America is the home of all immorality how can you say over here in west africa we are morally currupt than north america

We no even reach dem sef despite poverty here is unbearable and that the reason peoe do shady things here

But over there they do shady things for fun like striping and nude party and fornication swinging orgies and porn which over here it can be done but in closed door due to culture shock

Revolva: America is the home of all immorality how can you say over here in west africa we are morally currupt than north america

We no even reach dem sef despite poverty here is unbearable and that the reason peoe do shady things here

But over there they do shady things for fun like striping and nude party and fornication swinging orgies and porn which over here it can be done but in closed door due to culture shock

unclothedness is now a yard stick to measure morality. What about those 90% of touts in Lagos fighting every second in the street and insulting people? What about those taking laws into their own hands? Morality is not all about sex but conducts. Jeez! get over it Nigerians are not law abiding people. You can be jailed easily in the US for insulting someone like using racial slur on others. When did we have organized societies in West Africa? Answer that for me.

In my opinion (and it is my very personal opinion) I would say Nigeria is doing better and ranks higher on my moral scale than the US, because we are not saying yes to homosexuality and openly endorsing gay marriages.

Homosexuality is existent in Nigeria, but the fact that we don't encourage and endorse its practice we deserve a huge pat on the back. May be its more of a cultural value than a moral one. But I still would like to raise my children in Naija.

buzugee: nigeria is not morally better but majority of nigerian indigenes have been put to sleep. spiritual sleep, that is. they are in hades. walking zombies, if you will.

Your correct. What makes it worse in Nigeria is that we are a religious country as a whole, so for so much immorality to prevail, heaps of hipocracy must be prevalent in society, ie. higher figures in the church or mosque taking bribes from well known criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes or married men chasing young girls etc etc the list goes on. We know the difference between right and wrong but pawn them off to lousy excuses like condition or nature or culture. Funny enough some of the most morally upright people in both countries have nothing to do with religion at all. All in all the US is further ahead than nigeria

Dimples 316: In my opinion (and it is my very personal opinion) I would say Nigeria is doing better and ranks higher on my moral scale than the US, because we are not saying yes to homosexuality and openly endorsing gay marriages.

Homosexuality is existent in Nigeria, but the fact that we don't encourage and endorse its practice we deserve a huge pat on the back. May be its more of a cultural value than a moral one. But I still would like to raise my children in Naija.

Nonsense. Just say you don't like gays. Not by beating around the bush and use what doesn't stand on the scale of measurement to beg issues.

Every society has what defines their morality based on their law. Even the homosexuality issue is debatable and is not anything different from any country including Nigeria. You complicate yourself by saying that there are homosexuals in Nigeria as well which in a sense of it all they practice what homosexuals in America do. Yet, on the other hand, homosexuals are law abiding people and they don't just go about insulting and terrorizing people on the street like those 90% touts, policemen, etc.

Keep seeing your backward society has morally upright whereas it is just the opposite.

YES! Or @least in Pretence!cos gay,abortion,bestiality etc Are stil abomination in dis f..,ckin country d las Time I checked! Unlike US.

blessed4ril: YES! Or @least in Pretence!cos gay,abortion,bestiality etc Are stil abomination in dis f..,ckin country d las Time I checked! Unlike US.

Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
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all4naija: Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
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Do you even know the other meaning of Bestiality? Abeg that shit does not abound here at all!

slyfoxxjoe:

WHAT?! u never heard of a teenage rave party in Nigeria?? u obviously didnt go to secondary school here!

Here you go my friend, educate yourself on what a rave party really is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave Ensure to read Number 4 in the table of contents.

logicboy:


Graded? Why not solve the immorality rather than comparing your immorality with another country on a subjective basis;

America;
-Slavery of black africans
-Racism in the society
-Unjustified wars
-Exploitation and bully of other countries


Nigeria
-Corruption. Politicians behave as if the people work for them and not the reverse
-Creating poverty for its own people
-polygamy
-tribalism


Both countries are corrupt.

mr logicboy or watever name u call urself i tink u dnt knw wat u re saying, u dnt even understand wat u posted. U ask a question if nigeria is morally better dan u.s, so it has to b compared, we knw both re corrupt immorally but u.s is more corrupt dan nigeria, dey re d founder of corruption n we n other countries copy 4rm dem.

logicboy:

This guy, you are funny. This is what happens in the villages. I go to Naija very often.

Is it not in the village where one woman will have 10 children or one man will have 3 wives?

whats immoral about that if d man has d capability? But having 1 wife and 3 concubines is moral i guess.

all4naija: Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
.

and wat makes u tink dese tins re nt practised in d u.s, we ve ritualists in u.s, all sort of evil practises dat happen here 2day was brought down 4rm d u.s

Tattooboy:
whats immoral about that if d man has d capability? But having 1 wife and 3 concubines is moral i guess.

I hope your daughter and grand daughters become 3rd wives

logicboy:


I hope your daughter and grand daughters become 3rd wives

He asked a simple question

J12:

He asked a simple question

And I gave a simple reply

Thankgod you know it's a reply, not an answer

Thats a silly question, ofcourse Nigeria is morally better than the Us(my second country i must add) .... So like i was saying my first country Nigeria is morally better than my second country the world's number one USA

Based on what I've seen, the US (in general) is far worse than Nigeria in terms of morals and morality.

The United States, as a Western country, is more liberal and progressive than Nigeria in terms of social relations, thoughts/ideas, radical change, and behaviors. Whereas Nigeria is more conservative, religious, traditional, and cultural. For example, I've seen examples of where American kids shout/disrespect their parents whereas in Nigeria such a thing is unheard of.

Another example would be crime. Crime is rampant in both countries, however there is a great variation in the crime found in Nigeria and that found in America. In Nigeria, you'll hear of armed robberies, car theft, kidnappings, and a few murders here and there. Whereas in America, there isn't a day that you'll go without hearing that someone was brutally killed. American crimes are as such: mass serial killings, mass rapes, assassination attempts, drug crackdowns, child abuse, drug abuse, sexual molestation and etc.

In America, most people will witness you getting robbed but won't lift a finger to do a thing; the highest they'll do is call '911'. Whereas in Nigeria, crime is an affair that involves the entire community. Another thing you'll notice in America is the size and strength of people's doors. You'll notice how people always lock their doors at daytime (sometimes with multiple bolts) whereas in Nigeria one leaves his/her door wide open/unlocked during the day.

OP, I hope this has helped answer your question.

Mr_Anony:

Hmm at least you seem to agree that there are some things that a definitely wrong and other things that are definitely good. for instance among other things, murder is morally wrong no matter what and mercy is morally right no matter what. Please object if you don't agree.
Now we come to the greyer areas, at which point i could say that man's conscience is his own judge however since this judge doesn't physically punish man other than make him feel a little guilty, man can and does flaunt the rules of his conscience and with practice, he can numb it.
I will submit that conscience is quite universal and that is why we all know what good and evil are when we see them hence we have some objectivity and we can make laws that are fair.
The problem is no man really knows another's conscience except his own hence we are led to believe that they are wildly dissimilar when in fact our consciences are very much alike - or at least during the early stages of our life. Do you agree?

Herein lies the problem. you and I are agreed that murder is morally wrong.
But how do you define murder? Do you define it as the intentional taking of another person's life?
What about killing in warfare? Would you class that as murder?
If, for instance, as in the bible (Joshua 6 verse 17, god asked god asked Joshua to destroy every living thing in Jericho save for Rahab and her household, would you consider those killings morally bad? Consider the fact that if any modern leader gave similar instructions he was be a candidate for the International Criminal court, and many on this forum would call him evil.
Does not the idea of morality depend on our definition of the act?
Is eating animals morally right or wrong? It seems to me that it depends on whether one is vegetarian or not.
Is homosexuality morally wrong? I do not think so, although a lot of persons on NL would disagree with me.
How do we the idea that certain things are morally wrong?
Who decides what is moral?
Is it moral to treat women as equals or does one subscribe what Paul is alleged to have said in 1 Corinthians 14, v. 34 - 35 women should be silent in church and that it is shameful for them to talk in church?
Is slavery moral? If no, why do the bible and koran not condemn it?
Are our consciences good indicators of morality? I do not know.
What I do know if that unless concepts are properly defined (eg murder) we will be talking at cross purposes.
I would wish for there to be objective morality, but as a society like NL shows us, consensus is a difficult thing.
We all come to the table with our cultural baggage, prejudices and bias. Getting rid of those is near impossible.

Seunzz: Each number of the 10Commandments started with 'Thou Shall not'. I believe Morals originated from there. If morals were objective, then there cannot be any law or justice cos' if Mr. A sees murder as bad, Mr. B could see it as okay(if need be).

If your argument is correct, societies prior to the ten commandments were immoral societies. I do not accept that, but then i do not accept the concept of a god passing down rules from above, particularly as the first half of those rules reveal what one may call a narcissistic god. I suspect that you mean to say that if morals were subjective there cannot be any laws or justice. This is wrong, law and morals are not necessarily the same thing. It may be morally wrong to tell lies, but it may not be against the law to tell lies.

all4naija: Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
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I AM A RITUALIST AND I DONT TRADE HUMANS!

all this foolish myths.

luckgames:

If we have SOME MORALS LOT OF THE PEOPLE STEALING OUR MONEY WILL BE IN JAIL
U.S HAVE BETTER MORALS FOR THE REASON PEOPLE STEALING GOVERNMENT 90% ARE IN JAIL

90% of the population are in jail i am not surprized.

VolvoS60:





Sir,

You might want to crosscheck some of your points, sir, about polygyny being allowed but very rarely practiced; wives being 'very expensive' especially in Northern Nigeria; chiefs being intimate being a rare occurence; chiefs being very few to begin with, etc.

Please crosscheck & confirm that you are writing about the Nigeria I know. Or were your comments tongue-in-cheek?

i never cross-check what i say. what i say is[b] LAW[/b].

Make una argue die, nigeria better pass u.s in terms of corruption n morals

Hello dear friend.
(Uruguay 4- Peru 2)
It is not matter of pride that a society is better to American. American society is the most corrupt, violent, selfish and individualistic in the world (even more than Argentina).
I do not know Nigeria, but I have no doubt that Nigerian society is far more humane and has a greater sense of ethics and morality that the United States.
Nigeria has moral concepts that come from far back in time, a philosophy of life that we may criticize many times, but that can not be compared with that scum.
In the USA people are born intelligent (of course), and others, are economically have the means ... you imagine Bill Gates born in the jungle, isolated from the world without any technological advance, with malnutrition?. I imagine being born in a village in the interior of Uruguay, raising cattle and planting potatoes?
Be critical, yes, but not lose sight of our traditional values​​!
I have exchanged a lot about Africa. Formerly, artisans and merchants left their items by the roadside, with its low price item. The buyer left in money instead of the article, without requiring that the seller was there. That is unthinkable today in Africa and around the world ... but that indicates an idiosyncrasy, a lifestyle, a concept of ethics ... that have forgotten, cultural penetration, the contempt for the native , colonization, etc.
Maybe we should look more towards inside our house, and we should look less out.
But.
If I am not mistaken, you are talking about a pastor.
We can not judge a society by a corrupt!
We know that just hecxho to pastoring, he has a 99% chance of being a corrupt ...
But he is not Nigeria ...
Agree?
Sorry so long, and I hope my terrible English enables you to understand what I express!

A big hug my dear friend!
Vamo' arriba la celeste!!

bestofthisyear:

Your correct. What makes it worse in Nigeria is that we are a religious country as a whole, so for so much immorality to prevail, heaps of hipocracy must be prevalent in society, ie. higher figures in the church or mosque taking bribes from well known criminals and turning a blind eye to their crimes or married men chasing young girls etc etc the list goes on. We know the difference between right and wrong but pawn them off to lousy excuses like condition or nature or culture. Funny enough some of the most morally upright people in both countries have nothing to do with religion at all. All in all the US is further ahead than nigeria

Many are irritated with your comment, as many make religion the only reason for living.
Yop fully share your opinion.
Nigeria needs a lot less religion, and more self ..
Less prayer and more work ...
The changes are only made when there is unity.
My respect and a hug

all4naija: Bestiality in the highest order is found in the Nigerian society. Where people can trade humans for rituals, cannibalism,etc. Please, spare me the hypocrisy!
.

I agree with the essence of what you say.
But when we refer to African traditions (discard cannibalism), I prefer to respect the past.
I wonder know what contributions have made the Western and Islamic culture in Nigeria. Slavery, hunger and ignorance.
Has progressed? Nigeria is better to Allah or Jesus Christ to that of Olorún?
Everyone will know the answer.

Ptolomeus: Hello dear friend.
(Uruguay 4- Peru 2)
It is not matter of pride that a society is better to American. American society is the most corrupt, violent, selfish and individualistic in the world (even more than Argentina).
I do not know Nigeria, but I have no doubt that Nigerian society is far more humane and has a greater sense of ethics and morality that the United States.
Nigeria has moral concepts that come from far back in time, a philosophy of life that we may criticize many times, but that can not be compared with that scum.
In the USA people are born intelligent (of course), and others, are economically have the means ... you imagine Bill Gates born in the jungle, isolated from the world without any technological advance, with malnutrition?. I imagine being born in a village in the interior of Uruguay, raising cattle and planting potatoes?
Be critical, yes, but not lose sight of our traditional values​​!
I have exchanged a lot about Africa. Formerly, artisans and merchants left their items by the roadside, with its low price item. The buyer left in money instead of the article, without requiring that the seller was there. That is unthinkable today in Africa and around the world ... but that indicates an idiosyncrasy, a lifestyle, a concept of ethics ... that have forgotten, cultural penetration, the contempt for the native , colonization, etc.
Maybe we should look more towards inside our house, and we should look less out.
But.
If I am not mistaken, you are talking about a pastor.
We can not judge a society by a corrupt!
We know that just hecxho to pastoring, he has a 99% chance of being a corrupt ...
But he is not Nigeria ...
Agree?
Sorry so long, and I hope my terrible English enables you to understand what I express!

A big hug my dear friend!
Vamo' arriba la celeste!!

I understand you. America is corrupt but Nigerians should not overlook their problems when criticizing America.


Uruguay plays good football!

logicboy:


I understand you. America is corrupt but Nigerians should not overlook their problems when criticizing America.


Uruguay plays good football!

Yeah forlan and suarez play good football.....

1 thing I really dnt like about 9ja is that behind that religious facade lies wickedness and corruption......

Its too painful.....

I mean its either 1 calls God and do d right thing or don't call on God and do d vile things....

U see were pastors and clerics support corruption and tell u God is in control....

The hypocrisy its just do glaring..........

ijawkid:

Yeah forlan and suarez play good football.....

1 thing I really dnt like about 9ja is that behind that religious facade lies wickedness and corruption......

Its too painful.....

I mean its either 1 calls God and do d right thing or don't call on God and do d vile things....

U see were pastors and clerics support corruption and tell u God is in control....

The hypocrisy its just do glaring..........

You make too much sense, bro! 100% agree. It is a sad thing to see corrupt pastors and cleric using religion to cover their atrocities.

Still, I wonder why you are still religious

Morality and ethics are a bit subjective and vary culturally. The ten commandments (not all) in bible are very objective and are the rudimentary moral code across many societies and culture regardless of their regilious beliefs.
We can all agree that everywhere in the world, it is immoral/a crime to kill, steal, commit adultery etc. . . Using this as a yardstick to juxtapose both countries, I think (my opinion) the United states is more immoral as a country than Nigeria.

obowunmi: Oyedepo is yet to be arrested and imprisoned for child abuse. Creflo was booked. Same wickedness, different application of the law.

Nigeria is a lawless country. No rules. No laws. More madness. For most Nigerians, it is normal.

LOL, you amuse me, ...thats quite dumb of you, please go and kill some child on the road and let me know if you don't die by hanging...rubbish

all4naija: Nonsense. Just say you don't like gays. Not by beating around the bush and use what doesn't stand on the scale of measurement to beg issues.

Every society has what defines their morality based on their law. Even the homosexuality issue is debatable and is not anything different from any country including Nigeria. You complicate yourself by saying that there are homosexuals in Nigeria as well which in a sense of it all they practice what homosexuals in America do. Yet, on the other hand, homosexuals are law abiding people and they don't just go about insulting and terrorizing people on the street like those 90% touts, policemen, etc.

Keep seeing your backward society has morally upright whereas it is just the opposite.

Why are you getting all aggressive and borderline abusive? I read her post and nothing suggests that she hates gays. She probably dislikes their lifestyle but that does not mean she hates them same way God loves the sinner but hates sin (or the act of sin). This is a public forum and everyone is entitled to their respective opinions. If you don't agree with a person's post or opinion, ignore that post and move on to the next. We cannot all think alike and I get sick and tired of bitter forumites like yourself who want to force your opinion down everyone's throat albeit unsuccessfully.

@Post

I would say back in the 80s and 90s, one might argue that Nigeria was morally better than the USA. However, looking at both countries today, both countries are morally bankrupt. America is just heading down the express path to hell and Nigeria is doing the same. I do not intend to fully raise my kids in either country. Most Nigerian youths of today are emulating all the negative aspects of american culture.

Look at nairaland for instance, people cannot even disagree without using the f-word, s-word, b-word and what have you. When I was growing up as a young child in Nigeria in the mid eigthies and nineties, the F-word did not even exist in our spoken vocabulary. Most present day Nigerians especially the younger generation are as foul mouthed as the americans and cuss like uncouth drunken sailors. They think its cool to act that way but it is not. It is a complete turn off. I don't want my kids growing up in neither Nigeria or america because both countries are just morally filthy and nothing to write home about.

2good:

Do you know that thesame legal system you talk about varies from country to country? I'll give you some examples here:
1. In Iran it is punishable by death to say there is no God.
2. Its is also a crime punishable by death for a Muslim to convert to Christianity.
3. In the Netherlands, prostitution is legal.
4. Smoking of marijuana is also legal in the Netherlands.
5. Homosexuality is Legal in many European countries including the Netherlands while it's a punishable offence in Nigeria.
6. In the US, some states allows homosexuality while some-others don't.
7. In Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive a car.
8. In Saudi Arabia a woman must always cover her hair in the public whether she's a Muslim, an Arab or a Westerner. it is the law.
9. In Oman, boys and girls are not allowed to talk and socialize in the public. It is strictly against the law but that is not a problem in Nigeria.

You can see that the cultural and religious believes of a people, influences their law in so many ways. So morality is subjective.

Wrong. You're confusing national legal systems for morality. There is a difference between what is moral and what is legal. what is legal could be immoral, amoral or moral. Haven't heared of the word "immoral law" before?

Morality is OBJECTIVE.