One_Naira: Even a thread that should have just been about Yoruba, Yoruba just had to drag in Igbo into it.
Una are obsessed chei.

Hmm, na wa oo!!!.
Una have time, I think every Igbo should let the Yoruba bigots wallow in their ignorance na my own take on this.

exotik:
Hey Exotic,



good. i always like your version of history because it is full of fairy tales and that are quite comical.






and what does that change? shango who became a yoruba god was born of of nupe woman. i actually like shango though, and i see him no different from the likes of arab mohammed. they were both killers/warriors who became revered as deities . and dont come and tell muslims dont worship mohammed but allah, when na mohammed dey tell dem wetin to do.



well, i never doubted that. the mere fact that oyo once enjoyed empire status proves that without reasonable doubt.



when did queen amina of zaria reign? and when did the fulani jihad take place? queen amina from the name alone already says they were muslims. or wasn’t queen amina the queen/or wife of king of an hausa state?

sbeezy8:


urhhhhh
Majority of People in Ilorin were not a yoruba group and never were. they were actually Bariba and Nupe muslim prior to Yorubas reaching Ilorin and then Fulanis. so Ilorin being Muslim because of "conquest" makes no sense, Igbomina aswell, Majority back then were NOT yoruba- but today they have assimilated into being yoruba with Language/culture Mainly Language.

Some Kwara people will tell you they are not yoruba- cause they technically aren't - Thats like calling Eguns in Lagos, yoruba- cause many dont speak Egun but only yoruba- they still arent yoruba.
I have Ilorin family that are NOT yoruba but technically Nupe/Bariba and call themselves yoruba because of assimilating.

Whether ilorin is Yorubaland or not varies from opinion to opinion.

[size=14pt]CALL IT YORUBA INFLUENCE[/size]

sbeezy8:


urhhhhh
Majority of People in Ilorin were not a yoruba group and never were. they were actually Bariba and Nupe muslim prior to Yorubas reaching Ilorin and then Fulanis. so Ilorin being Muslim because of "conquest" makes no sense, Igbomina aswell, Majority back then were NOT yoruba- but today they have assimilated into being yoruba with Language/culture Mainly Language.

Some Kwara people will tell you they are not yoruba- cause they technically aren't - Thats like calling Eguns in Lagos, yoruba- cause many dont speak Egun but only yoruba- they still arent yoruba.
I have Ilorin family that are NOT yoruba but technically Nupe/Bariba and call themselves yoruba because of assimilating.

Whether ilorin is Yorubaland or not varies from opinion to opinion.

Yes your opinion..Believe what you want ilorin is Yoruba state .. Nupe and Bariba history is not complete without mentioning Yoruba..You dig it

[size=14pt]CALL IT YORUBA INFLUENCE[/size]

NegroNtns:


In the Quran, God advises Muhammad (saws) about the "People of the books".  Who are these people?

They are the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims and the Sabeans.

Who are the Sabeans?  They are two groups.  

1) the followers of John the Baptist (Zaccharia or Zakariyya).  They have a scripture which is the Gospel. These people remained in Babylon ( modern day Iraq) and some are still there till today.  

2) the followers of the faith of Abraham - the Hannifas!  They have a manuscript of nature but no name is given for the scrolls.  They were in Yemen and is said that they spread around due to some wars but a few exist today in the Arabian Peninsula.

Heretics from the two kingdoms of Egypt and Babylon had corrupted their religious practice in some age period that they went into idol worshiping.  When Muhammed was preaching Islam he had to fight them in Mecca, Yemen, Abbyssinia and the muslims even fought them in Jerusalem, though this may have been after the death of the Prophet.


When you look at Ifa, its literature and its rituals. . . it parallels in style and form the other books.  The priest garments in Ifa and even Ogboni are exact mirror of the specifications in the chapter of Exodus in the Bible.   I have seen Yoruba artificats depicting sacred arts and in which you can clearly see a touch of Old testament. . . .with rituals, offerings, worship and including the staff of authority held by the priest.  


Now, as far as translation.  Yoruba is a tonal language.  The cosmos has sounds and rythyms.  The Yoruba tongue flow in synch with our cosmic awareness.  Therefore, I cannot translate sounds of a rythymic wave into the flat, toneless, and vowel limited English language in a way that you can grasp the full sacredness of the meaning.  Our forefathers also faced this limitation and explains why in their wisdom they left it unwritten and preferred instead to transfer and teachthe knowledge in its original tonal soundwave and poetry.