CAPTIVATOR:
Only the Father knows isn't from God's word?

You are really dull.

both Statement CONTRADICT. One is a LIE

Which is a Lie.

Is it

A. Jesus knows all things

B. Only the Father know the day and hour and Jesus doesn't know.

Which?

The @color part is the key and for a reference.

I know that is not the position of Watchtower but it's evident that you people actually disregard God's word while claiming fake love for Him.

So, to you now believe Bible CONTAINS CONTRADICTION.

There's no low level can't go to just to show case the deed of your father the Devil in you.

CAPTIVATOR:
And a Dead person doesn't have Spirit ? Yes. So proving my point , loss of life is an absence of spirit.

Now, he wants to be clever by half

Yes! A dead person doesn't have SPIRIT because that is what goes to heaven to give account.

But you can see that a body LOSSING LIFE is different from SPIRIT ABSENT.

That is why Paul could talk about someone OUT OF BODY.

Until you can say that a Dead person retain their spirit . You are speaking bullshit.

Ignoramus!

I'm tutoring you about SPIRIT and FUNCTIONING OF THE BODY.

He transfered to Adam - Genesis 2:7 , the Bible said an Adam became a Living soul.

The word " BECAME " indicate the final procedure that activated life was the giving of spirit. Without which He can't have life.

It was through ADAM nostrils which means God was present with Adam.

So, you ignorance that God TRANSFERRED to womb is nonsense when you're trying to equate with Adam.

What did God gave the Foetus and Adam to BECAME A LIVING

- Spirit person

- Breath.

We are still on this hill.

God gave every human SPIRIT and that SPIRIT is a person.

How long with it take for you to process this INFORMATION?

VERY DULL.

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus knows all things.

Concerning the day and hour , only the Father knows. ( Meaning Jesus doesn't know)

One of this statement is a Lie

Which?

You see the reason I do say, you people are of your father the Devil.

So Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS ISN'T FROM GOD'S WORD.

Well, all you need to know I've already explained in more than two pages, you can check it.

But trying to call God's word lie won't stand.

CAPTIVATOR:


You didn't explain shit , just say you are lost Dunce making Jesus a Liar

So how could Jesus know something only the Father know if they are not same person? That makes Jesus a LIAR!

Its either you agree only the Father knows and Jesus doesn't know or agree Jesus himself lied

Very pathetic.

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

I know this is that you don't want to be in the scripture and the reason you're so pained that the Holy spirit used Apostles to PENNED THAT DOWN.

Reason why you claimed the APOSTLES MADE MISTAKE

CAPTIVATOR:
Every death is an absence of spirit. It takes a person with spirit to be declared living

But medical disagree with you.

Dead occurred the moment your heart stopped.

Stop lying.

Either completely formed or not. It takes Spirit to activate Life ,and the moment it's gone, death happens ( James 2:26)

Very ignorance.

The MOMEMT HEART STOPPED, stop saying rubbish.

So at the point of activation of life for Adam and a Foetus.

Always saying waht he has no knowledge abiut when did this ACTIVATION OF LIFE occur in baby?

What did God gave Adam and a Foetus in the womb to declare them living

- transfer a spirit person

- transfer breath

Yes every Baby in the womb get Breath of life from God without it , it's death.

On the other hand , you claim it's a person, I ask again: Do you admit it means God transferred a Spirit person inside the womb?

That is what I'm saying, so God transferred SPIRIT TO WOMAN IN THE WOMB.

But He didn't TRANSFERRED TO ADAM

God gave every human SPIRIT and that SPIRIT IS A PERSON deal it with, until you proof how inanimate object can have the ability to know THOUGHT.

CAPTIVATOR:



So how could Jesus know something only the Father know if they are not same person? That makes Jesus a LIAR!

If Jesus can't lie, do you agree with him that Only the Father know the day and hour ?

I've explained this times without number, stop going back and forth.

CAPTIVATOR:
The underlined is the Focus. The Baby is Living, for that human in the womb to be living, its a testament to the presence of Spirit. Without which it would be declared Dead. ( James 2:26)[

So, why are people died today IMMEDIATELY THEIR HEART STOPPED?

Remember, you're trying to equate this with Adam, when in fact, Adam was already formed COMPLETELY before.

Well, your analogy is out of point.

What did God gave that baby in the womb to make it living.

- Breath

- Spirit person

God gave every human A SPIRIT and that spirit is a PERSON.

If the spirit is a person, that means God transferred a Spirit person from heaven into the body in the womb to make it alive, right ?

@undrrlined is laughable, so you mean God TRANSFERRED SPIRIT TO ALL BABIES IN THE WOMB including those ENEMIES OF JEHOVAH

CAPTIVATOR:


Matthew 24:36 the son doesn't know the day and hour!!! That simply means he doesn't know all things! only the Father knows.


If Jesus knows all things. By implication Jesus, a perfect person , LIED to the world, that he doesn't know the day and hour , and that only the Father know when there are two that knows ?

Jesus is not you who can lied.

The reason why you can claimed the Apostles MADE MISTAKE in the PRESENCE of Jesus and Jesus didn't correct them.

The point is, Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS. Definitely, it's you who don't understand Jesus.

The Holy spirit also KNOWS GOD'S MIND and the very thought of God.

These are the fact from God's word.

MaxInDHouse:


No one is forcing anything on you just as you can't force anything on me after all there are thousands of different religions claiming they're Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so hold on to whatever you feel is true.

But you can't stop me from preaching what i know is true too it's either you take it or leave it just as you would other religions that doesn't teach the same thing as yours!

Diversion tactics

So you know 1914 is true from your own book.l or where did you get the information from?

CAPTIVATOR:

" oNLY tHe FATHER KNOWS, the son doesn't know " is the Correction!

And that's the point deluded you cannot ever explain and as been jumping around since. If ONLY The Father knows, the Son cannot know and that means the Son doesn't know all things.

But the Son KNOWS ALL THINGS!

Reason why you claimed the Apostles made MISTAKE for your selfish reason.

The correction is in Matthew 24:36 straight from Jesus mouth

No! Come with another lie

achorladey:


We know your you will never have order in your life led to the below....



That your stupid apostate peddling brains brother is yet to respond to the questions given to him and you join your werey peddling brains to it ....



Here is that colossians as captured in your NWT...



Your werey peddling brains said that mystery has no connection with 3 deities you know has to do with the Father, son and holy spirit . You can see your werey peddling brains.



Here is your Kingdom Interlinear. Mystery aka sacred secret has ZERO connection with your God, Jesus and holy spirit in your werey peddling brains

The day majority of Jws will know how damage that their translation NWT has done to their life, is the day they will use stone to scatter all those gods in Warwick

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you but if you're not satisfied there are thousands of religions out there with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines it's not compulsory you accept my own nah!

This was your initial claim.

"Prophetic pronouncement regarding the time Jesus will raise his 144,000 corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17"

I then quoted the same 1 Thess 4:16-17 from your own translation yet you can't point out where:

1. PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE WERE TAKEN UP TO MEET THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED IN CHRIST IN THE AIR. Compare this with your below lie

"So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!"

2. WHO WITNESSED THE TRUMPET THAT WERE SOUNDED AND THE VOICE THAT CALLED THE DEAD OUT FROM THE GRAVE.

Also, you claimed that if Jesus had been ENTHRONED long before 1914, His followers won't be killed anyhow.

How many Jehovah witness Hitler killed or was that happened before 1914?

Is this what you want me to believe against God's word?

CAPTIVATOR:

Ignorance.

That is what you displayed in your post and I'm glad I pointed it out for you to see.

Except the baby in the womb isn't living. Presence of life is a testament to the presence of Spirit.

Now, the BABY IS LIVING WITHOUT HEART at that TIME.

Which means your analogy of BODY WITHOUT SPIRIT is pure nonsense.

What is the Spirit that God gave this Foetus that enable it come to life?

1. A spirit person

2. Breath

God gave EVERY HUMAN SPIRIT and the Spirit is a person reason why scripture says the spirit KNOWS THE THOUGHT

ONLY A PERSON has the ability to know THOUGHT.

If you disagree and believe that INANIMATE OBJECT can KNOW THOUGHT present your fact here.

CAPTIVATOR:

You just open your mouth like it isn't The scriptures also that say the Son doesn't know the day and hour , the scriptures further it more . Only the Father knows the day and hour.

That is the difference between you and I.

Here is the point again.

The same PEOPLE Jesus stood in their presence and said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS, is the same PEOPLE WHO DECLARED IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS (WHO ONCE SAID ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS) that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

The meaning of "ALL THINGS" as used for Jesus was so profound that you and your cohorts CLAIMED THE APOSTLES MADE MISTAKE simply because of you people hatred for the TRUTH.

So, let me repeat the point I've been hammering on your empty skull since.

The Apostles made that statement in the PRESENCE OF Jesus, if there is something wrong with IT, Jesus is the one who is in the right position to CORRECT THEM but alas Jesus went to reinforced what THEY BELIEVED.

Definitely, it's you who FAILED to understand Jesus not Jesus Himself nor His Apostles.

In light of that truth, anyone said to know all things but doesn't know the day nd hour doesn't know all things. To know all things , you should know the day and hour , which the Scriptures clarify the Son doesn't know.

I've colored your delusion, read it again and tell me how it makes sense to you.

You see that area I bolded , it proofs there is only one person in the entire universe who knows all things . The Father.

Is Jesus the Father ?

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

Reason why you and your cohorts made the bold statement that the Apostles MADE MISTAKE.

If that is not an implications to you then no way you can be redeemed from your delusion.

MaxInDHouse:


So you mean they never had any prophecy that will guide them to IDENTIFY the Christ shey?

Well this is what they later asked him when they were processing in their minds what Jesus was doing and what was written in the scriptures.
After the transfiguration and the voice of God {Matthew 17:5} they asked Jesus:

“Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” Matthew 17:10 compare to Malachi 4:5

Were they convinced that he is the Christ due to what he was doing or they were considering prophecies in the scriptures regarding how to IDENTIFY when Christ is around?

Regarding the identity of the Christ John the baptist questioned Jesus credentials despite all the things that happened in connection with him! Matthew 11:2-3

Jesus only sent messengers to remind John of what the scriptures said about Christ's presence! Matthew 11:4-6

So my guy Jesus only FULFILLED what was written in prophets {Matthew 5:17} and just as it has always been only those keeping the prophecies in mind were able discern that the Christ is around back then!

Stylishly dodging his own 1 Thess 4:16-17 because he knows nothing in that verse happened in 1914.

Also, the key point here is WHEN JESUS WAS ENTHRONED as King.

The scripture says that happened long before 1914, so where did you see you own? Back your claim with the scripture!

Very simple!

Even your organization says Jesus is RULING IN THE MIDST OF HIS enemies compare to your first LIE.

MaxInDHouse:
You can continue deceiving yourself because neither the name Jesus nor the date Christ will be born was not found written in the Old Testament but his disciples summed up the prophecies about the Christ and concluded that it all had fulfilment in the life and ministry of Jesus of Nazareth that's how they came to the conclusion that Jesus is the Christ.

Jesus Himself is the one who PROVED to His OWN disciples that he was the coming MESSIAH before Hiw own disciples BELIEVED Him.

Stop lying

We have the Bible in plain English.

In like manner you can't see the date 1914 in any version of the Bible but all the prophecies Jesus foretold about his presence began unfolding in the year 1914! Matthew 24:7-14

It was the very year Jesus began His ministry that He proved to be disciples and MANY are witnesses to it. Not what went in dark and later was referring to.

Show me HOW MANY PEOPLE who testified IN actual year 1914 that Jesus returned exactly how the Angel at ascension openly declared.

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why are you standing here staring into heaven? Jesus has been taken from you into heaven, but someday he will return from heaven in the same way you saw him go!” - Acts 1:11

Of course he was given the authority after finishing his earthly assignment on the torture stake {John 19:30} Just as an elected president is given the mandate the very day he won the election but he must wait until the handover date before he begin changing things that doesn't please him.

ANy small thing, is to be drawing comparison WORLDLY GOVERNMENT they so EVIL AGAINST and Bible truth.

For your info, the person who won election can't be ADDRESSED as PRESIDENT but Jesus was CALLED RULER of kings not THAT WILL BE BECOME RULER.

Jesus waited beside his father in heaven since the first century until the year 1914 before he started taking actions on the things he doesn't want in heaven {Revelations 12:7-9} that's why the earth has been seeing a lot since that time until now because Satan knew very well that Jesus will soon extend his rulership to planet earth! Revelations 12:10-12
So what Paul mentioned in the Bible book of 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 happened in the year 1914 so all the born again Christians who are sleeping in death were taken to heaven that year while the rest of them will join them later once they die!

@color part shows how you can lie openly against God's word.

Here is 1 Thess 4:16-17 again, read @underlined part then compare to your above @color part and see how you lied shamelessly.

"because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

As you can see, you LIED that "...while the rest of them will join them later once they die!" the word of God says "...Afterward we the living who are surviving will, TOGETHER WITH THEM, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."

So people who have died will be resurrected first and the people ALIVE WILL JOIN THEM IN THE AIR this is how your own translation put it yet you still have gut to twist plain text.

achorladey:
The beginning of the letter.....



Dear Elders,

We are making this public statement because certain circumstances among Jehovah's Witnesses have become unacceptable to us. Even if our family has fortunately not yet been affected by it, child abuse is more than just "serious wrongdoing" or a "spiritual sickness". It cannot simply be repented of and "handled" by talking to elders who have no psychological training whatsoever. Pedophilia is a serious mental disorder. The main issue is not whether the perpetrator can be forgiven or not, but whether further cases can be prevented. It is unacceptable for the protection of offenders to take precedence over the protection of victims and for the "privacy" of a potential offender to outweigh the welfare of children. In such cases, elders must not be "primarily concerned with maintaining the sanctity of God’s name", as if HE could not do that Himself. Instead, they should attend to their duties for the good of the flock (1 Pe. 5:2, 1 Tim. 6:20). "The responsibility to protect children from harm" cannot simply be shifted to "the parents" alone (for quotes see w19 May, pp. 8-13).

It is common knowledge that child abuse hardly ever happens in the presence of other witnesses, and it is also obvious that the biblical two-witness rule was never intended for such cases. Nevertheless, it is still used today as an explanation as to why elders do not pass on the names of perpetrators to the authorities or make them known in the congregation. There are indeed biblical principles that come much closer to the facts of the case and do not require two witnesses (Deut. 22:23-27, Ex. 21:29).

The cases of abuse in churches are extensively denounced in our publications. However, not a word is said about the cases in our own ranks. In contrast to the churches, Jehovah's Witnesses have not commissioned any independent studies to investigate the cases. While the Pope has publicly apologized for the suffering caused, nothing of the sort has happened on the part of the governing body. The fines totaling millions have been concealed from the members.

In 2015, it became known that the Australian branch of Jehovah's Witnesses had records of alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse. This information became part of a major government commission of enquiry. The findings of the Australian Royal Commission (ARC) are staggering:

At least 1,800 victims, 1,006 perpetrators and 579 confessions. 28 people were appointed as elders or ministerial assistants despite the allegations. Nevertheless, the commission concluded that NOT A SINGLE CASE was reported to the authorities. Elders were even instructed by the legal department of the branch office to destroy records that could have been used as evidence. The final report sharply criticized the lack of transparency and the existing structures at Jehovah's Witnesses. (Royal Commission: "Case Study 29: Jehovah's Witnesses". See under "Submission" the document "Submissions on behalf of Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia", pp. 20-22, sections 2.1 and 2.2)

However, the Governing Body subsequently refused to publicly apologize to the victims and to pay into the Australian National Redress Scheme for victims of abuse. While over 500 organizations had already contributed to this fund, six were publicly reprimanded by the Australian government for refusing to do so, including Jehovah's Witnesses. It was only when the government threatened to withdraw their charitable status that the organization relented.

But although even Geoffrey Jackson of the Governing Body testified under oath before the Commission and the videos of this were made available to everyone by the authorities, the Governing Body does not say a word about this in its monthly broadcasts, so that hardly any Jehovah's Witnesses are likely to be aware of these abuses. Instead, JW Broadcasting prefers to report on bushfires under the keyword "Australia". After the scandal became public, the Watchtower immediately called on the faithful: "Loyally support the leadership (...) when faced with what appear to be damaging attacks by apostates or other such deceivers of the mind​ - however plausible their charges may seem. " (w17 July, p. 30). The charges are indeed very serious. However, the judges of the Royal Commission are certainly not deceivers. But instead of endeavoring to clarify the situation, the legal department prefers to sue victims' associations, as recently happened in Spain (AEVTJ, Madrid).

Like I always say, Watchtower can only deceive innocent people and those who really don't know to them to the core.

This part you're dodging won't be left out just like that.

You made this claim: [quote

=MaxInDHouse]Prophetic pronouncement regarding the time Jesus will raise his 144,000 corulers {1Thessalonians 4:16-17}[/quote]

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

MaxInDHouse:
I am not disputing what Jesus said here but the meaning is what i think you don't get because if Jesus is the King of kings and you think he became the King of kings right after his resurrection then it shouldn't be difficult for you to explain who are this kings that Jesus was ruling over them since the kings of the world back then were killing his disciples.
Of course he can't be kings over those who are killing his disciples nah!

Because the scriptures say he rules over those under his domain!

The fact from the scripture is that, Jesus already a KING long before 1914!

Provide the scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED in 1914.

MaxInDHouse:
So how many posts has he dropped on this thread afterwards?

That was because he decided to stop, not because of your post.

Aemmyjah:



Speak up or you're a liar

Where did Paul call the true God a mysterious God?

If you dnt show me, you're a liar

Paul pictured that relationship between husband and wife as that of Christ and Church guess what he called it, A GREAT MYSTERY.

He also talk about Mystery of God.

So, look for your Bible and find those word, if they are not there.

Then let me know.

MaxInDHouse:


Well i think he did!

No!

When you can't even listen your own self.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus having all the powers both in heaven and on earth is what we need to figure out because the kings of the earth were attacking and killing his witnesses back then after his resurrection!

All power in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN not that IT WILL BE GIVING TO ME

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

You cited the above scripture.

Who were the kings that Jesus was ruling over after his resurrection?
That's the question!

The whole heavens and earth.

Jesus is the RULER of Kings long before 1914.

So you lied that Jesus was enthroned in 1914.

If you're not lying, provide the verse let's see.

MaxInDHouse:


I am talking to my own brother in the faith!

Did your deluded brother listen to you?

When he knows you're not in the right place for that advice because you wasted your times away than him.

MaxInDHouse:


If what he said there is exactly what you think then why did the scriptures say he returned to the heavens only to keep waiting for instructions from his father? Psalms 110:1
Why do the kings of the earth (after his resurrection) refused to OBEY him but killing those witnessing for him?

So Jesus lied to His disciples that ALL POWER JAS BEEN GIVEN TO HIM In heaven and on earth....

That's nice.

I've already clarified that with Paul statement.

Besides, you didn't address 1 Thess 4:16-17 you quoted earlier.

Is this what actually happened in 1914?

This is what 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord." - NWT

Should i take your second answer as a sign that you don't know the kings over whom Jesus is to rule as King?

Jesus is RULER of Kings long before 1914.

I've provided the Bible verse to support my point.

Now, provide your own scripture where Jesus was said to be ENTHRONED IN YEAR 1914.

Aemmyjah:
Where did Paul describe God as a mysterious God?
Did you see in Bible or Papa told you?

the screenshot by @achorladey has exposed you people the more.

See the way Watchtower is using common English language to play with your salvation.

IG God can't be FULLY KNOWN or UNDERSTOOD is that not the meaning of MYSTERY?

Check dictionary meaning of mystery and compare it what the lie your organization put forth in that screenshot.

CAPTIVATOR:
That is the knitting together stage, he did same for Adam from the dust of the ground.

That means your point body without spirit is useless.

"You [God] made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb " Psalm 139:13

God gave what he knit together Spirit , which is ?

1. - Breath of life

2. A spirit person transferred

So God sat with a woman and was doing all this with His own hand during pregnancy bah..

Too many dull post

CAPTIVATOR:

" only" is written there. The above is saying Jesus lied when he said only the Father when others also know.


Is Jesus the Father ?

Is Holy spirit the Father ?

And the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

If you're not a manipulative person.

Why did you say the Apostles made MISTAKE for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS?

That was because you quite know what it means to KNOW ALL THINGS.

Aemmyjah:
He was teaching people to worship a God he did not understand?

Now you're changing mouth.

Was it about understanding or God being a MYSTERY?

Where did he call him a mysterious God?

The word MYSTERY as translated appeared more than 5 times which include Christ, God e.t.c

Search for that key word and stop being spoonfed all the time.

MaxInDHouse:
When did he began ruling over Kings?

Immediately after the resurrection, reason why he said "ALL POWER has been given to Him both in heavens and on earth"

Who are the kings over whom he ruled as King?

YOUR GOVERNING BODY

CAPTIVATOR:


God gave Spirit to man at what point ?

" Body without spirit is dead"

This means that Baby in the womb needed Spirit to come alive, So the question is what did God gave that body in the womb or Adam at creation to come alive.

1. A spirit person ( Since spirit is a person)

2. Breath [ a force of life]

Your ignorance is very glaring.

So you believe God BREATH IN EVERY WOMAN WOMB anytime they get pregnant.

Including those you consider ENEMIES OF GOD

This is very laughable.



Medically, when a baby is forming in the womb the body and brain have formed to certain level before HEART formed, even before heart formed, can we say the baby is dead?

So your body without SPIRIT shows you don't understand what you're comparing with each other.

The fact remains, human spirit is A PERSON because the SPIRIT KNOWS THE THOUGHT.

First proof me wrong that inanimate object can know THOUGHT.

CAPTIVATOR:


Jesus said ' Only the Father know the day and hour '

Is Jesus the Father ? Die He lied ?

And the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

The scripture also said the Holy spirit KNOWS THE THOUGHT of God.

Aemmyjah:


Go and worship your mysterious god

We worship who we know John 4:22

So Apostle Paul is also worshipping a MYSTERIOUS GOD.

OR you didn't read that part from him.