dagem:


I don't know if you'd still get to see this, considering the number of years it's been posted.

But Adimula simply means "to hold till it thrives or whatever I hold on to thrives"

And it's a title known to be used for crowned kings. One of the most popular to have that has his title was Owa Ajigbogun Adimula of Ilesha land. And it's since been added to the titles of consequent kings who resigned after him. Other kings might be eulogized with it since it's a good word for eulogy.

I hope I answered your question satisfactorily.

Okay. Thanks

compton11:
which means he was actually ife man not ekiti or ijesha?

Yes,his ancestors were of Ileife origin

compton11:
so brother,if oke imesi are ijesha.


That means Fabunmi Oke imesi was ijesha not ekiti?

Fabunmi Oke Imesi is said to be an Obalufon descendant from Ileife.

Every other things were borne out of migration through ancient directional tools and from Ifaodu.

babtoundey:


Ikede still doesn't translate to protest. In fact, it's not close to it. Ikede means making announcement. "Iwode" may be close but "ikede" has zero similarity with protest.

When you try to use it in a sentence, you will see it can't in any capacity be used in place of protest.

We have phrases like "Ikede pataki" (vital information or vital announcement), "ikede agabye" (worldwide announcement", ikede ranpe" (short or brief announcement).

I don't need any oxford dictionary to know and be certain that "ikede" isn't protest.

Well, if you disagree,it shows the understanding of modern Yoruba interpretation analysis and ancient Yoruba interpretation at loggerhead.

In as much as Yoruba language cannot literarily be convey to have perfect translation for a word which is non descriptive, then much needs be desired.

Interestingly,from modern Yórùba perspective , Ikéde means, "public announcement. "
This translation is known to me and I agree with it. This is seen logically from:

I + ke + Ode =
I + Ké + de

I = to
Ké = convey/cry/announce in
De = public/base

Unfortunately, it does not mean "Public announcement" or your own version which is "announcement" but means "Protest", according to "A Dictionary of the Yoruba language" , page 145."

As you can see, the Yoruba dictionary disagreed wìth both of us i.e you and I .

Therefore, your usage which "Ikede" means announce/announcement from modern day Radio station or Television's may faulter if there is no reference to back up your claim.

Yoruba language is deeper than how it is seen andunderstood in modernday Yoruba land because language continues to grow from its original meaning as continuum..

Ifaodu corpus on Yoruba language information is absolutely way ahead of modern day Yoruba language in term of the originality, which is the reason, there are collision of interest in translation by general speakers of this wonder language.

Anyway, it is wonderful exchanging chats.


Cheers

babtoundey:


Ikede doesn't mean protest or demonstration. It means announcement. Like Ikede agabye- worldwide announcement.

While ikede means announcement, Akede means the announcer.

The equivalent to protest in Yoruba is ifiehonuhan (the expression of your remonstrances, dissatisfactions or displeasure.

"Ikede" suit for the word protest. Atleast,the pioneer dictionary clearly assert it.

Direct translation from a particular language to unrelated another one can be misleading. Hence,closely descriptive word can be use to translate it.

donnie:


If you don’t have anything else to say, you can leave in peace before I finish you here.

Finish me 😀😂😂 ? You see, I am one of the few on this platform some years back that can read who has use the adopted reconstruction of ancient hebrew ideograms with the accepted alphabets created by European scholars.

Having compare the true cognates between Ancient Hebrew language and Arabic's with Yoruba language through Arabic comparison with Yoruba language, which have been alleged to be LOANED ARABIC WORDS INTO YORUBA language. As my statement can be proven in Hebrew & Yoruba cognates or so on this "Culture" group.

Having clarified on this, it is noteworthy to first of know and identify the closest African language that European scholars suspected and compared with Ancient Hebrews language where there were flaws. Do you even know the said African language ?

Do you even know Greek "language" translators identified as Septuagint is used to translate the ancient hebrew language ? This also came with a ditch. Do you know why the translations came with challenges ?

Anyway, I do not want you to use negative words on my personality,so I leave you in peace with your oustanding research work

donnie:
@RedboneSmith @olu317

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/hSsXK35bPVXddaT7/?mibextid=UalRPS

I have seen this before and I know it is part of humanity for conquerors to rewrite history of the conquered.

But the reality is that the autochthon will always rebell,no matter how long the truth is concealed to balance the history .

Even at this rebellion, every kingdom is actually borned out of conquest. Therefore, one can assert that history written are borne to a form of manipulation at the adavantage of newcomers.

Interestingly, can we rule out conquest and assimilation from state or kingdom formation ? Hence, it is not fit to be subtle when people claim "Alpha and Omega" is an African word without concrete evidence,which is basically purely Afrocentrism.

This does not take away many loan words from one kingdoms or Empire or the other. English language as it is economic language of the world is built around Africa which include Near East language and European's.

Of a fact, many information are in circulation that proves Africa is complex and having diverse ancestry cum history even if dna are linked from one area to another.

donnie:


You don’t tell me what and what not to quote.

So you think I have not read your so-called classic Hebrew? What you need brother is a decolonization of your mind. I have long passed this level of discussions.

Here you are depending 100% on Paleo Hebrew a modern language and trying to disprove Ejagham. a language spoken by those who’s ancestors were the gods referred to in the writings about ancient civilizations.

Now, to your submission…

First, Aleph is the Ox, not bull. Even the word you used there (Elefon meaning bull) is from the Nkem Ejagham word “mfoñ” meaning bull.

Ale, as earlier mentioned, is the ancient root of the Phoenician/Paleo-Hebrew word Aleph, from where the Greek Alpha was derived. Ale is an Nkem (Bakor Ejagham) word and means “they said”.
Aleph, being the first letter of the Paleo-Hebrew Alphabet is depicted with the symbol of the Ox.

Why the Ox? Renowned for its strength and endurance, the ox serves as a symbol of hard work and determination. They can use their strength to pull heavy wagons and heavy machinery. Its unwavering perseverance and ability to labor tirelessly through challenging tasks make it an emblem of resilience and tenacity.

Now, don’t these describe the power of Ale (they said/ the Word)? It will SURELY come to pass.

nkem kiniii ? Okay ooo you are correct .....

Bull or Ox is same.

Imagine whom I am chatting with ? You can help yourself with English dictionary..

Continue..

There are many words that are synonymous to PROTEST in Yoruba language. However what you are looking for is descriptive in nature in Yoruba language and her dialects. Examples are :

kéde/ Ikéde = public campaign/cry out against/ /protest

Kìlọ̀/Ikìlọ̀ = warn / protest

ifí ẹdùn ọkan han = speak one's mind against /protest

lsọ̀rọ̀ si àìṣédeédeé = speak against / protest

Ṣọ̀tẹ̀/Iṣọ̀tẹ̀= rebellion / protest

Tapa si = rebell/go against /protest

My widow's might 😃😄

@ OP, Bible translation are filled with vague interpretation. So do not quote bible if you want to discuss ancient semitic Hebrew.

This is the reason the accurate name falsified as David is not known even with other derivatives as Daodu/Daod/ Dud/ which all remain wanting.

It is better to read many Classic Ancient Hebrew books an enthusiast before you can come up with what Ale means.

Ale ( Aleph ) is actually identified as Elefon as pronunced as(herlehphon) popularly known as "Bull" in English language.

Cheers

Dsimmer:


I'm talking about the Yoruba meaning of the word. One thing is, Yoruba know the meaning of all their words in their
own Yoruba language, irrespective of the similarities with the Israelites' words.

The word Olorun means "Lord of heaven/greatest height". The meaning of the Israelites' word "Elyon" means Most high.

Likewise the Yoruba word "Oluwa" which is similar to the Israelites' word "Eloah/Elowah".

There's also the Yoruba word "Ìyè Ayeraye" which is similar to the Israelites' word "Yahweh" which means alive.

Hence, Yoruba understand the words in their own Yoruba language📌, irrespective of the similarities

Chai

I give up to this your scholarly assertion.

Dsimmer:


Most high. Just like Olorun which is Lord of heaven/greatest height.

Post the rootword of Elyon and semitic inscription that detailed how Olorun is derived from Elyon to have same orclosely related meaning.

Dsimmer:


Ifa refers to the Yoruba people as Omo Kaaro ojire, Omoluabi, Adulawo..

Show us evidence in oduifa and stop theorising all these concocted views.

N3cR0mAZc3R:
bullshit. Yorubas are not native to europe nor are we hebrews or share similar words with them. I can't argue for now bro. That's my last reply to you.

Lol.
You people do not read and stop condemnation.

Here are The Eurasian backflow into Africa came from a population closely related to Early Neolithic farmers who had colonized Europe 4,000 years earlier…

E1b1a1a1f1a1d is defined by Z1704.
This above subclade has been observed across Africa. The 1000 Genomes Project Consortium found this SNP in Yoruba Nigerian, three Kenyan Luhyas and one African descent Puerto Rican.".....

"David Reich et. al., Linkage disequilibrium in the human genome, Nature 411, 199 – 204, issue of 10 May 2001; Whitehead Institute / MIT Center for Genome
Research, Nine Cambridge Center, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02142, USA."

"The Yoruban haplotypes are generally contained within the longer Utah haplotypes, and there is little Yoruban-specific LD (85% of observations of substantial LD (|D'| > 0.5) in Yorubans are also substantial and of the same sign in Utah). The vast difference in the extent of LD between populations points to differences owing to population history, probably a bottleneck or founder effect that occurred among the ancestors of north Europeans after the divergence from the ancestors of the Nigerians.".....

"E-P2 is a common haplogroup paternal lineage among various African populations like Yoruba and Somali (and all Niger-Kordofanian and Cushitic speakers for example). Population like Yoruba and Somali also share various MtDNA counterpart lineages like L2a, L3bf, L3cd, L3eikx, L0a, etc. Yoruba people have over 90% of the E-P2 lineage (also known as E1b1) in the form of E1b1a(E-M2) in their population and Somali have over 80% of the E-P2 lineage in the form of E1b1b in their population."......

BabaRamota1980:


Someone had mentioned before, and I think it might have been Olu317 or absolutesuccess, that eriwo is ancient Yoruba word meaning river. The word is lost through times. From eriwo is the derivative mariwo, a tree found on river banks.

In use, eriwoya (pronounced eriwoooyahhh) is a command, preceeding sacred incantation. In other words, a code request for access into sacredness. Going with your theory on the relativity between Yoruba and Children of Israel, could ERIWOYAH, be the sacred code Moses used to part the river? It's a theory, Id like to hear your weight on it.

Eri is river.
Mariwo is palm frond.
Ope is sacred palm nut.
Eriwo is a sacred word associated with initiates for a purpose.
Orunmila has "Eri"... as a prefix to one of his name cum alias.

Unfortunately, I was not the one who asserted Eriwo as river. Albeit Osinmeri/Oshinmeri is a river in ileife.....

Cheers

Dsimmer:


Elyon is similar to Olorun while Elohim should be Olohun

I think even though I sometimes try to dig deep, I still find the whole Hebrew connection funny. Lol. Of course I acknowledge there are several similarities. Apart from Yoruba words with similar meanings as the Isreaelites' such as (Binu/Benas, Aanu/Haanah, Melo/Melo, Iwa/Iwa, Aye/Hayah etc), Yoruba have also got similar names for the supreme creator as the Israelites. There is also the Yoruba tradition of making the second twin the elder (Akobi) of the twins like the case of Jacob and so on). However, I have always believed that Yoruba had nothing to do with the Israelites to begin with but when I started seeing the several funny similarities, it kinda baffles me. Lol.

As a matter of fact, I don't want any Yoruba words to be lost. You would even see some idiots trying to replace Yoruba intelligent words. That tend to annoy me the most tbh.

Another is the false narrative written about Oduduwa by some people whereas Oduduwa is from Oke Ora according to Ifa. Some people often think that the fact that the Yoruba often state that Oduduwa descended from the sky meant the Yoruba didn't know where Oduduwa came from. Lol. These people tend to forget or don't know that there's difference between Orisha Oduduwa and the Oduduwa king. The Orisha Oduduwa descended from the sky while the Oduduwa king came from Oke ora to become the king of Ife. As a matter of fact, If Yoruba parted from the Isrealites, it wasn't Oduduwa king who was actually from Oke Ora in Ife. Point is Oduduwa isn't from anywhere else but from Oke Ora. He's a Yoruba man from Oke Ora📌

In fact, prior to Oduduwa of Oke Ora becoming the king, there was also Obatala who was the king. So If the Yoruba indeed parted from the Isrealites, it would have been the first Yoruba that settled in Ife before Obatala emerged as the king among them and then Oduduwa of Oke Ora becoming the king afterwards, thereby depicting the creation of the universe by Orisha Obatala (light) and Orisha Oduduwa (matter). So as much as Obatala and Oduduwa are historical kings in Yoruba history, they're also depicting the Orishas which represent light and matter (which includes the earth matter) which formed the universe.

Of course if Yoruba indeed parted from Isrealites, It's plausible that the first Yoruba settled in Ife before Obatala emerged as the king among them. And of course, the Yoruba ancestors were obviously very intelligent to have known how the universe was created, thus Orisha Obatala (light) and Orisha Oduduwa (matter) which represent the universe creation. My conclusion is if the Yoruba indeed parted from Isrealites, I doubt it was in Israel. Because if it was in Israel, why couldn't they remember Moses, the red sea, the 10 commandments? I mean if the Yoruba got to Israel land, they should have remembered Moses, the red sea and the 10 commandments! So I doubt the Yoruba were in Israel land but it's possible they parted from the Isrealites while the Isrealites were still in the old Egypt.

The Yoruba doesn't also seem to remember Abraham although it's plausible that the Yoruba may not remember Abraham but they should know about Jacob, considering they supposedly descended from Jacob who was also in Egypt, especially if it's in Egypt they parted 🤔.. Although it seems the Yoruba does remember Jacob, considering the Yoruba twin (Akobi) tradition. However, the Yoruba don't know about Moses, the red sea and the 10 commandments hence I don't think they parted in Israel. I'm still in two mode of thoughts. They either parted early from the Isrealites in the old Egypt or they're just ancient people doing their thing.

What does Elyon means?

Dsimmer:


Yoruba predates a lot of things because Yoruba have got an ancient African gene with an ancient Eurasian admixture thus it means the Yoruba are ancient people.

It's either the ancient Yoruba went out to birth others before returning back to Africa or the Yoruba were part of the early Jews but parted early, considering the Jews were in and out of Africa in the Old BC timeline.

Of course Yoruba language has got a mix of old Jewish language with African language just as their ancient gene shows an ancient African gene with an ancient Eurasian admixture. The Yoruba language itself is a mix of African (which includes the old Coptic), Semitic, Asiatic etc. maybe some Greek/Euro considering some Greeks words such as Apata - Peter which means "Rock" or Lara, Adelaide etc.. Lol.

Funnily, there was a talk of people with strange language below the Ethiopia river where two rivers divides a land in Isaiah 18:2-3? Isn't that Lokoja, a Yoruba named town which is the home of the Yoruba westwards? As a matter of fact, Yoruba calls God the same several names as the Jewish several names for God. For example, Oluwa (Eloah), Olorun (Elohim), El 'mareh (Eledumare/Olodumare), Ìyè/Eriwoyah (Yahweh).

To add to the description btw, apart from IFA calling the Yoruba Omoluabi, Ifa also calls the Yoruba "Adulawo". Now the question is, are the Yoruba the dispersed ones below the Ethiopia river often talked for example in Isaiah 18:1-3 and also in Zeph 3:10 or they're just ancient people doing their thing? 😅 Yahweh did say his people shall bear his name. Yoruba ended up bearing Yoruba name given by Oranmiyan/Sango. Not to mention the fact that a messiah born of a virgin woman was also sent to the Yoruba.

On the other hand, Yoruba could also be ancient people just doing their thing. Besides, the dispersed ones should be in Ethiopa and Europe na..

It's strange how Yoruba have got similar several names for God as the Jewish names..

Either ways, Yoruba are quite mysterious ..

Anyways, Yoruba religion which is Ifa is all about intelligence, creativity and civilization.

Adúláwọ̀ is not ifa statement . Stop manipulation..

N3cR0mAZc3R:


We have no tiger nor have our fore fathers ever seen it in yorubaland. Leopard is what hunters called ogidan ọlọ́lá iju he who have sharp claws and make tribal marks without marks (Leopards claw is described as being similar to a living chain saw).

Leopard is Ẹkùn or ogidan.

I made this thread so I know what I am saying.

The same some of you people will hastily conclude Yoruba ancestors have loaned many words Arabic language ?

And what about Yoruba language's wordings that are found in Ancient Hebrew language that are not known in Arabic's ?

Indeed, Yoruba ancestors have existed even in Europe before gradually moving out and diverged from same ancestors between 100,000 and 80,000 Years ago in Europe..

Compare the DNA of divergents 100000 found in Europe and ±14000 found in Iwo Eleru..

My point here is that you stop conclusion when you assume over what you have no knowledge on.

My assignment for you is that you should mention the name of the researcher who identified Yoruba ancestors diverged over 100000 years and I will share five words from over a thousand which does not exist in Arabic but are found in Both Yoruba and Ancient Hebrew .

Dsimmer:


Yoruba predates a lot of things because Yoruba have got an ancient African gene with an ancient Eurasian admixture thus it means the Yoruba are ancient people.

It's either the ancient Yoruba went out to birth others before returning back to Africa or the Yoruba were part of the early Jews but parted early, considering the Jews were in and out of Africa in the Old BC timeline.

Of course Yoruba language has got a mix of old Jewish language with African language just as their ancient gene shows an ancient African gene with an ancient Eurasian admixture. The Yoruba language itself is a mix of African (which includes the old Coptic), Semitic, Asiatic etc. maybe some Greek/Euro considering some Greeks words such as Apata - Peter which means "Rock" or Lara, Adelaide etc.. Lol.

Funnily, there was a talk of people with strange language below the Ethiopia river where two rivers divides a land in Isaiah 18:2-3? Isn't that Lokoja, a Yoruba named town which is the home of the Yoruba westwards? As a matter of fact, Yoruba calls God the same several names as the Jewish several names for God. For example, Oluwa (Eloah), Olorun (Elohim), El 'mareh (Eledumare/Olodumare), Ìyè/Eriwoyah (Yahweh).

To add to the description btw, apart from IFA calling the Yoruba Omoluabi, Ifa also calls the Yoruba "Adulawo". Now the question is, are the Yoruba the dispersed ones below the Ethiopia river often talked for example in Isaiah 18:1-3 and also in Zeph 3:10 or they're just ancient people doing their thing? 😅 Yahweh did say his people shall bear his name. Yoruba ended up bearing Yoruba name given by Oranmiyan/Sango. Not to mention the fact that a messiah born of a virgin woman was also sent to the Yoruba.

On the other hand, Yoruba could also be ancient people just doing their thing. Besides, the dispersed ones should be in Ethiopa and Europe na..

It's strange how Yoruba have got similar several names for God as the Jewish names..

Either ways, Yoruba are quite mysterious ..

Anyways, Yoruba religion which is Ifa is all about intelligence, creativity and civilization.

Well, Ifaodu is the world encyclopedia and not for Yoruba's alone.

Cartology of European explorers actually mentioned part of Yoruba as Judah Territory.

Judah here may be referred to Odua ,considering the location and the people being spoken of as Jews.

Infact, Portuguese monarch after revolution against Black monarch and other nobles deported Jews in around early 16th century to Africa.

Quintopia:


Of course they don't.

IGBO—–. YORUBA. —–MEANING

Ewu.— Ewurẹ. —Goat
Torotoro—. Tolotolo. —Turkey
Ọnu.—Ẹnu. —Mouth
Nti.— Eti. —Ear
Agba.— Agbon. —Chin
Enyi ---- Erin-----Elephant
Imi. —Imu—. Nose
Iba. —Iba.— Fever.
Gbọrọ. —Gbọ.— Hear
Nso nso—. Osuosu—. Menstruation
Atọ.— Ẹta.— Three
Gini. —Kini. —What
Ala—. Ilẹ.— Land
Mmiri.— Omi.— Water
Okute.— Okuta.— Stone
Afufe. —Ifufe. —Wind
Oyi.— Oyi. —Cold
Ọka. —Ọka. —Corn
Ebe.— Ibi.— Place
Afa.— Ifa.— Divination
Ulọ. —Ile.— House
Olisa.— Òrìṣà.— Deity
Uru.— Ere. —Gain
Ọgbọ—. Ẹgbẹ.— Age-mate
Oru—. Ẹru. —Slave
Ogwu------Egun-----Thorn
Olu ---- Orun---Neck
Onye—. Eniyan.— Person
Akpa—. Apo.— Bag
Akpati.— Apoti—. Box

ụwa = earth in igbo
yoruba cognates (iwa, wiwa, hardly used except for in names, like Oluwa); (oni/olu = owner, “oluwa=owner of the earth”), oduduwa (great one who created the earth)

Yoruba
Goat
Ewure (generic); to swell up to bleat
obukọ(male goat)
abo ewurẹ (female goat)

Mouth
Erú/erún (modern ẹnu)

Menstruation
Asẹ/nkan osu

Path
Ala

Earth
Ilẹ̀

Stone
ọtá

Stone site/site of stone
Okó ọtá became okutá

here
ebe/ibi

Word of God
Ifá

Divination/heavenly message
Dífá

Age mate/age group/age grade
etu/otu/ẹgbẹ

Slave
ẹru

Servant
Iwọfa/ṣe-ọfa/ṣọfa

Heat
Oru

Late night/midnight/before twilight
Oorú

Thorn
ẹ̀gun

Human/Mankind
Èènìyàn/èèyàn/Ẹda

Mankind owner
Ẹlẹ́da

House
akodi/ilé

Roof
Orulé

Above chamber /Hevenly abode
Ajà

Chamber
Ilédi

Virtuous
Iwà; name of Almighty God.
(ii) wife of orunmila i.e attribute associated with orunmila etc

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks very much for the piece of enlightenment you dropped up there in the post sir, I will definitely do my research on the point raised and share my know;edge on the matter from the best angle findings would afford me.

We learn everyday.

Information are sacred and we should put more effort in deep digging to ascertain Yoruba families and establishment of the society that birthed Yoruba language.

Even Yoruba people's dna is also worth looking at with the complexity

Dsimmer:


I'm saying what Ifa state. Ifa says Ela is Orunmila. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. So what's the confusion there?

While Ifa always speak in parables, it's not
difficult to read the lines. Orun and Ela are combined together to mean "Ela always works with heaven divine power and knowledge". That's exactly what Ifa narrated when Ifa was talking about Orun and Ela. Orun means heaven. That was why I said you should always take note of the name which sometimes gives out the meaning of the parables.

Ela who's Omoloju Eledumare is also Orunmila as stated by Ifa. Albeit the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role.

Stop irritating me with false information.

Quote the Ifa stanza and let us learn from you.

absoluteSuccess:


Hmm, Enire, eku ohun,

Eku ojo meta. O to ojo meta kan ti okan mi ti nfa sii yin, e seun. Ayun yin yunmi lopolopo, eku aibinu. Mo gba ladura pe Eleda a maa sowa lowo awon eni ibi ati ajambakuala. Ifa so wipe, Ori iya eni nii bani soro nibi giga. Ki Ori maa kowa yo l'owo awon abinu eni.

I am happy to read from you as always. Its very important to show that the fellow is such a deep fake who robs it on the Yoruba that he's invisible. But great souls like you and some of us can see through his deep fake, how? Here's someone who claim "Isese is harsh". So, what repository of history is in Isese? How does that comes from a traditional enthusiast about the same tradition he claims to uphold?

Observe his remark on Ahmad Baba’s “Mi’raj al-Su’ud”, what would it take this presupposed "well-read-man" to cite a snippet from what he has read? by implication, this guy will possibly take every book off the library if it never agrees with his projection of what he thinks to be "true". Then, whatever comes as "knowledge" is a "cult object" to him. How will knowledge ever grow when a know-it-all questions everyone but those he questions are below his rank to dare ask him a question? That's grandiose delusion.

Now back to Isese, it was just harsh...that's hypnotism. okay we agree isese is harsh, how is that oral historical or proof of anything? Meanwhile, in Sources Of Yoruba History, Wande Abimbola shared Yoruba history from the confines of Ifa. likewise, the history of Awori will never be deciphered except we look back into its verb form "Iwori-" which is a title in Ifa. If that holds to be true, then it abrogates long held tradition of a sinking dish and project a "Awori" as word family of Iwori.

In extension, every Yoruba place name are decipherable in Yoruba language and were snippets of Yoruba history. If this guy is ignorant of ro as soft, so what else can I say? I think the liar needs to always shout and say trash to cover for his ignorance. He couldn't fully comprehend my last post due to the Yoruba piece in it. He has already served his use though. I bet we can never ever go through that same rat race of those days over again, we have done exactly what life set us up to do, the rest is history, for each and everyone of us, our works stands sure.

I replied your post two days after I saw it but frustration from BOT.It is highly discouraging to me and tt makes this platform less interesting to me.

However, it remains a delight to read from you , omo obatala obatasa oba tatakun takun lode iranje.

Dsimmer:


I'm sure you're talking about where Ifa was talking about Orun and Ela?

As I said, Ifa always speak in parables. Don't forget Orunmila in full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela". Orunmila is simply Ela. Orun and Ela are combined together to mean "Ela always works with heaven's divine knowledge & power".. Orunmila is the same as Ela, just as Ifa often states (albeit the first Ifa priest was also named Orunmila before Ela, born of a virgin came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role).

Ela is Omoloju Eledumare as stated by Ifa and he's also referred as Orunmila which represent wisdom and knowledge.

Knowing ifaodu spirituality is beyond just reading some concocted books . The real deal is to actively knowledgeable about it through priests.

The reality is that, what you're posting is repetion of same view overand over again rwhich doesn't exist in ifa.

Therefore, kudos irrespective of how you have little knowledge Ela but can still be broaden to learn more about ifa as encyclopaedia of Yoruba/ Humanity.

Ire o

OzzyOz:
Most of us Somalis have our looks not because of Arab but of Natufian Jews that thousands of years ago were cast out by levants and forced to go to horn Africa area. The Jewish haplogroups and genes are in our DNA 🧬

And reference on the Jewish haplogroug is ?

Dsimmer:


What sin did Ela make against Orunmila? Let's start from there. Have you forgotten that Ela is Orunmila (Orun mo Ela), albeit the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a virgin woman, Oyigi came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role?

Of course Ela, Omoloju Eledumare is often referred as the saviour of the world hence why the Odun Ela is about asking forgiveness from Orunmila (Ela) and Eledumare.

Well, if you do not there a celebration to acknowledged sin and forgiveness , in ifaodu , then you will need to consult further from a priest / Olifa/Onifa/Babalawo on it.

Ela after having so much power and he was healing the sick, raising the dead, opening eyes of the blinds etc, he began to think, he can do it once he lives the abode of Orunmila.

Eventually,he left Orunmila's abode. After doing this, everything he touches doesn't become fruitful anymore each time people come to seek spiritual guidance from ifa through him.

He later device the right plan after he went to see other Babalawos and he was told of his wrong doing after divination were made.........

Thereafter he ackowledged his error and everything was restored back to him after sacrifices were done.........

There are ifa stanzas that talked about sin and forgiveness and what to be used as offering .

No human blood is used in ifa.Although fake priests and fetish people claiming isese do use human beings for their own selfish reason. Ifa reject human sacrifices.

Finally , Ela is not omoloju eledumare. Gbogbo wa ni omo ope segi segi gbogbo wa ni ifa bi
Orunmila ni Baba wa( if you are an initiate you will understand me)

Ire o

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I already stated that Ela olurogbo of Moremi is different from Ela olurogbo of Oyigi, the virgin woman. However, whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Ela! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi or Ela Oluwo Orun. All are same.

Stop this please!Ela oyigi defaulted and sinned against Orunmila.

This is the reason, there is Odun Ela to appease and ask for for forgiveness of our sinful attitudes to Orunmila and Eledumare even against other irunmoles as well as ancestors of ours.

If you do not know these, then you need associate yourself with isese people to get better understanding on the subject matter.

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Ela olurogbo is the same as Ela omo oyigi. The one who is different is the Ela olurogbo of Moremi who was a married woman. In fact, it was stated that Moremi named her child, Ela olurogbo because of the popularity and divine nature of the previous Ela olurogbo.

Whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Ela! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi or Ela Oluwo Orun. All are same.

You should read a bit about my edited post.

They are not the same. If you are an isese person , you will know these things.

Are you aware of festival rites and celebration of Ela Oluorogbo in ileife ? If you know, you will mix them up.

Do you know in this month Ebibi there is a celebration associated with Ela Omo ikofa Orunmila ?

Do you know reason for the celebration ?

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The thing is you don't follow up on the names and also, you keep mixing up the human Orisha with the primordial Orisha. While Ifa do speak in parables, it does drop hints.

Ela olurogbo is same as Ela Omo Oyigi (Oyigi is the virgin who gave birth to Ela). As a matter of fact, Olurogbo means Lord of the ancient one which is simply Ela 's accolades. Same as Ela, Oluwo orun.

Ela is the absolute extension of Olodumare and that's why he's called Ela, Omoloju Eledumare 💥 In fact, It's Ela who started the creation of the universe by creating the primordial Obatala Orisha and the primordial Oduduwa Orisha which are the two equal halves of a sphere which formed the universe. Obatala means the King of light while Oduduwa means the vessel holding the black creations. That's exactly how the universe looks like, even as all things are made up of light and matter. It's Obatala and Oduduwa combination which formed other things on earth hence all things started from Ela, Omoloju Eledumare 📌

Btw, let me inform you that the primordial Orisha is different from the human Orisha as I already stated. For example, the primordial Oduduwa Orisha is different from the human Oduduwa king who ruled Ife. The primordial Obatala Orisha is different from the human Obatala king who ruled Ife. Ifa picked these two humans to be kings of Ife, in a bid to depict the two primordial Orisha (Obatala and Oduduwa) which formed the universe. Note that Ifa is also an educative platform which always tries to ensure the Yoruba keep these things into memory hence it always pick up human representations to depict the primordial Orisha so that the Yoruba can keep it easily into memory 📍

Back to Ela, Ela is also referred to as Orunmila which is "Orun mo Ela" in full expatiation. Orunmila represent intelligence and wisdom which is what Ela represent. Ela is a spirit of light which is all about intelligence/enlightenment, creation/creativity and clarity.

Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a virgin came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a virgin took over the priesthood role from Moses who was the first priest for the Isrealites.

I am not wrong! Ela Eluorogbo is not Ela omo oyigi ota omi. They are not the same personality.

2. This is also not correct on Ela Oluwo Orun.There is no ifa corpus that mentioned Ela Eluorogbo as Ela Oluwo Orun. If you know such odu then cite it.

3. Ela Eluorogbo is also not the son of Moremi whom she gave birth to and named him Ela Eluorogbo,the primodial deity.

4. You seem not to get my drift.There is Odun Ela . Do you know why Odun Ela is celebrated ?

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First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Interesting. Albeit, you're correct in some areas but not in the personality of Ela omo oyigi .

Ela omo oyigi was born through ewe Ela with other akose ifa. Hence, he was named Ela.

Ela omo oyigi being a miracle child was born when the mother went to seek after her daily bread in the forest. She then began to labour and gave birth to him.

Thereafter , with no one around to help her, she left the child and went to nearby village. On her return , the child had cleaned himself up and was seen walking when his mother and the villagers arrived.......

Do you know why Ela Omo Oyigi Left Orunmila house ?

Are you aware of the consequence that followed such act by Ela ?

He later ascent through a tiny rope to Orun

What about Ela Eluorogbo ?

What about Ela Oluwo Orun ?

Ela also the name of Orunmila Orun mi eni ma la

Orun mi e la = Sudden success manifestation of Orun /Heaven ?

Obatala is not any half of creation neither was odudua but both were participants in creation.

Orunmila lo tele ile aye do(Orunmila went to establish the world.

Ogun lo fi ada re lana ti ojo fi la (Ogun sword was used to clear the path for earth to being) .Hence, Olojo festival and Ogun worship/veneration in different places across Yoruba land and places Yoruba culture are celebrated.

Oye la
Omo araye se bi ojumo ti mo
Ojumo kò mo oye lo sese n la bo...

peregede ati ojumo ni won jo se omo iye
peregede lojo ma la
ojo kò le se kò ma la
li la lila lojo ma la .......

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First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Interesting. Albeit, you're correct in some areas but not in the personality of Ela omo oyigi .

Ela omo oyigi was born through ewe Ela with other akose ifa. Hence, he was named Ela.

Ela omo oyigi being a miracle child was born when the mother went to seek after her daily bread in the forest. She then began to labour and gave birth to him.

Thereafter , with no one around to help her, she left the child and went to nearby village. On her return , the child had cleaned himself up and was seen walking when his mother and the villagers arrived.......

Do you know why Ela Omo Oyigi Left Orunmila house ?

Are you aware of the consequence that followed such act by Ela ?

He later ascent through a tiny rope to Orun

What about Ela Eluorogbo ?

What about Ela Oluwo Orun ?

Ela also the name of Orunmila Orun mi eni ma la

Orun mi e la = Sudden manifestation of Orun /Heaven ?

Obatala is not any half of creation neither was odudua but both were participants in creation.

Orunmila lo tele ile aye do(Orunmila went to establish the world.

Ogun lo lana ona ti ojo fi la (Ogun sword was used to clear the path for earth to being) .Hence, Olojo festival and Ogun worship/veneration in different places across Yoruba land and places Yoruba culture are celebrated

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Oduduwa, the king became king more than 2000yrs ago and predates Mohammad to begin with, so the whole Mohammad nonsense is rubbish to begin with. Anyone with a brain would know that. As a matter of fact, Oduduwa came from Oke Ora as stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa which dropped from the sky as stated by Ifa represent cosmos creation which creates the black space, the earth and the first human who's a black man as the Oduduwa name depicts.

On the Eurasian gene which is 7500- 10000yrs old, it's an ancient Eurasian gene which is pointing to an old time. I once opined that Yoruba could be part of the Isrealites if we take in cognizance of the Yoruba having similar names for God as the Isrealites such as Oluwa, Eledumare, Olorun, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Isrealites' Eloah, Elohim, El'Mareh, Yahweh. There's also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman, Oyigi, which is similar to the Isrealites, albeit the Isrealites are still waiting for their own blood Messiah since they already crucified Jesus.

So either the Yoruba were part of the Isrealites or the Yoruba are ancient people doing their thing after all the Yoruba have got earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA. It's the ancient DNA I want to focus on sef.

Which Ifaodu stanza are you referring ? Shed more light.

Secondly, Orunmila is also known as Odudua in ifa stanza "Agbeka." He descended ontop water and healed the earth

Thirdly, there is another story of Odudua as humanbeing who Orunmila supported to overpower Obatala humanbeing aswell

Fourthly, there are two oke ora. Once is being reconstructed from Egypt's Coptic's language "ke Ra", which wasnt too far from "Elephan" Elephantine." While the Yorubas "oke Ora" is at Ileife .

Which of the "Oke Ra" do you think Yoruba ancestors descended through ?