FXKing2012:

Now I see why u are so confused, seems I've been wasting my time on you.

logicboy01:


lol.....Nowhere in the bible does it say that Job was a fearful man. liar

Furthermore, fear is not a reason to accept Satan's request;


[size=14pt]4 “Skin for skin!” Satan replied. “A man will give all he has for his own life. 5 But now stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.”[/size]

diluminati:
no need to derail the thread logic.and ill advise you keep your cool, you are not in a fight and you are doing great because this is one subject that will make many christians start thinking.
Now no christian should tell me Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus actually striked a deal with the arch enemy satan to take away lives and property to change someones way of thinking. If you have really lost someone, maybe in a gruesome manner then you will find it evil what transpired between God and Satan. Where is the looooooove there? Why didnt God just overpower satan there and then and put a stop to that evil idea but he choose to give in to satans wiles. Does God really feel the pain of you losing someone going by this story and considering the way he treated job. A better argument should be this job story is all made up.

diluminati:
no need to derail the thread logic.and ill advise you keep your cool, you are not in a fight and you are doing great because this is one subject that will make many christians start thinking.
Now no christian should tell me Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus actually striked a deal with the arch enemy satan to take away lives and property to change someones way of thinking. If you have really lost someone, maybe in a gruesome manner then you will find it evil what transpired between God and Satan. Where is the looooooove there? Why didnt God just overpower satan there and then and put a stop to that evil idea but he choose to give in to satans wiles. Does God really feel the pain of you losing someone going by this story and considering the way he treated job. A better argument should be this job story is all made up.

FXKing2012:

Another Bible-interpreter-wanna-be! The old testament was written for our learning, and until u understand that, u will continue to wallow in ignorance. The story of Job has changed countless number of lives since it was documented. How wld those lives have been touched and changed if it had not happened and if it had not been documented. Do you know how many souls that must have been saved by mere reading that story?
Imagine for one moment it had not happened or God simply said to satan "DO NOT TOUCH HIM". How wld we have learned and known that it is worthwhile to trust in God without flinching, or that the rewards for trusting in God is immense.

logicboy01:


do you need Jobs story to be hopeful? There are numerous stories outside the bible that tell of people surviving cancer through sports. You, dont realise that the bible is not a perfect book.

logicboy01:


Shut up.

Jesus died on the cross like a fowl

FXKing2012:

If u say the Bible is not perfect then u say God is not perfect. You can not separate God from his Word, so the Bible is 100% perfect.

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

Leviticus 14:49-53
King James Version (KJV)
49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

buzugee: better this fire than the other fire

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

Mpetempe:

I Pray The Merciful Lord Forgives Your Ignorance... You Need Spiritual Deliverance.

Hope6289: Sometimes we think we know it all, but the life, brain and intelligence we have was given to us, if it wasn't, man would have found a way not to die. Serving God requires faith, and faith goes far beyond intellectual logic. I may not understand all of God's ways, and I wouldn't stress myself, because God is supreme and sovereign. The story of Job has a spiritual significance and as the Bible says, the secret of the sweet companionship of God and the revelation of His deep covenant meanings are only with those who fear God (Psalm 25:14) No man can defend or accuse God, for God is ALMIGHTY and SOVEREIGN and one day, all Nations, all People will bow before Him in worship and reverence, including atheists Revelations 15:4.God be praised

redcliff:

We are no longer in the old testament where slanderous statements come with a price: ur life. Other wise that poster would have died immediately

redcliff:


He made u for his pleasure. He can do whatever he wants to do with anybody ay anytime.

Mpetempe:

I Pray The Merciful Lord Forgives Your Ignorance... You Need Spiritual Deliverance.

Ileke-IdI:
Most of the story in the bible seem pretty wicked.

The Bible makes God seem like a wicked God. In the old testaments sha.

emöfine2: To be honest this is one of the most unfortunate stories I've ever read in the bible and I have never gleaned anything spiritual or higher from it (aside from job describing the elements and the power of his god).

It made me wonder if we are mere pawns in an egotistical battle between god and his adversary...their contention was so that it interfered with and affected the life of another and in extension his family, employees, livestock and charities for the duration of their bet. So in essence it was not only the life of one man that was interfered with and I doubt those that were rendered as collateral damage were directly compensated for during the period of their own loss.

And the most absurd part of the story is that in the end Job had another batch of 10 children who were said to be even more beautiful than the last set. Would it even matter if they were not attractive or even less attractive than the last 10?...a child is irreplaceable talkless of ten...that loss cannot be glossed over with beauty.

Albeit I understand that trials may exist to make one stronger or refine their character but the manner in which this was allowed to occur - to prove Job to the devil who was already said to be "perfect" - was pretty callous in my opinion of course.