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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:12am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem:All this junks you read all the time has led you astray. Seeing is believing. The immediate past president of the Igbo Youths U.K-Mazi Sopuruchukwu Okere is an Ndokiman from Rivers state. He is not Ijaw but 1005 Igbo. Seeing is believing, forget those junk books Ijaws write. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:12am On Apr 18, 2012 |
[size=18pt]We are not Igbos the bitter truth[/size] I condemn in totality, the attempt of many people outside the Anioma region trying to re-write the history of the ethnic group as no group from the outside can re-write our history. The Aniocha, Ika, Oshimili, Ndokwa, Ukwani are one indivisible people with one destiny called Anioma, and located within the south-Southern region of Delta State Nigeria. There is nothing controversial about the history of Anioma people as the Igbo make us believe. No single ethnic nation can lay claim to the ownership of the region because the people are entirely distinct and distinctive like other ethnic groups in the country. Even the vast humans and personalities produced over the thing by the Anioma ethnic group cannot be overwhelmed by any single or group of ethnic groups because we deserve to be known as we desire. Other ethnic groups apart from the Igbo have since recognized the Anioma as being distinct from what anyone can call “sub” A long time ago our fathers, the founder of Anioma realized the difficulty of going with any one group in the country because it would amount to marginalization and thought up the political idea of “Anioma” Anioma no matter what you think refers political and cultural quadrants of Aniocha, Ndokwa, Ika and Oshimili. A people are defined and made to be what they say are, in the light of this no group, large or small possess any moral right to re-define the social and political destiny of people. We, the people of Anioma are defined by our culture, tradition, history and geography and we cannot be geographically re-situated because we were in the first place made to naturally so by the almighty God. We do know that Anioma people have the feature of diverse origins but we have become united by culture and history and nothing, I repeat nothing can change this development. The culture we have developed have now become distinct from those of others, and nothing can explain this in the contrary. No individual or group of people can write our history better than us because we understand ourselves better than them from the outside do. We inhabit the West and they inhabit the East, we are situated in the South-south geo-political zone today as defined by the Federal Government of Nigeria, while they inhabit the South-East geo-political zone. We have since sacrificed a lot to them, while we have benefited nothing from them. We are in the eyes “fake Igbo” while they are their eyes “core Igbo,” they call themselves “Igbo” and call us “Delta Igbo” In 1967, they did not consider at all that we were Igbo when Republic of Biafra was declared, Bifra started from Onitsha and ended just before Cameroon but when more men were needed to fight, we hurriedly became Biafrans. When the issue of State creation in Nigeria re-surfaced we once again became South-southerners which we truly are. This is enough to let us stay on our own, every Anioma person(s) who continue to attend Ohaneze Ndiigbo and try to force it on us should first of all open the agenda of Ohaneze and tell us their plans for us. They use linguistics to want to force us to agree that we are what they have devised as “Igboid” but we know that though Igbo language is intelligible to all in Anioma, more than half of the people of this ethnicity speak languages that are related to Edo, Igala, Idoma, old Yoruba etc which if expressed an Igboman from South-east will not understand. It is very vexation to remember that the people of South-east went to war with Nigeria in 1967 because they felt they were not Nigerian but Biafrans and today they try forcefully identifying us as Igbo only orally and on papers, and then denying us of this when it matters. Linguistics alone cannot justify the ethnicity of any group. Similarity in names too cannot justify homogeneity in ethnicity. If you have ever heard of Ezechime, then realize that this Diokpa from Benin Kingdom now in Edo State is progenitor of many Anioma communities too numerous to mention here such as Onitsha in Present Anambra State, Onicha-Ugbo, Onicha-Olona, Issele-Uku, Issele-Mkpitime, Obamkpa, etc but the problem the people of Anioma have at the moment is that the ethnicity did not fit into the early ethnography’s invention of ethnic identities in Nigeria. There are some towns and communities in Anioma whose history laid claim to originating from Igboland notably Ibusa and Asaba but not all Anioma people are Igbo. The Agbor (Ika) are far from being Igbo as their progenitor arrived from Edo may centuries ago to found the communities. If the Igbo cannot help us realize our long sought dream of Anioma State, they should leave us alone and not bother us with whether we are Igbo or not, this is no longer important in our history since we have since revolved our own distinct kind of history, linguistic and culture, capable of advancing us. “Anioma people are now a special breed, endowed with intellectual gift… today, Anioma people are using that gift of intellect to make contributions to democracy and national unity in Nigeria and around the world. This commendation is a testimony of many of the contributions Anioma women, have made over the years in Nigeria and elsewhere (Challenges to Democracy and National Unity in Nigeria: The Case Study of Anioma People, Sadiq A. Abdullahi) We have been marginalized by the Federal Government and Igbo ethnic group who have constantly denied us of the creation of Anioma State, and our own neighbouring ethnic groups but we know that the visions of our leaders shall never be undermined. We have no inheritance in whatever ethnic group near or close that want us only in terms of population to politically score a point and seek to outsmart other ethnic groups in the country. And all of you who are seeking to reverse or turn back the hand of our history by writing our history in Wikipedia.org and else where we admonish you to keep away from seeking to attempt to turn back the hand of clock. Our own is our own, and your own is your own. Leave us alone and let us grow. http://www.contour2002.org/article/between-ndiigbo-and-anioma-the-bitter-truth |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Afam4eva(m): 12:13am On Apr 18, 2012 |
shymmex: You should have picked Ndoki. Al_harem has already chosen Agbor. Your lies can't look identical now. Spice it up a lil bit. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:13am On Apr 18, 2012 |
shymmex: LOOL are you minding them. Even Onitsha people are not Igbo |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:14am On Apr 18, 2012 |
shymmex:Wessley80 is from Abor, and he does not deny his Igboness. He posts here regularly in nairaland. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:15am On Apr 18, 2012 |
the first was Anioma Now Ikwerri Ikwerre-Igbo Relationship As Seen By Ohanaeze Indigbo Stop claiming us Author: Okachikwu Dibia, Abuja. In the interview with President, Ohanaeze Ndigbo, Ralph Uwechue, published in the Daily Sun March 10, the President was asked what efforts he was making to unite Igbo in Rivers and Delta states, he said: “First of all, it should be understood that these factions who now deny the fact they are Igbo did so only after the civil war; take for instance the Ikwerre people… fully identified with us during the pre-civil war era but because the Igbo lost the civil war, a kind of stigma was smeared on them making a lot of people to start adjusting their names to sound less Igbo…”. This statement is misleading and not correct. First of all, Ikwerre is not Igbo. We have made this clear even before the civil war and that was why some Igbo accused Ikwerre of sabotage during the war. Second, in all efforts by the minorities in the former Eastern region to agitate for their own political, social and economic recognition and liberty in the Eastern region and Nigeria at large, Ikwerre participated fully: hence, the late Chief E. J. A. Oriji and others represented Ikwerre before and during most of the conferences set up to address the fears of the minority ethnic groups in Nigeria. Third, in May 1963, Ikwerre people formed the Ogbakor Ikwerre Convention to state that Ikwerre is a distinct ethnic group from any others in Nigeria. Fourth, in the 1964/65 elections into the Federal House of Representatives, National Council of Nigeria and the Camerouns (NCNC) nominated an Igbo man named Mr. Eluguronu to represent Ikwerre in the House. Ikwerre rejected it and fielded young Nwobidike Nwanodi as an independent candidate and he won. Fifth, Ikwerre’s participation in all the movements for the creation of COR and later Rivers States clearly shows Ikwerre’s rejection of been Igbo. Let the point be made that right from about the 16th century, the Igbo has been in touch with Ikwerre (through slave trade, Arochuku activities, goods trading, hiring of labour for farm work, marriages and politics) and had always wanted to dominate, colonise and take over Ikwerre at all cost and by all means possible. This is natural especially where the dominated people are better endowed than the colonising power, coupled with the ever tendency of a bigger group to swallow a smaller one and whenever the latter refuses, the former resorts to cheap propaganda. That is exactly what Chief Uwechue and Ohanaeze Ndigbo are bent on doing to Ikwerre. In this unholy enterprise, they appear confused: for example, while some of them claim that Ikwerre sabotaged the Biafra project, Uwechue has said that Ikwerre did not. Truly, Ikwerre did not, just like every other minority ethnic group in the former Eastern region. How could we when the Igbo were in absolute control of the region? So, we fought for Biafra. When another colonising super power (Nigerian forces) arrived, Ikwerre had no option than to surrender and cooperate with them. Hence, Ikwerre actually fought the war on and for both sides. After the war, some of the ill activities of the Igbo in Ikwerre were corrected. In the case of names, the Igbo first changed the original Ikwerre names into Igbo names in an attempt to force Ikwerre to become Igbo. So at the end of the war, some Ikwerre decided to assert their original names; hence, Igirita was changed to Igwuruta, Isoba was changed to Choba, Amaweke was changed to Rumuokwuta, etc. Even individuals suffered the same humiliation when their names were forcefully changed from Ovunda to Obinna for example. Even the original name of the Ikwerre ethnic group, which is Iwheruoha was changed to Ikwerre by the Igbo. Some names have been retained (like my surname) to reflect part of the Ikwerre colonial journey, just like a Yoruba Nigerian bearing the name Matthew. Does this make the Yoruba man an English man? No! On a more serious note, if the Igbo insists that Ikwerre is Igbo, they should provide concrete sociological and historical evidences to prove their case beyond the whimsical factors of appearance, language and name, which no longer can correctly and truly define a people in today’s world. http://www.independentngonline.com/DailyIndependent/Article.aspx?id=10976 1 Like |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:17am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Ika is not Igbo stop claiming I wonder what these igbos wants go gain by trying to liken the ika people(agbor.Umunede,owa etc) to be igbos.Everywhere i go these igbos keep saying this nauseous trash.For the fact that our people allowed the igbos to migrate in mass to our land does not now mean that we are igbos.Pls the ikas can never be igbos.God forbid that we will join the igbos.Dodo umunem do nim kwe ni enyi ele ndigbo.Abi ndiigbome.Lol.My fellow ika brothers help me speak this out.We are bini not igbos.Tnks https://www.nairaland.com/392463/why-ika-nation-can-never |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:18am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem: [size=18pt]We are not Igbos the bitter truth[/size]Igbo people in Anioma, enjoy.
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:22am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh: LOL Just as Nupe is yoruba. Enjoy Anioma: Igbos Leave Us Alone! I want to preface this write-up by emphatically stating that we are “Anioma,” our region can and should only be correctly referred to as “Anioma” and not “Western Igbos,” “Ika Igbos” or even “Delta Igbo,” all of which presage nothing but “fake Igbos.” Care should also be taken not to refer to us as “Delta North” as we have never heard of “Ebonyi East,” “Lagos North” or “Sokoto South” these derogatory and discriminatory references are threateningly tending to overshadow and send our prestigious name, Anioma to its early grave, so the proper usage of this name is of uttermost concern to me. Contrary to prevailing circumstances and dilemma which relegate us to the background in Delta State and Igbo politics, such as poor representation in political affairs of the State, lack of amenities, ethnic identity crisis, deliberate marginalization, abandonment by our Igbo kiths and kin from the South East etc, we know we are still a great nation to reckon with. This write-up will therefore focus on the two factors which have been egregiously and heavily weighing down the Anioma ethnicity, and at best have prevented us from finding our bearing, how our Anioma region with innumerable associations, countless social groups, technocrats, political office holders, professionals of Anioma extraction, etc have contributed to the disgraceful predicament of the present state of the region. The first and major issue of dilemma confronting this region is the problem of ethnic identity, the present state of the region weakened by abandonment and lack of vision has again raised the question on whether Anioma people are Igbo or not. This question has generated a lot of debates in the past and present, and will continue to do so even as it hampers growth and development in this region and presents us with nothing but pauperization. I make bold to comment that the attitude of the Igbo of South East to their Anioma counterparts have not really justified that Anioma are Igbo except on papers, and that if ever the people South East deem this necessary, they have always relied and ended such only with historical support and not more, however actions have failed to justify this. Evidently the Igbo will always count on us to support the large population density of the entire Igbo nation by for instance stating that the Igbo are 40 million if a thorough and unbiased population census is organized in Nigeria but it does not go beyond this. An Igbo may also want to merely count on similar names existing between the Igbo and Anioma as a reason for justifying the Igboid relationship with both regions, but ask an Anioma just what he has gained from the South East; he looks at you endlessly and tells you “nothing.” We have been in this situation for long, so it is not in the least surprising. The Igbo are taught in school that the Igbo are only in South East, in this case what happen to others? It is for this reason that the phrase “core Igbo” exists in our dictionary today. I am still racking my brain to remember the last time any Governor from the South Eastern part of the nation officially visited the Anioma region even if it is solidarity one. The place of issues bothering on Anioma is what is missing in Ohaneze Ndiigbo’s agenda, do we not know this? Interestingly, the Igbo have in some way been frustrating the race for the actualization of Anioma State because to them there is no reason why the State should emerge, this apparent when a committee headed by Chief Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu on State creation for the Igbo completely and arbitrarily ruled out the choice of Anioma State for the Igbo because according to them this could mean another State for the South-South geo-political region, but right senses accord us the knowledge that the emergence of Anioma State would make a sixth State for the South East, if the Igbo so desire it to be, Is Onitsha today a community within the South East not an Anioma community I ask? We may for certain reasons, clear or unclear ignore this but history will not because no one can turn back the hand of clock. An Anioma State would have been a full-fledged Igbo State for the Igbo, the great Chuba Okadigbo realized this before his death. It is a fact that the Anioma people have never been in the agenda of the Igbo contrary to what an Igbo writer like Ogaranya Uju Nkwocha Afuleze tries to force down into our throats. We have now deeply understood from Emma Okocha that when the Republic of Biafra was declared as a secessionist State from Nigeria by Chukwuemeka Odimegwu-Ojukwu, Anioma was not included in the maps of Biafra, instead the declaration only claimed Onitsha, a part of Anioma community now lost to the South East but in the pogrom that accompanied this, Northerners did not spare Anioma people because historically, and to the best of their knowledge, Anioma are completely part of Igbo nation, the result was that we shared in the killings and maiming. Some Igbo Historians have argued that the events that led to the civil war was caused by the Late Chukwuma Nzeogwu but these Historians fail to understand that first and foremost, Nzeogwu was not the leader of that coup, again he (Nzeogwu) only acted in reciprocity of the bad treatment and marginalization being manufactured by the Northerners and targeted at the Igbo, a race he felt he was part and parcel of but when the battle line was drawn, he quickly realized that he was not in the arrangement of Ojukwu when he was ostracized from the affairs of the then Biafran Republic. I have lost count of the number of Army Commanders of Anioma extraction Biafra had. We died for the lived and died for the Igbo during the Nigeria-Biafra War, in the history of the Biafran War today, there is no Igbo community singly or put together that died as a result of organized massacres than the Anioma communities. Yet the rejection of Anioma people as proper Igbo or as “fake Igbo” peoplewho cannot speak Igbo properly has continued to this day. “Again in the 2007 election, as a prelude to that charade, Prof. Pat Utomi {from Ibusa}, whose wife is from the East, went to OHANAEZE to solicit for support for his presidential ambition. Chief Orji Uzor Kalu also went to solicit for his too. A section of OHANAEZE that rejected Pat Utomi, gave me a terrible food for thought. One of them, according to some daily Nigerian newspapers’ reports, hankered abject adroitly : “Is he really a proper Igbo man? Look at him, he cannot even speak Igbo properly.” Others even insinuated that his name did not sound Igbo. I was shocked to the bone marrow. I couldn’t believe what I was reading from prominent Igbo citizens. Instead of asking the two candidates to present their programmes and manifestoes, they were busy hankering on whether one of them is a “proper Igbo” or not. I was shocked of words. If any Igbo person does not know the meaning of Utomi, then that person should take a suicidal dive into the river Niger.” (Igbos of Delta State and Crisis of Identity (Conclusion) by Ephraim Adinlofu Interestingly, Pat Utomi is a member of Ohaneze Ndiigbo. We should never beg the Igbo to accept us as their kiths and kin rather the Anioma leaders should devise ways of wining the battles by taking the fate of the region in their hands, is the region must succeed. The status of Anioma is not strange in the polity of Nigeria, consider the seeming ethnic affinity existing between the Isoko and Urhobo, yet the Nigerian constitution and people recognize these as two distinct ethnic groups in the country. The case of Itsekiri who mixed with Benin and Yoruba as the Anioma are mixture of Bini and Igbo is also a case study here, the Itsekiri people are today distinctly an ethnic group separate from the Yoruba as well as Bini. When Peter Okocha was stabbed in the back, Ohaneze never collectively took up his course and addressed it. Instead he was abandoned to his fate. It is for this reason that I totally disagree with the view of Ogaranya Uju Nkwucha Afuleze linking ethnicity to divinity thus: “First, it is not up to them to say what they are and what they are not. When God created them, He did not ask them who they wanted to be. He just created them Igbo. The only way you'll know who belongs to what ethnic group in Nigeria is the name and what language the name comes from. Anybody whose name is Amadi or Onyeri, or Eke, or Odili, Wanodi (Nwanodi) does not need to tell you who he is. He is Igbo, his politics notwithstanding” Perhaps I am the only one in this whole universe who knows that the activities of European Missionaries to Nigeria altered ethnicity and tribes in the country either due to their lack of understandings of these tribes or as a deliberate means of achieving their selfish aims and objects. And this act extends beyond the Nigerian confines. Much of the countries we today refer to as Arabs were never Arabs but were arabized, typical of these countries are Egypt, Syria, and Iran etc. If a true organization capable of articulating the answers, responses and solutions to the challenges confronting the Anioma ethnicity emerges, the question of whether Anioma are Igbo or not will become a thing of past. This will also take care of the lack of leadership problem challenging the region today as a second factor confronting Anioma. If Ohaneze, Arewa and Oodua exist in Igbo land, North part of the nation and among the Yoruba, why cannot Anioma people sit down and devise a forum for championing the course of the region instead of relying on the Ohaneze’s assistances which never comes anyway? The fate of Anioma people in the hands of Ijaw, Urhobo, Isoko and Itsekiri also need to be addressed. These our brothers in what is believed to be their own Delta State have arrogantly dominated us since the creation of State. While there is nothing to show in Anioma as part of Delta State, there is everything in these other areas to show they are the “core Deltans” At least warri is the unofficial and economic capital of the State while Oghara is the administrative capital. Chief Ibori made them so. This is purely because we are considered Delta Igbo in foreign lands. The Anioma people need to work harder towards the actualization of Anioma State, and only this will make our crisis of identity a thing of the past http://www.articlesbase.com/politics-articles/anioma-igbo-ijaw-itsekiri-urhobo-isoko-leave-us-alone-650412.html 1 Like |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:23am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem: Ika is not Igbo stop claiming Enjoy
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:24am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh: I am enjoying it, you can enjoy this as well alj harem: |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:25am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem:Enjoy
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Nobody: 12:25am On Apr 18, 2012 |
afam4eva: I'm not even lying.. I call him Igbo any ways because he cooks Igbo food all the time, but he's always quick to deny Igbo.... I'm not even trying to get involved in the discourse.. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:26am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem:Enjoy
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:31am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh: It even get better I never even know say Ndokwa done disown una LOL ROMFLAO !!!!!!!! [size=13pt]Ndokwa not Igbo [/size] By Omenazu Ofili MR. Ikebudu’s letter to the Editor titled Re: The position of Ukwuani in the Delta Maze in the Vanguard of Monday, September 4, 2006, made a sorry reading, what with his indictment of his ethnic stock. The letter was a response to Francis Uchekaogwu’s piece, Locating Ndokwa in the Delta maze, which featured in the Vanguard of Thursday, August 31, 2006. Ikebudu chided Uchekaogwu for “wondering at both the source and incidence of the problem which he and his likes are consciously and unconsciously fueling". He dismissed the problem of identity of the Ukwuani as artificially created by a ridiculous denial of their Igbo roots, the aftermath, according to him, of a government-imposed Igbo defeat complex syndrome. Thus, in Ikebudu’s opinion, the bane of underdevelopment and other problems in Ndokwa is their denial of their alleged Igboness. Ikebudu apparently appeared to be confusing issues. Why do Igbos like him blame their tribal shortcomings and failures on a supposed government anti-Igboism? Why do they still see themselves as still suffering from the defeat in the civil war of late 1960s when other tribes who were on the same Biafran side have since put the war behind them, preferring to chart a new course for themselves? If Ikebudu appreciates his indictment of his tribe as extremely selfish, with innumerable mannerisms that can asphyxiate any right thinking person, then, he ought not blame a government-imposed defeatist syndrome for the woes of the Igbo. The Ukwuani or Ndokwa man does not share any of these traits with the Igbo. They lack the selfish aggression of the Igbo. Neither have they ever seen themselves as Igbo, right from pre-colonial times. A walk through history’s lane of antiquity will reveal that they cherish and treasure their Ukwuaniness. It did not start in the 1960s; so it cannot be dismissed as self (Igbo) denial arising from a defeatist complex. Neither can it be waved aside as distancing from the Igbo stock in the hope of tremendously enhancing economic fortunes since our pride of ancestry as Ukwuani did not start with the creation of states or the discovery of oil. Ukwuani is a unique and distinct language created and endowed by God on the Ukwuani people. Its similarity with any other language should not be taken for sameness, just as the similarity of most extant European languages with Latin or with one another does not confer synonymity on them. Austria is not Germany, neither is Portuguese, Spanish nor Dutch Afrikaans. Ukwuani language is the very essence of our Ukwuaniness and we all have a duty to project and protect it. In spite of the lingual affinity, the average Ukwuani man does not see himself as an Igbo. A generalized grouping that does not take into cognizance the feeling and conviction of the Ukwuani man on this issue of identity does not change his perception. Until slave trade, colonialism, Christianity and globalization, the Ukwuani man had very little to do with the Igbo. They were mutually apart, mutually unintelligible in language and each maintained its prejudices against the other. Both have a separate identity, which should be recognized and respected. People should, therefore, beware of ascribing an identity to a person different from what that person likes to be identified as. The language similarity often resulted in people erroneously categorising the Ukwuani as Igbo or a sub-culture of the Igbo, just as they have been ethnically mistaken for some of their neighbours like the Isoko and Urhobo. The average Ukwuani man, however, has never seen or identified himself as Igbo. Neither did he understand the Igbo language. In fact, Igboland was a distant territory until colonialism and globalisation resulted in increased contact and interaction between both peoples. Dr. S. N. Nwabara observed in Iboland: A Century of Contact with Britain 1860-1960, that until recently, the name Igbo, was not shared by all Ibo speaking peoples. The riverain peoples occupying the banks of the Niger, including the Ndokwa, referred to the Ibo hinterland as Ndigbo and to themselves as Ndimili (Ndosumili) or Ndiolu. There exist substantial differences between Igbo and Ukwuani people. The low level of mutual intelligibility and diverse cultural disparities mark the Ukwuani out as a distinct ethnic group. It was in this light that Hon. Ossai N. Ossai, member representing Ndokwa West constituency in the Delta State House of Assembly, moved a motion in 2003 for the official recognition of Ndokwa (Ndosumili and Ukwuani) ethnic identity through the transmission of communication about state matters in their language. The motion received near-unanimous acclamation with only one dissenting voice. It is only fair to concede to the Ukwuani the right to self-determination to choose an identity for themselves. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:35am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh No more picture ROMFLAO !!! No go log in as Ngodigha1 and come back (Note, I have nothing against Igbos but against Andre Uweh) |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:36am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem:Enjoy
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:37am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh: More pics please |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by AndreUweh(m): 12:40am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem:Interprete what this Delta Igbo motto is
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Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:43am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Andre Uweh: Interpret what idumu mean in Igbo ? That is Anioma for you |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 12:52am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Again Afam4eva and other my apologies but it needed to be done. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by osifred(m): 1:02am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Nice write up. @ poster U̶̲̥̅̊ r guilty of †ђξ very tin U̶̲̥̅̊ accused us (southeners) of. Who told you dat 'all' southerners stretotype pple from †ђξ north? Infact to be frank wit U̶̲̥̅̊ some of †ђξ streotype U̶̲̥̅̊ mentioned r strange to M̶̲̥̅Ƹ. How can sumbody ask a 'graduate' or 'student' (dependin on ur status) if you can speak english? N U̶̲̥̅̊ tink †ђξ qstn was asked cos U̶̲̥̅̊ r a northerner. Like ¶ said earlier nice write up |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by sosodat: 1:49am On Apr 18, 2012 |
alj harem: @above, Yeah, Onitsha, Imo, Anambra, Enugu, Abia everywhere all the southeast are not Igbo, alhaji harem is probably that which is Igbo in Nigeria....hope you're now happy ....Ode |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by aljharem(m): 2:09am On Apr 18, 2012 |
sosodat: Abeg go siddon for corner Maybe you missed the part where I said the post was solely for Andre Uweh aka Ngodigha1 ? If Andre uweh proves to be ignorant despite all the correction given to him then what is stopping me ? Worse of all, I am saying the truth compare to Andre uweh. So what is the problem ? If you all can see Andre's post and cannot complain then don't complain if others like me do the same ! |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by pdpiperpippen: 3:21am On Apr 18, 2012 |
We might have wrong views abt the north, but this's nt wrong: booooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmm!! |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Yujin(m): 3:45am On Apr 18, 2012 |
@OP, you are right except in the area of population. Kano is no where close Lagos population wise. Imagine desertified Bauchi having about 5million population. The average population of NW states is 4point something million in a basically desertified landscape- a typical fallacy. Actually, there are many tribes in the core north that are rarely heard of e.g the Ilela ppl known as the Zurus in Kebbi, the Karekare ppl in Yobe, the Sayawas in Bauchi and many others. Personally, I advice the non-hausa/fulanis to distinguish themselves when in the south to avoid the picture painted by the op and to possibly save them whenever a reprisal is to be carried out against the hausa/fulani who are always blood thirsty. The northerners have educated intellectuals from both the core north & middle belt no doubt but when compared to the south, they are just backward. However, some northerners comparatively speak english fluently more than southerners. Many thanks to quota system if not, the northerners will not be able to compete. The hausa/fulani elites want to present to the south a monolithic north for political reasons. However, their islamization agenda is exposing their wickedness to the northern christians. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Nobody: 4:12am On Apr 18, 2012 |
[quote author=afam4eva] some people here are on drugs I think. What does it mean to be Northern or Southern? Is that an identity that defines one's qualities/abilities? why many Nigerians too foolish sef I agree that generally, many Northerners can't compete with southerners(there are bunch of socio-cultural reasons why that is the case) , but are you saying intelligence is a function of geography Nonsense!! I believe that ceteris paribus, there will be nothing like southerners are smater than their northern counterparts or vice versa, it is a very invalid statement. many Northerners can't compete well with their southern counterparts because of the very ineffective educational system up here.It is almost the same as the situation in Africa when compared to other regions of the world. Western education is awesome but we should also not forget that the influence of the whites in Nigeria did spread from the south up North. Regions that adopted the new system quickly(eg Lagos and some Southern states) experienced very rapid growths including the attachment of great importance to Western education. Other regions that got into all these new cultures later are kinda lagging behind even till date. So chill out guys, many people from the North are not bad at all(especially people from my state). Just an addendum, I am from the North and none of the supposedly "intelligent Southerners" smelt my back through out my days in highschool and even here at Uni. Stop making unfounded claims guys, intelligence has nothing to do with one's place of origin. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by morc(m): 4:37am On Apr 18, 2012 |
I appreciate the write up and commend the writer for a well thought piece. I have experienced it too and have had to give my fellow southerners a clearer picture of the north. I was born in the north and also schooled there.Indeed, there are a lot of northerners in school especially those from Christian backgrounds but the writer would agree with me that the population of southerners in northern schools is quite high and they do very well but in the south, the number of northern students and lecturers is really small. As someone that schooled in the north and only returned to the south recently, i have observed that an average southerner sees his/her cup as always half full and therefore continue to strive for more but an average northerner is easily contented. I was born in Jos and some of my folks are still there so for me Jos is still home in spite of the crises and i don't regret it. But the truth be told the north has a long way to go. I plead with northerners not to use this medium to say that southerners do not live their environment.Southerners dominate the public and private sector of Nigeria and there is a saying that there is no where you wont find Ibos and they are doing well in business and educationally.Yorubas have done remarkably well nationally and internationally in all sectors. If you travel out of this country you will be amazed to discover the number of Nigerian professionals abroad especially those of southern origin. The only aspect that the north is well ahead of the south is politics. Am sure that the story of the north would have been different if the population was not highly comprised of fanatics. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by morc(m): 4:46am On Apr 18, 2012 |
I appreciate the write up and commend the writer for a well thought piece. I have experienced it too and have had to give my fellow southerners a clearer picture of the north. I was born in the north and also schooled there.Indeed, there are a lot of northerners in school especially those from Christian backgrounds but the writer would agree with me that the population of southerners in northern schools is quite high and they do very well but in the south, the number of northern students and lecturers is really small. As someone that schooled in the north and only returned to the south recently, i have observed that an average southerner sees his/her cup as always half full and therefore continue to strive for more but an average northerner is easily contented. I was born in Jos and some of my folks are still there so for me Jos is still home in spite of the crises and i don't regret it. But the truth be told the north has a long way to go. I plead with northerners not to use this medium to say that southerners do not live their environment.Southerners dominate the public and private sector of Nigeria and there is a saying that there is no where you wont find Ibos and they are doing well in business and educationally.Yorubas have done remarkably well nationally and internationally in all sectors. If you travel out of this country you will be amazed to discover the number of Nigerian professionals abroad especially those of southern origin. The only aspect that the north is well ahead of the south is politics. Am sure that the story of the north would have been different if the population was not highly comprised of fanatics. 2 Likes |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Amynamerica: 5:00am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Now aren't U̶̲̥̅̊ northern guys guilty of same thing U̶̲̥̅̊ trying so hard Τ̅☺ expunge from us by assuming the south think of the north as backwards! Pls Ơ̴̴̴̴̴̴͡.̮Ơ̴͡ it as individual thing rather than general opinion of the south! |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by EagleNest(m): 6:36am On Apr 18, 2012 |
Lovely piece,though you dont have to blame the Southerners alone on this. This mistake started from the colonial masters who lumped everyone together. While some ethnic groups (mostly from the South) have over the years been able to distinguish themselves from the rest. The impression that we get from the north is that they are ONE politically, culturally, language and religion-wise. And Boko Haram (Haters of Western Education) have not helped matter as well as your Northern Leaders.I can only judge/stereotype you by your actions and nothing else. The North likes political power so much, more than anything and the instant it slipped out of their hands, they have not ceased from unleashing mayhem. |
Re: The North That Southerners Don’t Know by Nobody: 7:43am On Apr 18, 2012 |
zeeleso: THE general belief held by most southerners about the North is that the region is not just mainly Muslim, but wholly Muslim. Whenever I meet someone from the South and introduce myself, I am correctly placed as a Christian. But once I am asked my state and I say Borno State, the next question becomes, ‘Are you a Muslim?’ This is despite my name being a very common Biblical name, Mark, which is the second Gospel. Matter of fact, I have been asked that question while attending a church programme, with a Bible conspicuously held in my hands. You could imagine my surprise at that question. This has also been the experience of a lot of friends with common names such as ‘Emmanuel’, ‘Daniel’, etc. |
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