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Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 2:12pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: Isnt it Iblis that went to God to test Ayyub? Did Iblis shake the foundation of the structure that the children were in and it collapsed on them~? |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 2:15pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: please i just want you to show me where that is written and what is exactly written before we discuss anything further. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 2:46pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: http://www.jannah.org/morearticles/50.html |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 3:24pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: please copy and post the Islamic text where that is stated.i did not ask you for a web link. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 4:15pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: Are you saying that the story that I put up there is not accepted in islam? There is something dodgy here |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by vedaxcool(m): 6:54pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
I wonder why the willing learner didn't ask lagosshia what in sensible in people wiping themselves, slapping their chest, injuring themselves to commemorate the matrydom of Hussien. Yeah the intellect is "one" of the five basis for drawing laws indeed! Cheers01: Lol! This question has no basis to my point, it does not aid ur case in any value! It is a pity ur teacher only prefers to teach addition and subtraction! the point remains it is beneath Allah to move a rock! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by vedaxcool(m): 7:06pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Iblis reminded her of the days when Job had good health, wealth and children. Suddenly, the painful memory of yeas of hardship overcame her, and she burst into tears. She said to Job: "How long are you goinng to bear this torture from our Lord? Are we to remain without wealth, children or friends forever? Why don't you call upon Allah to remove this suffering?" Job sighed, and in a soft voice replied: "Iblis must have whispered to you and made you dissatisfied. Tell me, how long did I enjoy good health and riches?" She replied, "For eighty years" Then Job asked, "How long am I suffering like this?" She said, "for seven years" Then Job told her: "In that case I am ashamed to call on my Lord to remove the hardship, for I have not suffered longer than the years of good health and plenty. It seems yourfaith has weakened and you are dissatisfied with the fate of Allah. If I everreagin health, I swear I will punish you with a hundred strokes! From this day onward, I forbid myself to eat or drink anything from your hand. Leave me alone and let my Lord do with me as He pleases." Crying bitterly and with a heavy heart, she had no choice but to leave him and seek shelter elsewhere. In his helpless state, Job turned to Allah, notto complain but to seek His mercy: "Verily, dsitress has seized me, and You and the Most Merciful of all those who show Mercy. So We answered his call, and We removed the distress that was on him, and We restored his family to him (that he had lost) and the like thereof along with them - as a mercy from Ourselves and a Reminder for all who whorship Us" Quran 21:83-84 Almighty Allah also instructed: "Commemorate Our servant Job behold he cried to his Lord: "The Evil One has afflicted me with distress and suffering"! (The command was given "Strike with thy foot: here is (water) wherein to wash cool and refreshing and (water) to drink." And We gave him (back) his people and doubled their number as a Grace from Ourselves and a thing for commemoration for all who have Understanding." Quran 38:41-43 Job obeyed, and almost immediately his good health was restored. Meanwhile, his faithful wife could no longer bear to be parted from her husband and returned to beg his forgiveness, desiring to serve him. On entering he house, she was amazed at the sudden change: Job was again healthy! She embraced him and thanked Allah for His mercy. Job was now worried, for he had taken an oath to punish her with a hundred strokes if he regained health, but he had no desireto hurt her. He knew if he did not fulfill the oath, he would be guilty of breaking a promise to Allah. Therefore, in His wisdom and mercy, Allah came to the assistance of His faithful servant, and advised him: "And take in your hand a bundle of thin grass and strike therewith (your wife), and break not your oath. Truly we found him patient. How excellent a slave! Verily, he was ever oft-returning in repentance to Us" Quran 38:44 Abu Huraira (ra) narrated that the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said: "While Job was naked, taking a bath, a swarm of locusts fell on him, and he started collecting them in his garment. His Lord called him: 'O Job! Have I not made you too rich to need what you see?' He said: 'Yes, O Lord! But I cannot shun Your Blessings" (Bukhari) Cheers tanks for the link, we muslim are again reminded of Job, the patient servant of Allah, may Allah strengthen our faiths! Amin |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 7:20pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
vedaxcool: @ bold part; lol....If I say that wife beating is allowed in islam, they would deny it |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 7:22pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
vedaxcool: I wonder why the willing learner didn't ask lagosshia what in sensible in people wiping themselves, slapping their chest, injuring themselves to commemorate the matrydom of Hussien. Yeah the intellect is "one" of the five basis for drawing laws indeed! Why is it beneath Allah? Do you think for Allah now? Just because you are too pot-bellied to lift a rock............... |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by vedaxcool(m): 7:31pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
It is beneath Allah's majesty to move a rock! Period! And just because u r too unsound to think and draw the right conclusions will not invalidate that fact! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 7:49pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
vedaxcool: It is beneath Allah's majesty to move a rock! Period! And just because u r too unsound to think and draw the right conclusions will not invalidate that fact! Your point is irrelevant. It is beneath Vedaxcool's majesty to clean a toiled but can he clean a sh1tty toilet? Yes. Can Allah create a rock that he can not move |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by vedaxcool(m): 7:55pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
For someone to ask Do you think for Allah and then again asked us question pertaining what Allah will do underscores my point that is, serial inability to reason and draw appropriate conclusions! It is this sort of contradiction and unstable questions that leaves the sane ignoring ur posts! Cheers01: And indeed it is beneath Allah's majesty to move rock! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 8:02pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
vedaxcool: For someone to ask Do you think for Allah and then again asked us question pertaining what Allah will do underscores my point that is, serial inability to reason and draw appropriate conclusions! It is this sort of contradiction and unstable questions that leaves the sane ignoring ur posts! Can Allah create a substance that he can not destroy? Can Allah create a god stronger than hinmself? Were you too dull to realise that "rocks" was just an example among many questions that show the contradiciton that is omnipotence! I am too much for you vedaxcool! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by vedaxcool(m): 8:52pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: And the contradiction continues . . . Poor u! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 9:28pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
vedaxcool: I wonder why the willing learner didn't ask lagosshia what in sensible in people wiping themselves, slapping their chest, injuring themselves to commemorate the matrydom of Hussien. Yeah the intellect is "one" of the five basis for drawing laws indeed! please review: LagosShia: Sister "uplawal", LagosShia: |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 9:30pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: please,i am here to discuss with you.bring forth the evidence that it was God that "sent" shaitain to test Job (as). |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 9:44pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: Whatever the case, Allah allowed the death of Job's children. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 9:59pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: You know something? don't you think Allah (swt) also allowed the death of my grandparents and relatives? He also allowed the death of over 150 people in the DANA flight. in Islam,death is not punishment or suffering.it is the entrance to a new world for the individual.every exit is an entrance in life.it is the passage "to meet God".it can be seen as trial or test for the surviving relatives.it is a test of faith of how much they believe in God and the truth.and from the story of Job (as)-i am not sure of the specific tests he underwent- but from the Quranic narrative,he passed those tests and his faith in Allah (swt) was solid. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 10:09pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: Then by all means, your children should enjoy the same fate as Job's. Amin You agree? |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 10:17pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
Cheers01: if that is the will of Allah (swt),ameen!!! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by maclatunji: 10:27pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
fellis: This topic wasn't deleted? If nobody has told you before, I am telling you now that you are brilliant! Well said! |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 10:36pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
maclatunji: hmmmm...i hope you guys are not looking for wife.you and Cheers aka MacDaddy aka logicboy. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by maclatunji: 11:53pm On Jul 21, 2012 |
LagosShia: I appreciate brilliance when I see it. If I want to tell her stuff, I will, I am a very direct person. So, leave the matter. My compliment stands. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 12:25am On Jul 22, 2012 |
LagosShia: Calm down. I am not looking for a muslim girlfriend anymore. One almost cost me my life, the other my heart. Not ready to fight. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by LagosShia: 12:25am On Jul 22, 2012 |
maclatunji: i see! lover boy moderator. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 12:27am On Jul 22, 2012 |
LagosShia: lol.....at least its nice to see Maclatunji in a good mood on my thread. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Nobody: 8:06am On Jul 22, 2012 |
@Lagosshia, What is it with you? Can't people simply commend my post without having ulterior motives? LagosShia:You didn't understand what I wrote there. I meant that there is both faith and logic involved in religion but faith plays a bigger part in keeping it thriving. Religion without any form of logic would be completely insane so I could not possibly have meant that. Lagosshia: based on Shia Islam,that is therefore a wrong concept.in Shia Islam,the intellect is one of the five basis for drawing laws in the sharia or in Islamic jurisprudence.there is nothing that God made or said that cannot be rationalized or found to be true and logical.you need to reconsider your words.It's always Shia Islam, Shia Islam, Shia Islam with you. Why did you pick out Shia Islam when you wanted to speak against what I said? Why didn't you defend the generality of Muslims? Are non-shia Muslims not also Muslims and therefore your brothers? Do they not also follow the Sharia which you used to buttress your point? You could have said the concept of faith without logic is wrong in Islam, rather than bringing Shia into the matter. I really don't intend to cause any offense with this post so please don't take offense. Peace. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Nobody: 8:10am On Jul 22, 2012 |
maclatunji:Thank you for the compliment. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Nobody: 8:12am On Jul 22, 2012 |
Cheers01:I am not a skeptic. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 8:22am On Jul 22, 2012 |
fellis: I understand. You dont have to publicly admit it |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Nobody: 8:35am On Jul 22, 2012 |
Cheers01:Cheers what is it now? I don't want your skeptic title, stop giving me it. |
Re: A Difficult Question About Allah by Cheers01: 8:40am On Jul 22, 2012 |
fellis: Okay, sorry. |
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