance of birth, sex, religion or political opinion.
The above rights are classified under Chapter IV of the Constitution as Fundamental Rights.
Now let's not forget that these rights are not limitless in practise; it will be folly for anyone to assert that he or she is entitled to freedom of expression and as such decides to walk down the street nude, that will be encroaching on others people rights as you will be trampling on other people's right to human dignity. Fact ism your rights end where another person's begin, we can continue to argue about the technicalities of these rights and laws all day, it will all still boil down to what is generally accepted, a society's natural reactions to alien acts that assault their own sense of morals, decency, culture and standards. The whole argument can't be wholly premised on the dictates of fundamental human rights cos in practice, these rights are subjects of ambguity and technicalities that render them almost impracticable. For instance, in the west, Polygamay and bigamy are criminal offences, yet it does not hurt anyone, it is between consenting adults and is a private afair. Does it mean this group that want to practice polygamy and bigamy do not have rights? How come the UN is not championing their rights to freedom of expression, liberty and association. What makes the ho'mosexualism cause any better and more important than polygamy cause.
Are you trying to tell me their decision to outlaw polygamy and bigamy in their society is not borne out of a combination of their moral standards, belief systems, societal idiosyncrasies and culture? Don't you see the double standards here??

@ ryhmz

I was about typing a reply when I saw ur input. I don't need to do that anymore. I agree with u 100%
Evil brain have been evil-brainwashed by the west's propaganda at coercing the rest of the world into adhering to their own beliefs U have fallen for it.

If I want to marry two willing women in the U.S, why would America stop me? Is that not trampling on human rights of me and 2 other willing adults?

Can somebody tell evil brain to just go sit down somewhere?

@rhymz

Freedom of expression does not mean going unclad and will stop that nonsense of someone's right stopping where another man's starts, if we are all guaranteed some freedoms, then we all have it equally, you can not deprive me and I can not deprive you, let the government ban same sex marriage but, they should not infringe on the fundamental human rights of gay people, that is what we are saying.

rhymz:

What exactly is your definition of fundamental human rights? Cos it appears you are all too willing to talk about limitless freedom of expression even when it encroaches on the rights of the majority.
Well this is my understanding of the fundamental human rights:
These are rights naturally accruable to every person by virtue of his/her existence as a human being.
The Nigerian Constitution under Chapter IV enumerates the following as fundamental rights.
* Right to life.
* Right to dignity of human persons.
* Right to personal liberty.
* Right to fair hearing.
* Right to compensation for property compulsorily acquired.
* Right to private and family life.
* Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
* Right to freedom of expression.
* Right to peaceful assembly and association.
* Right to freedom of movement.
* Right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of ethnic group, place of origin, circumstance of birth, sex, religion or political opinion.
The above rights are classified under Chapter IV of the Constitution as Fundamental Rights.
Now let's not forget that these rights are not limitless in practise; it will be folly for anyone to assert that he or she is entitled to freedom of expression and as such decides to walk down the street Unclad, that will be encroaching on others people rights as you will be trampling on other people's right to human dignity. Fact ism your rights end where another person's begin, we can continue to argue about the technicalities of these rights and laws all day, it will all still boil down to what is generally accepted, a society's natural reactions to alien acts that assault their own sense of morals, decency, culture and standards. The whole argument can't be wholly premised on the dictates of fundamental human rights cos in practice, these rights are subjects of ambguity and technicalities that render them almost impracticable.

I'm glad you know what fundamental human rights are. I don't see what is ambigous or impracticable about them. Plenty of countries (including Nigeria off and on) have been pracicing them for decades without problems. So what if walking around näked is against your religion and values? As long as I do it in my own private premises, how is it your business? The same applies to gäys. Stop thinking about what they are doing in private and face your own life.

For instance, in the west, Polygamay and bigamy are criminal offences, yet it does not hurt anyone, it is between consenting adults and is a private afair. Does it mean this group that want to practice polygamy and bigamy do not have rights? How come the UN is not championing their rights to freedom of expression, liberty and association. What makes the ho'mosexualism cause any better and more important than polygamy cause.
Are you trying to tell me their decision to outlaw polygamy and bigamy in their society is not borne out of a combination of their moral standards, belief systems, societal idiosyncrasies and culture? Don't you see the double standards here??

There's no double standard. Bigamy is a crime because it involves fraud and there are clear victims. The first wife gets lied to and cheated on. And the subsequent wives are made to think they are in valid marriages with all the associated legal protections when they really aren't.

Polygamy is fine by me as long as all parties involved are adults who know what they are getting into. I may not like it, but I'm not going to try get anyone imprisoned over it.

Plus other countries don't strip ploygamists of their fundamental human rights the way this bill tries to do the gäys. Your analogy is not analogous.

Nice try though. At least, you're attempting to make sense unlike so many others.

@Evil Brain

My own is when will the rubbish senators legislate on fornication and adultery, afterall, according to their bible and koran, those things are not acceptable, pack of nonsense individuals.

hercules07:

@rhymz

Freedom of expression does not mean going unclad and will stop that nonsense of someone's right stopping where another man's starts, if we are all guaranteed some freedoms, then we all have it equally, you can not deprive me and I can not deprive you, let the government ban same sex marriage but, they should not infringe on the fundamental human rights of man-lover people, that is what we are saying.

fundamental human rights as human beings or as animals. The last time I checked, there is no such thing as fundamental human rights for unnatural acts, association or cohabitation. As long as they stay within the limits of what their rights are and cover then there is no problem but if they choose to hide under the guise of human rights to propagate themselves in any way or form, they will be reminded that as long as their act is an unnatural one, they are not covered by any section of the constitution as it covers and talks in the context of natural acts.

rhymz:

fundamental human rights as human beings or as animals. The last time I checked, there is no such thing as fundamental human rights for unnatural acts, association or cohabitation. As long as they stay within the limits of what their rights are and cover then there is no problem but if they choose to hide under the guise of human rights to propagate themselves in any way or form, they will be reminded that as long as their act is an unnatural one, they are not covered by any section of the constitution as it covers and talks in the context of natural acts.

+ 10

Nwannem, I no know you smart like this o !

claps*

Btw, how is owerri or benin city ?

@rhymz and Alh

Their rights are already being infringed, they can not associate, and please you are not an authority on what is natural and what is not, evil brain has already done justice to that. I will keep repeating it, let them ban gay marriage, I do not care, but do not infringe on their rights as these same senators will wake up tomorrow to start infringing on my right.

Evil Brain:

I'm glad you know what fundamental human rights are. I don't see what is ambigous or impracticable about them. Plenty of countries (including Nigeria off and on) have been pracicing them for decades without problems. So what if walking around näked is against your religion and values? As long as I do it in my own private premises, how is it your business? The same applies to gäys. Stop thinking about what they are doing in private and face your own life.


There's no double standard. Bigamy is a crime because it involves fraud and there are clear victims. The first wife gets lied to and cheated on. And the subsequent wives are made to think they are in valid marriages with all the associated legal protections when they really aren't.

Polygamy is fine by me as long as all parties involved are adults who know what they are getting into. I may not like it, but I'm not going to try get anyone imprisoned over it.

Plus other countries don't strip ploygamists of their fundamental human rights the way this bill tries to do the gäys. Your analogy is not analogous.

Nice try though. At least, you're attempting to make sense unlike so many others.

You obviously have not been following the crust of my argument if you think I care about what somebody does in the comfort of his privacy. Like Saga has said in another thread, we can't legislate what goes on in people's head but of course if he/she goes further with attempts to entice, encourage, explain or even show these very lewd thougts in away that it can help him convert other impressionable people then there is a very strong need to legislate it.
Before this bill, we had the sodomy law which we almost never use cos to a large extent it is archaic and does not reflect the situation of the present. Homosexualism like other social vices has negetive insidious effect, if we don'r creat pre-emptive laws like the one espoused by this bill, we will stand hands akimbo and watch our value system descend even lower than what is obtainable in the present west, the family structure will be the most affected, population demography will be so adversly affected that by the time we realize the dangers of such a tacit support, it will have been too late. A situation where h'omosexualism replaces religion, our moral values relegated to the new found individuality chant song and people being forced to recognize homosexualism even against what they are generally used to is as well an infringement on my right. What is important is that the decision is a reflection of what the Nigeria wants as regards this issues, everyone should respect this domimant right.

hercules07:

@rhymz and Alh

Their rights are already being infringed, they can not associate, and please you are not an authority on what is natural and what is not, evil brain has already done justice to that. I will keep repeating it, let them ban man-lover marriage, I do not care, but do not infringe on their rights as these same senators will wake up tomorrow to start infringing on my right.

you keep talking about rights which rights?? State them and let's argue them.
And what is natural about a man sticking his P'enis in the A'nus of another man? Is the A'nus meant for penetration? Do you know how medically unhealthy that is?? Or Are you in another way trying to tell me that there is something natural about h'omosexual acts?? Do you need google for that one too?

Evilbrain ive noticed ur silence on some issues

From your POV what is your take on making prostitution legal
2. What about legalising inbreeding and violation since it occurs in animals also and therefore natural (according to you)
3. U should also be in support of bestiality, getting married to inanimate objects like carvings etc (since some people have sexual drive toward these things), and also sleeping with corpses
4. Also why is the west silent about legalising polygamy when all the concerned parties give their concent

rhymz:

You obviously have not been following the crust of my argument if you think I care about what somebody does in the comfort of his privacy. Like Saga has said in another thread, we can't legislate what goes on in people's head but of course if he/she goes further with attempts to entice, encourage, explain or even show these very lewd thougts in away that it can help him convert other impressionable people then there is a very strong need to legislate it.

That is the exact opposite of what the constitution says. It guarantees freedom of thought and expression of ideas. There are no exceptions. If a gäy guy comes to try and entice you, you can tell him to shut up but you cant force him or punish him for speaking his mind. Maybe you should download and read the 1999 constitution before you post any more.

Before this bill, we had the sodomy law which we almost never use cos to a large extent it is archaic and does not reflect the situation of the present. Homosexualism like other social vices has negetive insidious effect, if we don'r creat pre-emptive laws like the one espoused by this bill, we will stand hands akimbo and watch our value system descend even lower than what is obtainable in the present west, the family structure will be the most affected, population demography will be so adversly affected that by the time we realize the dangers of such a tacit support, it will have been too late. A situation where h'omosexualism replaces religion, our moral values relegated to the new found individuality chant song and people being forced to recognize homosexualism even against what they are generally used to is as well an infringement on my right. What is important is that the decision is a reflection of what the Nigeria wants as regards this issues, everyone should respect this domimant right.

I've already explained several times why religion, culture and morality are irrelevant in this discussion so I'll just ignore that part of your post. And I've also covered minority rights and the abuse of majority power.

Nobody is forcing you to recognize gäys. You can continue not liking them if you want. You can even write something nasty about them on a T-shirt and wear it around (freedom of expression).

If you think someone singing or chanting something you don't like is a violation of your rights then you don't know the first thing about human rights and you shouldn't be posting here.

Evil Brain:

That is the exact opposite of what the constitution says. It guarantees freedom of thought and expression of ideas. There are no exceptions. If a gäy guy comes to try and entice you, you can tell him to shut up but you cant force him or punish him for speaking his mind. Maybe you should download and read the 1999 constitution before you post any more.

I've already explained several times why religion, culture and morality are irrelevant in this discussion so I'll just ignore that part of your post. And I've also covered minority rights and the abuse of majority power.

Nobody is forcing you to recognize gäys. You can continue not liking them if you want. You can even write something nasty about them on a T-shirt and wear it around (freedom of expression).

If you think someone singing or chanting something you don't like is a violation of your rights then you don't know the first thing about human rights and you shouldn't be posting here.

on point, the only time freedom of speech and association becomes a problem is when it begins to constitute a security threat. As for those comparing homosexuality to some other stuff, I normally wouldn't do this because on the issue of homosexuality, I am rather passive. However some analogies here don't make sense:
paedophilia: sex with a minor. On the issue of sex, a minor's consent is not taken into consideration because they haven't reached the age of consent.

Besiality: sex with animals. There is no way of knowing if the animal consents or not. Besides, their brains are not sufficiently advanced enough to exactly know what is happening.

Necrophilia: sex with dead people. The person is dead. No way of consenting or dissenting.

Rape: sex without a person's consent.

Sex with inanimate objects (forgotten the scientific name): sex with inanimate objects. There is no way they can object because they are not alive. But then, it is acceptable by people, afterall, what do you call vibrators, sex dolls, pe.nis pumps? Animate objects?

None of these has the following: sex between consenting adults which hom.osexuality is. Trying to then compare them is like trying to compare cassilas and Ronaldinho; they'll have only one thing in common. In the case of hom.osexuality, the common factor is that sex is involved. In the case of ronaldinho and cassilas, it is that they are both footballers.

Evil Brain:

That is the exact opposite of what the constitution says. It guarantees freedom of thought and expression of ideas. There are no exceptions. If a gäy guy comes to try and entice you, you can tell him to shut up but you cant force him or punish him for speaking his mind. Maybe you should download and read the 1999 constitution before you post any more.

I've already explained several times why religion, culture and morality are irrelevant in this discussion so I'll just ignore that part of your post. And I've also covered minority rights and the abuse of majority power.

Nobody is forcing you to recognize gäys. You can continue not liking them if you want. You can even write something nasty about them on a T-shirt and wear it around (freedom of expression).

If you think someone singing or chanting something you don't like is a violation of your rights then you don't know the first thing about human rights and you shouldn't be posting here.

so in other words the constitution allows the expressions of unatural sexual habit in the open glare, are you serious? So what about those who fantasize about sleeping with animals, willing childrien that are curious about sex, people who rape to satisfy their sexual urge? What about paedophilia. Guy stop this zombie talk jare!! The fact you think religion, culture, tradition and moral standards are irrelevant shows how irresponsible your logic is- in thesame breath, how is it harmful to a willing 12yr old kid who is having sex with a ga'y man?? Yes, what makes paedophilia harmful if the kid is willing.
In 1999, the American Psychological Association (APA) published a report on child sex abuse saying that sexual relations between children and adults are "less harmful than believed" and might actually "be positive for willing children." How could trained psychologists, let alone anyone in their right mind, suggest that sex between adults and children could be positive for the children? Luckily there was a huge uproar throughout society about this absurd conclusion. As a result the APA backed down and acknowledged that there was a serious problem with the study and that they should have been more careful in publishing the report in the first place. That is is an example of how depraved the human mind can be, you MR evil brain is no any different. I have nothing to say to you at this point.

jedisco:

Evilbrain ive noticed your silence on some issues

From your POV what is your take on making prostitution legal
2. What about legalising inbreeding and violation since it occurs in animals also and therefore natural (according to you)
3. U should also be in support of bestiality, getting married to inanimate objects like carvings etc (since some people have intimate drive toward these things), and also sleeping with corpses
4. Also why is the west silent about legalising polygamy when all the concerned parties give their concent

1. Pröstitution is a complex issue. While it causes social problems (more STIs, violence and exploitation against the pröstitutes, and using public streets as a place of business), it is still a private act between consenting adults. Also, there are many forms of prösitution which are morally ambiguous or socially accepted e.g sugar daddies and marrying for money so there's a bit of hypocrisy in criminalizing it. Perosnally I support the Dutch model e.g. Legalization with very strict regulation. It'll have to be done in private, the girls should be registered and subject to regular health checks. They should recieve at least 80% of the money and pay taxes and pension dues. And no pîmps. Also compulsory condom use with the girls having the right to refuse any client for any reason. However, I'm not fanatical about any of this. Other ideas are welcome.

2. Inbreeding and räpe generally doesn't occur in animals in their natural habital, or rather, its much less common than same-sèx mating. In any case, I'm not advocating that we should be imitating lower animals, I'm simply refuting the argument that homosexuality is strange and unnatural. There is a lot of ignorance on that subject, and I'm just educating people about what actually happens in the natural world. Bestiality=unnecesary cruelty to animals. Also animals cant give consent. So I think it should be illegal. The issue of the rights of ownership makes this issue a bit cloudy.

3. If someone wants to arrange a ceremony to marry his biro cover, thats his right. It doesn't affect me or you so its not our problem. On the other hand, keeping corpses around can cause serious public health issues, so it shouldn't be allowed. The rule of thumb is that if something causes appreciable harm to non-consenting third parties, it should be banned. Gäy marriage does not qualify.

4. What has the west got to do with anything? Both the proponents and the victims of this bill are Nigerians. You need to drop that colonial mentality and learn how to face our own problems without using the oyimbos as reference.