debosky:

So now you've started backtracking on your claims? Who said this?

Pray tell, would funds not be required to make this the 'core' issue of development?

Also who said this?

Who are you 'demanding' airports from? Private investors or government?

One more exhibition of your hypocrisy:

Who built these airports in the desert you are referring to? Was it not government? By linking your SE airports to them, are you not implying that government funds should be used to build them?

Private funds indeed.

Onlytruth:

lol, I was starting to wonder whether I am the only one who thinks that guy is as dense as a wet firewood. The annoying thing is that he resorts to provocations and insults when he runs out of logic, or is it illogic. He is also a desperate attention seeker. The other day, another guy here got fed up and simply cursed him out of a thread.
What an oaf. The only way to educate that type of a guy is to cut open his head and stuff things in.

BlackPikiN: You sound as dumb as f0rk!

GAR3TH:




This might be the first and only troll statement I will reply. anyway isn't what i said right. the OP claimed there is a large market for international flights in the south east and thats why they need 3 international airports. He said that "20-40% of lagos traffic originates in the south east". if that statement is true and the south east really does have large international demand like the OP says then why does Port harcourt International only have 13,000 international passengers per year? The OP is saying that south easterners are so rich that the will rather pay extra to go all the way to lagos instead of going to port harcourt, which is 5 minute drive from the south east. Does that make sense, NO!!! Thats like saying a person drives all the way from manchester just to fly from london heathrow or someone drive all the way from florida to fly from NY JFK. No body does that, if there is HIGH demand people will go to the closest international airport for flights, NOT travel half way across the country.

GAR3TH:

When did I resulted to insults in any of our debates? its only you and your crew that keeps insulting me when you fail to have a reasonable reply. look at my post history, can you find were i ever insulted you?

Second who cursed me out of a thread? I don't reply and I dont feed trolls, if someone insults me I ignore them, simple. Second I stopped posting on that thread because you did not reply my post (because you did not have an academic defense to your ideological position).

Anyway, I want to see how you will reply to what I said about the port in my previous post.



This might be the first and only troll statement I will reply. anyway isn't what i said right. the OP claimed there is a large market for international flights in the south east and thats why they need 3 international airports. He said that "20-40% of lagos traffic originates in the south east". if that statement is true and the south east really does have large international demand like the OP says then why does Port harcourt International only have 13,000 international passengers per year? The OP is saying that south easterners are so rich that the will rather pay extra to go all the way to lagos instead of going to port harcourt, which is 5 minute drive from the south east. Does that make sense, NO!!! Thats like saying a person drives all the way from manchester just to fly from london heathrow or someone drive all the way from florida to fly from NY JFK. No body does that, if there is HIGH demand people will go to the closest international airport for flights, NOT travel half way across the country.

GAR3TH:

When did I resulted to insults in any of our debates? its only you and your crew that keeps insulting me when you fail to have a reasonable reply. look at my post history, can you find were i ever insulted you?

Second who cursed me out of a thread? I don't reply and I dont feed trolls, if someone insults me I ignore them, simple. Second I stopped posting on that thread because you did not reply my post (because you did not have an academic defense to your ideological position).

Anyway, I want to see how you will reply to what I said about the port in my previous post.



This might be the first and only troll statement I will reply. anyway isn't what i said right. the OP claimed there is a large market for international flights in the south east and thats why they need 3 international airports. He said that "20-40% of lagos traffic originates in the south east". if that statement is true and the south east really does have large international demand like the OP says then why does Port harcourt International only have 13,000 international passengers per year? The OP is saying that south easterners are so rich that the will rather pay extra to go all the way to lagos instead of going to port harcourt, which is 5 minute drive from the south east. Does that make sense, NO!!! Thats like saying a person drives all the way from manchester just to fly from london heathrow or someone drive all the way from florida to fly from NY JFK. No body does that, if there is HIGH demand people will go to the closest international airport for flights, NOT travel half way across the country.

Aigbofa:


You are talking logic with people who deal in raw emotions. Even if they manage to build the three airports and the only passengers they get are migrating birds from the Kalahari, they will still find something or someone to blame for it.

Aigbofa:


You are talking logic with people who deal in raw emotions. Even if they manage to build the three airports and the only passengers they get are migrating birds from the Kalahari, they will still find something or someone to blame for it.

jason123: Gareth is on point. If the nearest airport to the SE, PH airport, is not fully utilised; how would THREE airports in the SE be? Really, we should start thinking! Its just so unfortunate that people already hold contempt in their hearts so any comment from a non-SEasterner is seen as an "enemy's comment".

Dede1:


What nonsensical logic are you writing about? Jerry Rawlings of Ghana could not even fly into Enugu or Port Harcourt without touching down in Lagos.

GAR3TH:

When did I resulted to insults in any of our debates? its only you and your crew that keeps insulting me when you fail to have a reasonable reply. look at my post history, can you find were i ever insulted you?

Second who cursed me out of a thread? I don't reply and I dont feed trolls, if someone insults me I ignore them, simple. Second I stopped posting on that thread because you did not reply my post (because you did not have an academic defense to your ideological position).

Anyway, I want to see how you will reply to what I said about the port in my previous post.



This might be the first and only troll statement I will reply. anyway isn't what i said right. the OP claimed there is a large market for international flights in the south east and thats why they need 3 international airports. He said that "20-40% of lagos traffic originates in the south east". if that statement is true and the south east really does have large international demand like the OP says then why does Port harcourt International only have 13,000 international passengers per year? The OP is saying that south easterners are so rich that the will rather pay extra to go all the way to lagos instead of going to port harcourt, which is 5 minute drive from the south east. Does that make sense, NO!!! Thats like saying a person drives all the way from manchester just to fly from london heathrow or someone drive all the way from florida to fly from NY JFK. No body does that, if there is HIGH demand people will go to the closest international airport for flights, NOT travel half way across the country.

Aigbofa:

What is good for the SE is also good for Nigeria, and am saying this without any mischief; A fast and efficient rail service (for goods and passengers) to connect the SE with other major economic hubs in Nigeria. That is all you need for now, in my opinion.

manny4life:

It's unfortunate how we come to conclusions without asking necessary questions... Like seriously, let me ask you GAR3TH claimed that PH had 13,000 Pax annually, here are my questions to all these arm and chair critics?

A. Since we know the annual pax of PH to be 13,000, what are the economic, political and financial factors mitigating against PH airport?

B. If any, do these factors "severely" have an impact on potential airlines from flying into the airports which has a direct impact on the Pax capacity?

C. If any, what are potential solutions to put a resolve on how to improve performance of PH airports.

jason123:


Manny4life, most Igbo traders [b]NEED/b] Lagos because it offers them 18 million customers. Onitsha and co do not offer them such a large market. As the saying goes, "if everyone is a trader who will buy"?

Yes, they have an impact because a trader needs his/her goods close to where its sold. The closer it is to the customers, the cheaper the overall cost and the better.

Patronage-but you have to ask yourself, who will patronise it if majority his target customers are not there?
Manny, Lagos is mini-Nigeria. There is no better way to get your goods across to Nigeria without Lagos. Why is Lagos like this you ask? It is because of her multiethnic population and density. These factors we cannot control.

If new airports are built, three for that matter, it will be a white elephant project. Mark my words. No animosity but ONE still makes sense instead of THREE. Onlytruth is simply using emotions to judge his decisions.

jason123:


Manny4life, most Igbo traders [b]NEED/b] Lagos because it offers them 18 million customers. Onitsha and co do not offer them such a large market. As the saying goes, "if everyone is a trader who will buy"?

Yes, they have an impact because a trader needs his/her goods close to where its sold. The closer it is to the customers, the cheaper the overall cost and the better.

Patronage-but you have to ask yourself, who will patronise it if majority his target customers are not there?
Manny, Lagos is mini-Nigeria. There is no better way to get your goods across to Nigeria without Lagos. Why is Lagos like this you ask? It is because of her multiethnic population and density. These factors we cannot control.

If new airports are built, three for that matter, it will be a white elephant project. Mark my words. No animosity but ONE still makes sense instead of THREE. Onlytruth is simply using emotions to judge his decisions.

manny4life:


Seriously? Are we really talking about this? Onitsha, like they often said, the largest West African market you're saying doesn't have the potential, seriously? I think you're confusing the idea of potential vs reality. Lagos has a potential of 18million customers, Onitsha has potential of same amount of folks in the eastern region as well those who come into Onitsha to trade (buy and sell). Onitsha should be a focal point of the SE region in terms of a retail and economic hub, meaning that it needs aggressive infrastructure and development for it to be like Lagos. Hundreds of thousands of people go in and out of that city daily to trade, so you think that it's hasn't reach a potential for expansion?


No ones is arguing about whether goods or services closer, the better and cheaper it is. We understand that, my point hasn't been about the market structure of the east but the infrastructural development (airport included) of the SE. Once before, I had this argument with ekt_bear, I said, before embarking on infrastructural development, there has to be a benefit potential. The SE has achieved the benefit potential even with less population, infrastructures just boost the economics more further.


Look, Lagos is mini-Nigeria because our government has been inefficient in the structural development, period. SE has more buying power per capita or even more than most other regions, so why would you think that economic infrastructures are sorta a taboo in the making? Lagos is a big city and is expected as much, however, give the SE what Lagos has, and you'll see competition set in, it's common economics because the SE has already reached it's potential with less resources.


I for one , do not like the idea of three international airports, I would rather have one international network with a HSR network linking at least 3cities in each SE states.

ACM10:

Yorubas wants Igbos to leave Lagos. At the same time opposing the effort of Igbos to develop the infrastracture in the east to enable them vacate from Lagos.

I have some question for you.

1. Do you think that the "Onitsha is the largest market in West Africa" in name only?

2. Can you back your "18 million customers" claim with proof?

3. Why not give businessmen a choice? Why force them to pass through Lagos?

4. "who will patronise it if majority his target customers are not there?
" Why not agree to put your assumption to test?

ACM10:

Yorubas wants Igbos to leave Lagos. At the same time opposing the effort of Igbos to develop the infrastracture in the east to enable them vacate from Lagos.

I have some question for you.

1. Do you think that the "Onitsha is the largest market in West Africa" in name only?

2. Can you back your "18 million customers" claim with proof?

3. Why not give businessmen a choice? Why force them to pass through Lagos?

4. "who will patronise it if majority his target customers are not there?
" Why not agree to put your assumption to test?

Aigbofa:

When economists talk of "largest markets" they are not talking about the largest open space market where you can go and buy your apu.

chino11:


What do you understand by market mr economist?

If a manufacturing company knows that such places as Onitsha is where the entire Nigeria visits just to transact their business, why won't manufacturer or an investor hit such cities. Just like SABMILLER of South Africa has seen such potential and has since moved into Onitsha where they are setting up the single largest brewery plant in West Africa.

Aigbofa:

When economists talk of "largest markets" they are not talking about the largest open space market where you can go and buy your apu.

Aigbofa:

What you wrote has nothing to do with the definition of a market. What you have in onitsha is the largest marketplace in West Africa not the largest market, two different things.

Aigbofa:

When economists talk of "largest markets" they are not talking about the largest open space market where you can go and buy your apu.

manny4life:


Isn't it mischievous of you to assert such erroneous claims; unfortunately, economist are able to assert what types of markets and what category it fell into. FYI, these are the types of markets and I'm sure, they hadn't made any mistakes when they asserted Onitsha about being the largest market...

Financial Markets (Stock, FOREX, Currency, Capital markets etc)

Commodity Markets (Oil, and Gas, Agricultural, etc)

Physical Markets (Retail markets etc)

Non-Physical Markets (Internet Commerce, etc)

Labor Markets, etc

I can continue to go on but unfortunately for you, you quickly assert without differentiation... However, Onitsha will fall into the category of both Physical and labor market- direct or in-direct (hundreds of thousands go there to buy and sell whether it's apu or electronics, sale is sale, period.

manny4life:
Seriously? Are we really talking about this? Onitsha, like they often said, the largest West African market you'rs saying doesn't have the potential, seriously? I think you're confusing the idea of potential vs reality. Lagos has a potential of 18million customers, Onitsha has a potential of same amount of folks in the eastern region as well who come into Onitsha to trade (buy and sell).

No ones is arguing about whether goods or services closer, the better and cheaper it is. We understand that, my point hasn't been about the market structure of the east but the infrastructure (airport) of the SE. Once before, I had this argument with ekt_bear, I said, before embarking on infrastructural development, there has to be a benefit potential. The SE has achieved the benefit potential even with less population, infrastructures just boost the economics more further.

Look, Lagos is mini-Nigeria because our government has been inefficient in the structural development, period. SE has more buying power per capita or even more than most other regions, so why would you think that economic infrastructures are sorta a taboo in the making? Lagos is a big city and is expected as much, however, give the SE what Lagos has, and you'll see competition set in, it's common economics because the SE has already reached it's potential with less resources.

I for one , do not like the idea of three international airports, I would rather have one international network with a HSR network linking at least 3cities in each SE states.

Aigbofa:

What you wrote has nothing to do with the definition of a market. What you have in onitsha is the largest marketplace in West Africa not the largest market, two different things.

manny4life:


Isn't it mischievous of you to assert such erroneous claims; unfortunately, economist are able to assert what types of markets and what category it fell into. FYI, these are the types of markets and I'm sure, they hadn't made any mistakes when they asserted Onitsha about being the largest market...

Financial Markets (Stock, FOREX, Currency, Capital markets etc)

Commodity Markets (Oil, and Gas, Agricultural, etc)

Physical Markets (Retail markets etc)

Non-Physical Markets (Internet Commerce, etc)

Labor Markets, etc

I can continue to go on but unfortunately for you, you quickly assert without differentiation... However, Onitsha will fall into the category of both Physical and labor market- direct or in-direct (hundreds of thousands go there to buy and sell whether it's apu or electronics, sale is sale, period.

ACM10:

Yorubas wants Igbos to leave Lagos. At the same time opposing the effort of Igbos to develop the infrastracture in the east to enable them vacate from Lagos.

I have some question for you.

1. Do you think that the "Onitsha is the largest market in West Africa" in name only?

2. Can you back your "18 million customers" claim with proof?

3. Why not give businessmen a choice? Why force them to pass through Lagos?

4. "who will patronise it if majority his target customers are not there?
" Why not agree to put your assumption to test?

Airports

Airport names shown in bold have scheduled passenger service on commercial airlines.
City served 	State 	ICAO 	IATA 	Airport name
International airports [1]
Abuja 	FCT 	DNAA 	ABV 	Nnamdi Azikiwe International Airport [1]
Kano 	Kano 	DNKN 	KAN 	Mallam Aminu Kano International Airport [2]
Lagos / Ikeja 	Lagos 	DNMM 	LOS 	Murtala Muhammed International Airport [3]
Port Harcourt 	Rivers 	DNPO 	PHC 	Port Harcourt International Airport [4]
Major domestic airports [2]
Calabar 	Cross River 	DNCA 	CBQ 	Margaret Ekpo International Airport (Calabar Airport) [5]
Enugu 	Enugu 	DNEN 	ENU 	Akanu Ibiam International Airport (Enugu Airport) [6]
Jos 	Plateau 	DNJO 	JOS 	Yakubu Gowon Airport (Jos Airport) [7]
Kaduna 	Kaduna 	DNKA 	KAD 	Kaduna Airport [8]
Maiduguri 	Borno 	DNMA 	MIU 	Maiduguri International Airport (Maiduguri Airport) [9]
Sokoto 	Sokoto 	DNSO 	SKO 	Sadiq Abubakar III International Airport (Sultan Saddik Abubakar Airport) [10]
Yola 	Adamawa 	DNYO 	YOL 	Yola Airport [11]
Other domestic airports [3]
Asaba 	Delta 	DNAS 	ABB 	Asaba International Airport [12]
Akure 	Ondo 	DNAK 	AKR 	Akure Airport [13]
Bauchi 	Bauchi 	DNBA 	BCU 	Bauchi Airport [14]
Benin 	Edo 	DNBE 	BNI 	Benin Airport [15]
Gombe 	Gombe 	DNGO 		Gombe Lawanti International Airport
Ibadan 	Oyo 	DNIB 	IBA 	Ibadan Airport [16]
Ilorin 	Kwara 	DNIL 	ILR 	Ilorin Airport [17]
Katsina 	Katsina 	DNKT 	KTN 	Katsina Airport [18]
Makurdi 	Benue 	DNMK 	MDI 	Makurdi Airport [19]
Minna 	Niger 	DNMN 	MXJ 	Minna Airport [20]
Owerri 	Imo 	DNIM 	QOW 	Sam Mbakwe Airport [21]
Warri 	Delta 	DNSU 	QRW 	Warri Airport [22]
Zaria 	Kaduna 	DNZA 	ZAR 	Zaria Airport [23]

afam4eva: Yes, lagos has more population than onitsha but you have to note that the people in onitsha are not retailers but wholesalers because people come from all over west africa to buy stuffs in bulk and take to sell in their country. So, technically onitsha has a big market.