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Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by sheyguy: 12:26pm On Jan 04, 2012
Once upon a time, Nigeria had tin and there was no oil. There was no mad shouting about resource control and who shld get what. Everybody got treated well. Why is it always the SS causing us problems when it comes to who should get what? OBJ took the oil derivatn rev. to oil producing states from 3% to 13% in his time, if truly the ND Ppl feel cheated, why not use the influence of Gej to increase it, why all the silly groaning here.
4 those of us in ND claiming to be financially buoyant, why not take a trip to Igbudu market, Warri go to Otor-Udu LGA, Delta state or Osieffurun or Abraka and ask the common man there who is an ND citizen what he thìnks about the subsidy removal.
The SE are no better than the SS but they have a history of befriending whoever is willing to give them extra money. The same ambition and trait of '66 is what they are still showing till date.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by sheyguy: 12:27pm On Jan 04, 2012
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Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by paragonpro: 12:30pm On Jan 04, 2012
This removal of petroleum products raise fundamental issues in Nigeria that can only the resolved by a Sovereign National Conference, lik;
What form of government shall we operate, the present presidential system which is very cumbersome and expensive and distant from the people or a leaner and cheaper paliamentary system, we can then discuss the component parts and how it would be divided.

Then we need to discuss the economic system, wether capitalist, socialist or a mixture. Who controls the state resources and what is their obligations. It is morally wrong for the government to control all state resources and then not give them any obligation and ask private sector to provide services.

What is the extent of autonomy given to constituent parts, ie police, power, taxes, etc.

Until these issues are resolved we will continue the way we have been going no matter who is in Aso Rock.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 12:35pm On Jan 04, 2012
[size=18pt]VIOLENT PROTEST ERUPT IN BENIN-CITY[/size]

BENIN CITY - A student body under the aegis of Edo Youths For Good Governance (EYFGG) yesterday carried out a protest march, calling on the federal government to revert its decision on the removal of fuel subsidy.

The group also circulated a letter which was signed by its President, J.C. Iyamu Osaro and Director of Public Affairs, Comrade Ehigiator James, saying the decision for the removal was orchestrated by the ruling class to continue to impoverish other poor Nigerians.

He said unemployment which had been the bane behind the criminal vices like kidnapping, armed robbery, bombing and insecurity in the land could have been addressed through direct investment on infrastructural development across the decaying sector of the economy that spaned the length and breathe of the country.

The group which carried placards with inscription such as: “Say no to fuel subsidy removal”, Say no to austerity measures” and Say no to local colonial leaders on fuel prices” accused the President Jonathan-led government of inflicting pains on Nigerians.

The statement added, “Since Jonathan emerged as the President of Nigeria, we have continued to experience economic crises, insecurity and another pain have been added unto our pains, we are saying no to fuel subsidy removal, we are saying that Jonathan should harness the resources of the country, he should create an idea that is geared towards impacting on the lives of our people.

Today we see austerity measure in the country; we are ready to join all the civil groups to protest the removal of fuel subsidy. We will continuously embark on massive protest, there is going to be revolution like what we see in Libya, Jonathan is a failure.

http://nigerianobservernews.com/04012012/news/news1.html
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by paragonpro: 12:53pm On Jan 04, 2012

Please stop grouping Boko Aram with these other groups. BH is a terrorist group. They bomb innocent people. They have nothing to bring to the table


My brother forget the rhetorics, you cannot defeat Muslim militant organization by military means, ask the Americans, at the end of the day they would negotiate with the Taliban. You can also ask the Egyptians or Algerians who banned Muslim organization over 30 yrs ago, today they have been allowed into the political space.

Boko Haram has perceived grievances, that is why they are ready to die for Their courses, a round table discussion will even afford us the opportunity to know those grievances, and then see if we can negotiate or if they prefer to opt out of Nigeria.

Even when the niger delta militant were bombing, many innocent people were bombed and shot in port harcourt, bayelsa, delta and even Abuja and Lagos, and today they are enjoying amnesty.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by debosky(m): 1:01pm On Jan 04, 2012
Beaf is a consummate and irredeemable mor0n. Federalism has NOTHING to do with subsidy removal.

Anyways - the Edo state people are already protesting. . . .or are they not oil producing anymore?
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by FACE(m): 1:01pm On Jan 04, 2012
paragonpro:

Face, please explain how the increase in the domestic price of petrol will develop the oil industry.

I hope you keep in mind the argument for SAP and liberalization, that allowing the exchange rate and thus prices of imported goods to market forces will develop local industries.

Today the CBN still control exchange rate and local industries going under.



We are talking of expansion of investments and reinvestments. Do you know why Chinese goods are cheaper that Nigerian made goods? It’s because they are more efficient in the utilisation of resources because of better technology and efficient energy system. It will surprise you to know that labour costs more in China than in Nigeria.

The arguments for SAP and liberalisation do not apply on this occasion. It is to the detriment of developing countries or any country at all to allow their currency to take a lonely stroll in the international market. Ask Greece and they will let you know what Euro did to them. The U.S.A have been asking China to let go of the leash on their currency and China have refused for a good reason. Even the greenback is not roaming wild without a leash, so I will not use SAP arguments in any way.

The govt have an energy blueprint and have embarked on it with the current licenses granted to investors. Soon you will see a fully deregulated energy sector and we will head towards energy efficiency, which benefit the system, creating more jobs and reducing wastage. This means that in the future, it would be cheaper to have made in Nigeria goods than China made goods. The fallout would be more investors coming to Nigeria because of guaranteed energy supply.

Back to your question; even if all the refineries were firing on all cylinders, it would still cost a lot more than N65 to produce PMS as long as NNPC are buying at internal rates as they do at the moment. You cannot have a two tier rate for crude oil pricing as that would send us back to square one.

The price of distilling crude oil is inclusive of the wages of all those working at NNPC and subsidiaries + all recurrent expenditure and that price is borne by the distillates including PMS.

In my estimate it would cost NNPC between N90 and N120 to produce PMS, while it would cost an investor with less overhead cost between N75 and N110 to produce the same PMS. If the government steps in and guarantees the price of PMS at N65, it means that any private investor would operate at a loss and nobody can make such investment.

The production of petrol also leaves some heavy oils which are used in other sectors. This means that private investors would be able to extend their operations to petrochemical productions and plastic and petrochemical, fertilizer plants are able to obtain their feed stock in Nigeria, which means that more allied industries will spring up and existing ones will be able to expand their operations and reach outside our shores for more market. JOBS WOULD BE CREATED IN THE PROCESS !

The gains of deregulation far outweigh any initial set backs.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by emmatok(m): 1:05pm On Jan 04, 2012
BEAF officialy unvail his tribalism in NAIRALAND.

So the it is now SS/ SE for GEJ. HA HA HA .

Can you please tell us how many CRUDE OIL the SE states produce.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by Chubhie: 1:06pm On Jan 04, 2012
paragonpro:



My brother forget the rhetorics, you cannot defeat Muslim militant organization by military means, ask the Americans, at the end of the day they would negotiate with the Taliban. You can also ask the Egyptians or Algerians who banned Muslim organization over 30 yrs ago, today they have been allowed into the political space.

Boko Haram has perceived grievances, that is why they are ready to die for Their courses, a round table discussion will even afford us the opportunity to know those grievances, and then see if we can negotiate or if they prefer to opt out of Nigeria.

Even when the niger delta militant were bombing, many innocent people were bombed and shot in port harcourt, bayelsa, delta and even Abuja and Lagos, and today they are enjoying amnesty.
Great minds!
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by warrior01: 1:15pm On Jan 04, 2012
alja-rem and co, are you guys not tired of bei.g beggars? Can't you guys be creative for once instead of waiting for handouts? gosh!!!! you guys are pathetic. Reasonable people are putting the pressure of various tiers of govt on how to be accountable for every penny earned and you are here planning how to burn down the country because the man from bayelsa wants to show your likes how to fish instead of waiting for the crumbs from your bigoted paymasters.
Why is the so called protest not for full resource control? why is it not for an SNC that would lay a new foundation for the nation and determine the kind of govt that would spur competition amongst the various geo political zones? You all agree that the country is being ripped off and in dire need of infrastructural development but yet, you are not ready to sacrifice the crumbs being thrown at you. I've come to realize that the so called protests have some political undertones as most of you can't still bear the fact that GEJ, a minority is in power and wants to change the status quo through his transformation agenda.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by karpentar: 1:17pm On Jan 04, 2012
There is a big problem of hypocrisy in the country.
Your choice of the words, rent seekers, would have been apt as a title. It is really puzzling that people are ready to overlook the leprousy in their immediate sorroundings to seek rent from Abuja. You would think that their governors and LG chairmen who are suppossed to provide grassroots development and employment were elected as decorations whose only job is to get free oil money from Abuja. How can Nigeria ever develop with such attitudes?

I have impatiently waited to spot a plain and concise reply to Beaf’s key query. “Why are there no protests in opposition to evident crooked state governors and LG chairmen”? It’s pathetic that everyone on this debate is intentionally disregarding this known fact. It can only lead me to conclude that these protests are hypocritical with the sole aim to undermine GEJ government. It reminds me of Boko Haram. The long ruling class of Hausa-Fulani-Yoruba and its uninformed remonstrating citizens are yet to come to terms with the fact that Abuja top sit has eluded them. Too bad! The fuel subsidy with the associated corruption must go. I will be totally disappointed if GEJ cracks under pressure and rescinds this laudable subsidy removal. This is about the best Government economic policy so far from any Nigerian president since independence.

Oya, start your abuses.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 1:22pm On Jan 04, 2012
warrior01:

alja-rem and co, are you guys not tired of bei.g beggars? Can't you guys be creative for once instead of waiting for handouts? gosh!!!! you guys are pathetic. Reasonable people are putting the pressure of various tiers of govt on how to be accountable for every penny earned and you are here planning how to burn down the country because the man from bayelsa wants to show your likes how to fish instead of waiting for the crumbs from your bigoted paymasters.
Why is the so called protest not for full resource control? why is it not for an SNC that would lay a new foundation for the nation and determine the kind of govt that would spur competition amongst the various geo political zones? You all agree that the country is being ripped off and in dire need of infrastructural development but yet, you are not ready to sacrifice the crumbs being thrown at you. I've come to realize that the so called protests have some political undertones as most of you can't still bear the fact that GEJ, a minority is in power and wants to change the status quo through his transformation agenda.  

LOOK HERE MR MAN If you and the others what to tribalise this country. Then so be it

AS FAR AS NC, NW, NE, SW, EDO, CROSS RIVER AND RIVERS STATES are concerned Yes there would be protest if something does not favour an average man

I mean you people have bearly have power for 2 years and you are already drunk.

Or where ur leaders not begging from the west and north before Oil was discovered. Or maybe you can high what UR LEADERS WERE FEEDING ON BEFORE THE DISCOVERY OF OIL BECAUSE WE PAIDED THEM

Oil is free, Cocoa and groundnut were not free. People died, people worked day and night under the sun and rain to feed ur lazy azzes now all of a sudden because u get something for free, we are lazy.

ka shegiya
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by Reggie2(m): 1:33pm On Jan 04, 2012
De Javù! The north is not satisfied with a core South president, they incite palava, West characteristically will talk tough and wait for others to begin the fracas, then they become protagonists at war, looking for where their bread is best buttered. But things don change my brodas. Global political alignment don change also

I laugh for latin
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by oc2fish: 1:40pm On Jan 04, 2012
My base is at Asaba, the people are not protesting because they are too lazy
Every body is complaining but the people that can lead the protest are the
people looking for contract or begging for employment. At Anwai campus
Professors pack there cars and walk even the very rich are complaining.

As i am writing this, a lot cannot afford to go back to their base, as at yesterday a
trip from Asaba to Lagos is 12k instead of 3-4k maximum. I want all to know
that the producers (DELTA and others are not fighting is not because we
supported GEJ action but it is like a keg of gun powder that can violently explode.

The suffering is too much
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by paragonpro: 1:41pm On Jan 04, 2012
Face,
I enjoyed reading your above depositions and I totally agree with your analysis, my only disagreement is with your conclusions.

I agree that china was able to develop her industries because of superior technology and energy efficient systems. But the problem is we are seriously lacking in these two vital ingredients, first our manpower development is very poor as can be seen in our comatose educational system, and the few bright sparks we produce are stolen by the US, UK, Canada,and even the Arab states, so we are seriously lacking in technology.

In terms of energy, today we are struggling to generate 4000MW of electricity, We are importing almost 100% of our fuel requirements, we have not developed our abundant gas for domestic consumption, so we are seriously lacking in terms of energy for industrial take off.
so you see these two items have to be in place before deregulation can have a favorable effect. If they see not in place the cost of production of any good (including fuel) would not be able to compete with foreign imports.

I also agree with you that no country should be foolish enough to allow its currency to float, the same also applies to energy especially petroleum. All countries have mechanisms to control the price of petroleum and most western nations are ready to go to war to have some control on the price of oil.

Your projected price of petrol is wrong, please do google products produced by a barrel of oil. You will see that a barrel of oil will at best give you only 20% petrol and not 100% as given by you. So at $100 per barrel, the price of petrol should be between N140 - N160 assuming all other products and bye products see also sold. If the price of crude jumps to $110, then the price of petrol should be between N160- N180. And even at that the refinery would only be making marginal profit.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by Demdem(m): 1:49pm On Jan 04, 2012
oc2fish:

My base is at Asaba, the people are not protesting because they are too lazy
Every body is complaining but the people that can lead the protest are the
people looking for contract or begging for employment. At Anwai campus
Professors pack there cars and walk even the very rich are complaining.

As i am writing this, a lot cannot afford to go back to their base, as at yesterday a
trip from Asaba to Lagos is 12k instead of 3-4k maximum. I want all to know
that the producers (DELTA and others are not fighting is not because we
supported GEJ action but it is like a keg of gun powder that can violently explode.

The suffering is too much

I feel u.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by warrior01: 1:55pm On Jan 04, 2012
alja-rem, thanks for coming outta of the closet i know it has never been about the laudable fuel subsidy removal but about power. Now to debunk your lies, when did the north as a whole ever contributed any meaningful thing to the development of this lopsided country. You guys were never ready for independence (freedom) from the imperialist. Even with the competition amongst the regions then, how far did you people go? you guys are always scared of change. Thank God the MB are gradually waking up. you are not even ashamed since 1914, you have been contributing beggars, diseases and what have you up to this day. shame on you and your likes and, as for me and my region, we don't need fuel subsidy (crumbs), we need true federalism cos that will bring out the best in us and that's how you know a real 'man'.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 2:03pm On Jan 04, 2012
warrior01:

alja-rem, thanks for coming outta of the closet i know it has never been about the laudable fuel subsidy removal but about power. Now to debunk your lies, when did the north as a whole ever contributed any meaningful thing to the development of this lopsided country. You guys were never ready for independence (freedom) from the imperialist. Even with the competition amongst the regions then, how far did you people go? you guys are always scared of change. Thank God the MB are gradually waking up. you are not even ashamed since 1914, you have been contributing beggars, diseases and what have you up to this day. shame on you and your likes and, as for me and my region, we don't need fuel subsidy (crumbs), we need true federalism cos that we bring out the best in us and that's how you know a real 'man'.

Again see bigotry

Now let me tell you, the north contribute 70 % of the food eaten in Nigeria as of today so know your fact.

Moreover how does removal of subsidy = Contribution of any zone

Are you daft ? or you have not out on ur thinking cap yet.

Yes I agree with you but not true fedralism but a complete split. We are tried of living with daft people just because of Oil.

Look you cannot hold any zone of the country to ransom just because God has blessed you land with Crude oil.

If you think that oil would be there forever, then think again. I can well assure you that when if u are a biafran, you would be better in the expression called "Nigeria" than baifra or any other fantasy you have in ur head.

Keep deceiving yourselves because of GREED, SELFISHNESS, TRIBALISM, ETHNOCENTRIC REASONS AND STU.PIDITY.

If you have brains at all, you would be critical in your thinking. Good day
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by warrior01: 2:28pm On Jan 04, 2012
ok, lets get talking; the so called 'food' you supplied to the south (as if the south doesn't grow their own food) were they not fully paid for and for good profit? why didn't you start clamouring for the govt to start subsidising every cow, onions, tomatoes etc as that would make more sense rather than subsidizing pms a finite product? Don't you think an average nigerian would prefer his food subsidised rather than petrol? my guy, wake up cos the game is up. there is nothing like free lunch no more
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by warrior01: 2:29pm On Jan 04, 2012
ok, lets get talking; the so called 'food' you supplied to the south (as if the south doesn't grow their own food) were they not fully paid for and for good profit? why didn't you start clamouring for the govt to start subsidising every cow, onions, tomatoes etc as that would make more sense rather than subsidizing pms a finite product? Don't you think an average nigerian would prefer his food subsidised rather than petrol? my guy, wake up cos the game is up. there is nothing like free lunch no more
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 2:36pm On Jan 04, 2012
warrior01:

ok, lets get talking; the so called 'food' you supplied to the south (as if the south doesn't grow their own food) were they not fully paid for and for good profit? why didn't you start clamouring for the govt to start subsidising every cow, onions, tomatoes etc as that would make more sense rather than subsidizing pms a finite product? Don't you think an average nigerian would prefer his food subsidised rather than petrol? my guy, wake up cos the game is up. there is nothing like free lunch no more


free launch

Ok answer this question

Then what is the FG doing sef. I want to know

the FG does not repair or build roads

the Fg does not build hospitals or give free health services

the fg does not build schools or give free education

the fg does not subsidise our food

the fg does not subsidise our clothing, transportation, etc you name it

Now the question is what is the FG for ? since we pay 70 % of our yearly revenue to FG, government officials and legislators.

What is the FG meant for please I would like to know.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by warrior01: 2:41pm On Jan 04, 2012
see mumu, you claim you are supplying food to the south but you can't afford to feed yourselves. what a wise man you are. You guys are so hardworking that an igbo man will leave his place with nothing but sheer determination, settle in your place and within a few yrs, buy up land (your heritage) and still employ your lots and their families as gatemen and you are here beating your chest that you are doing good.
Oponu alakori eniyan
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 2:48pm On Jan 04, 2012
warrior01:

see mumu, you claim you are supplying food to the south but you can't afford to feed yourselves. what a wise a you are. You guys are so hardworking that an igbo man will leave his place with nothing but sheer determination, settle in your place and within a few yrs, buy up land (your heritage) and still employ your lots and their families as gatemen and you are here beating your chest that you are doing good.
Oponu alakori eniyan
In your life, never use Yoruba language to reply me OK !!!

exactly, and what do you expect us to do to the igbo man ?

Yes he made it and employ people, that is the will of Allah to him, Should we persecute you people because you became successive in the north ?

This is the sort of gloating that generates sentiments about you people.

Where did I say the North feeds the south ? Please Highlight the par for me YOU BIGOT

And so because we are farmers and we supply the country with food, it means we are stu.pid ?

You must be a complete ideeiot. onye ara mumu
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by Nobody: 2:53pm On Jan 04, 2012
Complete deregulation is good for the Nigerian Economy.

The way complete deregulation of the Telecom sector became good to our economy.

I am from the SE and we are educating the people we can to allow deregulation.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by FKseun(m): 2:53pm On Jan 04, 2012
JUST A QUESTION!
@BEAF:    ARE YOU GAINFULLY EMPLOYED?  You seem to have all the time in the world to play around on NL, the energy you put into it and all,

Just wondering, wish i have that luxury!
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 2:56pm On Jan 04, 2012
noblezone:

I am from the SE and we are educating the people we can to allow deregulation.
and others not from the SE are illiterates ?
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by tit(f): 2:58pm On Jan 04, 2012
the sage, awolowo, personally drafted the nigerian petroleum act of 1969.
i wonder why he does not get praise for that singular, farsighted action.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by Chyz2: 3:17pm On Jan 04, 2012
noblezone:

Complete deregulation is good for the Nigerian Economy.

The way complete deregulation of the Telecom sector became good to our economy.

I am from the SE and we are educating the people we can to allow deregulation.
cool
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by luqken: 3:21pm On Jan 04, 2012
When a national issue of THIRD TERM AGENDA of Former President OBJ, came i thought we all fought it together regardless of tribe and region except for a few due to parochial interest, why are now treating this Serious National Issue with tribal sentiment?
Lets be liberal and do the right thing together for the benefit of our future.
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by aljharem3: 3:22pm On Jan 04, 2012
luqken:

When a national issue of THIRD TERM AGENDA of Former President OBJ, came i thought we all fought it together regardless of tribe and region except for a few due to parochial interest, why are now treating this Serious National Issue with tribal sentiment?
Lets be liberal and do the right thing together for the benefit of our future.

you see
Re: Why Are There No Subsidy Protests In The SE/SS Oil Producing States? by iswell1(m): 3:23pm On Jan 04, 2012
@ beaf, thanks for your explanation, he who have ear let him hear.

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