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Religion / Re: For People Who Try To Justify The Barbaric Acts In The Old Testament by PastorAIO: 4:54pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
Also common is schizophrenics who hear the voice of god talking to them and telling them to do all sorts of things. How is anyone sure that all those prophets from Moses up to St Paul etc we’re not raving schizophrenics? 5 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 4:09pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Return from where? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 4:08pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So that was a warning. They were not even walking straight to Canaan according g to the bible but going round and round in circles for 40 years. Yęyę wanderers led by a yęyę yhwh. What about the people that yhwh could not drive out because they had iron? Is yhwh that feeble that he cannot withstand iron? So Ogun is greater than yhwh. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 3:55pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse: You talk of arguing with insults. You asked if I was a tribalist I said I’m not a tribalist. Yet you continued to call me a tribalist as a way to delegitimise my points. You didn’t even address any of the points I was making just carrying your goalpost from here to there in a bid to avoid an honest discussion. First you started with a lie. You said that the oriki of Esu says that he shouldn’t devastate one but he should devastate another. That is a lie. The oriki says , “ma se mi, elo mi ni ko se.” Literally in Yoruba that means don’t do me, do someone else. ‘Se mi’, ‘do me’ is very different from devastate me. YET it is yhwh that claims to devastate people. And it is proud of the devastation it wreaks. It is incredibly fascinating to see how yhwh’s victims often resort to projecting the vile character of themselves and their ghoul deity onto others. YHWH boasts of lying and devastating people and yet you want to blame that on Esu. MaxInDHouse: I’m talking of the entire species of elephant. I’m sure some are more intelligent than others just as some humans are more intelligent than other humans. It is demonstrable that there are many highly intelligent species which puts the lie to your claim that yhwh only created one intelligent specie. I’ll leave the lying bible out of this point though because at least this time your claim is not biblical. To be continued 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:15pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: And for the children of evildoers and the children’s children of the wrong doers. That one sounds like justice to you? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:11pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You tell me the achievement of man that is so wonderful and I’ll see if I can’t name another species that can do it and even better. There are humans living in the Amazon forest, naked, no big buildings, close to nature, no modern technology. Are you suggesting that those ones are not intelligent or they were not made in the image of God? I don’t know why you are ululating ‘Jehovah jehovah’. Is something paining you? You don’t even know his name sef, you just conjecture that it’s Jehovah. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:03pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So you don’t think that giving demons goats will make them return? Return from where sef? Where did they go? I thought they were in their domain. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 2:01pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Where did you read that one now o? Abi na personal revelation? When did yhwh send warning to canaanites and when did the bible say the demons deceived their worshipers. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 1:59pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So he came from nowhere and only him waka from nowhere go Egypt. Because his domain is nowhere no wonder he is so jealous and thieving. That must be what Jesus meant when he said birds has nests, foxes have holes but the son of yhwh had Nowhere. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:24am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Talk about devastation, no mythology or religion has a deity that likes to devastate as much as the filthy demon called Yhwh. Isaiah 24 1Behold, the LORD will empty the eartha and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants. 2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. 3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for the LORD has spoken this word. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:16am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You are just lying outright now and making things up. Numbers 1: 19 18and on the first day of the second month they assembled the whole congregation and recorded their ancestry by clans and families, counting one by one the names of those twenty years of age or older, 19 just as the LORD had commanded Moses. So Moses numbered them in the Wilderness of Sinai: So God told Moses to number Israel and he did. Where does the bible say that Satan took permission from God to tempt David.? It says Yhwh tempted David and that Yhwh was synonymous with Satan. That Yhwh IS Satan. Satan tempted David. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 11:08am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: https://baanchangelephantpark.com/elephant_post_17 this video in the link is particularly interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5sFxcxoy3Q I don't know what you mean but man has achieved a lot. The planet is being destroyed due to the activities of some humans. There are humans though who engage in these so called advances, like many of the tribes in the amazon forest. They even walk around naked which exposes the lie in your bible that they were ashamed of unclothedness and yhwh clothed them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBbFnU5ITuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:59am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: So there is no mention of Yoruba deities in the bible as they only focus on Israel ba? You lied when you said the 'fallen angels' in the bible refer to Yoruba deities. then this your God that journeys from somewhere all the way to Egypt to free his people, does that mean he has his domain too, and he traveled from there to Egypt. So he too is like the fallen angles that you described who have carved out domains for themselves.
He even receives sacrifice just like any other lesser deity. He even sends a share of the goats received to his fellow demons in the wilderness. Even those those demon's worshippers had been exterminated in a heinous act of genocide instigated by himself by his followers. See the devilishness of the character?
You're talking about of both sides of your mouth now. Those demons received their goat because they have a right to their domain as long as worshippers are loyal. However you said the worshippers were exterminated so why is yhwh still sharing goats with them? 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:37am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: 2Samuel 24:1 1Again the anger of the YHWH was kindled against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go, number Israel and Judah.” 2So the king said to Joab, the commander of the army,a who was with him, “Go through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan to Beersheba, and number the people, that I may know the number of the people.” 1Chronicles. 21:1 1Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel. 2So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan and bring me a report, so that I may know their number.” 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:33am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: This is false. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:31am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Odu Ogbe Ofun: Ogbe f'ohun fun olohun N o f'ohun fun olohun. Babalawo oba lo difa fun Oba Oba ntorun bo wale aye. translation- Ogbe give the thing back to the owner of the thing I will not give the thing back to the owner of the thing The babalawo of kingship divined for kingship Kingship was coming from heaven down to earth. Abeg which angel that did not keep it's place in heaven is called Kingship. What is obvious is that you do not understand the rhetorical device that is used in Ifa to explain the emergence of a phenomena. It is also obvious that you do not understand the bible that much either. Man is not the only intelligent being on this planet. Elephants have a very high level of intelligence and so dolphins. Even more intelligent than some humans. 3 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:18am On Aug 28, 2022 |
Maynman: President of where? |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:17am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: The bible is a big book. Can you not specify which passage exactly speaks of the Yoruba deities and how they took over certain domains? 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:13am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I'm not tribalistic so I'll be alright, thanks. Please furnish us with the Oriki of Esu and. then. explain the. parallels with Satan. The spirit referred to. as satan in the bible is also referred to as Yhwh. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:11am On Aug 28, 2022 |
Maynman: The previous president was Goodluck Jonathan. The current one is Buhari. The question was for those that claim olorun is only a title. who was the previous holder of the title? |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:09am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Please, which verse in Ifa or any divination lore said that? "Látìkọ̀lé Ọ̀run wá síkọ̀lé ayé", is a common phrase in Ifa text. It is used to refer to the origins of absolutely everything. We will hear of when Scissors left from heaven to earth. We hear of when money left from heaven to earth. we hear of when telephone left from heaven to earth. What is referred to is the process of creation. Every created thing is brought from heaven to earth. Orun in this case reads more like potentiality. Everything makes the journey from potentiality to actuality. That's how some people interpret it to English. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 10:02am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Please can you provide references for the claims you make above. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 9:59am On Aug 28, 2022 |
Maynman: If these titles do not refer to specific beings but to a title then many beings can succeed each other to the title. My question is, Who was the previous Olorun before the current Olorun? How long does the tenure as Olorun hold for? |
Religion / Re: What Is Olorun? by PastorAIO: 9:55am On Aug 28, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: I would love a discussion about whether Esu is Satan. I posit that Esu is not Satan. What are your reasons for thinking that he is? |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 2:46pm On Aug 09, 2022 |
DeepSight: Deepsight sir, have you considered that many People here on Nairaland may have mental health issues? |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 2:03pm On Aug 08, 2022 |
I believe that she refers to the Satanic verses. DeepSight: |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 12:00pm On Aug 08, 2022 |
HedwigesMaduro: Yahweh means 'I am who I am'. Unless you are not who you are you too can call yourself Yahweh Abi? Tokunbo means 'from overseas'. However would it make sense for anybody coming from abroad to call him or herself tokunbo when there are people using that as a personal name. The fact that a name has meaning doesn't change the fact that it is a personal identifier for specific individuals. It is a very disingenuous trick these foreign invaders are playing by distorting and misappropriating the names of Yoruba deities. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 11:53am On Aug 08, 2022 |
I'm waiting for them to say Jehovah is Olokun after all... Isaiah 51:15 I am the LORD your God, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name. Maynman: 1 Like |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 11:49am On Aug 08, 2022 |
HedwigesMaduro: If it is just a title that means that another he can be deposed and another being can come and take over the title. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 2:54pm On Aug 07, 2022 |
Babinski: What is Odu in Christianity? Does it exist? Is it not an Ifa concept? Does Christianity also have 16 Odu? 1 Like |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 1:51pm On Aug 07, 2022 |
what nonsense! Tokunbo is a name. It is descriptive too. Bolaji is a name. it is descriptive too. Yahweh is a name. It is descriptive too. it means "I am who I am". There is a reason why there is no shrine or ritual worship of Edumare. Such worship is accorded only to Orisha and lesser beings. Lesser beings such as Yhwh who requires sacrifice, has rituals, has a priesthood just like any other lesser deity. In meeting superior religion the Hebrews later tried to separate yhwh from these lower rituals hence they later developed ideas such as the Ein Soph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ein_Sof The Yoruba in fact do worship and address Edumare but not ritualistically. It brings me to tears to see how far my people have come from any knowledge of themselves and of their spiritual knowledge. Traditionally when we wake up we make Iba. That is obeisance. For example: Traditional Mojubahttps://sites.google.com/site/theyorubareligiousconcepts/suyere-prayers/mo-juba-iba The link is in case you think I'm. making it up. Yoruba don't do anything without praying to Edumare, without acknowledging without making Iba. Everything you do should be done in praise of Eledumare, he is above ritual and formula and cultic worship. Live your life in worship of Edumare. Stop equating that stupid ghoul with anything in Yoruba religion. Babinski: |
Religion / Re: To The Yorubas "Stop Praising Olorun, He Is Not The Christian God" by PastorAIO: 2:17pm On Aug 06, 2022 |
DeepSight: kilo fa gbogbo eyi nisin? mindless lohun lohun |
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