Jenwitemi:

Perhaps the more correct term is "Acoustic Levitation". This has already been done in controlled circumstances in the laboratory.
Google it.

Then say "Acoustic Levitation" and no need for interpolations. Controlled circumstances in labs doesn't mean the Egyptian werre levitating stones.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/acoustic-levitation-stere_n_429558.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_levitation

Jenwitemi:

Atlantis is no fantasy, mate. It was only introduced to the mainstream - especially to kids - as fantasy so that it could be more easily digested by the masses. This is a method this is a very common method, truth being introduced to the masses as fiction at the beginning.

A very common method?

Okay. So, if this knowhow was available to the ancient Egyptians in those days, then there wouldn't have been no need for hundreds of clumsy elephants and oxes, no? Using the anti-gravity technology is a more likely explanation in my own view. Now, the question is, where did they get this, obviously, very technologically advanced knowledge from?

Martian:

Then say "Acoustic Levitation" and no need for interpolations. Controlled circumstances in labs doesn't mean the Egyptian werre levitating stones.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/20/acoustic-levitation-stere_n_429558.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_levitation

Yes. Hollywood movies are the most common vehicles. Historical facts that are still too heavy for the populace to accept are fed to them as fictions. That way, they can be more readily accepted, albeit as fantasies.

Martian:

A very common method?

Jenwitemi:

Okay. So, if this knowhow was available to the ancient Egyptians in those days, then there wouldn't have been no need for hundreds of clumsy elephants and oxes, no? Using the anti-gravity technology is a more likely explanation in my own view. Now, the question is, where did they get this, obviously, very technologically advanced knowledge from?

If this knowhow was available, then they would have used it. BUT there is no evidence for your claims. You make baseless and fantastic claims just like the christians you laugh at. They say gods did it, you say aliens did it.

The funniest thing about you is that the technology you try to ascribe to aliens are developed by humans. You insist that aliens helped the egyptians using "anti gravity" machines and the people currently carrying out the research are all humans. NASA

Should we now say NASA are getting  their information from aliens.

Jenwitemi:

Using the anti-gravity technology is a more likely explanation in my own view. Now, the question is, where did they get this, obviously, very technologically advanced knowledge from?

Since it's your view fantasy, just make up more sh#t.

Jenwitemi:

Yes. Hollywood movies are the most common vehicles. Historical facts that are still too heavy for the populace to accept are fed to them as fictions. That way, they can be more readily accepted, albeit as fantasies.

I'm speechless.

Jenwitemi:

Yes. Hollywood movies are the most common vehicles. Historical facts that are still too heavy for the populace to accept are fed to them as fictions. That way, they can be more readily accepted, albeit as fantasies.

Are you trolling?

I refuse to believe you are serious.

There is no evidence that elephants or oxes were used by the Egyptians in the building of the Pyramids, either. If you have such evidence, kindly produce it.

No, i am not trolling. Remember Star Trek when the show first came out in the 60s? The communication device the characters used? They looked like cell phones that we use today, don't they? That's how they do it. If you pay a bit more attention to the contents of many past and present hollywood movies, you will start seeing this pattern. Many people have alreayd done that and clearly seen it.

Martian:

Are you trolling?

I refuse to believe you are serious.

Martian:

I'm speechless.

Whether the technology was developed by humans or aliens is neither here nor there at this point. The fact remains that the technology was known at that time by the ancient Egyptians at a time when they were not supposed to have such a knowhow.The pyramids themselves are proof enough of the availability of this technological knowhow at that time. The Egyptians couldn't have moved those blocks any other way.

Besides, your theory of the use of working elephants and oxes is even more baseless and fantastically ridiculous to believe and accept. It is laughable.

Martian:

If this knowhow was available, then they would have used it. BUT there is no evidence for your claims. You make baseless and fantastic claims just like the christians you laugh at. They say gods did it, you say aliens did it.

Yes, humans at NASA are carrying out research on the technology NOW. But the ancients had the knowledge of it a long long time ago and they used it in a lot of their building and monument constructions. The evidence of that is overwhelming and all over the planet. Humans are only getting into it now.

Martian:

The funniest thing about you is that the technology you try to ascribe to aliens are developed by humans. You insist that aliens helped the egyptians using "anti gravity" machines and the people currently carrying out the research are all humans. NASA

It is a possibility.

Martian:

Should we now say NASA are getting  their information from aliens.

Jenwitemi:

No, i am not trolling. Remember Star Trek when the show first came out in the 60s? The communication device the characters used? They looked like cell phones that we use today, don't they?

There is a difference between the technological possiblities seen on shows like Star Tek and your Hollywood conspiracy theory.
Since you want to cite star trek as the reason for your fairy tale fanstasies, here's what the creator of Star Trek was about.

[b]Although Roddenberry was raised as a Southern Baptist, he instead considered himself a humanist and agnostic. He saw religion as the cause of many wars and human suffering.[22] Brannon Braga has said that Roddenberry made it known to the writers of Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation that religion and mystical thinking were not to be included, and that in Roddenberry's vision of Earth's future, everyone was an atheist and better for it.[23] However, Roddenberry was clearly not punctilious in this regard, and some religious references exist in various episodes of both series under his watch. The original series episodes "Bread and Circuses", "Who Mourns for Adonais?" and "The Ultimate Computer", and the Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes "Data's Day" and "Where Silence Has Lease" are examples. On the other hand, "Metamorphosis", "The Empath", "Who Watches the Watchers", and several others reflect his agnostic views.[/b]

So? What has this to do with countering my post? Where is the correlation even? My point is that Hollywood sell facts to the masses as fiction/fantasies, which then come true farther into the future. That is why i cited the communication device used in the original star trek as an example as precursor to handheld mobilt phone devices we use today. Hollywood has done that so often with other movies in the past and are still doing it with movies today.

Martian:

There is a difference between the technological possiblities seen on shows like Star Tek and your Hollywood conspiracy theory.
Since you want to cite star trek as the reason for your fairy tale fanstasies, here's what the creator of Star Trek was about.

[b]Although Roddenberry was raised as a Southern Baptist, he instead considered himself a humanist and agnostic. He saw religion as the cause of many wars and human suffering.[22] Brannon Braga has said that Roddenberry made it known to the writers of Star Trek and Star Trek: The Next Generation that religion and mystical thinking were not to be included, and that in Roddenberry's vision of Earth's future, everyone was an atheist and better for it.[23] However, Roddenberry was clearly not punctilious in this regard, and some religious references exist in various episodes of both series under his watch. The original series episodes "Bread and Circuses", "Who Mourns for Adonais?" and "The Ultimate Computer", and the Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes "Data's Day" and "Where Silence Has Lease" are examples. On the other hand, "Metamorphosis", "The Empath", "Who Watches the Watchers", and several others reflect his agnostic views.[/b]

Jenwitemi:

Whether the technology was developed by humans or aliens is neither here nor there at this point. The fact remains that the technology was known at that time by the ancient Egyptians at a time when they were not supposed to have such a knowhow.The pyramids themselves are proof enough of the availability of this technological knowhow at that time. The Egyptians couldn't have moved those blocks any other way.

The fact. Nigga please!!  Lmao

Jenwitemi:

Besides, your theory of the use of working elephants and oxes is even more baseless and fantastically ridiculous to believe and accept. It is laughable.

lol.
[b]The Sri Lankan people have had a long association with elephants and as a result a lasting affinity has developed between the two.

The ancient kings of Sri Lanka (the Sinhala kings) captured elephants from the wild where they were found in abundance. These elephants were used for many purposes. They were used for war against invaders from neighbouring India and to lay siege on the Portuguese and the Dutch who had captured the Maritime Provinces of the island. They were also used for ceremonial occasions, which were conducted with much pomp and pageantry. Elephants were given as gifts to the kings and potentates of countries that had friendly relations with the Sinhala kings and with whom they traded. Elephants were sometimes exported for trade to other countries where they were also used for war and ceremonial occasions.

Elephants assisted in the agricultural pursuits of man in earlier times. They assisted in the clearing of jungles for agriculture, hauling logs and clearing the land. They were also used for ploughing some of these lands. The British used them to clear the montane forests on the island to plant tea, cinchona and coffee. They were also used to transport machinery and other heavy goods to the plantations.

Elephants were used to transport material for construction activities in ancient times. For example, the ancient cities of Anuradhapura, Polonnaruwa, etc, now only their ruins remaining, would not have been built had their giant stones not been moved into place by elephants. They were also used for the construction of the large reservoirs that were the basis of the hydraulic civilization of the country.[/b]

http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ad031e/ad031e09.htm

Anyway, back to the evidences of very advanced races existinf in the remote past and the ancient alien theory. Nex stop is the Pumapunku Ruins.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_PumaPunku.htm

Maybe you guys want to explain this one out.

Jenwitemi:

So? What has this to do with countering my post? Where is the correlation even? My point is that Hollywood sell facts to the masses as fiction/fantasies, which then come true farther into the future. That is why i cited the communication device used in the original star trek as an example as precursor to handheld mobilt phone devices we use today. Hollywood has done that so often with other movies in the past and are still doing it with movies today.

Star Trek is a fantasy, but he deviced used were just based on scientific knowledge and what is possible. YOu assert that Hollywood intentionally present fantasis in order to "prepare the masses". A communication device on Star Trek doesn't mean anything when you're trying to prove Hollywood's complicity in your Atlantis fantasy.

Jenwitemi:

Anyway, back to the evidences of very advanced races existinf in the remote past and the ancient alien theory. Nex stop is the Pumapunku Ruins.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_PumaPunku.htm

Maybe you guys want to explain this one out.

Look at where you get you "data". No wonder you sound like a rube who just got exposed to sci fi.

Anyway, back to the evidences of very advanced races existinf in the remote past and the ancient alien theory. Nex stop is the Pumapunku Ruins.
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_PumaPunku.htm

Maybe you guys want to explain this one out. The high tech machining of those blocks of stones cannot be denied. And we're talking about very hard stones here. How was that done? With ancient chisels and pick axes? I think not.

If that is true that those devices were based on scientific knowledge known at the time, why were such devices not manufactured for public consumption real life then? Why was such devices only produced almost 30 years into the future? Perhaps some people are already far ahead in technology than the rest of us already and they are just letting us know through hollywood fantasy movies? Methinks it is very plausible.

Martian:

Star Trek is a fantasy, but he deviced used were just based on scientific knowledge and what is possible. YOu assert that Hollywood intentionally present fantasis in order to "prepare the masses". A communication device on Star Trek doesn't mean anything when you're trying to prove Hollywood's complicity in your Atlantis fantasy.

Does it really matter where i get the data? The Pumapunku ruins are real and cannot be wished away by your stubborn desire not to accept things beyond your paradigm. And for your information, that website is the leading source for databasing archaeological finds that defy the mainstream archeology community that you venerate so much.

Martian:

Look at where you get you "data". No wonder you sound like a rube who just got exposed to sci fi.

Why don't you just admit that you have no answer to this one?

Massive blocks of very hard stones cut accurately via unknown technology at the Pumapunku ruins. How ancient this site is is unknown even by the indigenes.

Jenwitemi:

Does it really matter where i get the data?

people who take those sites serious are either not very exposed or not that educated.

Jenwitemi:

The Pumapunku ruins are real and cannot be wished away by your stubborn desire not to accept things beyond your paradigm. .

Who said they are fake?

Jenwitemi:

And for your information, that website is the leading source for databasing archaeological finds that defy the mainstream archeology community that you venerate so much.

Sure, to a mind like yours, it's a leading site.

Jenwitemi:

Why don't you just admit that you have no answer to this one?

No one claims to have the exact answers concerning the building of these monuments. I don't clasim to know how eactly they did it, but your arguments from incredulity are just ignorant.

Jenwitemi:

If that is true that those devices were based on scientific knowledge known at the time, why were such devices not manufactured for public consumption real life then? Why was such devices only produced almost 30 years into the future? .

because knowledge accumulates over a period of time. Technological progress is not instantaneous man. Get a grip.
We didn't just jump from radio to internet. It started with the telegraph, telephone, radio, television etc. Step by freaking step.

That's why it took "30 years into the future".

You reject and deny from the position of ignorance? That is just ridiculous. You, martian, are very educated and exposed, and yet you don't know much, do you? You have to know the answers to these question before you reject and deny the theories put forward by others, right? I defo can't take you seriously after that.

Martian:

No one claims to have the exact answers concerning the building of these monuments. I don't clasim to know how eactly they did it, but your arguments from incredulity are just ignorant.

Jenwitemi:

You reject and deny from the position of ignorance? That is just ridiculous. You, martian, are very educated and exposed, and yet you don't know much, do you? You have to know the answers to these question before you reject and deny the theories put forward by others, right? I defo can't take you seriously after that.

Lol

The contents of your post is neither here nor there, mate. You've not put forward any new data that i don't already know about for decades. The fact, however, still remains that the masses were shown (via fiction fantasy) a reality of mobile communication devices 30 years before they were manufactured for the populace which clearly supports my point that scientific facts have always been presented to the masses as fiction fantasies by Hollywood since the sci-fi genre existed and it is still going on till today.

Martian:

because knowledge accumulates over a period of time. Technological progress is not instantaneous man. Get a grip.
We didn't just jump from radio to internet. It started with the telegraph, telephone, radio, television etc. Step by freaking step.

That's why it took "30 years into the future".

Yeah, laugh at your own ludicrous position.

Martian:

Lol

Meanwhile, though, judging by all the thousands of ancient megalithic sites spread around the planet, it would be safe to accept that our ancient ancestors were far more advanced scientifically and technologically than we give them credit for. Either accept that or the alien races build all those megalithic structures. Which one would you choose?

@martian
Let's assume you are right that our ancient ancestors were more technologically advanced than we give them credit for, how come the technological knowledge they possessed disappeared? How come none of the several cultures that possessed this advanced knowledge was able to preserve it? As we all know human cultural evolution is built on by successive generations and civilisations which leads to development. Is it possible that such crucial knowledge possessed by several different cultures of ancients would not be passed down through the generations or even documented by those who had writing amongst them.

Jenwitemi:

The contents of your post is neither here nor there, mate. You've not put forward any new data that i don't already know about for decades. The fact, however, still remains that the masses were shown (via fiction fantasy) a reality of mobile communication devices 30 years before they were manufactured for the populace which clearly supports my point that scientific facts have always been presented to the masses as fiction fantasies by Hollywood since the sci-fi genre existed and it is still going on till today.

Showing mobile communication devices on star trek doesn't support your assertion that hollywood shows reality via "fiction fantasy".
Star trek wasn't "preparing" anybody for anything, Gene Roddenberry was just a science enthusiast and futurist, he probably wasn't interested in pseudo history.
Atlantis is not a scientific fact, it doesn't matter what you read at worldmysteries.com. When Hollywood releases movies like Clash of the Titans,  are they trying to prepare the masses for the reality of the Kraken?

Pray tell, which Hollywood production was meant to prepare the masses for the truth of Atlantis.

Lol

Pastor Kun:

@martian
Let's assume you are right that our ancient ancestors were more technologically advanced than we give them credit for, how come the technological knowledge they possessed disappeared? 

Sh#t happens.
The library in Alexander was burnt. That's an example of how records can be lost. No alien needed.

Natural disasters happen.
A tsunami will leave ruins, a hurricane can be very destructive ,earthquakes, tornadoes, etc
They all are capable of leaving ruins. No Aliens needed.

This thread is seriously ret@rded. Are people really taking that silly Ancient Aliens show seriously? I mean c'mon, just look at the main guy's hairstyle.

[img]http://4.bp..com/-dm5Hb8SiBmI/Tz7cDWYUv2I/AAAAAAAAD7Q/7g_z5R8DvII/s1600/Giorgio_Tsoukalos.jpg[/img]

It was actually this show (and the equally daft one about crystal skulls) that made me finally stop watching History Channel. It's sad to see how they've completely dumbed everything down to appeal to conspiracy theory nuts and the ret@rded american public. And not just them, Discovery too is now full of shows about people catching crabs or driving trailers. NatGeo has transformed into an animal planet wannabe, and there is hardly any knowledge to be gained by watching any of them. Only BBC knowledge is still representing. It wasn't always like this.

There is so little intellectually stimulating stuff on TV nowadays. That's why I only watch football and al Jazeera.

Evil Brain:

It was actually this show (and the equally daft one about crystal skulls) that made me finally stop watching History Channel. It's sad to see how they've completely dumbed everything down to appeal to conspiracy theory nuts and the ret@rded american public.

Ditto! They had a marathon of that brain draining crap yesterday on their Premium channel!!!! New freaking episodes too! And all the premises still sound ret@rded as f#ck! I'm curious to see the next end of the world prediction after Dec 21 or 12 or whatever this year's prediction is.

Evil Brain:

And not just them, Discovery too is now full of shows about people catching crabs or driving trailers. NatGeo has transformed into an animal planet wannabe, and there is hardly any knowledge to be gained by watching any of them. Only BBC knowledge is still representing. It wasn't always like this.

Only the premium channels still make sense. Discovery and co HAVE to do shows like that to compete because of the large amount of entertainment choices available. I think the internet made TV slow because the audience that the TV stations can always depend on are the people who don't mind the simplest form of entertainment. (Reality Shows, ancient aliens, finding bigfoot, The Quest for atlantis featuring Jenwitemi).

^ O, come on. You both are ridiculously exxagerating. All of those channels remain invaluable resources for the learning mind. You see, I already told you this sort of attitude will do you no good: humanity learns by observations - and thus it is very deflating, very anti-learning, and I must also add, very unscientific, to develop an attitude such as yours, which leads people to become frightened of being mocked for their observations. There are countless people who do not report their supposed UFO sightings for exactly this reason: the fear of mockery. I hope you realize the dangerous similarity that that mockery bears with medieval institutionalized thought.

There is nothing that should not be investigated - and from an open point of view also: NOBODY should ever have the notion that he ought not mention this or that point of view because it is unorthodox and will be mocked. Sincerely I conveyed this point to you FIRST thing once I opened the thread, but I see you could not resist it: you have turned the thread into an or[i]g[/i]y of mockery of anything that does not rhyme with your view: I consider this most ill considered - and in my personal view, will only amount to the equivalent of those who opposed radically correct thinkers in the past: you ought to note this and be careful of this.

Otherwise there is no reason why you should be making statements such as "The Quest for atlantis featuring Jenwitemi " - in a hopelessly misfooted hope to ridicule - whereas I cannot imagine what there is to be ridiculed about the idea that there are lost civilizations on this planet - which is just what the Atlantis legend alludes to. This is all the more worrisome when judged against the fact that you yourself in a post on this thread stated that, yes, civilizations are indeed lost via natural disasters, etc. Shortly after, you turn around to mock people who believe just that. That is irksome: even a tad ch.ildish, if you dont mind my saying so.

I should probably throw into the mix the fact that notwithstanding that you said that natural disasters do erase records, etc, you also demanded where all the lost records are. Please you really need to decide for yourself what you are arguing my friend.