authhor=hopefulLandlord post=51239292] Hardmirror created the thread https://www.nairaland.com/3078223/pastor-atheist-why-never-christian on April 30 2016 which details his journey from being a pastor who performed miracles to atheism and right now has a total of 43,624 Views

Young man stop trying to make a case on the affirmative for that fraud of a fella.



As there is no serious minded Christian that has a living relationship with God that will ever take that guy serious; as the op of that thread is riddled with so many spurious claims, inconsistencies and even theological blunders.



I certainly do not have the time and energy to engage myself in the tedium of going through that thread that is presently 50+ pages to pinpoint his many lies.



So hopefulLandlord, just be rest assured that, that thread of his was specifically desinged to rattle and unsettle "baby" and unserious Christians.



If you are in doubt about my position then check out @ the bolded. This is a fella that claimed to have performed miracles when he was a Christian, yet he cannot tell us the miracles he performed. What do you call such a person? A liar and fraud.



So creating this thread to insinuate that Christians called him a liar without being able to show him to be one is totally incorrect.



If you feel i'm the one lying, then please kindly supply us with the miracles that he purportedly performed from his claims in that thread. Or better still, you can give him the grand honour to do that.



On a final note i will reitirate my previous stance in that thread, and it is this - hardmirror was a young Christian, who wasn't grounded in God's word. And in his zeal for God, he stumbled over stuffs that the average Christian stumbles over himself, gets up and dust himself because he or she has the word of God in them and are humble and obedient and they trust the LORD to come through for them in such trying period and He does without fail in his own time and manner.



But in hardmirror's case, instead of humbly trusting in the LORD, by reaching out in faith to Him, he became proud and conceited, wanting to challenge God's authority by applying banal LOGIC, that is eternally doomed to fail and kept wallowing in that place of defeat that finally marked to be the beginning of the end in his journey with God. What a pathetic place to find yourself in.



Let me stop here biko, there is so much to be said but of what use is it.



@ HopefulLandord, if you will heed my advice, i'll counsel you cool down for God you creator. Atheism is an INTELLECTUAL FRAUD.

LightandDarkness:


See I disagree, it is infact possible to be a good person with a good life outside Christian.

Very correct. You don't have to be a Christian to be a good person.

It is infact possible to be a good person with a good life outside Christian by "God" or anyone's standard.

I disagree @ the bolded, that's fallacy of false equivalence. As you are trying to describe a situation of logical and apparent equivalence, when in fact there is non.



This is simply a logical impossibility if we take into account the definition and concept of God. Simply put, he is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. The eternal self existing supreme being that created time and space and the entire universe and everything therein.



Now with this definition, tell me, how is it possible for a mortal being of your nature with frail human composition and limited sense of judgement on what is universally true and moral, to have a moral standard that equates that of God.



For this to happen it is either you are God or you have an absolute sense of what is universally true and morally rigth and wrong. Of course we know you ain't got any of these.



Also, to dissapoint you a little, God is not a moral God but a righteous God. Simply put, morality is a concept of human construct. It is a sub set within God's law of what is rigth or wrong.



To elucidiate, someone may be entangled with a particular bad habit e.g, being a kleptomaniac. Now on face value moral guage, this is an obvious moral lapse by all standard. But are you aware that such a one might actually pass God's guage of (moral) rectitude? While on our own human judgement such a person can only be such a social despicable oddity.



Now the following reason will suffice for while such character flaw may be condoned by God.

If the person in question always feels remorsed from his or her heart of heart and is making sincere and committed effort in breaking loose from this moral flaw. This condition holds true for the Christian person and any non Christian who for whatever reason has never heard the message of salvation found only in Christ.


Two similar but sligtly different examples in the Bible of God's sense of moral judgement differing from that of man can be found in the story of Lot and his two daugthers and also Judah and his daugther in-law.


The reason for this response, is to show you and other Atheists that God sense of judgement on right and wrong may be diametrically opposed to that of man.



Therefore no matter how morally right you guys may seemingly claim to be in your own limited sense of morality, it can never measure to that of God. Hence you guys should quit your futile effort in tryiny to analysize and box God in within your limited and skewed moral compass.

Religion doesn't and will nevery make a bad person good unless they want to be.

You are both right and wrong.



Right in the sense that there must first be a willing and sincere heart desiring for a change in a positve way.



And wrong for your circular reasoning in inferring that religion itself doesn't and will never make a bad person good. As there are countless individauls who where only able to right their moral flaws only when they came in contact with certain religion with particular moral code that gave them a new sense of moral compass.



The Op himself is a living evidence for you. He has manifestly made it clear that he led a terrible lifestyle and couldn't turn around not untill he found Christ, the king of glory and not just him but myself and many others.

Interestingly I see Christians consistently fail to live up to that God's standard of morality, lying fornicating murdering etc and the only reason why they think it's not wrong per second is that all they have to do is ask for forgiveness.

Firstly, you will be wrong to think that the only reason some of them fail to live a consistent Christian life is because all they have to do is ask for forgiveness, after the Bible clearly teaches in the book of,,

1 John 3:9 -whosover is born of God does not commit[make a practice of] of sin; for his seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God



So any Christian who after reading this, then thinks he or she can keep perpetuating a life of sinfulness without any sincere and determined effort to correct it is only living a life of self delusion and there are plethoral of scriptures in the Bible admonishing us to desist and abstain from any appearance of evil.


And that those who draw back to a life of sinfulness will not inherit the kingdom of God.



Even apostle Paul got up talks of how he disciplines his body and puts it in check so that wont be a cast away after he might must have finished preaching to others.

AgricSalt:


Actually the bible didn't say the universe is 6000 years old. It merely says the universe was created "in the beginning".

Secondly, the "six days" mentioned in Genesis is not six days of creating the universe but six days of creating the earth.

Thirdly, the six days are not literal 24 hour days but a breakage of major creative events, probably spanning millions of years. Even the whole "six days" were referred to as "the day" in chapter two. That's why the restive "seventh day" was said to be still on going while Jesus walked the earth. And still on going now.

God bless you.

micodon:

The problem with most Christians is that they take things too literal. When the Bible says God created the earth and everything in 6 days, it most definitely wasnt talking about 6 24 hour periods. E.g God said Adam would die IN THE DAY that he eats from the the tree. Did Adam die that day(even though he lived for 930 years)? YES. Because, At 2 Peter 3:8, The Bible says that A THOUSAND YEARS is like a Day For God (Take Note). Somewhere at Numbers, God calculated his day as thus: A DAY FOR A YEAR. My Point is, God chooses his own timescale...So we can not rightly do OUR OWN CALCULATIONS and say that the earth is 6000 years old.
Again, there are factors that the Bible didnt give. Stuff Like, were there TIME INTERVALS BETWEEN the creative days?
Consider: Office Workers usually work for 5 days a week, 20 days a month. But, how many days are there in a month? 30. The other 10 days are TIME INTERVALS between workdays. The Bible gives no indication as to whether the 6 days were consecutive.
So, Lets say the first Creative Day was a thousand years long. how much time was inbetween the first Creative day and the second? A thousand? Two thousand? Ten Million? or None At all? The Bible does not say....Therefore, it'll be naive to say the earth is 6000 years old based on literal interpretations of the Bible without having all the facts. The Earth may be 4.5 Billion years old...The Bible does not argue that...
Dont Misinterpret/MisQuote The Bible...Cheers

And you too.

Owliver:
let me ask you one more time..

in Genesis God created Adam and had no earlier intention to create eve(as narrated). now what was the use of Adan's d1ck since eve was not in the picture earlier. or was there no d1ck? what do you think?

the question makes sense to me.

Bruh, cool down nah! I want to believe you asked this question from a sincere heart to learn. And that is the reason i've bothered myself to reply you.


Now in answering your question, the obvious thing here that gave rise to your question is actually your poor understanding of the scripture,(please no insult intended) just as you have infered that - from the creation narrative God had no intention of creating Eve.


But a careful perusing of the Bible actually proved otherwise as seen here in,,,,

Gen 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;male and female created he them.

28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the face of the earth, and subdue it,......KJV.

From the above portion of the scripture it is clear that God had every intention from the beginning to create them male and female.


I know you probably got your idea from the narratives in chapter 2, about God saying it is not good for the man to be alone. But this does not in any way negate the fact that God originally intended to have them male and female as shown in the scripture above.


Shalom.

ifenes:


The bible is fake

Produce the original or forever remain F.O.O.L.

.

sukkot come and continue with your esoteric revelation, they are quite interesting.

Owliver:
simple. adopt the taquiya and use it on them. kiss the Quran and swear to become one of them. it's just survival. nothing else

Choi!......baaaaad guy.

JackBizzle:



After all the violence I have been seeing in Nigeria...I Don dey sleep with gun.

Make rilwayne try anything. I go send am back to Allah WHom he can be sharing taquiyah with.

Lwkmd.............guy, you funny with dis ur response.


But on a more serious note, lets assume you are outnumbered, sincerely, what will you do?

mrZENographer:
Atheists are known to always ask christians for logical reasoning. No matter the reasons, scientific facts, historical facts, widespread NDEs, evidences provided ,they always brish it with a shaking of the head. On their part, they hardly can give any logical reasoning but to keep giving stupid responses like skydaddies and zeus .... because that's all what is in their bookshelves, COMICS and Evolution storybooks.

It is a fact that atheists are possessed with evil spirit because no psychologically sane human being can insult his creator and resist EVERY sympathic plea and wisdom directed to him. For those who don't know, atheists held a so- called largest atheist gathering to worship man in an anti-God protest a few day back. And it's just making sense why the atheists will be the first ones to embrace the PROPHESIED antichrist, of which those that can see, know is about to manifest.

To my christian brothers, sanctify yourselves. This is the end time. You don't knw when your Lord doth come. Be raptureready. The ungodly will deal with any left behind christians.

Bro, you are 100% correct. This is an undiluted Biblical truth.

And the Atheist can come here, like they are already doing and utter all sort of gibberish but it wont change the fact/truth you just posited here.

Remain blessed.

KingEbukasBlog:


The Scamvolution theory

Hehehe!


Scamvolution+Evilution theory.

KingEbukasBlog:
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Decker , you ain't free , rather you are a slave to the will of the devil whatever the bible says is true .

Bro, u dey vex dis days ooO! With d kind strong hand wey u dey take follow dis folks..............i dey feel u dieeeee.

johnydon22:


Hahahahaha more insults and frustrated rants... I love this, seems like i really hit where it hurts..



Get ready bro, more articles like this are coming.. You go throw insults tire

Hehehe,,......yeye guy, na you go tire.

I neva finish with you and your ilks, when i dey through with una, na you go literally dey beg me make i stop.

On a lighter note,,,....how far na??

johnydon22:


You see someone venting the word "trash trash trash" like its rap music and you expect to have a good sensible discussion with such a person?

Lmao bad idea.

That'd be a total waste of precious time and intellectual morsels.

Yeah! But when you were getting the "good", "very correct" at the beginning, it sure sounded like someone you weren't gonna get sensible discussion with.

Prof, go siddon joor.

All i see here is an overated local champion hemorrhaging badly intellectually.

Immorttal:
was trying to call you to order to focuse on the thread.A qualitative arguement was going on prior to your irrational hostility.

My brother i appreciate your civility and my apology to you for the ad hominem.


You can check my first post on this thread and my post history, i'm not like these, but these folks here have pushed me to the wall and henceforth i'll be giving them a dose of their own medicine.

I see Atheist's as intelligent beings who refrain from unmeaning name callings. *bows out*

Please, it would be an unintelligent thing for you to act as a mouth piece for all Atheist on a matter like this.

They are really not what they are cracked up to be.

dblackninja:


This got me laughing. Have you been a trash master before?

Guess you are the trash slave,

You cancelled the OP, please in a summary what does the word faith imply,

Master of selective blindness, i'm pretty sure you didn't see my first post. Go read it through and help yourself.

and what do you mean by giving a life to christ??

When you pass your sojourn on Earth here without recieving him, you will find out the meaning.

Immorttal:
your comments are littered with hate speech and derogatory remarks indirectly inviting unecessary abuse. You are a supposed christian right?

Sanctimonious b*st*rd. Stop playing the victims card.

I guess it is the Atheist that has got an exclusive right in employing and hauling vitrolics and all sort of caustic descriptors at my God, the Bible, Christians and Christianity at large. Why we Christians sit on our hands and watch you guy have fun. Pele.

E just dey start, na go hear am.

ValentineMary:

U earlier said faith prompts a vision/understanding of something yet unseen right? can't this be based on one's imagination
Faith is the act of filling up ur ignorance with an imaginary thing against all other evidence. How can this be a virtue? it is rather an intellectual vice.

How can we be certain of God's existence rather than just having faith that he is omnipotent, omnipresent and. perfect when even his holy books contradicts these properties

Trash.

Another dumb question and reasoning from them perennial atheists retaaaaards. The self professing free poo thinkers.

I had effortlessly debunked the Op for its DNAed "definist fallacy", then comes another cloned "Bimbo" regurgitating the same fallacies all over.

And what?? You actually expect me to start arguing with you back and forth on what faith is and is not. After i had succintly explained what faith is from a Christian/scriptural perspective.

Quoting from the Bible to give a scriptural definition of it and even paraphrasing it in laymans language for any would be reader to understand.

Then it is obvios that you are suffering from chronic low comprehension disorder,,........like i was even expecting any of them pillock to have a grasp of it in the first place.

And to even think that you had the temerity to come up with that lame and infantile piffle of the bible contradicting Gods constituent nature,,,,leele, so i should start engaging a harbinger of terminnal cognitive distortion on a mundane merry-go-round about whether God is good/perfect.....then they will come up with their demonic customized line,,,......if God is good/perfect/all powerful,,... why are so many destitute children dying in hunger all over the world,,....why didn't he stop the tsunami catastrophe in Asia,,,...why will he burn his creation in hell for not worshiping him, after he gave them free will,,...bla,,bla,..bla,...why did he allow buhari to come to power,,,why did he allow nepa to take light,,,bla,,,,,......bla,....mtcheeeeeeew!

Pack go one side joor, i get more important thing to do, than to come engage d*ck head of your type.

ValentineMary:

Once u said "Faith is a virtue" I knew u were going to spill trash.

You will do well to explain yourself. Rather than this lean and dry intellectual muscle flexing from you.

[s]

johnydon22:


Imagine what a world of unparalleled ignorance ours would be if we relied on Faith for our study and deductions of things that are.

We would only be swimming in total ignorance, a blind conformity to speculations and emotional convictions.

When there is evidence of a given idea nobody needs faith to believe, you and i do not believe there is a star shinning 8light minutes beside us, No we do not believe that we need not employ faith to believe it rather We know of it

So faith as a concept only is employed when someone is not sure but none the less maintains the subject of believe to be true.

which in essence is both dishonest and blind and cannot be a trusted means of deduction since it blinds certainty and directly or indirectly upholds dishonesty.

Virtue or Lunacy

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.

I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show of insanity when when propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true

If we relied on faith then everything actually can be.

-You can believe in God(s) by faith
-You can believe in Unicorns by faith
-You can believe in a diamond dog pig by faith
-Or a talking donkey
-flying horse or anything at all your mind can conceive but here is the plain truth.

Having a faith that something is does not make it true, your faith no matter how strong cannot, does not and will never make something true, not even probably true, it only shows you hold on to the conviction whether it is true or not

Such positions is not a virtue but rather a mark of dishonesty.

And such concepts as having a stoic conviction in the absence of evidence should not be celebrated in a 21st century marked in history by outstanding rate of scientific breakthroughs and information.

It is an enemy to the intellectual evolution of our species therefore can be regarded a dangerous factor.

How can one study to empirically ascertain the cause of thunder when he already believes by Faith that sango causes it?

He absolutely cannot since he already thinks he has an answer, even though uncertain his profession of faith in his answer makes him feel that there is certainty in that uncertainty therefore a probe to the actual eventuality is irrelevant and unneeded.

So Faith employed in our deductions will mar our ability to ascertain what is true whilst keeping us in a sheepish agreement to what we feel or want to be true

Faith and God(s)

The idea of God(s) and Faith has always being like a man and wife, every belief system in this world professes a conviction in a certain God or Gods by an act of Faith.[/s]

Gargantuan heap of trash.

Root cause:

Definist Fallacy.

Solution:

- The lot of you Atheist here should go and give you life to Christ and stop deceiving yourselves.


Next,,.......

To begin with, please if it is possible always try to make your Op as brief and concise as possible. This long epistle of yours always get me bored and discouraged to want to read through and respond to your critique of biblical issues. What?? For heaven sake is this a scholary/academic piece for a masters or Phd programm.

johnydon22:
Faith is a very popular word used everyday in our society, there are many context by which this word is injected but the most popular being the Religious context …

The English Dictionary defines Faith as A feeling or conviction that something is true without having any empirical evidence for it

In the religious sense : Professed faith is the basis of every religion, belief system or belief class.

very correct.

Is this profession of Faith a Virtue or Lunacy?

There is a difference between "Knowing" (certainty) and "belief" (faith"

When something is proven directly in the empirical sense it leaves the realm of opinion, it becomes a FACT and you have no need to believe it rather you are certain of it.

But when something is unproven in the empirical sense there is need for "Faith" to be exercised to believe such proposal.

Good.

In a way Faith deals with emotion which drives the conviction to be stuck to whether it is true or not.

Very wrong.

Definist fallacy at play here.

From what you just implied, it is obvious that you've got a very poor understanding of what the concept of faith entails and also you ended up contradicting your definition of faith ab initio.

Now let me help you out with what faith is, seeing you are a carnal man untrained on the issues of faith, hence an impostor trying to occupy a position of authority on an issue, that he is nothing but a charlatan.

Just so you know, in christianity, faith is a virtue that is employed by man to access a distinct realm of life that transcends his natural world. A virtue that is anchored on a belief in a supreme/divine being who is Omniscient,Omnipresent and Omnipotent. The essence of being, he in whom the whole essence of life, seeing and unseeing is contained in.

Now the above inference, is a preamble designed to set the tone for you to understand the unnatural/unseen, mechanics/element that is responsible for the impelling and impestus that drives the Christian man to want to reach out to the realm that is beyond his natural world. This element is the constituent nature of the afformentioned being. Seeing he has the capacity/capability to do for man things, that man naturally may not be able to do for himself.

Having layed this foundation, let now define faith from a Christian/Scriptural perspective.

Heb 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - KJV.

In laymans language this scriptural definition of faith can be simply rephrased as,,,,,...

- Being sure of things we are hoping or expecting from God with a sense of certainity that, though we can't see those things yet with our physical eye, yet they exist and are real because our God has the capability and capacity to bring them about just as he has promised.

So Johnydon get it, faith in Christian perspective means taking God by his word and being rest assured that he(God) will play his own part by bringing about those things that he has promised.

So finally faith is not about an emotion, which drives the conviction to be stuck whether it is true or not as you have erroneuosly purported.

Is Faith a trustable means of deduction?

This is a "NO"

Because faith is directly an admittance of uncertainty, an admittance of empirical blindness.

Hogwash. Definist fallacy as usual.

Secondly, faith is not a virtue for deductive reasoning, but rather it is designed for accessing the spiritual nebulous. Hence, a fallacy of inconsistent comparision on your part.

Imagine if scientific study worked with Faith: I cannot determine what causes these hurricanes but i believe it is the sea getting angry, i believe it by faith and i believe it's true"

Trash.

Fallacy of false analogy/misleading vividness.

Anyone engaging in such deductive reasoning is only embarking on a journey of Tom Foolery and self inflicted ignorance.

As earlier said, faith is not a tool for investigating the natural world but rather the spiritual realm.

Richirich713:


1. There is one God
2. God is 3 co-existing eternal persons.
3. Each person is fully God.

Hmmm! It couldn't have been more succinctly put. This is the A,B,C of the doctrine of Trinity.

Hehehe, let me advance it a little bit,

TRINITY, simply means one eternal Godhead{supreme being} who has chosen to manifest or reveal himself in 3 seperate/distinct persons or being in the form of the, FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. These three persons or individual if i my use the word, are distinct and seperate from each other but all 3 are of the same substance(divine nature) and collectively they make up the eternal Godhead.

Though the term "trinity" is not found in the Bible, however, this does not in any way negate the fact that the teaching/doctrine is highly scriptural as there are a plethoral of verses in the scripture from the Old Testament through to the New, that supports and prove the validity of this doctrine.

It would certainly be a puerile/effort in futility trying to engage JW's, Unitarians, Atheists and their likes on this forum on such a delicate issue as these, as experience has once shown me. No matter how much scripture you bring forth to buttress and uphold your view, they will keep regurgitating the same dumb and silly position they are wont in doing.

So my advice, let them alone as this issue is a deep spiritual truth that cannot be grasped by an unregenarate/uncirumcised human heart.

Shallom.

Gombs:
Thank you Oh my father, for giving me your son, and leaving your spirit till your work on earth is done.

Amen

God bless you for this song.

sylvalord:
[b]It's been a long time coming! I was a christian before i began to see the numerous shortcomings of the supposedly infallible BIBLE. After noticing these shortcomings, the self-contradiction, the implausible events like the sun(a static object)being commanded to stand still(buhahahaha! sorry, i just had to laugh there) and also the evil pepetrated by the god of the bible i began to seek more answers. I discovered that the bible is just a copy and paste(an amateurish one at that)of the torah, the sumerian tablets and some other mythological writtings. I have discovered that the driving factor of christianity is fear! Fear of hell and fear of the unknown. Also fear of a father figure according to sigmund freud. The numerous unanswered questions about the universe have forced men to come to believe in the existence of supernatural beings whose existence cannot be fathomed. I have been on the bridge of agnostism for a long time and after so much research and findings, i have discovered religion is a sham and now i have crossed over to the land of atheism. Some deluded folks might say my soul is lost; OH WELL, CEST LA VIE! ATLEAST FINALLY I AM FREE!!![/b]

Wow! This is beautiful. What an interesting discovery you just made.

God really bless you and hope you have a swell time enjoying your new found freedom while it last.

[size=21pt]Jesus Is Lord![/size]

jiggaz:
Bravo... nice write up.

Thanks bro, as Christians we shouldn't lose faith because of current scientific breakthrough which is been falsefully waved before us by some of the atheistic scientific community as a prove to disprove the existence of God.

They are all hogwash. Just be rest assured that our God and father is on top of the situation.

No shaking, remain blessed.

jiggaz:
Alright. But i don't think it will happen though.... if Christ tarries, they might try to achieve that but God wont allow that. Remember what happened at the Tower of Babel.... All these things point to the fact that the Rapture is sooo near and also the Second Coming of Christ is around the corner.

My brother/other beloved brethren that might stumble into this piece of information, i just want to use this opportunity to encourage every one of us to be stedfast in the Lord and not be shaken in mind or faith by this futuristic android humanoid that man is trying to develop.

The fact is simple, mortality cannot and can never create immortality - you can't give what you don't have. Immortality can only be found in God our father and our blessed saviour Christ Jesus. As the scripture also manifestly declares in

2 Timothy 1:10 - But is now made manisfest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, [size=20pt]who hath abolished death and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel[/size]

The quiddity of my yarn is, a mortal man cannot produce or create an immortal being/thing. Only God who is immortal can and he has already done that by:

1 - creating the human spirit to be immortal.

2 - making immortality available to man through Christ Jesus. As the scripture above clearly shows.

And i'm saying it to you that the generation of Christians that shall witness the rapture will experience this life of immortality that these slowpoke atheist scientist are ungloriously striving to achieve.

Mind you, when i say these generation of Christians shall experience this life of immortality in these our destructible human body i'm not just alluding to the rapture, yes every Christian who awaits the seconding coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shall be raptured but these life of immortality i'm painting here is an encompassing/transcedent christian life of victory over death in this our mortal body.

Yes some Christians shall be so spiritually developed that they shall function in this realm. Take note again, not all Christian shall experience this trancending life of immortality within this body of mortality, many Christian shall still die to rest with the Lord while awaiting the rapture but some few Christians shall attain to this knowledge of immortality/power over death in this mortal body. Let me stop here 'cos this particular teaching are spiritual meat and are not designed for babes in Christ.

But the Christians in China are against it though.

Well, if their faith can't handle it then i quite understand their situation. However if there is any statutory means that they can use to forestall such then they should go on with it and if there is none then there is nothing much they can do.

Like i said ealier, why bother yourself that scientist want to create an android human. Lol, they can only create a replica and not original. Whatever they want to create can never be immortal because it is destrustible. As long as it can be destroyed then it cannot be immortal.

Mortality cannot create immortality. Only immortality can.
Even if they come close to scientifically re-engineer the human cell from dying which in turn will keep the human body from dying, though i doubt if they can achieve such feat, yet our God is not asleep as he will definitely show up and remember the angels in Genesis that tried to corrupt the human race through copulation. And like you said the rapture is at hand and the end of the world has come upon us. Lol, does this ring a bell to you about the rise of atheism in our day and time?

One Russian Billionaire is also trying to create an Immortal Android Man by 2045.... and they are now in the process. They said they might finish it by 2035 or there about and will extend it to the world by 2045. The End Of Age is near, that i am very sure.

My brother, come on, let him bring it on.

agbangam:



My brother abeg oo, I don laff tire. "Our Oyel"
Very naughty set of pple.. Na Our Oyel dem only sabi.. "Our Oyel". Lol

Bro, if my ribs break na una go carry me go hospital ooOh, with this una "Our Oyel" wey una dey shout.












Our Oyeeeeeeeeeeel oo0h! lol.

Image123:


i like this, you are actually attempting a logical analysis, a miracle is on the way here. It is very rare with the atheists on this forum.
Now, an analogy does not mean the same thing must apply for every aspect. Analogy deals with things being similar in SOME way(s), not in EVERY way. i could as well use an analogy with a prison, or a school. Sometimes analogies are done of people using plants and animals. The point of the analogy i made was that every sick person is attended to in the hospital, they don't say your sickness is too small, bring only HIV people or Kidney failure. In hell, it is not only big sinners that are there or that will be sent there, all sinners will be sent there. All sick people are sent to the doctor. All criminals are sent to prison if convicted, even though they have different levels of crime. All students go to school whether PhD or kindergarten. etc.
Your summary is poor and unfounded. In hell, they don't all get the same treatment. The pain of an headache is different from the pain of a crushed fermur or the pain of a sorethroat or the pain of a failed kidney. There are different degrees of pain in hell. i hope this analogy will be easier for you to understand.

Once again, God bless you for every post here. I'm really impressed at the way you are tutoring the atheist here with far more superior wisdom.


And i'm watching them scrambling to match you and of course they can try for eternity, but they will never be able to match you 'cos your wisdom is of a divine source.

Pls keep tutoring them, while we hope and pray that those shrivelled brain of theirs could be livened and be able to recieve common sense.

NiRfreak:
Understanding that story doesn't require rocket science. If your deduction after reading the story is that: " he believes in God while writing the narrative", then there's no point waisting my time with you......done.

You are pathetic and your over burdened sense of high intelligence is irritating to say the least.

How could you quote me, only to come up with such cheap and tawdry accussation of me thinking that he still believed in God while writing those narratives of his experience as a former Christian.

- When the title of the OP, had given him away as a former pastor but now an Atheist, am i that daft not to be able to put 1 and 2 together.

- When my post was replete with sarcasm for his new found religious persuasion, are you that daft and slow on the up take, not to be able to pick that out.

Is this not the drivel of my questions, - that if those claims of miracles were true, and now he is trying so hard albeit in an unconvincing fashion, to explain away the God/divine factor; then what scientiffic rational has he got to validate the plausibility of his claims, that those miracles were wrought by mere human natural ability.

Young man don't get me inclined to believe that you are probably suffering from poor/low comprehesion disorder. Don't bother to quote me 'cos your case is looking like an irredeemable one and be dead sure i wont dignify you with further relpy.

analice107:

Am very find my brother, how are you?

I'm doing good ooO. The Lord has been gracious to his servant.

Its been awhile. You have not been in Church (thread) for some time now. pls lets keep the fire burning.

My sister at times we just get busy with the other side of things{ministry n biz}, but whenever i'm less engaged be sure say i go show for church naw.

And about this my son, what can i do? Its my responsibility to see him grow strong on a very firm foundation. You know how kids are, especially when they know mommy loves them. We'll get there.

Gbaam! Your head dey there.

When he grows up very responsible now, his father will stand to take all the glory

Dat one too sure, our Baba no dey come last for dat one. May his name be blessed for ever more.

Nothing do you my sister, take good care and God bless.

analice107:

My Son i love you. really, i do. You wont understand it now, when you grow older, you will understand. Am your Mom, and like every mom, i want only the best for you. Remember how many nights i stayed up making sure you slept? Am ready to give anything to see you succeed and be the best that you can be.
Son, If i discipline you, its not becos i hate you, actually, if i fail to chastise you now, you'll blame me later.
Remember, am your mom, and mothers loves their sons the most. I have been around long before you came, i know where there are snares, hidden out of sight to ensnare you, i know where the gorges are, i wont sit and see you hurt yourself, that's why i say, follow me son. Follow me, I know the way.
I love you more than you will ever realise.

Lovely response.

My dear sister, waz up and long time?

I can see this your son is really given you a tough time and i'm really impreessed at the way you are nuturing and really bringing him up in the way of the Lord.

Pls keep it up as your labour of love wont go unrewarded. The Lord is your strenght.

NiRfreak:


Bros....Your comprehension is low , if you ask OP those questions about his allusion to God and his colleagues professing the supernatural from his narration.

You simply don't get the context of the narrations......please do read again........he was only telling the story of a passed event , beliefs and insinuations before he came about atheism.....

Pot calling kettle black. I would have brutalised you with ad homenim if not for your respectful approach.

Now i counsel that you grow some brain and reread the post and see if you can dissect the deeper layer of truth for which the question was intended.

Help yourself.