Obijulius: I have never met a true atheist(going by the definition of atheism). What we have are loafers puffed up with pride or some fellows who are so frustrated by the sufferings on earth that the easiest way out is to blame the Maker.

Obijulius:
Most of u so-called atheists will run to science to fight ur case. And yet science deals with Cause and Effect. Science also realises that more often than not it is practically impossible to explain the Cause.

Obijulius:
Science however, never doubts that there is a cause for every effect, with the limitation that science cannot explain the super Cause using empirical methods. Thus science can study and explain the creation and not the Creator.

Obijulius:
The atheist is not a scientist, his belief system is not based on sound reasoning. Rather on pride and a loathsome desire to look different. And yet unconsciously he must live by the rules of the Creator, he must obey the laws of nature (the effect), and he will remain a benefactor of this One, whose existence and power he seeks to rubbish (foolishly).

Obijulius:
Would the atheist believe in God if there was no story of Job? Answer 4 ur selves. For like the Devil, you will keep seeking excuses for ur foolishness.

Obijulius:
If any of u can explain CREATION in atheist terms (reasonably and without junkering about), I myself would become an atheist, I want to stand out too. ℓ☺ℓ

druid06:

I can't really say what chapters has been lost but recently, a herder in one of this eastern nation close to Israel found some missing scrolls of the bible but they're still running their experiments to make sure it's authentic. My point is that we're moving away from the topic in general. The bible has been translated from it's original language which was Aramaic to the numerous English ones available. Do you know how many messages and meaning that might have been lost. Also, talking about volume, the Bible is to small to give every account of Job's life. There might be some missing points which the translators at that time did not think were neccessary. Do you how how large the Bible would have been if they gave every account of Job. Job might have done something wrong for him to be tested. I am not sure. HIS ways are not my ways so let's not take chapters and verses from the Bible and twist them to make them contradictory and deceiving.

FXKing2012: I have two things for the so called atheists: 1) If there is an effect then there must be a cause (Cause and Effect). So if there is a creation then there must be a creator.
2) No living thing can come from an inanimate object. So Big.Bang theory can never explain the existence of life. There MUST be a higher being that gave life to the first set of living things. This is simple logic!

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

katunj: mind you, you neva worked for anything. God gave u what u have including ur children so he the almighty can take them in 1 second if he so wishes.

dekung: First off, that story, like most other stories in the bible including that of Moses, David and solomon, never happened. However, if the even actually took place like it was described then I dont think I want to serve an egotistical God who will use me to boast before his opponent only for him to allow his opponent to destroy all that I have worked including my children. Even if I have 200 other children does it relplace the relationsip that existed between me and one who were collaterally damaged by God?
I have two beautiful children now and I cannot trade their lives for anything even for the promise of more beautiful children.

emöfine2: To be honest this is one of the most unfortunate stories I've ever read in the bible and I have never gleaned anything spiritual or higher from it (aside from job describing the elements and the power of his god).

It made me wonder if we are mere pawns in an egotistical battle between god and his adversary...their contention was so that it interfered with and affected the life of another and in extension his family, employees, livestock and charities for the duration of their bet. So in essence it was not only the life of one man that was interfered with and I doubt those that were rendered as collateral damage were directly compensated for during the period of their own loss.

And the most absurd part of the story is that in the end Job had another batch of 10 children who were said to be even more beautiful than the last set. Would it even matter if they were not attractive or even less attractive than the last 10?...a child is irreplaceable talkless of ten...that loss cannot be glossed over with beauty.

Albeit I understand that trials may exist to make one stronger or refine their character but the manner in which this was allowed to occur - to prove Job to the devil who was already said to be "perfect" - was pretty callous in my opinion of course.

SimonAndal: If the story of Job is true, then I don't see God as evil, I think he just doesn't know what and how it feels like to be human. It's like the scientist and the lab rat, one is lord over the other, and so does whatever he likes to it. But if he could feel what the other feels, he'd stop his experiments with immediate effect. (Not the best of analogies, I know, but it's the best I can come up with. I'm only just waking up, you know.)
If half the bible is true, then it means God has lost his way and needs to know what being human is all about, 'cause question: if a king kills off your only child, or ten, your spouse and your livelyhood just to test your devotion to him, will you, truthfully, bow down with a clear heart? A heart sans animosity?

dapsy d:

the question that still trouble my mind as regards human being is that, why should human being always want to compare themselves with God. He is our creator, he can do anything he so pleases with our life. If for instance u use clay to mode something like pot and decide later to use the same clay to mode chair, who will question u and say u have not done well. So are we with God, its only a fool that will question his or her maker.

SimonAndal: If the story of Job is true, then I don't see God as evil, I think he just doesn't know what and how it feels like to be human. It's like the scientist and the lab rat, one is lord over the other, and so does whatever he likes to it. But if he could feel what the other feels, he'd stop his experiments with immediate effect. (Not the best of analogies, I know, but it's the best I can come up with. I'm only just waking up, you know.)
If half the bible is true, then it means God has lost his way and needs to know what being human is all about, 'cause question: if a king kills off your only child, or ten, your spouse and your livelyhood just to test your devotion to him, will you, truthfully, bow down with a clear heart? A heart sans animosity?

[b]Job 1: 8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

joe4christ:

And you think such a God that says he honours his word more than his very name and that heaven and earth will surely pass away but not a tiny part of his word will ever pass away, such a God as this will just sit back and watch his word contaminated?
Think again bro, if the bible which is the word of the creator of the universe himself is inperfect then there is no basis for it to vindicate or judge anyone cause it's inperfect, but that is not true, Jesus is the very word of God and the very spirit which inspired the prophets and men of God who wrote the bible, God is perfect and his word cannot be otherwise, if you truly know more or even little about biblical history you would have known the numerous number of attempt by the roman catholics and other religion and world leaders who have done everything possible to destroy the word of God (BIBLE) for centuries without success.
The word of God stands firm forever!

buzugee: you acting like a lil bit-ch right about now. you acting like a girl. scoffing at real knowledge. only fools scoff at knowledge so i take it you must be a real fool. you acting like a real mamas girl right about now. talking all that junk and you aint never posted nothing that made sense. shytttt i aint even seen you here before. ok maybe i seen one post or two but nothing to write home about.
on a side note, the story of jesus obviously post-dates the horus and isis story ( which are all adaptations of semiramis tammuz and nimrod of ancient babylonia) but i didnt think a lot people on here are clued up on that story to where i had to be accurate about the heirachy. the point i was trying to make was simply that all spiritual stories from different cultures are hybrids or mutations or adaptations from the original people on the planet, THE BLACK HEBREW MAN AND WOMAN WHO SPOKE THE MOTHER TONGUE, LASHAWAN QADASH. thats the point here. and yes, the first civilization came from the original people on earth. it may have not been officially recognised as a civilization but it was. the earliest recorded civilizations though were the babylonian-persian and medes-greek-roman. but notwithstanding, the first civilization ( albeit not officially recorded as one ) will be the first people on the planet. THE BLACK HEBREWS. and with that, keep ignoring my posts because knowledge is lost on fools. i aint tryna cast pearls before a swine like you idiot

redcliff:


He made u for his pleasure. He can do whatever he wants to do with anybody ay anytime.

Les: [color=#006600][/color] who gave them to you? Who gave Job all that life? I leave here cause you all atoast no even get point, all your arguments are fallacy, believe me cos you don't know the bible than a repentant! If you can explain this "GOD'S the author and the finisher of our faith" and your explanation is similar to your argument, half consideration, but full consideration if you repent. But if you can't, just know it your self that you all atoast are delusively WRONG!

emöfine2: To be honest this is one of the most unfortunate stories I've ever read in the bible and I have never gleaned anything spiritual or higher from it (aside from job describing the elements and the power of his god).

It made me wonder if we are mere pawns in an egotistical battle between god and his adversary...their contention was so that it interfered with and affected the life of another and in extension his family, employees, livestock and charities for the duration of their bet. So in essence it was not only the life of one man that was interfered with and I doubt those that were rendered as collateral damage were directly compensated for during the period of their own loss.

And the most absurd part of the story is that in the end Job had another batch of 10 children who were said to be even more beautiful than the last set. Would it even matter if they were not attractive or even less attractive than the last 10?...a child is irreplaceable talkless of ten...that loss cannot be glossed over with beauty.

Albeit I understand that trials may exist to make one stronger or refine their character but the manner in which this was allowed to occur - to prove Job to the devil who was already said to be "perfect" - was pretty callous in my opinion of course.

FXKing2012:

Th four corners of the earth were used figuratively, not literally. The Bible simply means throughout the world. Again, u need a good spiritual standing to understand the Bible, so I'm not surprised at all by ur argument.

maclatunji:

You need to get out of your simplistic mode of thinking. Although I agree with some of your points.

emöfine2:

I do not compare myself with god; I will never do such a thing. The righteous atrocities of “god” far outweighs any unrighteous mischief I might have caused during my short span on earth.
But should god not be charged for the damages “he” has afforded people because of these unsolicited “test of faith” he so frequently conducts or are we just raw materials meant to accord this being continuous uncritical praise?

The clay I mould has no live personality and no conscious so if I was to remould the clay what hurt have I caused? What alarm should that arouse?

But if it’s perfectly okay for this biblical god to “do anything he so pleases” with human lives (as you are suggesting) because “he” allegedly allowed for our existence and the further nauseating excuse of such trials being a mere “test of faith” then such a being is not only highly conceited but also manipulative and for our sake should be kept very far away from us – well at least from me.



That is an interesting point but Simon the thing is scientists do not claim to “love” these lab rats they are experimenting with.

logicboy01:


Sharaap. Get the Feck out my thread aboki.

You added nothing, just snark.

Orikinla: [size=18pt]Every atheist is a fool.

To question the existence of God is to question your own existence.
Because we are the evidence of the existence of God.
For if there is no beginning, there is no existence and God is the beginning and the end.[/size]

maclatunji:

LMFSO!

logicboy01:


Yes and you can see the four corners of the earth from a high point, according to the bible.

emöfine2: maclatunji...oh please be so generous as to share your vast knowledge to expand my “simplistic mode of thinking”



Four corners of the earth is a reference to the 4 compass points. That passage is not suggesting the earth is angular.