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Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 4:39pm On Oct 16, 2007
Horus:


The Son of Lie
The Face of the Liar and Non-Existent Jesus Christ

The Hinduism, the Islamism, the Judaism, the Buddhism, and the Christianity, all of them divide the eartlhy human beings. THEREFORE FREE YOURSELVES FROM THESE THINGS!!!

Hmm Hocus pocus na ya picture be that?
Is that the atheistic Jesus?
ROFL.

This people get time o
marking triple X on someones picture.
When a man gets fits over a picture of who knows who na the beginning of craze.

I don talk my own
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 5:18pm On Oct 16, 2007
nwando:

marking triple X on someones picture.
When a man gets fits over a picture of who knows who na the beginning of craze.

Well-talk. grin The poster of the picture should help himself with a little common sense as to whether that was truly the picture of 'Jesus' or a case of mistaken identity.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 5:30pm On Oct 16, 2007
redsun:

Pilgrim,you got it all wrong,what i believe in and do comes from within based on personal experience,encounter and observation with nature and humanity.The puzzle is simple if you can go a little bit back in history, then you can get an insight and answer to this rat race of religion and politics.I use to be a christian but i just don't need it any more,i am free from the dogmas and fear of imaginary heaven and hell, that are both here,irresponsibilities,blaming the ignorance of your ancestors in the name of gerational curse for your 21st ignorance,in the real sense our ancestors were even better than we are today,they lived according to how they see the world and their time,living of the land in harmony with nature,clean and descent without pollutions and diseases that have plague the world today in the name of invention and science,which we are not still part of as a peolpe.At the time the english were telling our ancestors they were salvages,they were busy beheading and impaling in the tower of london and all over europe,even king james was a part and parcel of it.I don't detest people's beliefs,but don't impose in on nobody especially children,just be a descent parent and leave them to chart their own world,children are carbon copies of their parents and society at large,it does not take divine power to bring them up,humans are divine if they are sincere to themselves,our conscience is our ultimate judge.

@redsun,

After having read your worries, I honestly still hope to get something out of your post. Not slagging you here, but in as much as you have a serious take on some disturbing religious and political trends, it simply does not make sense to me to tend towards generalizing such concerns on everyone else.

Even if you were to remove religion from the picture, have you proffered sound and irrefutable solutions to the realities of life that everyone faces irrespective of whatever worldviews they hold? I don't see answers in yours. Perhaps, the 'ancestors' past may appeal to you; but they certainly had their own problems as well, which on closer examination still leaves us asking for answers.

I think it's about time that we seriously let up with this blame game issue about our individual worries. It's alright to express one's views about why things don't seem to be working out just well within the prism of our own designs; but it's a often a display of weakness to blame others for our own worries and yet fail to discuss issues. It's easy to play the blame game; never as easy to proffer solutions.

All the same, I can only well reason along with you as to why you feel the way you do. So enjoy. wink
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Ascony(m): 6:45pm On Oct 16, 2007
@davidylan
hmmm brother Ascony, which God are you talking about here? Where did the Christian God condemn a bastard, degrade the deformed and deliberately prevented you from hearing the same word that is given free of charge to any who would accept?



GOD CONDEMNS THE BASTARD.

It will surprise us to know that God condemns the bastard. Deutronomy23: 2 made it clear “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation”. Now tell me what a bastard had done to deserve this kind of condemnation, even though he did not make himself a bastard, why should God treat him this way?


GOD DEGRADES THE DEFORMED.

In Leviticus21: 16-23, God instructed Moses to tell Aaron the priest that no deformed man of any kind should ever come near the temple or present any sacrifices, do you know why? “That he profanes not my sanctuaries, for I the lord do sanctify them”. If God could talk this way about the deformed, then what does he expect the deformed to do? The deformed did not create himself deformed, and now, we see clearly that he is totally valueless in the sight of God. What a pity. I bet that this is not the kind of thing that anybody would like his or her child to learn in school or even in church.

GOD PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM HEARING HIS WORD.

“Make the heart of this people fat and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes . . . . Lest they understand with their heart and convert and be healed” Isaiah6: 10. This was the assignment our almighty God gave to Isaiah.
But think of it, why would God be so cruel to think of something like this? Why would he want the people he created in his own image not to hear his word and be saved? This is nothing other than personal hatred. Is this the kind of God you worship?

This is but a tip of the iceberg. (not even up to a tip).


I advice u bro, b4 u think of posting any comments in any thread, make sure u read from the very begining. i have already posted this in page 4.
so what do u have to say about this outrageous attitudes of God?
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by donmaselo: 6:54pm On Oct 16, 2007
[b][/b]i dont know why people like nwando cannot just embrace the get information from non christian site.christianity is the most degrading,inconsistent religion of our time. christianity was built on blood and maintained with claims to have no laws.that is evsry thing is based on forgiveness.if their was no laws in christianity why should people be burnt alive by the popes for heresy.what have happened to the old testerment laws.which nation have ever succeded without laws. cant blacks see that christinity preaches racial discrimination {our country NIgeria ,india, etc was looted in the name of christianity. Americans and europeans discriminated against blacks in its name.this religion enconcoraged women degradation,homosexuality.it is a know fact that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and most converts were formaly christians especialy women.Cnn once did a documentary on thathttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm. EG mike tyson,neil armstrong,muhammed ali etc.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by donmaselo: 6:59pm On Oct 16, 2007
[b][/b]i dont know why people like nwando cannot just embrace the get information from non christian site.christianity is the most degrading,inconsistent religion of our time. christianity was built on blood and maintained with claims to have no laws.that is evsry thing is based on forgiveness.if their was no laws in christianity why should people be burnt alive by the popes for heresy.what have happened to the old testerment laws.which nation have ever succeded without laws. cant blacks see that christinity preaches racial discrimination {our country NIgeria ,india, etc was looted in the name of christianity. Americans and europeans discriminated against blacks in its name.this religion enconcoraged women degradation,homosexuality.it is a know fact that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and most converts were formaly christians especialy women.Cnn once did a documentary on thathttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4385768.stm. EG mike tyson,neil armstrong,muhammed ali etc.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 7:17pm On Oct 16, 2007
bia mr dan angelina grin,why  can't you be a man.
why must you be wimpy.

[b]Your Islamic sources are not telling you that these women "embracing " Islam are western women married to Muslim men
do you want to hear from those whose finally woke up and fled?
Or that the so called American converts are black prison inmates (see my proof in earlier posts) ,some are followers of Louis Farrakhan and his "confused nation of Islam "whom most Muslims don't even regard as real muslims.

Or that the world growth in islam is with their high birthrate,popping out kids like liters of puppy not conversions.
A man marrying 4 wives and several temporary wives is bound to have several kids.
Remember also that true Muslims (like Prophet Mo) begin bedding these girls at the age of 9.[/b]Need I say more?
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 7:19pm On Oct 16, 2007
BTW,you can have Mike Tyson.
He scourged his wife and even ate a raw human ear.
He does qualify as a peaceful Muslim. grin
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by donmaselo: 7:36pm On Oct 16, 2007
When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?

(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)

(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:cool





How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?

(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)

(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)





What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)

(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)





How did Judas die?

(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)

(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)





Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?

(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:cool

(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)





Who is a ransom for whom?

(a) “The Son of Man came, to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all, “(I Timothy 2:5-6)

(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)





Is the law of Moses useful?

(a) Yes. “All scripture is, profitable, ” (2 Timothy 3:16)

(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness, “(Hebrews 7:18)





What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)

(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)

(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)

(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)





Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)

(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)





Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)

(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)





Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)

(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)





Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)

(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)





Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)

(b) No. (John 12:27)





In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?

(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)

(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)





Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)

(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)





What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)

(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)





When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …, “(Matthew 27:46)

(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …, “(Mark 15:34)





According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)

(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).





When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)

(b) No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)





(a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)

(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)







(a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)

(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)





Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

(a) No (John 3:13)

(b) Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)





Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)

(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)





Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)





When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)

(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)





At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)

(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)





What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

(b) To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

(c) For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)





A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)

(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)





Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?

(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men , in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

(b) No. Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)





When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me, ” (John 20:11 to 17)





What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?

(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)

(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)





When did the disciples return to Galilee?

(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist

(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise , “(Acts 1:4)





To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

(a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28)

(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)





Who brought Joseph to Egypt?

(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28)

(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)

(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)





Does God change his mind?

(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King, ” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)

(b) No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)

(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. “The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)

“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)

ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).





The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:

(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)

(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.





Who killed Goliath?

(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)

(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)





Who killed Saul?

(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it, Thus Saul died, (I Samuel 31:4-6)

(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)





Does every man sin?

(a) Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)

(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:cool





Who will bear whose burden?

(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)

(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)





How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)

(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)





Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days , (Mark 1:12-13)

(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)





Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?

(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)

(b) No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)





When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)

(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)

Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)





In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)




How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)




God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)




How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)




How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:cool

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)




How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:cool

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)




The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:cool

(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)




When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)




How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)




When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)




How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)




In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:cool

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)




How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)




Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)




Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)




How many were the children of Zattu?

(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:cool

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)




How many were the children of Azgad?

(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)




How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)




How many were the children of Hashum?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)




How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)




Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)




How many singers accompanied the assembly?

(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)




What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?

(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)




Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b) No (Joshua 15:63)




Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)




Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)




Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)




Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.




Who was the father of Uzziah?

(a) Joram (Matthew 1:cool

(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)




Who as the father of Jechoniah?

(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)




How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)




Who was the father of Shelah?

(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)




Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b) No(John 1:19-21)




Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?

(a) Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)




Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.”




How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)




Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)




When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”

(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”




Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

(a) Yes(Mark6:cool

(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)




Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b) No (Luke 9:9)




Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?

(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b) No (John 1:32,33)




Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b) No (Matthew 11:2)




According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)

(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)




When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).




The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?

(a) Yes. (Matthew 21:19)

(b) No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)




Did Judas kiss Jesus?

(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b) No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)




What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?

(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).

(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.




Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17)

(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)




Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b) No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)




Did Jesus say anything secretly?

(a) No. “I have said nothing
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 7:36pm On Oct 16, 2007
Now we even have to live in fear of these ex-cons who have embraced allah.


Islam in the United States is not solely the province of immigrants from North Africa, the Middle East and South Asia. The largest and fastest-growing ethnic group of American Muslims is African Americans, whose estimated numbers range between 1.3 million and 2 million. Most, by the way, are Sunni Muslims and not followers of Minister Louis Farrakhan's racially exclusive Nation of Islam.

What's more, the group within the African American Muslim community that is experiencing the most explosive growth is probably the least assimilated: black inmates. Good statistics are hard to come by, but one estimate places the number of Muslim converts in prison above 250,000. What brings them to Islam? Survival? Acceptance? Rejection of Christianity? Spiritual transformation?

One thing for sure: It's not Americanization.

Which gets us to the FBI, converts to Islam and a possible terrorist plot in California.

When FBI director Robert S. Mueller III joined us at The Post for lunch in June 2002, Muslim converts in prison seemed to be the last folks on his mind. At the time, Mueller was preoccupied with discussing the bureau's new post-9/11 mandate to detect and foil terrorist actions against American targets before they happened.

Not so today.

Mueller recently told Congress that one area of the war on terrorism that causes him great concern is the potential for extremist groups such as al Qaeda to recruit radicalized American Muslim converts. Mueller drew a bead on the American prison system, which he described in written testimony as "fertile ground for extremists who exploit both a prisoner's conversion to Islam while still in prison, as well as their socioeconomic status and placement in the community upon their release."

That concern is no longer theoretical.

This week brought news that three California men are currently being investigated as part of a possible plot to launch assaults against National Guard facilities this Sept. 11 and against Jewish targets on Yom Kippur.

One of them, 25-year-old Levar Haney Washington, had served time at the California State Prison in Folsom and, during his incarceration, converted to a radical Islamic group known as Jamiyyat Ul Islam Is Saheeh. Gregory Vernon Patterson, 21, arrested with Washington on unrelated robbery charges, recently converted to Islam. The third man in custody, Hammad Riaz Samana, 21, is a Los Angeles resident. Washington and Patterson are African American; Samana is a Pakistani national.


Authorities, according to news reports out of California, are trying to link the three men to Peter Martinez, 36, and Kevin Lamar James, 29, two state prison inmates and members of the same radical Islamic group. Martinez and James reportedly had recruited other inmates to join in a "jihad against the United States."

http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/004430.html


You must be really proud of theses exemplary converts
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by babs787(m): 7:58pm On Oct 16, 2007
@Nwando & Pilgrims

Are they really contradictions?
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 8:36pm On Oct 16, 2007
Just one explanation.

Judas committed suicide by hanging [Matt 27:5]

Judas did not hang himself, but died another way [Acts 1:18]

[b]Matt 27:5 states that Judas "threw the pieces of silver, and he went away and hanged himself."

Acts 1:18 states, "and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out."

It's rather easy to reconcile these:

1. First, Judas tried to kill himself by hanging himself. And this is not always a successful way. Maybe he tried, and failed (as have many others who have tried to commit suicide by hanging). Then after some time, he threw himself off a cliff and fell upon some jagged rocks. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon for people who commit suicide to have tried it before.

2. Judas could have tied a rope to a tree branch that extended over a cliff (after all, you have to get some space between your feet and the ground to hang yourself). In this situation, the rope/branch could have broke before or after death, and Judas plummeted to the ground and landed on some jagged rocks.

Certainly, these explanations are plausible, thus a contradiction has not been established. More from Frank Decenso below.

One of my favorites. My explanation for atheists and critics,

MAT 27:5-8 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.

First of all, notice that the text does not say that Judas died as a result of hanging. All it says is that he "went and hanged himself." Luke however, in Acts, tells us that "and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out." This is a pretty clear indication (along with the other details given in Acts - Peter's speech, the need to pick a new apostle, etc.) that at least after Judas' fall, he was dead. So the whole concept that Matthew and Luke both recount Judas' death is highly probable, but not clear cut. Therefore, if I were to take a radical exegetical approach here, I could invalidate your alleged contradiction that there are two different accounts of how Judas died.

Notice verse 5."Then he, went and hanged himself." Matthew does not say Judas died, does it? Should we assume he died as a result of the hanging?

What does Acts say? ACT 1:18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out.

ACT 1:20 "For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.'

Here we may have a graphic explanation of Judas' death. Of course, maybe someone can find some medical source somewhere that discusses the possibility of one having their entrails gush out after being burst open in the middle, and still survive. smiley

So, my line of reasoning to dispel the contradiction myth re: the "two" accounts of Judas' death is this. Matthew doesn't necessarily explain how Judas died; he does say Judas "hanged himself", but he didn't specifically say Judas died in the hanging incident. However, Acts seems to show us his graphic demise. Therefore, there is no contradiction between Matthew and Acts re: Judas' death.

We do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records his death. It is possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open. However, Matthew did not say Judas died as a result of the hanging, did he? Most scholars believe he probably did, but,

One atheist I debated along these lines said, the Greek word "apagchw" (ie: hang oneself) is translated as a successful hanging. I replied, No you can't only conclude this, although, this was a highly probable outcome. But Matthew does not state death as being a result. The Greek word is APAGCHO. Matthew 27:5 is it's only occurrence in the New Testament. In the LXX (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus), it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : "Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried in his father's tomb." Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel "hanged himself" [Gr. LXX, APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, "and died". Here we have no doubt of the result. In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died. Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure. It simply means "hang oneself". --Frank

80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas [Acts 1:18]

The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests [Matt 27:6,7]

Perhaps here, the following maxim holds -- "He who does a thing by another, does it himself." That is, yes it was the chief priests who actually bought the field, but Judas had furnished the occasion for its purchase. Thus, the verse in Acts could be employing a figure of speech where we attribute to the man himself any act which he has directly or indirectly procured to be done. After all, we attribute the "Clinton health care plan" to Bill Clinton, when in reality, it is a plan devised by others associated with Bill Clinton. [/b]

It is important to note that Christians have already answered these Muslims and atheists
read the rest.

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 8:40pm On Oct 16, 2007
and another.

. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on one colt (Mark 11:7; cf. Luke 19:35), or a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7)?

(Category: misread the text & misunderstood the historical context)

[b]The accusation is that the Gospels contradict about how many donkeys Jesus rode into Jerusalem on. This accusation is based on not reading the text of Matthew properly and ignoring his full point about this event.

It first should be noted that all four Gospel writers refer to this event, the missing reference above being John 12:14-15. Mark, Luke and John are all in agreement that Jesus sat on the colt. Logic shows that there is no "contradiction" as Jesus cannot ride on two animals at once! So, why does Matthew mention two animals? The reason is clear.

Even by looking at Matthew in isolation, we can see from the text that Jesus did not ride on two animals, but only on the colt. For in the two verses preceding the quote in point (b) above by Shabbir, we read Matthew quoting two prophecies from the Old Testament (Isaiah 62:11 and Zechariah 9:9) together. Matthew says:

"Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gently and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey'."

Matthew 21:5

By saying "a donkey" and then "on a colt, the foal of a donkey" Zechariah is using classic Hebrew sentence structure and poetic language known as "parallelism", simply repeating the same thing again in another way, as a parallel statement. This is very common in the Bible (i.e. Psalm 119:105 mentions, "Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path," yet says the same thing twice in succession). It is clear that there is only one animal referred to. Therefore Matthew clearly says Jesus rode only on a colt, in agreement with the other three Gospel writers.

So why does Matthew say that the colt and its mother were brought along in verse seven? The reason is simple. Matthew, who was an eyewitness (where as Mark and Luke were quite possibly not) emphasizes the immaturity of the colt, too young to be separated from its mother. As the colt had never been ridden the probability was that it was still dependent on its mother. It would have made the entry to Jerusalem easier if the mother donkey were led along down the road, as the foal would naturally follow her, even though he had never before carried a rider and had not yet been trained to follow a roadway.

Here again we see that there is no contradiction between the synoptic accounts, but only added detail on the part of Matthew as one who viewed the event while it was happening.

This is just one of many of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled. He fulfilled ones that were in his control as well as ones which he could not manipulate, such as the time and place of his birth (Daniel 9:24-26, Micah 5:1-2, Matthew 2:1-6), and his resurrection (Psalm 16:10, Acts 2:24-32) to name but two.

Some Muslims believe that in the Taurat there is reference to the prophecy which the Qur'an speaks of in Sura 7:157 and 61:6 concerning Muhammad. However, these Muslims yet have to come up with one, while Jesus is predicted time and time again.

[/b]
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 8:44pm On Oct 16, 2007
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by babs787(m): 9:10pm On Oct 16, 2007
@nwando


Just one explanation.

Never mind, I will sort the post for you. Hope you know that I was once lost like you.

Now let us reason together.


Judas committed suicide by hanging [Matt 27:5]



Hope you understand if they say someone died by hanging?



Judas did not hang himself, but died another way [Acts 1:18]


and if someone died the other way?


Matt 27:5 states that Judas "threw the pieces of silver, and he went away and hanged himself."



Hope you know that if they say that someone died by hanging, it means that the person hanged himself and died through that process too.


Acts 1:18 states, "and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out."



Hey dont give me that crap. So he fell headalong after he might have died of hanging?



It's rather easy to reconcile these:



Let me see you reconciling the irreconciliable


1. First, Judas tried to kill himself by hanging himself. And this is not always a successful way. Maybe he tried, and failed (as have many others who have tried to commit suicide by hanging). Then after some time, he threw himself off a cliff and fell upon some jagged rocks. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon for people who commit suicide to have tried it before.



Are you saying that he didnt succeed in hanging himself? So after struggling with the rope, the rope cut and he threw himself off a cliff huh grin? Can you give me examples of those thaty have died through that method?



2. Judas could have tied a rope to a tree branch that extended over a cliff (after all, you have to get some space between your feet and the ground to hang yourself). In this situation, the rope/branch could have broke before or after death, and Judas plummeted to the ground and landed on some jagged rocks.



It seems you are confused yourself. Did he try freeing himself or the rope just cut by itself? Have you for one day witnessed death by hanging? Do you have any idea about the space between the feet and the ground? If the space is wide, please on what will the person stand because the space between the feet and the ground is not always that wide. I dont want to go into details but your response will make me do so.


Certainly, these explanations are plausible, thus a contradiction has not been established. More from Frank Decenso below.


Really?


One of my favorites. My explanation for atheists and critics,

MAT 27:5-8 Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself. But the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, "It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because they are the price of blood." And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day.

Still saying the same thing. Are you confused. What do you understand by hanging?
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 10:19pm On Oct 16, 2007
babs with his never ending supply of long boring treatises saying essentially nothing undecided
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 10:39pm On Oct 16, 2007
davidylan:

babs with his never ending supply of long boring treatises saying essentially nothing undecided

Lol. . . na only that? He has come with his endless tales and reharshing of arguments - perhaps a sign that he has run out of sites to plagiarize from? grin
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 11:02pm On Oct 16, 2007
@don maselo,

In your effort to try and "prove" that Christianity or the Bible have many contradictions, let me ask you to slow down with the plagiarism from skeptic websites and then take a close look at your own 'scientific' Islam. Muslims often want us to believe that Islam is accurate to the 'T' and all the 'i's have been dotted. Okay, no wahala. Just want you to chew on these few for now (for strong meat might choke you grin):


#1. Which is the greater/greatest sin in Islam - to join partners with 'Allah' (shirk), or to forget any verse of the Qur'an?


Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk 2, #0461: || 'Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The rewards of my people were presented before me, so much so that even the reward for removing a mote by a person from the mosque was presented to me. The sins of my people were also presented before me. I did not find a sin greater than that of a person forgetting the Qur'anic chapter or verse memorised by him.

Qur'an 4:48: || "Surely Allah does not forgive that anything should be associated with Him, and forgives what is besides that to whomsoever He pleases; and whoever associates anything with Allah, he devises indeed a great sin."

Comparing these two texts above, does it not convey the understanding that forgetting any verse or chapter of the Qur'an is a greater sin than joining partners with "Allah" (shirk)??

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#2. Did Muhammad commit the greater sin between the two great sins?


Malik's Muwatta Bk. 4, #4.1.2: || Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I forget or I am made to forget so that I may establish the sunna."

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#3. What is the punishment for anyone who ever forgot any chapter or verse of the Qur'an?


Sunan Abu-Dawud Bk. 8, #1469: || Narrated Sa'd ibn Ubadah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: No man recites the Qur'an, then forgets it, but will meet Allah on the Day of Judgment in a maimed condition (or empty-handed, or with no excuse).

When he said above: "No man", does that include Muhammad himself, (as it is clear that he, too, forgot some verses of the Qur'an)??

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#4. Now, who actually makes Muhammad or Muslims to forget the Qur'an??


Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 550: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "It is a bad thing that some of you say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an,' for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do."

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 559: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."


Do you care to simply address these issues as you frantically seek another website to plagiarize, hmm? grin
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 11:04pm On Oct 16, 2007
@babs787,

Recycled questions that have been soundly dealt with is what I see you applauding yourself on reharshing. Let's see:

babs787:

Hope you understand if they say someone died by hanging?
and if someone died the other way?

Hope you know that if they say that someone died by hanging, it means that the person hanged himself and died through that process too.

Hey don't give me that crap. So he fell headalong after he might have died of hanging?

Let me see you reconciling the irreconciliable

Still saying the same thing. Are you confused. What do you understand by hanging?

Since you guys are so full of yourselves that you simply love to reharsh questions and beat around the issues, I thought you might need some reminding. Rather than simply post the links, I decided to paste the rejoinder here so you would find it easier to be dishonest if you want to - we're used to your games anyway.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 11:05pm On Oct 16, 2007
@babs787

I'll quote the relevant sections germane to the question of Judas' suicide that seems to be your worry. So enjoy:





1 First link rejoinder:

babs787:
Here you also said he hanged himself. Please read
Act 1v18: Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness) and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.

Also note 'And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple” contradicting “Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness”

Response:

First, that he hanged himself does not contradict the fact that he fell headlong in his suicide attempt and burst open in the midst of his bowels.

Again, your linear thinking at work. This is what happened (Matt.27:5-cool ~~ "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day."

In Jewish custom, the buying of a field with "the price of blood" is for burying strangers. When the field is purchased, the name of the stranger is put on the receipt - and that was why in typical Jewish expression it is recorded in Acts 1:18 >> "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity," showing that the iniquity of betrayal was his own handiwork."


2 Second link rejoinder:

babs787:
Lets see whose linear thinking is at work
So how do a person that hanged himself fell headlong?

Headlong means falling with head first.

Response:

Again, your linear thinking. "He hanged himself" tells what happened; "he fell headlong" explains how it happened.

There are cases where people attempt suicide by trying to hang themselves on a tree. They tie the rope to a high branch, wear the noose around their necks, and jump off the branch they climbed onto. In falling, the rope snaps the chord of their neck and throat - thus causing death within a few minutes. If in some instances the rope breaks, then the person falls to the ground instead of being suspended mid-air.


babs787:
Do they hang someone upside down?

Response:

Do they hang someone on a flat ground?

Just to quiz your amusement, read a news report of Pakistan President, Musharraf who defied death more than once by hanging upside down.

Excerpt: "He first avoided death as a teenager in 1961 when he was hanging upside down from the branch of a mango tree and it broke, he writes in the prologue of his autobiography, "In the Line of Fire," released Monday in New York."


babs787:
Did you see the word "Now this man bought a field with the reward of his wickedness'.? Meaning that Judas bought the field with his body.

Response:

Have you read what I wrote or you simply refuse your understanding to yield fruit? Do you understand Jewish customs at all? Let me use another example about the transfer of transactions. In Heb. 7:9-10, we read that Levi paid tithes even though he was not yet born at the time it occured. Jewish custom explains it simply that Abraham's paying tithe to Melchizedek on behalf of Levi meant that the tithes paid was recorded against the latter's name. Any Jew reading it will have no problem understanding the nature of the transaction. Levi was said to have paid tithes even though he was not as yet born - because the tithes paid by Abraham on his behalf was recorded against his name: Levi.

So it was when the chief priests "took counsel" and bought the field with Judas' blood money (Matt.27:7). The name on the receipt would bear none other than Judas' - and that is why there was no contradiction in Acts 1:18 in stating that "this man purchased a field". The text emphasized Judas' sordid deed, rather than the actions of the chief priests.

It is because you do not understand Jewish customs and have not bothered to study them, that is why you often want to judge the Bible by arab/Quraish traditions.



There, mr Babs. You would first have to observe some decorum in pretending you're just coming round to reading about these matters for the first time. However, it may serve you the field engagement for the games you have been seeking an avenue to play all along. If that is the case, then fulfill my predictions and enjoy the games - you know your antics have never worked on me. grin
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by mojojojo(m): 1:09am On Oct 17, 2007
NWANDO I noticed your interest in Islamic teachings from one of your post about Islam. I was impressed you were able to quote a saying of the prophet. However I think there is a little misunderstanding concerning what the prophet said. The word 'kafir' in arabic means Idolator not christian or any other Abrahimic religion for that matter. In the Quran christians and jews are referred to distinctly as 'ahlil kitab' meaning the people of the book, because each of them
was sent with a book from God (Jesus(gospel/'Injeel') and Moses(taurat), and we are told to live peacefully with one another (surah 29:verse 14). At the time of the prophet, muslim had to defend themselves from the oppression of Idolators and that statement reflects the thinking of the time.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by redsun(m): 11:53am On Oct 17, 2007
Life without challenges is unfulfilling,you got to work it with your own masterplan and imaginations,be it religion or otherwise.Life is dimensional and if you chose a different dimension,face it gallantly without doubt and never be afraid because cowards die twice before their death,even if you are a christian,be the one that teaches not just listening ,maximize your beliefs and personalize it,the story of the bible is the story of the jews,a race of people,their origin,constitution,tribulation,hope,philosophy,creativity and reverences.Some times i wonder what our story is,its origin and its view of life in general, ?physical and spiritual,what is it that was so bad about it that make us to denounce it for other people's cultural heritage and history?They forcefully and cunningly gave us something they felt was better for us and we gladly took it,indoctrination,they stole your minds,that is why africa is in a limbo.Until we begin to see things like the masters,we can never understand the game
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Horus(m): 12:21pm On Oct 17, 2007
Considering the number of Bibles in Nigeria,if we burn all the Bibles we can produce electricity by combustion for free,and this will solve energy production problem in Nigeria.
Regardless of the type of Bible-burning appliance you purchase, it and its chimney should be professionally installed, and they should be inspected and cleaned at least once a year by a technician certified under the Bible Energy Technical Training (BETT) program. grin
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by redsun(m): 12:24pm On Oct 17, 2007
Saint paul,saint andrews,angel rapheal,what about saint okoro,or angel yemi?no,we are not worthy enough,self-condemnation,in spirit and in physical.Rise up and claim the glory.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by jagunlabi(m): 12:41pm On Oct 17, 2007
Excellent post. smiley
redsun:

Life without challenges is unfulfilling,you got to work it with your own masterplan and imaginations,be it religion or otherwise.Life is dimensional and if you chose a different dimension,face it gallantly without doubt and never be afraid because cowards die twice before their death,even if you are a christian,be the one that teaches not just listening ,maximize your beliefs and personalize it,the story of the bible is the story of the jews,a race of people,their origin,constitution,tribulation,hope,philosophy,creativity and reverences.Some times i wonder what our story is,its origin and its view of life in general, ?physical and spiritual,what is it that was so bad about it that make us to denounce it for other people's cultural heritage and history?They forcefully and cunningly gave us something they felt was better for us and we gladly took it,indoctrination,they stole your minds,that is why africa is in a limbo.Until we begin to see things like the masters,we can never understand the game
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Nobody: 5:13pm On Oct 17, 2007
mojojojo:

NWANDO I noticed your interest in Islamic teachings from one of your post about Islam. I was impressed you were able to quote a saying of the prophet. However I think there is a little misunderstanding concerning what the prophet said. The word 'kafir' in arabic means Idolator not christian or any other Abrahimic religion for that matter. In the Quran christians and jews are referred to distinctly as 'ahlil kitab' meaning the people of the book, because each of them
was sent with a book from God (Jesus(gospel/'Injeel') and Moses(taurat), and we are told to live peacefully with one another (surah 29:verse 14). At the time of the prophet, muslim had to defend themselves from the oppression of Idolators and that statement reflects the thinking of the time.

May there be more and more peaceful Muslims like you.
Until you,the peaceful ones attempt to tame the millions of wild ones killing people and chanting allahu akhbar while the heads are rolling on the ground.
Until we see enough of you coming out boldly on TV and prints condemning the actions of suicide bombers,iSLAMISTS and all radical groups including Wahhabism in Saudi.
Nobody should take you seriously.

Until a woman in Islamic Sharia is accorded the same human rights as a man and non Muslims receive the same freedom Muslims are accorded in free soceities,freedom of worship and freedom to live as free people Islam will continue to be seen as a repressive oppressive religion.
Until enough muslims see stoning and hand cutting as a punishment barbaric to humans and actually see that it sounds insane to stone a woman to death and chant allahu akhbar as the stones hit her veiled head,Islam will continue to be seen as inhuman.

I have no qualms with Muslims,I love all people but Islam,in it's literal sense as practised and preached by Mohammed is unfair to women and non Muslims .
The concept of Dhimmi for instance has no place if you indeed preach peace.

Ask yourself why Muslims are ever so quick to kill in the name of allah?
If indeed a cartoon can set off Muslims to kill,why don't you guys condemn it and indeed punish those who do such things and use allah's name in doing it,if it is unislamic.
Many don't trust Islam not just because of it's violent past but the present and future is equally violent.
And I'm afraid it may not change till Christ comes because this is scripture fulfilled
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by Tawak: 8:33am On Oct 18, 2007
then try Q'uaran
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by cgift(m): 9:35am On Oct 18, 2007
Horus:

Considering the number of Bibles in Nigeria,if we burn all the Bibles we can produce electricity by combustion for free,and this will solve energy production problem in Nigeria.
Regardless of the type of Bible-burning appliance you purchase, it and its chimney should be professionally installed, and they should be inspected and cleaned at least once a year by a technician certified under the Bible Energy Technical Training (BETT) program. grin



Horus, that was a good one. It made me smile. I know you dont have anything called light in your covens grin . You are a Paul in the making grin

Tawak :

then try Q'uaran

Sorry to disappoint you. there is nothing in the Quran that adds value to morals and peace.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by babs787(m): 1:59pm On Oct 18, 2007
@cgift


Sorry to disappoint you. there is nothing in the Quran that adds value to morals and peace.


Hey brother, I have been trying to have a chat with and maybe the has come. Please can we look at the bible with regards to peace and morals
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by donmaselo: 3:50pm On Oct 18, 2007
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Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 550: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "It is a bad thing that some of you say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an,' for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do."

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 559: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."



IT MAY INTREST YOU TO KNOW THAT I QUOTED FROM THE BIBLE ONLY AND NOT FROM ANY BOOK BY THE SO CALLED BIBLE SCHOLAR.
SECONDLY
THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN ISLAM IS THE QURAN.IT CONTAINS EVERYTHING AND IT IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE AND HAVE NOT CHANGED FOR ABOUT 1400 YEARS. IT IS FOLLOWED IN ORDER BY THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHET LIKE SAHIH AL BUHARI AND SAHIH AL MUSLIM.SUNAN IBN DAWOOD IS NOT RECOGNISED IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD AS A COMPLETLY AUTHENTIC HADITHS. SO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF AN ERROR FORM THE QURAN AND I WILL EXPLAIN.


nWANDO .I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT THE PUNISHMENT FOR ADULTERY IN ISLAM IS STONING TO DEATH WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE AS FAR AS YOU CAN PROVIDE THREE WITNESSES WHILE FRONICATION IS EIGHT LASHES.THE WOMAN IN THE HADITH YOU QUOTED IS MARRIED SO SHE COMMITED ADULTERY WHILE THE MALE FORNICATED AND WAS FLOGED EIGHY LASHES.[b][/b]SO ISLAM IS THE ONLY OERFECT AND COMPLETE RELIGION AND MAYBE JUDAISM IF NOT THAT IT IS ONLY FOR JEWS JUST AS JESUS CAME TO GUIDE ONLY THEM.
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by pilgrim1(f): 4:16pm On Oct 18, 2007
@don maselo,

Howdy? grin

don maselo:

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Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 550: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "It is a bad thing that some of you say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur'an,' for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur'an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do."

Sahih Bukhari Book 61, # 559: || Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, "Why does anyone of the people say, 'I have forgotten such-and-such Verses (of the Qur'an)?' He, in fact, is caused (by Allah) to forget."

IT MAY INTREST YOU TO KNOW THAT I QUOTED FROM THE BIBLE ONLY AND NOT FROM ANY BOOK BY THE SO CALLED BIBLE SCHOLAR.

I see. . . em, please can you help me here? What part of the "Bible only" do you find "Sahih Bukhari"?!?  grin

Perhaps you need to edit/modify so that not so many people would see the mistake. Oya, set to work sharp-sharp!

don maselo:

SECONDLY
THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY IN ISLAM IS THE QURAN.IT CONTAINS EVERYTHING AND IT IS A COMPLETE WAY OF LIFE AND HAVE NOT CHANGED FOR ABOUT 1400 YEARS.

I hear you. But please don't amuse yourself. We know that the Qur'an does not contain "everything", and for you to be screaming that it does, would mean that your Imams and mullah need to get off the facade and jettison the Hadiths!

If the Qur'an has "everything" in life for Islam, believe me, they would not need the Hadith - and every Muslim quoting the Hadith would certainly be fraudsters. But the reality is that Muslims actually need the Hadiths to buttress the Qur'an, otherwise you would have a scenario where Islam would have been more confusing for ordinary Muslims themselves.

don maselo:

IT IS FOLLOWED IN ORDER BY THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHET LIKE SAHIH AL BUHARI AND SAHIH AL MUSLIM.SUNAN IBN DAWOOD IS NOT RECOGNISED IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD AS A COMPLETLY AUTHENTIC HADITHS. SO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF AN ERROR FORM THE QURAN AND I WILL EXPLAIN.

First, thank you for your willingness to discuss - I deeply appreciate it. However, as the topic of the thread may not seem appropriate to make such a post about the perceived errors of the Qur'an here, we might simply stick to the present issues (so that other Muslims can rest their heart that I'm not trying to deflect the topic of this thread).

Second, perhaps for you, the Sunan Ibn Dawud hadiths may not have authentic place among the holy writs of Islam; but I would rather take that as a personal assumption of yours and not a widespread Islamic belief. Nonetheless, we shall make reference to certain instances (when the need arises) as to the fact that Muslim scholars themselves use it in their teaching.

don maselo:

nWANDO .I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT THE PUNISHMENT FOR ADULTERY IN ISLAM IS STONING TO DEATH WHETHER MALE OR FEMALE AS FAR AS YOU CAN PROVIDE THREE WITNESSES WHILE FRONICATION IS EIGHT LASHES.

Alright. Two things here:

    (a) you have confirmed once again that Islam serves the punishment by stoning for adultery (sadly, we have seen Muslims who have tried to deny the fact);

    (b) I would like you to again go check your reference as to the punishment for fornication - was that supposed to be "EIGHT" (or 'eight[b]y[/b]') or a hundred lashes?

don maselo:

THE WOMAN IN THE HADITH YOU QUOTED IS MARRIED SO SHE COMMITED ADULTERY WHILE THE MALE FORNICATED AND WAS FLOGED EIGHY LASHES. SO ISLAM IS THE ONLY OERFECT AND COMPLETE RELIGION AND MAYBE JUDAISM IF NOT THAT IT IS ONLY FOR JEWS JUST AS JESUS CAME TO GUIDE ONLY THEM.

I've already discussed the issue of about Jesus' ministry as applicable to ALL the world in the other thread you opened. True, Christians are NOT Jews (and the Qur'an clearly makes this distinction); but flogging or stoning people for does not appear to be a complete way of life. It may strike fear in the hearts of people; but it does not plant righteousness and peace with godly joy in their hearts. smiley
Re: Imagine A Worldwide Ban On Bibles by donmaselo: 4:20pm On Oct 18, 2007
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ISLAM IS THE ONLY UNIVERSAL RELIGION.QURAN IS THE ONLY UNDILUTED HOLY BOOK.QURAN PREACHES WOMEN EMANCIPATION.BIBLE CLEALY CONDEMS WOMEN.THE QURAN LAID A BASES FOR EVERYTHING WHILE THE BIBLE NEVER DID EXEPT IN THE OLD TESTERMENT WHICH THE CHRISTIANS HAVE REJECTED TO SUIT THEIR UNHOLY LIFESTYLE.QURAN NEVER PREACHED THAT YOU SHOULD KILL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT ATTACK YOU.CHRISIANS SHOULD NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST OR KAFIR ACCORDING TO THE QURAN BUT ARE AHL KITAB{PEOPLE OF THE BOOK}PEOPLE THAT KILL IN THE NAME OF ISLAM WHEN NOT THREATEND WITH WAR OR VIOLENCE ARE NOT ACTING ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC RULES. CHRISTIANS SAID THAT THE MUSLIM BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY THAT DIE FIGHTING FOR THE CAUSE OF ALLAH WOULD GO TO HEAVEN WHILE THIS WAS WHAT THE CHRISTIANS BELEIVE DURING THE CRUSADES(GOOGLE OUT THE CRUSADES OR EVEN TRY AND WATCH THE MOVIE "KINGDOM OF HEAVEN".IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT TO ANY HISTORY STUDENT THAT MUSLIM ARMIES WERE THE MOST MERCIFUL EVER.THE JEWS WERE EXPELLED FROM EUROPE BY THE CHRISITIANS WHILE THE MUSLIM ASKED THEM TO COME AND SETTLE IN ISLAMIC LAND WITHOUT PERSECUTION.THE MUSLIMS RULERS ENCOURAGED LEARNING AND BUILT THE WORLD FIRST UNIVERSITIES DURING THE DARK AGE OF EUROPE.WHILE THE CHRISTIANS PUNISHED ANBURNT ALIVE THEIR SCHOLARS BECAUSE OF USELSS DOCTRINES.DO YOU WONDER WHY CHRISTIANITY DO NOT SPREAD IN ISLAMIC LAND.DO YOU KNOW HOW ISLAM SPREAD TO MALAYSIA,INDONESIA ETC.IF YOU SAID IT IS BY WAR TRY AND READ HISORY AND TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LOCAL PEOPLE OF AMERICA WHEN THEY FAILED TO BECOME CATHOLICS.



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Articles Section > Islam -- The Universal Religion by Mrs. Ulfat Samad




Islam -- The Universal Religion:
by Mrs. Ulfat Samad
The Light, May, June-July, 1990




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The Christianity of Jesus Christ was not meant to be a universal religion. Though as far as its fundamental teachings were concerned, the religion of Jesus was not different from Islam, yet it did not contain complete guidance for all aspects of human life and for all nations and ages. During the countless centuries of human history, when the different races of mankind were living in more or less complete isolation and there were no swift means of communication between the nations, God was sending different prophets to the different nations. Jesus was one of these national prophets. He was the Messiah of the people of Israel. This is what C. J. Cadoux writes about this restricted (national) scope of Jesus’ mission:

"The office of Messiahship with which Jesus believed himself to be invested, marked him out for a distinctly national role: and accordingly we find him more-or-less confining his preaching and healing ministry and that of his disciples to Jewish territory, and feeling hesitant when on one occasion he was asked to heal a Gentile girl. Jesus’ obvious veneration for Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Scriptures indicate the special place which he accorded to Israel in his thinking: and several features of his teaching illustrate the same attitude. Thus, in calling his hearers ‘brothers’ of one another (that is, fellow-Jews) and frequently contrasting their ways with those of ‘the Gentiles’, in defending his cure of a woman on the Sabbath with the plea that she was a ‘daughter of Abraham’ and befriending the tax-collector Zacchacus ‘because he too is a son of Abraham’, and in fixing the number of his special disciples at twelve to match the number of the tribes of Israel – in all this Jesus shows how strongly Jewish a stamp he wished to impress upon his mission" (C. J. Cadoux, The Life of Jesus, pp. 80-81).
Each nation having been separately guided to the truth by the "national" prophets, the time was ultimately ripe in the plan of God to raise the World-Prophet and reveal the Universal Religion. And so, when the world was on the eve of becoming one, God raised the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to represent the essential message of all the prophets, shorn of all that was of temporary or limited nature and purged of all the later accretions and misinterpretations. He amalgamated the religious traditions of the different nations into a single universal faith and brought together the people of all races and lands in a single worldwide brotherhood. He gave the world the perfect religion and a complete code of life for all mankind.

To establish the truth of his religion, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not resort to miracles, which may win over the few who witness them but fail to carry conviction to those of subsequent generations. The appeal of his religion is to the reason and conscience of man. To carry the truth home to us he draws our attention to the phenomena and laws of nature, the lessons of history, and the teachings and experiences of prophets of various nations. There is nothing in Islam which is of significance or value only to the people of a particular region or age. The Qur’an enjoins nothing which is not uniformly inspiring and edifying to the people of all lands and does not provide adequate guidance to man in all stages of a changing and advancing society. It meets the religious, spiritual, moral and social needs of all nations and ages. The teachings of Islam are of universal nature.

In considering the proposition that Islam and not Christianity is the universal religion, readers must bear the following facts in mind:

+ The mission of Jesus was for the people of Israel alone, but the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came with God’s message for the whole of mankind. Jesus clearly stated:
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).
He chose twelve special disciples to match the number of the tribes of Israel and he expressly told them:

"Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).
On the other hand, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from the very beginning of his ministry addressed himself to the entire humanity. It was revealed to him:

We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a mercy to all the nations (21:07), and: Say (O Muhammad): O mankind, surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him, Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god but He (7:158).
+ Christianity believes that the people of Israel are God’s Chosen People. God has sent His prophets and revealed books to them alone. The Christians accept only the prophets of Israel. All other claimants to prophethood they regard either as self-deluded or as impostors. But Islam says that it would be a denial of the universal providence of God to say that prophets were raised in one nation only. According to the Holy Qur’an, God is the Lord and Cherisher of all the worlds. He has not discriminated between nations in sending down His revelations. He has raised prophets with His messages among all the peoples of the globe. The same religion was revealed to people all over the world through different prophets. The Holy Qur’an says:

To every nation was sent a Messenger (10:47).
Surely We have sent you (O Muhammad) with the Truth as a bearer of good news and a warner. And there is not a people but a warner has gone among them (35:24).

The same religion has He established for you (O mankind) as that which He enjoined on Noah – and that which He enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus. So, you should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein (42:13).

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had come to complete, not to abolish or destroy, the work of the earlier prophets. He told his followers to have faith in the prophets and revealed books of all religions and nations:

Say: We believe in God and in that which has been revealed to us, and in that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the various tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and in that which was give to all the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them (that is, the prophets) and to Him do we submit (2:136).
And certainly We sent Messengers before you – of them are those We have mentioned to you and of them are those We have not mentioned to you (40:78).

Islam is the consummate form of all religions. By accepting the prophets and scriptures of all religions and nations, Islam declares its faith in the unity and universal providence of God and in the universality of Divine revelation and prophethood, and seeks to unite all mankind in a single all-embracing faith and world-wide brotherhood.

+ Islam, not Christianity, gives complete guidance for all aspects and conditions of life, individual as well as social, national as well as international. Jesus Christ himself admitted that he had not come with the final or complete divine message for mankind, for the time was not then ripe for it:

"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:12-13).
Five centuries after him, the Spirit of Truth appeared in the person of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to convey the whole truth to mankind. God revealed to him:

This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion (5:3).
The Holy Prophet (pbuh) is thus the last prophet and the message which he brought from God is the final and complete message for mankind. The reforms that he introduced cover all aspects of life. On the other hand, the mission of Jesus was only for a small nation and limited period. He was the Messiah of the Jews. He introduced reforms in the teachings of the earlier Israelite prophets where he felt such reforms were due. He reinterpreted some of the precepts and commands of Moses to bring them in line with the needs of his age, but others he left as they were. The so-called Old Testament of the Bible advocates massacre, condones polygamy, accepts slavery and orders the burning of witches. Jesus, who had come "not to abolish the law and the prophets but to fulfil them," apparently had no time or opportunity to do away with these evils. For, he said or did nothing to humanise the "Mosaic" laws of war or to abolish slavery or to raise the status of women. He said nothing to abolish or restrict polygamy. The result of this has been, in the words of Bertrand Russell:

"You find as you look around the world that every single bit of progress in humane feeling, every improvement in the criminal law, every step towards the diminution of war, every step towards better treatment of the coloured races, or every mitigation of slavery, every moral progress that there has been in the world, has been consistently opposed by the organized Churches of the world. I say quite deliberately that the Christian religion, as organized in its Churches, has been and still is the principal enemy of moral progress in the world" (Why I am Not a Christian, p. 15).
Let us compare some aspects of Islam and Christianity to see why we regard Islam and not Christianity as the perfect religion for all mankind.


Women in Islam and Christianity:

There is nothing in the reported sayings of Jesus which might serve as an incentive to raise the status of women. His whole attitude towards the female sex was one of distrust, as is clear from his treatment of his own mother. The polemic against the family in the Gospels is a matter that has not received the attention that it deserves.

St. Paul, who is the real founder of Christianity, regarded woman primarily as the temptress; he thought of her mainly as the inspirer of impure lusts. He laid the entire blame for the fall of man and genesis of sin on woman. In his Epistles, which are included in the Bible as holy scripture, he wrote:

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" (1 Timothy 2: 11-14).
"For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head, because of the angels" (1 Corinthians 11: 8-10).

"Wives, be subject to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its saviour. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands" (Ephesians 5:22-24).

The combined influence of the Old Testament writings, and of the Epistles of Paul in the New Testament (both of which are included in the Holy Bible), was shown in those fierce invectives against woman which form so conspicuous and so grotesque a portion of the writings of the Christian Fathers and saints – of which the following is a fair sample:

"Women, you are the devil’s doorway. You have led astray one whom the devil would not dare attack directly. It is your fault that the Son of God had to die; you should always go in mourning and in rags" (Tertullian).
"Adam was led to sin by Eve and not Eve by Adam. It is just and right that woman accept as Lord and Master him whom she led to sin" (St. Ambrose).

"Among all savage beasts none is found so harmful as woman (St. John Chrysostom).

(Simone do Beauvour, Nature of he Second Sex, pp. 121-122.)

Woman had no separate identity, no legal status, in Christianity. In England, which was the most advanced Christian country, "up till the 1st of January 1883, it was true to state that, as a general rule, the contract of a married woman was void." She could not sue or be sued apart from her husband. The Married Woman’s Property Act, giving her the right to possess property in her own name, was passed in England as late as 1882.

As regards marriage, the teaching of Christianity has been, and still is, that celibacy is best. "To the unmarried and the widows I say," writes St. Paul, "that it is well for them to remain single as I do. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (1 Corinthian, 7:8-9). It was in the same spirit that St. Jerome wrote: "Let us take axe in hand and cut of at the roots the fruitless tree of marriage." Nevertheless, the Bible has nowhere made polygamy unlawful for the average Christian believer. (See John Milton, A Treatise on Christian Doctrine.)

When we turn from Christianity to Islam, we find that the Qur’an clears woman of he responsibility for the fall of Adam and vindicates her honour and dignity. It raises the status of woman to make her man’s equal. Islam gave woman the same rights as those of man:

And women have rights similar to those against them in a just manner (2:228).
The modern man recognises that there can be no true freedom and dignity without economic rights. Fourteen hundred years ago Islam gave woman the right to inherit the property of her father and husband and to acquire, own and dispose of wealth as she liked. The Qur’an says:

For men is a share of what the parents and the near relatives leave, and for women a share of what the parents and the near relatives leave, whether it be little or much – an appointed share (4:7).
In marriage, woman is considered by Islam to be an equal and free partner. Marriage in Islam is a sacred contract between a man and a woman and the consent of both parties has to be taken before marriage can take place. The Qur’an describes woman as the companion of her husband – an object of love and source of peace and solace to him, as he to her:

And of His signs is this, that He created mates for you from yourselves that you might find quiet of mind in them, and He put between you love and compassion. Surely there are signs in this for a people who reflect (30:21).
Islam is the first religion to put restriction on polygamy. It allows a man to marry more than one wife in rare circumstances and under conditions which make it a well nigh impossibility. It says:

If you will not do justice then marry only one (4:3).
And a little later it adds:

You cannot do justice between wives, even though you wish it (4:129).
From this it is clear that Islam disallows polygamy to men in normal circumstances. However, in abnormal circumstances, as after a devastating war, in which numerous men have died, leaving behind homeless widows and orphans and an excess of female population – Islam allows conditional and limited polygamy. It does this to provide homes to homeless women, to protect them from being exploited by men, and to save society from moral corruption.

To impress upon his followers the exalted position of the mother and sacredness and dignity of womanhood, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) declared:

"Paradise lies at the feet of the mother."
He said:

"Women are the twin-halves of men,"
and that men and women are made of the same essence and have the same soul. Islam makes no distinction between them as regards their intellectual, moral and spiritual capabilities and rewards:

The believers, men and women, are friends one of another. They enjoin good and forbid evil and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, and obey God and His Messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Surely God is Mighty, Wise (9:71).
Whoever does good, whether male or female, and has faith, We shall certainly make him (or her) live a good life, and We shall certainly give them their reward for the best of what they did (16:97).

Surely the men who submit and the women who submit, and the believing men and the believing women, and the obeying men and the obeying women, and the truthful men and the truthful women, and the patient men and the patient women, and the humble men and the humble women, and the charitable men and the charitable women, the fasting men and the fasting women, and the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard, and the men who remember God much and the women who remember – God has prepared for them forgiveness and a mighty reward (33:35).


Elimination of Slavery:

Jesus said or did nothing to emancipate slaves or to improve their lot. In the Bible (in both the Old and the New Testaments) slaves are told to completely submit themselves to their masters and to remain content with their lot, however miserable:

"Servants (that is, slaves), be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to the kind and gentle but also to the overbearing. For one is approved if, mindful of God, he endures pain while suffering unjustly" (1 Peter, 2:18).
Christianity failed utterly to abolish slavery or to alleviate its evils. The Church itself held slaves and recognised in explicit terms the lawfulness of this baneful institution. Under its influence, the highly cultured Christians of America practised the cruellest inhumanities upon the unfortunate beings whom they held as slaves and shed torrents of blood for the maintenance of the curse of slavery in their midst.

The first religion to improve the condition of slaves and to take steps for the total abolition of slavery is Islam. To begin with, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) made kind and brotherly treatment of slaves obligatory on the Muslims. They were to be considered as members of one’s family:

"Your slaves are your brothers. So if any one of you happens to have a slave, let him give him the same food that he himself eats, and the same clothing that he himself wears. And do not give them such work as is beyond their power to perform; and if you ever happen to give them such work, you should help them in doing it" (Maulana Muhammad Ali, A Manual of Hadith).
The following are just two of the many verses of the Qur’an exhorting men to emancipate slaves:

And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is? It is to free a slave, or to feed in a day of hunger an orphan nearly related, or the poor man lying in the dust. Then he is of those who believe and exhort one another to mercy (90:12-17).
It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteous is the one who believes in God, and the Last Day…and gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free…(2:177)

The institution of slavery being opposed to the Islamic teaching of the equality and dignity of men, the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) prohibited the taking of fresh slaves in very strong words:

"God says, There are three persons whose adversary in dispute I shall be on the Day of Judgement: a person who makes a promise in My name then acts unfaithfully, a person who enslaves a free person, sells him and devours his price, and a person who employs a man to do a work and exacts full work from him but does not pay him his full remuneration."
Finally, came the categorical command of God not only to emancipate slaves, but also to give them a part of one’s wealth to rehabilitate them:

And those of your slaves who ask for a writing of freedom, give them the writing, if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of God which He has given you (24:33).


Islamic Political Theory:

Islam does not only aim at transforming the outlook and character of the individual and guiding him in his private life, but it also seeks to build a social order founded on the principles of freedom, equality, justice and peace. "While Christianity," writes Dr. W. Cantwell Smith, "in recent years has moved towards a social gospel, Islam has been a social gospel from the start."

Jesus Christ is reported to have said: "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s (Matthew 22:21). The result of the separation of religion and politics in Christianity has been the growth of Machiavellism in the West. In Islam, there is no dichotomy between the temporal and the spiritual. Being the last revealed religion and foreseeing the eventual evolution of humanity, Islam has formulated a basic code of comprehensive guidance for mankind in all their activities and relations, whether they fall within the public or the private sphere. Islam ensures justice and social and international harmony by regulating the political, economic and international affairs according to the laws of God and morality and by defining the basic duties of the State and of one state towards another state. It laws down some basic political, social and economic principles which every community is enjoined to adopt and them gives each the liberty to develop its structure according to the needs of the age, provided this superstructure observes the basic principles and remains within their scope.

The constitution of the Islamic state rests on the following fundamental principles:

The Sovereignty belongs to God alone. To God alone belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that lies between them (5:120), says the Qur’an. The concept of human sovereignty is completely absent in the political philosophy of Islam. People in the Islamic State are free from subjection to any human being, because their government is the government of law and they are subjects of God alone. There is no room in Islam for Kingship or dictatorship. There is no ruler and no ruled. Everyone is free within the limits of Divine law. Freedom of expression and liberty of conscience are the cornerstones of Islamic polity.
The right to legislate also belongs basically to God. He says: Surely We have revealed this Book to you with truth that you may judge between people by the Law that God has given you (4:104). Muslims are of course free to frame new laws for meeting the exigencies of new situations, but the new laws should be in conformity with the Divine guidance contained in the Qur’an.
Man is God’s caliph (vicegerent). There is only one Sovereign (that is, God) and all human beings are His vicegerents. A society in which every man is a vicegerent of God, and an equal participant in this caliphate (vicegerency), cannot tolerate any class distinction based on race, caste, colour, creed or birth. All human beings enjoy equal status and are equal before the law. They have equal political rights and share equally in the running of the State. In the Islamic State, no one, not even the head of the State, is above the law. The same applies to all and for the breach of any law even the head of the State can be summoned in the court and punished, if found guilty.
The authority of power to administer the affairs of the State is a trust of the people and not the birthright of anyone. The Qur’an says:

Surely God commands you to give over the trusts to those worthy of them, and that when you judge between people, you judge with justice (4:58).
The concept of trust brings in automatically the concept of accountability, because a trustee appointed by the people has to render account to those by whom he is appointed. As the head of the State and all other State officers and administrators are appointed by the people and are trustees, they can also be removed by the people, if the people find that they are not conducting the affairs of the state in accordance with the commandments of God and in the best interests of the people.

All affairs of the State must not only be regulated in accordance with the laws of the Qur’an, but also conducted democratically by mutual consultation through a parliament elected on the basis of universal franchise. Says the Qur’an:
And those who respond to the Lord and keep up prayer and whose government is by consent among themselves and who spend on others out of what God has given them (42:38).
So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them upon the conduct of affairs. And when you are resolved, then put your trust in God. Surely God loves those who trust in Him (3:158).

The objectives of the Islamic State are to maintain internal order, ward off external aggression, establish absolute justice for all citizens, do all that lies in its power and employ all means and media for the establishment of "all that is right" and the elimination of "all that is wrong", and organize institutions for spiritual and social welfare, economic well-being and intellectual development of all citizens.
The final picture, therefore, that emerges is that an Islamic State is an ideological state set up by the will of the people in a constitutional manner following the democratic principle of decision-making in which every citizen has an equal right to participate and governance is a trust which has to be regulated on he principles of equality, liberty and fraternity enunciated in the Qur’an with absolute fairness and impartiality, without giving any preference to anyone, for the welfare of the entire community and in such a manner that the basic needs of all are satisfied and everyone enjoys equality of opportunity without distinction of race, colour, birth or rank.


The Economics of Islam:

Islam is opposed to monasticism and otherworldliness. It regards the economic activity of man as quite lawful, rewarding, and even obligatory. It approves of the economic progress of man. Notwithstanding all this, Islam does not consider the economic activity to be the main problem of man, nor does it view economic progress as the be-all or summum bonum of human life. When wealth is sought for its own sake and by any and every means and the true goal of life is forgotten, then economic activity becomes sinful and wealth an allurement or delusion of this world’s life. Islam severely condemns the tendency to give importance to people on the basis of their property and status. The mark of a man’s worth, it says, is not his wealth, but his greater humanity, character and integrity. Above all, in the pursuit of livelihood, man must all the time keep in mind the distinction between right and wrong and never lose sight of the higher values of life.

Islam considers God to be the Absolute Owner of all wealth. Men are only trustees. They can keep and make use of their honestly acquired property only if by their doing so the interests of other individuals and of the society as a whole are not unjustly affected and if their economic activities are carried on within the limits prescribed by God.

Islam regards all forms of unearned income as unlawful. According to the Qur’an, Man shall have only that for which he works and makes effort (53:39). It upholds the dignity of labour. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"No one eats better food than that which he eats out of the work of his own hands."
There is nothing more reprehensible in the sight of God than the exploitation of man by man. Islam severely condemns profiteering, black-marketing, hoarding, speculation, gambling, manufacture and sale of goods that are harmful to man, and all such practices by which a man takes undue advantage of the needs of others. It is opposed to the formation of cartels and monopolies and takes necessary measures to prevent the concentration of wealth in few hands. It wants the wealth of a nation to be fairly and equitably distributed among all the citizens, so that it may not circulate only among the rich of you (59:7).

Most important of all, Islam interdicts riba. That is, the practice of investing or lending money with a view to increasing it by exploiting others or by appropriating to oneself the fruits of the labour of others, without employing one’s own physical and mental powers to productive or creative use. Says the Qur’an:

O you who believe, devour not riba (interest, usury, surplus value), doubling and redoubling, and keep your duty to God, that you may be successful (3:129).
Those who swallow riba (the fruits of the labour of others) cannot arise except as he arises whom the devil prostrates by his touch (2:275).

And whatever you lay out at riba (that is, invest or lend money with the intention of multiplying it by exploiting others), so that it may increase in the property of men, it increases not with God; and whatever you give in charity, desiring God’s pleasure – these will get manifold (30:39).

On the one hand, Islam is against hoarding, miserliness and avarice, and, on the other, it censures squandering of wealth on vanities and luxuries and all forms of wasteful expenditure. It requires every man to be personally responsible for the well-being of the society. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) said:

"He is not a Muslim who eats his fill and leaves his neighbour hungry."
In order to reduce inequality and make sure that everyone gets the basic necessities and has equal opportunities in life, Islam imposes a tax, called zakat, on the capital of the rich for the benefit of the poor and the needy. Moreover, it repeatedly exhorts men to spend generously out of what God has given them to help the less fortunate and for the welfare of the society. The wealth that a man has earned is not absolutely his. It is a trust with him from God. He has acquired it by employing his God-given faculties and talents and by the aid and facilities provided by the society. He must repay his debt to the society and spend as much as possible, out of what he has honestly earned by his own labour, in the way of God.


Religious Freedom:

Just as Islam has made the State subject to the same ethical principles as govern individuals and has brought international relations within the scope of morality, making the subjugation and exploitation of one nation by another as reprehensible as the subjugation and exploitation of one man by another, in the same way, Islam has ordained justice, equality, freedom and mutual respect between one religion and another. In the Islamic social order all individuals and religious communities are free to follow the religion of their own choice. No individual or religious community has the right to impose its own beliefs on other or to restrict in any way the profession, preaching and practice by others of the religion which appeals to them. Says the Qur’an:

There is no compulsion in religion (2:256).
The fact is that Islam not only preaches toleration but it also enjoins upon its followers equal faith in the founders of all the great religions of the world. It invites people of all religions to join Muslims in forming a league of Faiths to uphold the principles of the unity of God, moral integrity and the brotherhood of man.

In Muslim countries, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Zoroastrians have enjoyed the freedom which, till recently, was totally denied to non-Christians in Christendom.


Knowledge and Science:

After careful study of the histories of Islam and Christianity, Canon Isaac Taylor came to the conclusion that "Islam has done more for civilization than Christianity." While the Muslims rose to the pinnacle of learning and culture in a few decades after the promulgation of Islam, the Christians remained steeped in ignorance for more than a thousand years. It is a fact that the people of Europe came out of the Dark Ages and made progress in science and learning only after the hold of Christianity over their minds and lives had considerably weakened. Whatever little education there was in Christian Europe during the Dark Ages, it was confined to the priests. The laymen had to blindly accept whatever they were told by the Church and were not allowed to use their intellect or judgement. Whenever anyone conceived a new idea or propounded a new theory, he was condemned by the Church as a heretic and subjected to inhuman tortures, which often ended in his being burnt alive. Professor J.B. Bury writes:

"Doctrines and implications in Christianity, forming a solid rampart against the advance of knowledge, blocked the paths of science in the Middle Ages and obstructed its progress till the latter half of the nineteenth century. In every important field of scientific research, the ground was occupied by false views which the Church declared to be true on the infallible authority of the Bible" (A History of Freedom of Thought, pp. 46-47).
The Christian emerged from the night of ignorance and superstition only when the light of learning from the Muslim universities penetrated the darkness of Europe and led to the Renaissance.

"It is to the Mussalman [i.e., Muslim] science, to Mussalman art, to Mussalman literature that Europe has been in great measure indebted for its extrication from the darkness of the Middle Ages" (Marquies of Dufferin and Ava, Speeches Delivered in India, p. 24).
Islam, unlike Christianity, makes the acquisition of knowledge and exercise of reason a duty of the believers. Said the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

"The acquisition of knowledge is a duty incumbent on every Muslim, male and female."
"Go in quest of knowledge even unto China."

"The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr."

"God has not created anything better than reason, or anything more perfect or more beautiful than reason. The benefits which God gives are on its account and understanding is by it, and God’s wrath is caused by the disregard of it."

(Al-Suhrawardy (translator), The Sayings of Muhammad, Wisdom of the East Series)

The Qur’an repeatedly exhorts the believers to observe and investigate the phenomena of nature:

In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, and the ships that run in the sea with that which profits men, and the water that God sends down from the sky, then gives life therewith to the earth after its death and spreads in it all kinds of animals, and the changing of the winds and the clouds made subservient between heaven and earth, there are surely signs for a people who understand (2:164).
Islam gives the greatest possible impetus to scientific research by declaring that all that is in the heavens and the earth is subservient to man, and that it is man’s duty to control and harness the forces of nature for the benefit of the human race:

And He has made subservient to you the night and the day and the sun and the moon. And the stars are made subservient by His command. Surely there are signs in this for a people who understand (16:12).
The result of these teachings was that all over the Islamic world outstanding centres of learning sprang up in no time and produced great scientists and scholars. There is no branch of learning to which Muslims did not make valuable contribution. But more important than their contribution to particular branches of science, according to Rober Briffault, is their invention of the scientific method itself. He writes:

"It is highly probable that but for the Arabs, modern European civilization would never have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend all previous phases of evolution. For although there is not a single aspect of human growth in which the decisive influence of Islamic culture is not traceable, nowhere is it so clear and momentous as in the genesis of that power which constitutes the paramount distinctive force of the modern world and the supreme source of its victory – the natural science and the scientific spirit…. Science owes its very existence to Arabic culture….What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs" (Making of Humanity, pp. 190-191).

The Brotherhood of Man:

The Islamic belief in the oneness of humanity is the effect which naturally follows from the doctrine of the oneness of God. All men are the creatures of one God: they are equal and together form a single brotherhood. Mankind is a single nation (2:213), says the Qur’an. The differences of race, colour, language, culture, creed, wealth and sex are all superficial; they do not affect the fundamental unity and equality of all human beings. Says the Qur’an:

O mankind, surely We have created you male and female and made you nations and tribes that you may know each other. Surely the noblest of you with God is the best in conduct. Surely God is Knowing, Aware (49:13).
In his famous Farewell Sermon, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) declared:

"No Arab has any superiority over a non-Arab, and no non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; no white man has any superiority over a black man, and no black man has any superiority over a white man. The criterion of superiority in the sight of God is greater piety and righteousness."
Never in their long history have Muslims in any part of the world been guilty of racial discrimination, colour or apartheid. According to the famous historian Arnold Toynbee:

"The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue (Civilization on Trial, p. 205).
Nor does Islam recognise the distinction between the so-called clergy and laity, which is a prominent feature of other religions. There is no priesthood in Islam.

The Qur’an enjoins love and sympathy among human beings and unites them as brothers. It says:

And hold fast by the covenant of God all together and be not disunited. And remember God’s favour to you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts, so by His favour you became brethren. And you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it. Thus God makes clear to you His messages that you may be guided (3:102).
The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"All God’s creatures are His family, and he is the most beloved of God who tries to do the greatest good to God’s creatures."
Thus it will be seen that Islam gives guidance regarding many matters about which Christianity is silent. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) completed what was left incomplete by Jesus. Islam is the true religion of Jesus, revived by a fresh revelation and perfected to cover all aspects of human life and to provide guidance to men of all times and all nations. It is, in short, the Universal Religion. It does not only respond to man’s devotional urges but to human life as a whole. It does not only give an infallible metaphysics, but also a comprehensive and sublime code of individual and social ethics, a sound economic system, a just political ideology, and may other things besides. It is not a solitary star, but a whole solar system, encompassing the whole and illuminating the whole.

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