A-ZeD:

I'm all for resource control and regional government.
In theory, i subsidy removal is a good thing but removing subsidy in Nigeria is papering over the cracks and not going after the root cause of the problem.
E.g Why did GEJ no pursue a legislation that states that  by 2015, all crude oil drilled in Nigeria must be refined in Nigeria, dont you think Nigerians would have supported subsidy removal??

Such a resolution would have failed in the NASS. Those people are only there to get fat.

As for moving us toward true federalism on the sly, its about the only way Nigeria can move in the right direction. Look at the crazy magnitude of fraud in the subsidy system that is being discussed (and I tell you, we ain't heard nuthin yet) and you will quickly realise that corruption is almost an immovable beast in Nigeria. Anyone hoping to make even a small dent would have to take to some pretty hairy pathways.

Also, as long as the subsidy runs, the refineries will always be sabotaged, totally frustrating any goodwill and wasting our billions in an endless cycle of first, motion, then despair.

From what I have heard so far, the fraud seems to have been carried out by the government, and not even the marketers considering NNPC/PPRA have been the entities with the most control over the process.

From what I have heard so far, the fraud seems to have been carried out by the government, and not even the marketers considering NNPC/PPRA have been the entities with the most control over the process.

Where else can I watch these hearings? I mean Online

Beaf:

Such a resolution would have failed in the NASS. Those people are only there to get fat.

As for moving us toward true federalism on the sly, its about the only way Nigeria can move in the right direction. Look at the crazy magnitude of fraud in the subsidy system that is being discussed (and I tell you, we ain't heard nuthin yet) and you will quickly realise that corruption is almost an immovable beast in Nigeria. Anyone hoping to make even a small dent would have to take to some pretty hairy pathways.

Also, as long as the subsidy runs, the refineries will always be sabotaged, totally frustrating any goodwill and wasting our billions in an endless cycle of first, motion, then despair.

Letting #occupynigeria protest continue and pengansson(sp) joining the strike would have shot oil prices in the international market high the world would be focused on Nigeria.
I dont believe GEJ wants to change Nigeria, to me his is part of the problem

I was beginning to wonder if all that guy was there to do was to sulk about how he was not invited to meetings, and hearings. No mind the nnama head . . . "I was not there but I know that the decisions were made democratically"  

manny4life:

Where else can I watch these hearings? I mean Online

^^  http://www.channelstv.com/global/live_video.php

@Nateev,
Yes she did the right thing removing the subsidy to understand the problem. Don't forget the whole mess started when the calculating Obj booted her from the finance ministry in favour of Ciroma. How can we blame NOI for a fraud enthroned by Obj. Rather we should commend both GEJ and NOI for having the courage to expose this, even if they have chosen to do it indirectly.

As to why this fraud persist till now. Is it not obvious that time is needed to study the corruption before you expose it. And for that I still give credit to NOI for her decision to expose it rather than cover it up. It shows we still have people of integrity in government. HOPE IS NOT ALL LOST.

Now let Obj and Ciroma tell us the part they played enthroning this scam.

manny4life:

Where else can I watch these hearings? I mean Online

you can use channels

http://www.channelstv.com/global/live_video.php

the link is working

manny4life:

What budget are you speaking off? The way you guys pull numbers out of thin air is just remarkable, 75% of National budget goes to Wages and Allowance?

Omo where have you been just google Nigeria recurrent expenditure and see for yourself

Lets face facts she failed. This was NOT the way to expose the corruption end of story no medal for her here.

Shes also clueless very poor answers

The same way u all were fooled by watching oputa panel, power probe, fct land allocation probe etc. In as much as we d gullible citizens of nigeria keep taking sides and fooling ourselves, history will keep repeating itslf here in 9ja. Whats the dfrnc btwn, pdp, cpc, acn, cabal, boko haram, mend, opc, massob, nlc/tuc, cso's etc? They r all d same people subdivided in2  any of these groups itemised above , exploiting d ignorance of both d so called educated and d uneducated masses of this country. If we were all sane as nigerians we wnt be taken sides rather we should all be ashamed of ourselves with revelations like this. What v d national assembly being doing all these yrs as their oversight functions(made up wit people frm dfrnt parties)? Why will obj institute such monumental corrupt act and d pdp adopted it as a national policy and d opposition parties gave their blessing to it? The governors forum is a colabo of governors from all d political parties and they are all a part of this fraud for 13yrs nw, nt even d opposition parties nw saints raised an alarm all these yrs and the so called nlc/tuc who are d organs of labour kept mute for this donkey yrs and d so called educated nigerians/professional bodies with their overbloated ego and empty skulls couldnt detect this economic rape of a nation of which they are stakeholders and d various mushroom civil society groups  cldnt figure this cos they were chasing international donors here and there whl we d masses out of ignorance, fol!shness, bigotory and incurrable tribalistic DNA's with a wicked mindset and hate for eachother drifted so far away to d extent we cldnt see dis economic gang up against us by same people that divided us . This goes to show the type of people that occupy d geographical entity called nigeria. We r all screaming nw as if we all were nvr in the country when this madness was taken place. After d national show what next? As usual, most of u carrier nl posters will rant, d bigots and d tribalist will fool themselves tryn to out post eachother with insults and the placards carring specialist will make some noise, ait and channels as usual will invite d same nigerians to come on air and form intellectuals discussing d samething we all know and gets our comendation as if we nvr knew this things nt untill they said it. If we cant rise up to demand for just one thing 'TRUE FEDERALISM' then this movies wnt stop being produced.

PointB:

@Nateev,
Yes she did the right thing removing the subsidy to understand the problem. Don't forget the whole mess started when the calculating Obj booted her from the finance  ministry in favour of Ciroma. How can we blame NOI for a fraud enthroned by Obj. Rather we should commend both GEJ and NOI for having the courage to expose this, even if they have chosen to do it indirectly.

As to why this fraud persist till now. Is it not obvious that time is needed to study the corruption before you expose it. And for that I still give credit to NOI for her decision to expose it rather than cover it up. It shows we still have people of integrity in government. HOPE IS NOT ALL LOST.

Now let Obj and Ciroma tell us the part they played enthroning this scam.

dude you are not making sense, just like she promised heaven in Nigeria 2005 abi after the largest payment in history of a sum of 16 billion dollars to for debt ? tell us that the 1 billion dollars Nigeria pay every year would be used for roads etc but infact went to over budgeted subsidy. Now subsidy is removed, it would go to the pcokets of the people in government

People need to stop listening to ur crap

@Beaf

1. GEJ recognized corruption with fuel subsidy and realized that the current rate of payments were unsustainable.
2. Instead of fighting corruption head-on, he attempted to resolve it the issue on peoples’ back. Very bad!
3. His removal of subsidy was premature and there’s no proof that the subsidy payments of yester-year cannot be sustained if corruption is stamped out.

Lastly, your argument for backing GEJ’s subsidy removal is really weak! A better argument would have been that Nigeria, just before the subsidy removal, lacked the appetite to support the fiery investigation and anger needed to bring the corrupt officials to book.

I’m glad that GEJ went about the subsidy removal as he did because I think that he kindled the anger and resolve Nigerians needed to demand a functioning government.

alj harem:

you can use channels

http://www.channelstv.com/global/live_video.php

the link is working

bandiejay:

^^  http://www.channelstv.com/global/live_video.php

Unfortunately, my computer @ work keeps denying me access, Usual security protocol  

I really wished this was on YouTube, would have loved it.

I like this guy from Kano he is asking some good questions and I am as "conpused" as he is with this abacadabra

989900:

I like this guy from Kano he is asking some good questions and I am as "conpused" as he is with this abacadabra

I agree, he did ask very good questions there. Now we see if she will provide us intelligent answers cause honestly, I am tired of the ramblings.

Talk Talk Talk Talk and no actions,

Beaf:

^
And is it not working? Please make a point, the pushback to sentiment rather than logic is quite old now.

Please dude! Don't insult my intelligence. You, of all men, have no right to accuse even the devil of sentiments.
Do you go back to read your own posts?

change your ip guess that a way foward

manny4life:


Unfortunately, my computer @ work keeps denying me access, Usual security protocol  

I really wished this was on YouTube, would have loved it.

What the heck is she weaving? Money allocated for agriculture includes money allocated to the Ministry of Water, roads?? AAARRRRGHGGGGHHHHH

i used to like this girl okondo ewiala but now

LadyT:

Lets face facts she failed.  This was NOT the way to expose the corruption end of story no medal for her here.

Shes also clueless very poor answers

They have turned us to guines pigs, trial by error. As if we got anything from Oputa panel, power sector panel, all these to me is just soap opera, back to status quo come next month

Kobojunkie:

What the heck is she weaving? Money allocated for agriculture includes money allocated to the Ministry of Water, roads?? AAARRRRGHGGGGHHHHH

You heard that too. I could not undersand it.

Pls. If 'm wrong pls. correct me. Weren't we told at the town hall that demurrages accrued accounted for a large chunk of the astronomical rise in fuel subsidy amount?
Now customs just told us it is duty free.

I closed work on time just to watch dis kpomo mouth minister talk.she sucks in her whole answers,phd madam dr z nthng like evacuation of gas ohh stick to ur phd terms,w come all dis phds dey suck,im abt 2 finish my phd op im nt gonna be like al dis pdp  phds,hmmm im scared ohhh,maadam due process pls dnt let ur cf be muddled like kpomo mouth.

Shoot!
This probably ranks amongst the most boring probe ever.
Maybe, i'll turn the tv off and do some work.

I found yesterdays a lot interesting.

In anycase, I don't get why NOI is being hounded.
Here are a few observations or (rhetorical) questions

Is she or the ministry physically going to sell the crude??
Inst she supposed to act on what she is being given??
Isn't the finance ministry's job to verify and pay for goods and services (crude)?? In this case receipts or whatever they are called
Is the finance ministry now involved in the fixing of petroleum prices?


What I've noticed is NOI and to a lesser extent Sanusi maybe have raised a red flag on this subsidy brouhaha.
Diezani may have actually forced Jonathan's hand into removing it. Now she's run into muddy/murky waters with these revelations.

Okonjo Iweala is being dragged into it cos she authorised these payments (most probably) without checks of her own. But then, why should she carry out extra checks if and when her peers (diezani, NNPC GMD and others) have told her that the job is done??

What she is doing now is fixing and plugging those loopholes

Now, this is my simplistic assessment of this issue.
Please feel free to educate me.

bandiejay:

change your ip guess that a way foward

How am I gonna do that? I don't even work in IT, the settings of the computers can only be altered ONLY by an OCIO staff. Anyway, please let me know how to do it.

she is going personal then she should resign ( Period )  

if NOI agrees they should have done more, why didn't they all try to do more instead of transferring that burden on the masses?

only one answer would suffice (incompetence). . .can't stand the ramblings no more.

Honestly though, finance minister no be small pikin job o

Why is she preaching when asked if the removal of subsidy was her agenda ?