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|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by mazaje(m): 3:35pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Many things Jenwitedem. . . .
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by PastorKun(m): 3:39pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Why should we leave the programme out of it? Is it not relevant to the topic? Asides they are reporting/ investigating real life events witnessed by thousands of people. The phoenix UFO case was reported by Fox news and CNN when it happened, witnessed by thousands including the state governor are we to dismiss all the credible reports we get just becos someone decides to do a 'show' on the subject matter?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Jenwitemi(m): 3:56pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Like. . . ?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Jenwitemi(m): 3:58pm On Feb 28, 2012|
This is not argument but debating.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 4:26pm On Feb 28, 2012|
No, I did not cite him as a source Martian. Yes, he wrote that book, but this is the exact quote -
The idea first gained widespread exposure with the 1968 publication of Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken, but the concept has been around since the middle of the 19th century.
Please note the bolded in the red extract above.
Now I must seize this spot to say something about the idea of ridiculing people for making these suggestions. Ridicule is a frail thing. Many times in history the ridiculed ones have with time turned out to be the ones who had far sighted vision with their much ridiculed ideas. This is the context in which i mentioned Corpernicus and Galileo. You countered by saying that those gentlemen used science - agreed - but what is being used here? Is there not science at play? Is Archaelogy not a science? How do we unearth these artefacts if not with archaelogy? The dating methods deployed in studying the age of these artefacts, the various experiments conducted on them - are all these not sciences?
Look, we should simply express disagreement where we disagree and advance reasons therefore, and not seek to ridicule those of a different, albeit more imaginative point of view. Particularly in this case where there is a vast amount of material to suggest that such ideas are not entirely looney.
The fact is that there have been different tests. The tests I saw reported great results. Its not entirely impossible that some conduct better replica tests than others.
In answer to your question about the back / face of the artefact, I would ask you to note carefully that that is the only way an ancient man will see such a craft - as a bird or some such - and may potray it as such. But what betrays the fact that it was not a bird was the fact that it had ridges for tail rudders. No matter - I promised you that if you dispute any pictures I will leave them. So what say you about this one - I noticed you failed to comment on it, is it also a bird? -
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 4:54pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Now i know for sure I wished to discuss progressively through ancient art and then ancient text. But I will have to jump the gun a bit because I truly love to discuss the Nazca lines.
There is much that has been said about these lines, but let us calm down for once and reason.
1. These precise patterns cover large expanses of land for many hundreds of miles
2. The pattern of these lines are absolutely not observable from the ground.
3. The pattern of these lines are ONLY observable at a great aerial height.
4. According to mainstream history, human flight had not been invented.
Can you think carefully about this, Martian? Who then was meant to observe these astonishing patterns - if thsoe who made the patterns could NEVER observe them themselves? What was the purpose of these astonishing feats?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:10pm On Feb 28, 2012|
I knew the Nazca lines were next, just keep in mind that they can be seen from the mountains surrounding the site. I've seen all these shows with these same "evidence" you are parading. I'm waiting for Roswell. I'll read the your stuff later.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2012|
They are coming out of the woodwork Deepsight. If this one knew about the Clinton example I gave in the other thread, she's the type that will turn it into illuminati stuff. Those alien shows and whatnot are meant for people like her.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:59pm On Feb 28, 2012|
The foundation is still Daniken because he was the was that articulated the ideas and his book is the foundation. That's why he was in your first post. You can't just exclude him when he is the epitome of your ideas.
Archeology. That's the end of the science involved. The rest are conjectures and manufactured tales. Besides, this UFO specialists never the digging and dating. They just add they wild opinions.
How come Africans never see UFOs? When was the last time you heard of a UFO over Agege Market?
It's obviously a bird!!! The other artifacts you got from the same source on the Ancient aliens! nevertheless, they could be anything. And if they were based on anything, it's more believable that they are based on a dragonfly, bird or something that culture knew about. I did a research on them and the sources were all UFO type of sites and I wasn't in the mood for the BS I'll debunk them when Im less busy.
Let's see the "test" results that convinced you that a obvious wooden bird is really a plane. Just like I showed Karnak temple and the sun.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 7:02pm On Feb 28, 2012|
I can't figure this out, therefore Aliens!!
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 7:14pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Credible? There are no confirmed reports about the 97 episode and 2008 was allegedly a hoax by a civilian. Why did the governor back away from the first claim when he was in office?
He reminds of Jesse Ventura(a former governor of Minnesota) who has a show about conspiracy theories.
Diluminati should go find it on "Tru Tv", maybe she'll find clues about Larry Silverstein.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by jayriginal: 7:25pm On Feb 28, 2012|
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by plaetton: 8:03pm On Feb 28, 2012|
This heiroglyph is etched in a temple in abydos. Did the egyptians travel to the future to glimpse these machines or did we travel to the past to etche these crafts on an egyptian temple? or, did they witness these crafts in thier time?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by vescucci(m): 8:05pm On Feb 28, 2012|
I was reading through the thread and suddenly got very tired after the first dozen posts or so. I don't believe in aliens. I believe there are probably other beings in the universe, be it merely life forms or highly intelligent and advanced creatures. But I don't believe in aliens cuz that means, they visited Earth, which they're not from. I try to be simple in my thinking. The closest star to us is Andromeda if I am not mistaken. I don't exactly remember how far away it is. But I know it is ridiculously far away. And it'd take forever and ever for an alien living in probably one of the planets in Andromeda's gravitational field to get here. That is if the aliens had somehow found out that we are here and all. And that is if they're somehow able to live forever and ever to not be 'skeletons' by the time they get here. Say, the aircrafts being depicted and 'recreated' by these ancient folk are unmanned (unaliened) scouts, how will we explain all the crazy things they have 'apparently built? And I don't think they'd come here with such primitive looking crafts. The Stone henge et al. In fact, I've gotten tired of what I'm saying. Lemme just say, not every crazy thing we cannot explain can be explained by even crazier theories. Any theory proposed, can be dismissed scientifically since they raise more questions they answer.
But I really have to ask, do some of you believe in these aliens or you're simply ready to entertain the thought of them?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by vescucci(m): 8:11pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Lol. The eye sees what the eye wants to see. You may see aircrafts and if it suits me, I may see designer socks by Ralph Laurent.
There's a show on NatGeoWild with this scientist who goes around looking for strange undocumented creatures. You can see it in his eyes that he's just making a living and doesn't believe in all the BS he comes across. I'm willing to accept a supernatural explanation to these things though. And in which case, it can never be proven.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:07pm On Feb 28, 2012|
I know what you mean.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:17pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:19pm On Feb 28, 2012|
If the ancient Egyptians had vehicles such as helicopters, submarines, and jet airplanes, one would expect to find some evidence of this other than in a single inscription on the lintel of a single temple. This type of large machinery requires a vast amount of support (including fuel, parts, factories, etc.) but there is no trace of any such support in all of Egypt. The Egyptian literature is also bereft of any boast, much less passing mention, of advanced aircraft. Obviously this situation doesn't seem peculiar to those who really want to believe that the ancient Egyptians flew around in airplanes.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:52pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Humans are fully capable of that.
Contrary to the popular belief that the lines and figures can only be seen with the aid of flight, they are visible from atop the surrounding foothills. They were first discovered by the Peruvian archaeologist Toribio Mejia Xesspe, who spotted them when hiking through the foothills in 1927. He discussed them at a conference in Lima in 1939.
The ancients were fascinated by the stars. WE are fascinated by the stars, galaxies, planets etc. They worshipped the stars. We don't. They could have been doing something connected with their spirituality.
They could have been practicing art on a large scale.
And just for the hell of it, maybe they saw some flying spacecraft and decided to draw all kinds of sh#t in order to get some attention. This is not too farfetched if you can imagine us sending one of our unmanned spacecrafts to visit one of jupiter or saturn's moons that could sustain life. What if intelligent beings on one of those moons decided to draw lines on the ground so maybe they get the attention of the spacecraft?
BUT IT'S STILL FANTASY.
According to the other guys.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by justcool(m): 9:56pm On Feb 28, 2012|
@Deepsight and others who might want to entertain my perception, I will offer my perceptions on this issue. This is an issue which has led so many seekers astray, especially in the face of the allegedly overwhelming evidence supporting the theory alien visitations.
(1). Are there life in other parts of this physical realm? The simple answer is “Yes”.
The physical realm is made of seven different parts. Each part consists of many galaxies which are made up of many solar systems. In each of these seven parts of the universe there is a galaxy, in which one of the solar systems contains a planet that harbors life.
But it is impossible for any life form to go from one of the seven parts of the physical ream to another. The distance is unimaginable to the human mind. Hence no living thing or creature has ever been able to make it from one of the other six parts of the physical realm to the earth.
Therefore the argument that aliens visited the earth from other galaxies or universes is terribly wrong and burn out of the lack of knowledge of the structure and laws of creation. But there is a reason why these ideas are very prevalent today. It’s is born from the inner sensing of the fact that most of the inhabitants of the earth today do not belong to the earth.
(2) Did the builders of the ancient monuments like the great Pyramid receive help from non-humans? The simple answer is “Yes”
Behind all the forces of nature stand elemental beings. There are elemental beings who work on earth, mountains and etc. There are others who work on water, rivers, oceans and etc. There are others who work on air and others, like the salamanders, who work of fire.
These non-physical beings help in the formation and evolution of the earth, indeed the whole physical realm. With their radiations they give rise to things like earthquakes, movement of the tectonic plates and etc. when it is necessary. They are always busy working behind the forces of nature.
Some of these beings are small in size while others are humongous. Some are far bigger than mountains, even planets and solar system. Indeed each planet is under the protection of a particular elemental being
The ancients, as well as some today, were working closely with these elementals. Some of the ancients could see them, talk with them and learn a lot from them. Some people especially childeren still see them today. But today most adults no longer see them, and hence the knowlege of them has been lost and stories about them have degenerated into folk tales and legends which nolonger correspond to reality. Animals today still see them; this is why whenever a natural disaster is about to occur, animals usually flee the scene. The animals seeing the elementals gathering to move a tectonic plate, for example, would flee from the area and hence not caught up or killed in the natural disaster that such tectonic movement could cause.
Only the modern man who has closed himself to all non-physical perception by believing that only the physical exist gets caught up and killed in such disasters. This is his fault, even though he likes to blame God for it.
It is this beings that helped the ancient in the construction of some of the large monuments we see today. I know sure that the Egyptians employed the help of the elementals during the construction of the great Pyramid which has a huge spiritual significance. Hence the Egyptians were able to move giant stones and achieve a precision that the modern man whit his illusion of technological advancement may never understand.
(3) Are some of the drawings on the walls of ancient monuments actually modern Machines like Helicopters, Airplanes, and etc? The simple answer is: “Yes”
While most of them are just replicas or drawings of birds and etc. It is very possible for the ancient, centuries of years ago, to have seen airplanes and etc. Does this mean aliens visitation? No! How then is this possible?
One who knows the laws of creation knows that the evolution of everything lies in the inner worlds. What we see on earth, the physical realm, or the world coarsest gross matter is only a manifestation or precipitation of prototypes that already exist in the higher planes. Indeed the physical plane is only a coarser and heavier representation of the astral plane. Hence everything on earth now, and some things that will later be invented on earth, already exist in the astral plane.
The clairvoyant ones among the ancients could have seen these things and painted them on the wall of their buildings, only for the modern man to behold them centuries later and marvel in confusion.
I will give an example, for centuries before the flying machines were built, many a man have racked his brain thinking of how to build a flying vehicle. Backed by the burning desire to transvers vast distances men racked their brains. All our desires and all that we think and intuitively perceive take on for in the beyond. It happened that such thoughts accumulated and a flying vehicle materialized in the beyond. As men indulged in such thoughts, these forms in the beyond evolve. Till they press down on one individual or some individuals who would pass them down as in build them physically. Such individuals, like great scientists and inventors often report of an overwhelming inspiration. This inspiration, which they could not explain, which is often so strong that it forces them to even endanger their lives in their quest to invent, comes from the powerful model which already exist in the beyond; and which they are connected to yet not being physically aware of it.
Hence before the write brothers built the first airplane, airplanes already existed in the astral plane. The Write brothers were chosen to pass it down because they possess the necessary requirements for it. I.e. they were good scientists and understand the natural laws of physics.
And the astral plane, especially the part of it that leads towards the earth, is so earthlike that some observes may misconstrue them as being physical. Under certain circumstances a very apt physical eye might even be able to see astral things. This does not violate the law of attraction of homogenous species because both astral and physical still belong to gross matter. Physical is coarsest or heaviest gross matter, while astral is medium gross matter.
(4) Were things like the Nazca lines constructed for aliens to view? The simple answer is No.
Even though it is quite obvious that the Nazca lines are too big for a man standing on the earth, or even any mountain, to fully appreciate or observe; one must never forget that man is not confined to his physical body. Some of these ancients were vast in things like astral projection and astral travel that they can leave their physical body and observe their entire civilization from far above.
I know for sure that the ancient leaders across the vast continents used to have a meeting together. If such a meeting is to be held in Egypt, the leader of the other empires in other continents would travel to Egypt through astral projection.
(5) Have people actually seen strange aliens? The simple answer is “Yes.”
Not all the people who have claimed to have seen strange one eyed aliens with big heads and etc are lying. But what they see are not physical, neither are they creatures from other planets, nor are they real creatures as such. Just as I explained above, our thoughts take on forms in the planes of fine gross matter. After watching so many science fiction films and hearing so many scary stories about ets, some people can get the thought out of their minds. Sometimes this fear is so real that it heartfelt, it involves the spiritual intuition and hence a terribly powerful ET is created in the beyond. Connected to its creators, it torments them. The same way idol used to tenement ancient idol worshipers. The clairvoyant ones can see these creatures and misconstrue them as being physical. Then he will talk about and when subjected to the lie detector test, to people’s surprise, he passes. Proving that he wasn’t lying!
Either way you look at it, such aliens like ET, one eyed and big headed Martians, are nothing but products or humans unhealthy imagination. They were all created by humans, but this does not mean that they are not real or that they are harmless. Everything is real; everything that you can think of is real. They could be very harmful to people who live under their fear.
Humans in other parts of the seven parts of the physical realm do not look like ETs. They have human forms; this form is uniform in all creation, from the spiritual to the coarsest matter. There are no creatures of God that have two heads, one eye, or look like ETs. Such forms do not accord with the will of God.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by UyiIredia(m): 10:17pm On Feb 28, 2012|
@ Deep Sight & Martian
First off: I don't believe in aliens or the possibility of aliens. To me, they are kids fairytales. I recall times as a young child when my Dad told me of UFO's and series like Alan Strange & The X Files made the concept more real to me. I'm past that. However, I think it's worthy to regard the depictions as reminiscent of the the active imaginations of men who foresaw the technologies that are presently ubiquitous. I'm very sure these civilizations helped lay the foundation that has taken modern humanity to its present state & this is why I hate it when some atheists imply that past civilizations had little scientific knowledge. I so doubt this. As a matter of fact I think such people would have been active thinkers because they didn't live in a society like ours which gives lots of room to complacency.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Observer1: 11:42pm On Feb 28, 2012|
My question to all u that blive that aliens exist,are aliens racist?how come they only appear in the western societies and only abduct only white folks.
I have heard and read about some pple claiming they were abducted by an alien.I dont agree or disagree in the existence of alien but why do they ignore
africans and other third world countries.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by aletheia(m): 11:50pm On Feb 28, 2012|
Did "Aliens" walk the earth in the past. I believe yes. . .by alien I understand them to not have been earth-born but fallen angels. Thus there remains in the memes of older pre-modern civilizations stories of departing otherworldly beings e.g. Quetzacoatl of the Aztecs and so on.
Err. . .just one question: if it is impossible to traverse from one part to the other and there is no interaction as you say, how did you know that the other six parts exist?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by aletheia(m): 12:14am On Feb 29, 2012|
Concerning the Great Pyramid
Let us turn our attention briefly to the matter of the purpose or multiple purposes of the Great Pyramid, drawing for our discussion on both the exact measurements made by modern scientists and the mythic legends of the remote past. A few facts:
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by plaetton: 12:57am On Feb 29, 2012|
It is very interesting that almost everyone believes In angels(who , by the way, are not from this world), and God or gods, who live somewhere in the heavens(the sky), yet most people scuff at the possiblity of non-human life existing and perhaps periodically visiting our planet.
I guess we all pick and choose what we want to beleive irrespective of whatever evidence that might or might not exist to validate our beliefes.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by justcool(m): 1:32am On Feb 29, 2012|
My knowledge about the other parts of the physical realm came from above the physical realm and not from those other parts. To survey something you have to stand above it; you can't survey a thing thoroughly when you are trapped within that thing. Hence in some issues we employ our non-physical organs of perception. There is a thing called intuitive perception or spiritual perception.
But by the way let me throw back your question to you. How did you know that Pluto exists when you haven't been there and there is no interaction between Pluto and earth in terms of visitations? Or would you ague that plutonians have visited the Earth?
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 1:57am On Feb 29, 2012|
I wash my hands of this thread like Pontius Pilate.Bye Deepsight, these folks are now talking about seeing the universe from other realms.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 8:24am On Feb 29, 2012|
Nobody said they belonged to the Egyptians. The suggestion is that they saw such things and reflected them in some artworks.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 8:34am On Feb 29, 2012|
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 8:43am On Feb 29, 2012|
Andromeda is not a star. It is a galaxy.
Within our galaxy alone, there are hundreds of billions of stars.
Our sun is just one star. What makes you think that there are no life bearing planets amongst all the other 200 - 400 billion stars in this galaxy of ours.
Actually, research has already started to identify planets with life bearing potential.
Kepler spacecraft of NASA which searches for new planets has found an alien world in a habitable zone of star which can allow for life and water
The Kepler also discovered 1000 new planets, bringing the count of discovered planets outside our solar system to 2326 found using this spacecraft. This number has been achieved in 16 months of operation by this spacecraft.
The newly discovered planet has a star which it orbits around like our earth orbits around sun. It is 600 light years away from earth and located in region called Kepler 22-b. It has a radius 2.4 times bigger than that of earth. The temperature on this planet is pretty much same as that on earth, making it a place able to support life.
But I really have to ask, do some of you believe in these aliens or you're simply ready to entertain the thought of them?
I think I would be a most limited mind, to close myself to the possibility.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by DeepSight(m): 8:49am On Feb 29, 2012|
You should not be so intolerant as to abandon a thread simply because you hear a viewpoint that is alien to yours.
|Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 10:24am On Feb 29, 2012|
I didn't know you know how to read hieroglyphs.
Well,if someone says his peace and the so called viewpoints sound like Harry potter/ twilight magic of flying and going to other realms, I'll rather excuse myself. If you think it's intolerant, that's just your viewpoint.
Besides, why am I discussing pseudoscience? What's next, Scientologists and body Thetans?
If you believe all these alien shows and websites off I'll repute, then you SHOULD believe scientology. They even developed a religion based on their own Ancient Alien.
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