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Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by mazaje(m): 3:35pm On Feb 28, 2012
Jenwitemi:

What has conspiracy theories got to do with this topic, mazaye?

Many things Jenwitedem. . . .
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Pastor Kun(m): 3:39pm On Feb 28, 2012
Martian:

Can we please leave these "ufo, alien," etc shows out of it? There is a show called "Finding BigFoot", are we now to start discussing big foot? what about the lochness monster?

Why should we leave the programme out of it? Is it not relevant to the topic? Asides they are reporting/ investigating real life events witnessed by thousands of people. The phoenix UFO case was reported by Fox news and CNN when it happened, witnessed by thousands including the state governor are we to dismiss all the credible reports we get just becos someone decides to do a 'show' on the subject matter?
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Jenwitemi(m): 3:56pm On Feb 28, 2012
Like. . . ?
mazaje:

Many things Jenwitedem. . . .
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Jenwitemi(m): 3:58pm On Feb 28, 2012
This is not argument but debating.
diluminati:

Arguing with Martian is like hitting your head against a rock until blood gushes out!
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 4:26pm On Feb 28, 2012
Hey Martisn

Martian:

He is the source.

No, I did not cite him as a source Martian. Yes, he wrote that book, but this is the exact quote -

The idea first gained widespread exposure with the 1968 publication of Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken, but the concept has been around since the middle of the 19th century.

Please note the bolded in the red extract above.

Now I must seize this spot to say something about the idea of ridiculing people for making these suggestions. Ridicule is a frail thing. Many times in history the ridiculed ones have with time turned out to be the ones who had far sighted vision with their much ridiculed ideas. This is the context in which i mentioned Corpernicus and Galileo. You countered by saying that those gentlemen used science - agreed - but what is being used here? Is there not science at play? Is Archaelogy not a science? How do we unearth these artefacts if not with archaelogy? The dating methods deployed in studying the age of these artefacts, the various experiments conducted on them - are all these not sciences?

Look, we should simply express disagreement where we disagree and advance reasons therefore, and not seek to ridicule those of a different, albeit more imaginative point of view. Particularly in this case where there is a vast amount of material to suggest that such ideas are not entirely looney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqqara_Bird
Messiha built a model of the Saqqara Bird to test for its aerodynamic efficiency. His model was six times larger than the dimensions of the original in an attempt to maintain its proportional aerodynamic efficiency,[7] and was given a horizontal tailplane to act as a stabilizer, which Messiha believed is a missing part of the original model. Messiha insisted that he was able to make his model fly.[8]

In an attempt to discover whether claims of aerodynamic properties of the Saqqara Bird were correct, Martin Gregorie, a builder and designer of free flight gliders, built a replica of the Saqqara Bird made of balsa wood. After testing this replica, Gregorie concluded: "the Saqqara Bird never flew. It is totally unstable without a tailplane…Even after a tailplane was fitted the glide performance was disappointing."[9] He added: "the Saqqara Bird was probably made as a child's toy or a weather vane."[9]

Who is Lumir G Janku? Notice how he took the picture of the "wooden aircraft" from the back? This source is therefore unreliable and dishonest so he is going to see ancient astronauts in everything.

The fact is that there have been different tests. The tests I saw reported great results. Its not entirely impossible that some conduct better replica tests than others.

In answer to your question about the back / face of the artefact, I would ask you to note carefully that that is the only way an ancient man will see such a craft - as a bird or some such - and may potray it as such. But what betrays the fact that it was not a bird was the fact that it had ridges for tail rudders. No matter - I promised you that if you dispute any pictures I will leave them. So what say you about this one - I noticed you failed to comment on it, is it also a bird? -

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 4:54pm On Feb 28, 2012
Now i know for sure I wished to discuss progressively through ancient art and then ancient text. But I will have to jump the gun a bit because I truly love to discuss the Nazca lines.

There is much that has been said about these lines, but let us calm down for once and reason.

1. These precise patterns cover large expanses of land for many hundreds of miles

2. The pattern of these lines are absolutely not observable from the ground.

3. The pattern of these lines are ONLY observable at a great aerial height.

4. According to mainstream history, human flight had not been invented.

Can you think carefully about this, Martian? Who then was meant to observe these astonishing patterns - if thsoe who made the patterns could NEVER observe them themselves? What was the purpose of these astonishing feats?

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:10pm On Feb 28, 2012
I knew the Nazca lines were next, just keep in mind that they can be seen from the mountains surrounding the site. I've seen all these shows with these same "evidence" you are parading. I'm waiting for Roswell. I'll read the your stuff later.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2012
diluminati:

Arguing with Martian is like hitting your head against a rock until blood gushes out!

They are coming out of the woodwork Deepsight. If this one knew about the Clinton example I gave in the other thread, she's the type that will turn it into illuminati stuff. Those alien shows and whatnot are meant for people like her.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 6:59pm On Feb 28, 2012
Deep Sight:

Hey Martisn

No, I did not cite him as a source Martian. Yes, he wrote that book, but this is the exact quote -

The idea first gained widespread exposure with the 1968 publication of Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken, but the concept has been around since the middle of the 19th century.

The foundation is still Daniken because he was the was that articulated the ideas and his book is the foundation. That's why he was in your first post. You can't just exclude him when he is the epitome of your ideas.
Deep Sight:

Now I must seize this spot to say something about the idea of ridiculing people for making these suggestions. Ridicule is a frail thing. Many times in history the ridiculed ones have with time turned out to be the ones who had far sighted vision with their much ridiculed ideas. This is the context in which i mentioned Corpernicus and Galileo. You countered by saying that those gentlemen used science - agreed - but what is being used here? Is there not science at play? Is Archaelogy not a science? How do we unearth these artefacts if not with archaelogy? The dating methods deployed in studying the age of these artefacts, the various experiments conducted on them - are all these not sciences?

Archeology. That's the end of the science involved. The rest are conjectures and manufactured tales. Besides, this UFO specialists never the digging and dating. They just add they wild opinions.
How come Africans never see UFOs? When was the last time you heard of a UFO over Agege Market?

Deep Sight:

Look, we should simply express disagreement where we disagree and advance reasons therefore, and not seek to ridicule those of a different, albeit more imaginative point of view. Particularly in this case where there is a vast amount of material to suggest that such ideas are not entirely looney.
The fact is that there have been different tests. The tests I saw reported great results. Its not entirely impossible that some conduct better replica tests than others.
In answer to your question about the back / face of the artefact, I would ask you to note carefully that that is the only way an ancient man will see such a craft - as a bird or some such - and may potray it as such. But what betrays the fact that it was not a bird was the fact that it had ridges for tail rudders. No matter - I promised you that if you dispute any pictures I will leave them. So what say you about this one - I noticed you failed to comment on it, is it also a bird? -

It's obviously a bird!!!  The other artifacts you got from the same source on the Ancient aliens! nevertheless, they could be anything. And if they were based on anything, it's more believable that they are based on a dragonfly, bird or something that culture knew about. I did a research on them and the sources were all UFO type of sites and I wasn't in the mood for the BS I'll debunk them when Im less busy.

Let's see the "test" results that convinced you that a obvious wooden bird is really a plane. Just like I showed Karnak temple and the sun.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 7:02pm On Feb 28, 2012
Pastor Kun:

@ Jenwitemi
Thanx I have already googled it, perhaps Martian would be able to give us a 'rational' explaination as to how the ancients cut with precision and moved over large distances stone blocks weighing hundreds of tonnes.

I can't figure this out, therefore Aliens!!
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 7:14pm On Feb 28, 2012
Pastor Kun:

Why should we leave the programme out of it? Is it not relevant to the topic? Asides they are reporting/ investigating real life events witnessed by thousands of people. The phoenix UFO case was reported by Fox news and CNN when it happened, witnessed by thousands including the state governor are we to dismiss all the credible reports we get just becos someone decides to do a 'show' on the subject matter?

Credible? There are no confirmed reports about the 97 episode and 2008 was allegedly a hoax by a civilian. Why did the governor back away from the first claim when he was in office?
He reminds of Jesse Ventura(a former governor of Minnesota) who has a show about conspiracy theories.
Diluminati should go find it on "Tru Tv", maybe she'll find clues about Larry Silverstein.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by jayriginal: 7:25pm On Feb 28, 2012
Deep Sight:

Here is an extracted analysis of the Wooden airplane sculpture found in Egypt -

By Lumir G. Janku

"This object (shown in sketch) was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE. As airplanes were unknown in the days when it was found, it was thrown into a box marked "wooden bird model" and then stored in the basement of the Cairo museum.

It was rediscovered by Dr. Khalil Messiha, who studied models made by ancients. The "discovery" was considered so important by the Egyptian government that a special committee of leading scientists was established to study the object.

As a result of their findings, a special exhibit was set up in the center hall of the Cairo museum, with the little model as its centerpiece. It was even labelled as a model airplane. 

To elucidate the reasons for the decision of the committee, almost unprecedented in the field of archeology, let's consider some aspects of the model. The model has the exact proportions of a very advanced form of "pusher-glider" that is still having "some bugs ironed out". This type of glider will stay in the air almost by itself—even a very small engine will keep it going at low speeds, as low as 45 to 65 mph., while it can carry an enormous payload. This ability is dependent on the curious shape of wings and their proportions. The tipping of wings downward, a reversedihedral wing as it is called, is the feature behind this capability. A similar type of curving wings are implemented on the Concorde airplane, giving the plane a maximum lift without detracting from its speed.

In that context, it seems rather incredible that someone, more than 2,000 years ago, for any reason, devised a model of a flying device with such advanced features, requiring quite extensive knowledge of aerodynamics. There were no such things as airplanes in these times, we are told by archeologists and historians. But this case seems to be an exception, living in the midst of the rather unimaginative and rigid paradigm of contemporary science. It is also necessary to point out that Egyptians are known to have nearly always made scale-models of projects and objects which they planned to create or build."


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Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by plaetton: 8:03pm On Feb 28, 2012
This heiroglyph is etched in a temple in abydos. Did the egyptians travel to the future to glimpse these machines or did we travel to the past to etche these crafts on an egyptian temple? or, did they witness these crafts in thier time?

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by vescucci(m): 8:05pm On Feb 28, 2012
I was reading through the thread and suddenly got very tired after the first dozen posts or so. I don't believe in aliens. I believe there are probably other beings in the universe, be it merely life forms or highly intelligent and advanced creatures. But I don't believe in aliens cuz that means, they visited Earth, which they're not from. I try to be simple in my thinking. The closest star to us is Andromeda if I am not mistaken. I don't exactly remember how far away it is. But I know it is ridiculously far away. And it'd take forever and ever for an alien living in probably one of the planets in Andromeda's gravitational field to get here. That is if the aliens had somehow found out that we are here and all. And that is if they're somehow able to live forever and ever to not be 'skeletons' by the time they get here. Say, the aircrafts being depicted and 'recreated' by these ancient folk are unmanned (unaliened) scouts, how will we explain all the crazy things they have 'apparently built? And I don't think they'd come here with such primitive looking crafts. The Stone henge et al. In fact, I've gotten tired of what I'm saying. Lemme just say, not every crazy thing we cannot explain can be explained by even crazier theories. Any theory proposed, can be dismissed scientifically since they raise more questions they answer.


But I really have to ask, do some of you believe in these aliens or you're simply ready to entertain the thought of them?
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by vescucci(m): 8:11pm On Feb 28, 2012
plaetton:

This heiroglyph is etched in a temple in abydos. Did the egyptians travel to the future to glimpse these machines or dod we travel to the past to etch these crafts on an egyptian temple? or, dod the witness these craft in thier time?

Lol. The eye sees what the eye wants to see. You may see aircrafts and if it suits me, I may see designer socks by Ralph Laurent.

There's a show on NatGeoWild with this scientist who goes around looking for strange undocumented creatures. You can see it in his eyes that he's just making a living and doesn't believe in all the BS he comes across. I'm willing to accept a supernatural explanation to these things though. And in which case, it can never be proven.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:07pm On Feb 28, 2012
vescucci:

I was reading through the thread and suddenly got very tired after the first dozen posts or so.

I know what you mean.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:17pm On Feb 28, 2012
plaetton:

This heiroglyph is etched in a temple in abydos. Did the egyptians travel to the future to glimpse these machines or did we travel to the past to etche these crafts on an egyptian temple? or, did they witness these crafts in thier time?


vescucci:

Lol. The eye sees what the eye wants to see. You may see aircrafts and if it suits me, I may see designer socks by Ralph Laurent.

Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

http://members.tripod.com/a_u_r_a/abydos.html

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:19pm On Feb 28, 2012
http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html

If the ancient Egyptians had vehicles such as helicopters, submarines, and jet airplanes, one would expect to find some evidence of this other than in a single inscription on the lintel of a single temple. This type of large machinery requires a vast amount of support (including fuel, parts, factories, etc.) but there is no trace of any such support in all of Egypt. The Egyptian literature is also bereft of any boast, much less passing mention, of advanced aircraft. Obviously this situation doesn't seem peculiar to those who really want to believe that the ancient Egyptians flew around in airplanes.

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 9:52pm On Feb 28, 2012
Deep Sight:

Now i know for sure I wished to discuss progressively through ancient art and then ancient text. But I will have to jump the gun a bit because I truly love to discuss the Nazca lines.

There is much that has been said about these lines, but let us calm down for once and reason.

1. These precise patterns cover large expanses of land for many hundreds of miles

Humans are fully capable of that.

Deep Sight:

2. The pattern of these lines are absolutely not observable from the ground.
3. The pattern of these lines are ONLY observable at a great aerial height


Contrary to the popular belief that the lines and figures can only be seen with the aid of flight, they are visible from atop the surrounding foothills. They were first discovered by the Peruvian archaeologist Toribio Mejia Xesspe, who spotted them when hiking through the foothills in 1927. He discussed them at a conference in Lima in 1939.[3]

The ancients were fascinated by the stars. WE are fascinated by the stars, galaxies, planets etc.  They worshipped the stars. We don't. They could have been doing something connected with their spirituality.
They could have been practicing art on a large scale.

And just for the hell of it, maybe they saw some flying spacecraft and decided to draw all kinds of sh#t in order to get some attention.  smiley This is not too farfetched if you can imagine us sending one of our unmanned spacecrafts to visit one of jupiter or saturn's moons that could sustain life. What if intelligent beings on one of those moons decided to draw lines on the ground so maybe they get the attention of the spacecraft?

BUT IT'S STILL FANTASY
.

Deep Sight:

4. According to mainstream history, human flight had not been invented.

According to the other guys.

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by justcool(m): 9:56pm On Feb 28, 2012
@Deepsight and others who might want to entertain my perception, I will offer my perceptions on this issue. This is an issue which has led so many seekers astray, especially in the face of the allegedly overwhelming evidence supporting the theory alien visitations.

(1). Are there life in other parts of this physical realm? The simple answer is “Yes”.

The physical realm is made of seven different parts. Each part consists of many galaxies which are made up of many solar systems. In each of these seven parts of the universe there is a galaxy, in which one of the solar systems contains a planet that harbors life.

But it is impossible for any life form to go from one of the seven parts of the physical ream to another. The distance is unimaginable to the human mind. Hence no living thing or creature has ever been able to make it from one of the other six parts of the physical realm to the earth.

Therefore the argument that aliens visited the earth from other galaxies or universes is terribly wrong and burn out of the lack of knowledge of the structure and laws of creation. But there is a reason why these ideas are very prevalent today. It’s is born from the inner sensing of the fact that most of the inhabitants of the earth today do not belong to the earth.

(2) Did the builders of the ancient monuments like the great Pyramid receive help from non-humans? The simple answer is “Yes”

Behind all the forces of nature stand elemental beings. There are elemental beings who work on earth, mountains and etc. There are others who work on water, rivers, oceans and etc. There are others who work on air and others, like the salamanders, who work of fire.

These non-physical beings help in the formation and evolution of the earth, indeed the whole physical realm. With their radiations they give rise to things like earthquakes, movement of the tectonic plates and etc. when it is necessary. They are always busy working behind the forces of nature.

Some of these beings are small in size while others are humongous.  Some are far bigger than mountains, even planets and solar system. Indeed each planet is under the protection of a particular elemental being

The ancients, as well as some today, were working closely with these elementals. Some of the ancients could see them, talk with them and learn a lot from them. Some people especially childeren still see them today. But today most adults no longer see them, and hence the knowlege of them has been lost and stories about them have degenerated into folk tales and legends which nolonger correspond to reality. Animals today still see them; this is why whenever a natural disaster is about to occur, animals usually flee the scene. The animals seeing the elementals gathering to move a tectonic plate, for example, would flee from the area and hence not caught up or killed in the natural disaster that such tectonic movement could cause.

Only the modern man who has closed himself to all non-physical perception by believing that only the physical exist gets caught up and killed in such disasters. This is his fault, even though he likes to blame God for it.

It is this beings that helped the ancient in the construction of some of the large monuments we see today. I know sure that the Egyptians employed the help of the elementals during the construction of the great Pyramid which has a huge spiritual significance. Hence the Egyptians were able to move giant stones and achieve a precision that the modern man whit his illusion of technological advancement may never understand.


(3) Are some of the drawings on the walls of ancient monuments actually modern Machines like Helicopters, Airplanes, and etc? The simple answer is: “Yes”

While most of them are just replicas or drawings of birds and etc. It is very possible for the ancient, centuries of years ago, to have seen airplanes and etc. Does this mean aliens visitation? No! How then is this possible?

One who knows the laws of creation knows that the evolution of everything lies in the inner worlds. What we see on earth, the physical realm, or the world coarsest gross matter is only a manifestation or precipitation of prototypes that already exist in the higher planes. Indeed the physical plane is only a coarser and heavier representation of the astral plane. Hence everything on earth now, and some things that will later be invented on earth, already exist in the astral plane.

The clairvoyant ones among the ancients could have seen these things and painted them on the wall of their buildings, only for the modern man to behold them centuries later and marvel in confusion.

I will give an example, for centuries before the flying machines were built, many a man have racked his brain thinking of how to build a flying vehicle. Backed by the burning desire to transvers vast distances men racked their brains. All our desires and all that we think and intuitively perceive take on for in the beyond. It happened that such thoughts accumulated and a flying vehicle materialized in the beyond. As men indulged in such thoughts, these forms in the beyond evolve. Till they press down on one individual or some individuals who would pass them down as in build them physically. Such individuals, like great scientists and inventors often report of an overwhelming inspiration. This inspiration, which they could not explain, which is often so strong that it forces them to even endanger their lives in their quest to invent, comes from the powerful model which already exist in the beyond; and which they are connected to yet not being physically aware of it.

Hence before the write brothers built the first airplane, airplanes already existed in the astral plane. The Write brothers were chosen to pass it down because they possess the necessary requirements for it. I.e. they were good scientists and understand the natural laws of physics.

And the astral plane, especially the part of it that leads towards the earth, is so earthlike that some observes may misconstrue them as being physical. Under certain circumstances a very apt physical eye might even be able to see astral things. This does not violate the law of attraction of homogenous species because both astral and physical still belong to gross matter. Physical is coarsest or heaviest gross matter, while astral is medium gross matter.


(4) Were things like the Nazca lines constructed for aliens to view? The simple answer is No.

Even though it is quite obvious that the Nazca lines are too big for a man standing on the earth, or even any mountain, to fully appreciate or observe; one must never forget that man is not confined to his physical body. Some of these ancients were vast in things like astral projection and astral travel that they can leave their physical body and observe their entire civilization from far above.

I know for sure that the ancient leaders across the vast continents used to have a meeting together. If such a meeting is to be held in Egypt, the leader of the other empires in other continents would travel to Egypt through astral projection.


(5) Have people actually seen strange aliens? The simple answer is “Yes.”

Not all the people who have claimed to have seen strange one eyed aliens with big heads and etc are lying. But what they see are not physical, neither are they creatures from other planets, nor are they real creatures as such. Just as I explained above, our thoughts take on forms in the planes of fine gross matter.  After watching so many science fiction films and hearing so many scary stories about ets, some people can get the thought out of their minds. Sometimes this fear is so real that it heartfelt, it involves the spiritual intuition and hence a terribly powerful ET is created in the beyond. Connected to its creators, it torments them. The same way idol used to tenement ancient idol worshipers. The clairvoyant ones can see these creatures and misconstrue them as being physical. Then he will talk about and when subjected to the lie detector test, to people’s surprise, he passes. Proving that he wasn’t lying!

Either way you look at it, such aliens like ET, one eyed and big headed Martians, are nothing but products or humans unhealthy imagination. They were all created by humans, but this does not mean that they are not real or that they are harmless. Everything is real; everything that you can think of is real. They could be very harmful to people who live under their fear.

Humans in other parts of the seven parts of the physical realm do not look like ETs. They have human forms; this form is uniform in all creation, from the spiritual to the coarsest matter. There are no creatures of God that have two heads, one eye, or look like ETs. Such forms do not accord with the will of God.

Thanks.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Uyi Iredia(m): 10:17pm On Feb 28, 2012
@ Deep Sight & Martian

First off: I don't believe in aliens or the possibility of aliens. To me, they are kids fairytales. I recall times as a young child when my Dad told me of UFO's and series like Alan Strange & The X Files made the concept more real to me. I'm past that. However, I think it's worthy to regard the depictions as reminiscent of the the active imaginations of men who foresaw the technologies that are presently ubiquitous. I'm very sure these civilizations helped lay the foundation that has taken modern humanity to its present state & this is why I hate it when some atheists imply that past civilizations had little scientific knowledge. I so doubt this. As a matter of fact I think such people would have been active thinkers because they didn't live in a society like ours which gives lots of room to complacency.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Observer1: 11:42pm On Feb 28, 2012
My question to all u that blive that aliens exist,are aliens racist?how come they only appear in the western societies and only abduct only white folks.
I have heard and read about some pple claiming they were abducted by an alien.I dont agree or disagree in the existence of alien but why do they ignore
africans and other third world countries.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by aletheia(m): 11:50pm On Feb 28, 2012
Did "Aliens" walk the earth in the past. I believe yes. . .by alien I understand them to not have been earth-born but fallen angels. Thus there remains in the memes of older pre-modern civilizations stories of departing otherworldly beings e.g. Quetzacoatl of the Aztecs and so on.

justcool:

But it is impossible for any life form to go from one of the seven parts of the physical ream to another. The distance is unimaginable to the human mind. Hence no living thing or creature has ever been able to make it from one of the other six parts of the physical realm to the earth.
^
Err. . .just one question: if it is impossible to traverse from one part to the other and there is no interaction as you say, how did you know that the other six parts exist?
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by aletheia(m): 12:14am On Feb 29, 2012
Concerning the Great Pyramid

Let us turn our attention briefly to the matter of the purpose or multiple purposes of the Great Pyramid, drawing for our discussion on both the exact measurements made by modern scientists and the mythic legends of the remote past. A few facts:

The sides of the pyramid are lined up almost exactly with the cardinal points of the compass. The accuracy of this alignment is extraordinary, with an average discrepancy of only about three minutes of arc in any direction or a variation of less than 0.06 percent.

The Great Pyramid functioned as an enormous sundial. Its shadow to the north, and its reflected sunlight to the south, accurately marked the annual dates of both the solstices and the equinoxes. The basic dimensions of the Great Pyramid incorporate measurements from which the earth's size and shape can be calculated.

The pyramid is a scale model of the hemisphere, incorporating the geographical degrees of latitude and longitude. The latitude and longitude lines that intersect at the Great Pyramid (30 degrees north and 31 degrees east) cross more of the earth's land surface than any other lines, thus the pyramid is located at the center of the land mass of the earth (the pyramid is built on the closest suitable site to this intersection).

The original perimeter of the pyramid equals exactly one-half minute of latitude at the equator, indicating that its builders measured the earth with extreme precision and recorded this information in the dimensions of the structure. Altogether these measurements show that the builders knew the exact dimensions of the planet as precisely as they have been recently determined by satellite surveys.

The foundation of the Great Pyramid is amazingly level., No corner of its base is more than one-half inch higher or lower than the others. Considering that the pyramid's base covers more than thirteen acres, this near-perfect leveling far exceeds even the finest architectural standards of the present day.

Measurements throughout the pyramid show that its constructors knew of the proportions of pi (3.14, ), phi or the Golden Mean (1.618), and the "Pythagorean" triangles thousands of years before Pythagoras, the so-called father of geometry, lived.

Measurements show that the builders knew the precise spherical shape and size of the earth and had accurately charted such complex astronomical events as the precession of the equinoxes and the lunar standstill dates. The minute discrepancies of the lengths of the base of the pyramid (several inches over the 230 meter length of its base) reveal not an error on the part of the builders but an ingenious means of incorporating into the pyramid the "discrepancies" of the earth itself, in this case the flattening of the earth's globe at the poles.

Shafts leading upward from the two main chambers, previously thought to be air shafts for ventilation, have been shown to have another purpose. A miniature electronic robot mechanically crawled sixty-five meters up the shafts and confirmed that the south and north shafts in the Kings Chamber are pointed to Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) and Alpha Draconis respectively, while the south and north shafts of the Queens Chamber point to Sirius and Orion.

The scientists conducting this research have shown that the layout of the three pyramids on the Giza plateau precisely mirror the position of the three main stars in the Orion constellation. (While crawling along one of the shafts in the Queens chamber, the robot's cameras photographed a previously unknown closed door that may lead to some hidden chamber.)

Readers interested in these new findings should consult The Orion Mystery by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert.

What does all this mean? Why did the ancient builders of the Giza pyramids, whoever they may have been, encode so much precise mathematical, geographic, and astronomical information into their structures? What was the purpose of the Great Pyramid?

While no authoritative answer can presently be given to this question, two intriguing matters suggest a direction for further inquiry and research. The first has to do with the persistent legends that the Great Pyramid, and especially the main chamber, were used as some sort of sacred initiation center.

According to one legend, students who had first undergone long years of preparation, meditation and metaphysical instruction in an esoteric school (the mythic "Hall of Records" hidden deep beneath the desert sands somewhere near the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx) were placed in the granite coffer of the main chamber and left alone throughout an entire night.

The coffer was the focal point of the energies gathered, concentrated, aimed, and directed at the main chamber by virtue of the precise mathematical location, alignment, and construction of the pyramid.

These energies, considered to be especially potent at certain precisely calculated periods when the earth was in a particular geometric alignment with solar, lunar, and stellar objects, were conducive to the awakening, stimulation, and acceleration of spiritual consciousness in the suitably prepared adept.

While it is now nearly impossible to spend an evening alone in the coffer of the main chamber, it is interesting to read the reports of those persons who have done so in the past. Mention will be made of experiences both terribly frightening (perhaps because of the lack of any appropriate training on the part of the experimenter) and also deeply peaceful, even spiritually illuminating.

Napoleon himself spent a night alone in the chamber. Emerging pale and dazed, he would not speak of his powerful experiences, only saying, "You would not believe me if I told you."

A second matter needing further inquiry from the scientific community studying the Great Pyramid - and one that might help explain the subject just discussed - concerns the matter of unexplained energetic anomalies frequently noticed and recorded in the main chamber.

In the 1920s, a Frenchman named Antoine Bovis made the surprising discovery that, despite the heat and high humidity of the main chamber, the dead bodies of animals left in the chamber did not decay but completely dehydrated.

Thinking that there might be some relationship between this phenomena and the position of the main chamber in the pyramid, Bovis constructed a small-scale model of the pyramid, oriented it to the same direction as the Great Pyramid, and placed the body of a dead cat at the approximate level of the main chamber.

The result was the same. As he had observed in the Great Pyramid, the cat's body did not decay.

In the 1960s, researchers in Czechoslovakia and the U.S., conducting limited studies of the geometry of the pyramid, repeated this experiment with the same results. They also found that the form of the pyramid somehow mysteriously kept foods preserved without spoiling, sharpened dull razor blades, induced plants to germinate and grow more quickly, and hastened the healing of animals' wounds.

Other scientists, in consideration of the high quartz content of the granite blocks in the main chamber and the incredible pressures those blocks are subjected to, theorized that the main chamber may have been the focal point of a powerful piezoelectric field; magnetometer measurements inside the chamber indeed showed higher levels than the normal background geomagnetic field.

Although much research remains to be done in these areas, legend, archaeology, mathematics, and earth sciences seem to indicate that the Great Pyramid was a monumental device for gathering, amplifying, and focusing a mysterious energy field for the spiritual benefit of human beings.

We do not know exactly how the pyramid and its main chamber were used, and the geometric structure of the pyramid has been subtley altered by the removal of the casing stones and the cap-stone. None-the-less, the Great Pyramid of the Giza plateau still emanates great power as a transformational power place. It has done so for uncounted thousands of years and seems destined to continue for ages to come.

Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by plaetton: 12:57am On Feb 29, 2012
It is very interesting that almost everyone believes In angels(who , by the way, are not from this world), and God or gods, who live somewhere in the heavens(the sky), yet most people scuff at the possiblity of non-human life existing and perhaps periodically visiting our planet.  
I guess we all pick and choose what we want to beleive irrespective of whatever evidence that might or might not exist to validate our beliefes.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by justcool(m): 1:32am On Feb 29, 2012
aletheia:

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Err. . .just one question: if it is impossible to traverse from one part to the other and there is no interaction as you say, how did you know that the other six parts exist?

My knowledge about the other parts of the physical realm came from above the physical realm and not from those other parts. To survey something you have to stand above it; you can't survey a thing thoroughly when you are trapped within that thing. Hence in some issues we employ our non-physical organs of perception. There is a thing called intuitive perception or spiritual perception.

But by the way let me throw back your question to you. How did you know that Pluto exists when you haven't been there and there is no interaction between Pluto and earth in terms of visitations? Or would you ague that plutonians have visited the Earth?
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 1:57am On Feb 29, 2012
Okay!
I wash my hands of this thread like Pontius Pilate.Bye Deepsight, these folks are now talking about seeing the universe from other realms.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 8:24am On Feb 29, 2012
Martian:

http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html

If the ancient Egyptians had vehicles such as helicopters, submarines, and jet airplanes, one would expect to find some evidence of this other than in a single inscription on the lintel of a single temple. This type of large machinery requires a vast amount of support (including fuel, parts, factories, etc.) but there is no trace of any such support in all of Egypt. The Egyptian literature is also bereft of any boast, much less passing mention, of advanced aircraft. Obviously this situation doesn't seem peculiar to those who really want to believe that the ancient Egyptians flew around in airplanes.

Nobody said they belonged to the Egyptians. The suggestion is that they saw such things and reflected them in some artworks.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 8:34am On Feb 29, 2012
Martian:


Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

http://members.tripod.com/a_u_r_a/abydos.html

The hieroglyph depicts very clear images save for those determined to ignore them by all means.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 8:43am On Feb 29, 2012
vescucci:

The closest star to us is Andromeda if I am not mistaken. I don't exactly remember how far away it is. But I know it is ridiculously far away. And it'd take forever and ever for an alien living in probably one of the planets in Andromeda's gravitational field to get here.

Andromeda is not a star. It is a galaxy.

Within our galaxy alone, there are hundreds of billions of stars.

Our sun is just one star. What makes you think that there are no life bearing planets amongst all the other 200 - 400 billion stars in this galaxy of ours.

Actually, research has already started to identify planets with life bearing potential.

Kepler spacecraft of NASA which searches for new planets has found an alien world in a habitable zone of star which can allow for life and water

The Kepler also discovered 1000 new planets, bringing the count of discovered planets outside our solar system to 2326 found using this spacecraft. This number has been achieved in 16 months of operation by this spacecraft.

The newly discovered planet has a star which it orbits around like our earth orbits around sun. It is 600 light years away from earth and located in region called Kepler 22-b. It has a radius 2.4 times bigger than that of earth. The temperature on this planet is pretty much same as that on earth, making it a place able to support life.


http://www.scientiaweb.com/2011/12/06/nasa-finds-a-new-planet-capable-of-supporting-life/

But I really have to ask, do some of you believe in these aliens or you're simply ready to entertain the thought of them?

I think I would be a most limited mind, to close myself to the possibility.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Deep Sight(m): 8:49am On Feb 29, 2012
Martian:

Okay!
I wash my hands of this thread like Pontius Pilate.Bye Deepsight, these folks are now talking about seeing the universe from other realms.

You should not be so intolerant as to abandon a thread simply because you hear a viewpoint that is alien to yours.
Re: Martian/ Plaetton - Let's Discuss Ancient Aliens by Martian(m): 10:24am On Feb 29, 2012
Deep Sight:

The hieroglyph depicts very clear images save for those determined to ignore them by all means.

I didn't know you know how to read hieroglyphs.

Martian:

http://www.catchpenny.org/abydos.html
If the ancient Egyptians had vehicles such as helicopters, submarines, and jet airplanes, one would expect to find some evidence of this other than in a single inscription on the lintel of a single temple. This type of large machinery requires a vast amount of support (including fuel, parts, factories, etc.) but there is no trace of any such support in all of Egypt. The Egyptian literature is also bereft of any boast, much less passing mention, of advanced aircraft. Obviously this situation doesn't seem peculiar to those who really want to believe that the ancient Egyptians flew around in airplanes.
Deep Sight:

You should not be so intolerant as to abandon a thread simply because you hear a viewpoint that is alien to yours.

Well,if someone says his peace and the so called viewpoints sound like Harry potter/ twilight magic of flying and going to other realms, I'll rather excuse myself. If you think it's intolerant, that's just your viewpoint.

Besides, why am I discussing pseudoscience? What's next, Scientologists and body Thetans?
If you believe all these alien shows and websites off I'll repute, then you SHOULD believe scientology. They even developed a religion based on their own Ancient Alien.

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