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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 2:22pm On Dec 31, 2022
Benin city was the capital of Benin empire and the nobles of Benin empire all had immediate family in Benin city. All empires do that, the centre collects immediate family members of the reigning monarch and that generally includes the next monarch. In a precolonial book, it is mentioned that some Europeans who were in an adventure in West Africa sought the support of the Oba of Benin who then ordered an Obi in his court to protect the Europeans and take some soldiers with him.

What I am saying is that the people of Benin city are the common denominator of the entire Benin empire, wherever you are in Benin empire, people of the same ancestry as yourself are in Benin city and being referred to as "Bini". This is why Benin city is home to all the different people of Benin empire. You are all Edo.

Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Cantonese: 3:24pm On Dec 31, 2022
QueenAgbo:


No,Ika is Ika and Benin is Benin.

Are you fine?

ABI you insult me, because Igbos are know for insulting anyone who disagree with them.

How long will you keep denying your identity?

Take your time to read the history of Agbor land/people instead of living in denial.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Cantonese: 3:26pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:
Benin city was the capital of Benin empire and the nobles of Benin empire all had immediate family in Benin city. All empires do that, the centre collects immediate family members of the reigning monarch and that generally includes the next monarch. In a precolonial book, it is mentioned that some Europeans who were in an adventure in West Africa sought the support of the Oba of Benin who then ordered an Obi in his court to protect the Europeans and take some soldiers with him.

What I am saying is that the people of Benin city are the common denominator of the entire Benin empire, wherever you are in Benin empire, people of the same ancestry as yourself are in Benin city and being referred to as "Bini". This is why Benin city is home to all the different people of Benin empire. You are all Edo.

Baba historian. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

This your story, how e sound to you sef?
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 3:31pm On Dec 31, 2022
Cantonese:


Baba historian. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

This your story, how e sound to you sef?
I'm not a historian, I only happen to not invent history. Unlike you and most people around you, I actually go to libraries and look at precolonial documents in Europe.
Unlike you I am actually educated in a field of science.
Unlike you I didn't get my thinking compromised by the masses of uneducated Nigerian bigots.
Unlike you, I know it is not about "how it sounds" but rather about "is it true, let me see evidence".
Unlike you, I grew up around educated people, not illiterates.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 3:46pm On Dec 31, 2022
Cantonese:


How long will you keep denying your identity?

Take your time to read the history of Agbor land/people instead of living in denial.
1) Basically you guys in the southeast have written propaganda to make the good people of Agbor believe they are Igbo and you call that your propaganda "history"
2) Now that everybody knows what "fake news" is, I bet everybody also knows what "fake history" is. And what you want people to consider history is an Igbo written revisionist work of political propaganda.
3) you can't tell a story which took place one thousand years ago in our region, because we didn't have a written language.
4) Agbor people have told you already, they are not Igbo ! Stop harassing them !
5) I bet you don't know who the people on the pictures below are.
6) stop telling people their history when you don't even know yours. I will tell you: the British combined a bunch of seperate tribes of canibals in order to make it easier to rule over them, those tribes are the people we call Igbo today and who think they are just one tribe.
Again Ika are not Igbo.

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 3:47pm On Dec 31, 2022
Cantonese:

How long will you keep denying your identity?
Why do you keep denying your canibal ancestry identity ?
If you are so desperate for land then try your luck with English speaking Cameroonians whom are actually close to you in terms of history and somewhat ethnicity.

How I hate when someone comes from an other place and just believes he knows you better than you know yourself! He puts the label of his so called tribe upon you as if you were his slave and he wants you to take it and shvt up. Southeasterners are just crazy. Even your tribe was created by the British from a bunch of cannibal tribes who lived in a small piece of land.

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by ImperialYoruba: 3:51pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:
For a long time, one Bini guy has been claiming that Agbor is Bini territory. When I asked him why the king of Agbor, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, has an Igbo name, the guy had no answer

But the King also said this

https://www.nairaland.com/4507273/stop-promoting-igbo-culture-says#67606958
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by gidgiddy: 3:53pm On Dec 31, 2022
ImperialYoruba:


But the King also said this

https://www.nairaland.com/4507273/stop-promoting-igbo-culture-says#67606958

You mean the king, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, who has an Igbo name and surname?
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 3:55pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


You mean the king, Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi, who has an Igbo name and surname?
His grandfather's name is (Obi Obika) Gbenoba.
Below is the picture of his grandfather.
I already made this argument, but as usual you guys run when you are proven wrong.
You claim the Obi's name is an igbo name, I don't know why his name would belong solely to Igbo, you guys keep forgetting that Uku Akpolokpolo is part of the name of the Oba of Benin. Anyways his grandfather's name is clearly Edo ! The same name as that of some of my family members in Benin city !

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 4:04pm On Dec 31, 2022
So let me get this:

1) the grand father (of the current Obi) had a clearly unmistakable Edo name
2) the grand father (of the current Obi) named the father
3) the father (of the current Obi) named him

4)Since you attribute name similarity to ethnicity, shouldn't you conclude that the grandfather of the current Obi of Agbor is Edo and that therefore the current Obi of Agbor is Edo ?
By extension shouldn't you conclude that you are wrong to claim the Obi's name is an Igbo name ?

5) Didn't some of you claim that Irabor was an Igbo name after General Irabor became chief of defense staff ? You had to be reminded that a person going by the name Frank Irabor was the head of the secretary of the Benin traditional council. Face the facts, you don't know what is or is not an Igbo name.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by gidgiddy: 4:17pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

His grandfather's name is (Obi Obika) Gbenoba.
Below is the picture of his grandfather.
I already made this argument, but as usual you guys run when you are proven wrong.
You claim the Obi's name is an igbo name, I don't know why his name would belong solely to Igbo, you guys keep forgetting that Uku Akpolokpolo is part of the name of the Oba of Benin. Anyways his grandfather's name is clearly Edo ! The same name as that of some of my family members in Benin city !

His Grandfathers name is Edo? While his name Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi is clearly Igbo. Someone should go and ask him where the confusion comes from. At what point did his family switch to Igbo names, and why?
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 4:33pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


His Grandfathers name is Edo? While his name Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi is clearly Igbo. Someone should go and ask him where the confusion comes from. At what point did his family switch to Igbo names, and why?
1) The name Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi is not more "Igbo sounding" than the name Uku Akpolokpolo.
2) you guys have no idea of the origins of names, you keep making unwise assumptions.
3) You clearly know nothing about the monarchy system outside of your south-east, in Benin empire, it is not a surprise that a monarch would not have the same name as his father, take a look at the Oba of Benin, his father's name was Erediawa and that is the surname of his siblings, but he goes by the name Ewuare and his children have Ewuare as surname.
4) why do you people in South-east just wake up one day and believe you know people better than the people know themselves? You people's ego is really too much!
You don't know a single thing about Agbor, yet you believe you can come and educate the people of Agbor on their history and identity!!?

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 4:37pm On Dec 31, 2022
...annoying people in the southeast.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Cantonese: 4:49pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

I'm not a historian, I only happen to not invent history. Unlike you and most people around you, I actually go to libraries and look at precolonial documents in Europe.
Unlike you I am actually educated in a field of science.
Unlike you I didn't get my thinking compromised by the masses of uneducated Nigerian bigots.
Unlike you, I know it is not about "how it sounds" but rather about "is it true, let me see evidence".
Unlike you, I grew up around educated people, not illiterates.

Educated man, please clap for yourself. We know that empty barrels make the most noise.

Once again I advise you to read your initial comment. That comment made no sense.

Going to libraries to read without proper research, allows you display ignorance in such weighty matters. Historians do not just read books, they spend more of their time researching and producing the information that you read.

Your arrogance, boasting and braggadocio still have not addressed the point discussed. That you are surrounded by educated people still is not evidence of your knowledge of the issue. Those who possess secondary education are also known as educated people. Those who have passed through universities, with nothing in their heads, also claim to be educated.

Young man historians seek facts and evidence from uneducated people also. Uneducated people hand down what we know in history as “oral tradition”. The reason simply is because they can neither read nor write. Their lack of education does not remove the fact of the evidence that they possess.

Keep your boasting and talk about how it is that the Agbors’ are either Binis or Igbos. That’s the point.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by gidgiddy: 4:54pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

1) The name Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi is not more "Igbo sounding" than the name Uku Akpolokpolo.
2) you guys have no idea of the origins of names, you keep making unwise assumptions.
3) You clearly know nothing about the monarchy system outside of your south-east, in Benin empire, it is not a surprise that a monarch would not have the same name as his father, take a look at the Oba of Benin, his father's name was Erediawa and that is the surnnsme of his siblings, but he goes by the name Ewuare and his children have Ewuare as surname.
4) why do you people in South-east just wake up one day and believe they know people better than the people know themselves? You people's ego is really too much!
You don't know a single thing about Agbor, yet you believe you can come and educate the people of Agbor on their history and identity!!?

Uku Akpolokpolo means nothing in Igbo. Can you tell us what "Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi" means in Edo language? Or do you want me to tell you what it means in Igbo
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:00pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


Uku Akpolokpolo means nothing in Igbo. Can you tell us what "Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi" means in Edo language? Or do you want me to tell you what it means in Igbo
Oh so you think I was born yesterday? You want to play this silly game ? Ok
1) how do you know that Uku Akpolokpolo has no meaning in Igbo ?
2) isn't Uku part of the name ikechukwu ?
3) I guess you have suddenly abandoned the word Ukwu/Uku just to win an argument. Answer both questions above.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:07pm On Dec 31, 2022
On case you haven't noticed, your silly 60IQ tricks and arguments don't work on me.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by gidgiddy: 5:10pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

Oh so you think I was born yesterday? You want to play this silly game ? Ok
1) how do you know that Uku Akpolokpolo has no meaning in Igbo ?
2) isn't You part of the name ikexhukwu ?
3) I guess you have suddenly abandoned the word Ukwu/ You just to win an argument. Answer both questions above.

Tell us what "Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi" means in Edo language
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Cantonese: 5:11pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:

Why do you keep denying your canibal ancestry identity ?
If you are so desperate for land then try your luck with English speaking Cameroonians whom are actually close to you in terms of history and somewhat ethnicity.

How I hate when someone comes from an other place and just believes he knows you better than you know yourself! He puts the label of his so called tribe upon you as if you were his slave and he wants you to take it and shvt up. Southeasterners are just crazy. Even your tribe was created by the British from a bunch of cannibal tribes who lived in a small piece of land.



I just laugh at you, young fellow.

Why are you beating about the bush? The question is: how is it that the Agbors are not Igbos? How are they Binis?

May I ask further to that: how is it the Governor Ifeanyi Okowa lays claim as the PDP candidate of Igbo origin, seeing that he is a respected Agbor son? Bear in mind that at several fora, Gov Okowa has openly maintained that he is an Igbo man.

Note once again that your arrogance and wrong choice of words, have not in anyway produced the needed facts.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:11pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


Tell us what "Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi" means in Edo language
1)Look you don't give orders !
2) if you want me to answer your question then first answer mine.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:17pm On Dec 31, 2022
Cantonese:




I just laugh at you, young fellow.

Why are you beating about the bush? The question is: how is it that the Agbors are not Igbos? How are they Binis?

May I ask further to that: how is it the Governor Ifeanyi Okowa lays claim as the PDP candidate of Igbo origin, seeing that he is a respected Agbor son? Bear in mind that at several fora, Gov Okowa has openly maintained that he is an Igbo man.

Note once again that your arrogance and wrong choice of words, have not in anyway produced the needed facts.
My evidence:
1) the pictures below
2) since you guys love to identify ethnicity with name similarity: the name of the grand father of the current Obi of Agbor is Gbenoba
3) Okowa (a politician) can make any political claim of ethnicity as he feels his political ambitions need, he speaks his opinion or his political interests, history is not based on opinions, it is based on evidence. If Okowa wants, he can even claim he is Hausa, who cares.

Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:29pm On Dec 31, 2022
gidgiddy:


Uku Akpolokpolo means nothing in Igbo. Can you tell us what "Ikechukwu Keagborekuzi" means in Edo language? Or do you want me to tell you what it means in Igbo

Ghostwon821:

Oh so you think I was born yesterday? You want to play this silly game ? Ok
1) how do you know that Uku Akpolokpolo has no meaning in Igbo ?
2) isn't Uku part of the name ikechukwu ?
3) I guess you have suddenly abandoned the word Ukwu/Uku just to win an argument. Answer both questions above.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by Nobody: 5:48pm On Dec 31, 2022
Also the Oba of Benin in 1915 answered the name "Eweka" which many have likened to "Emeka".
Your have no argument.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 5:59pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Keep quiet! I'm from Ika and Igbos are our closest relatives culturally
You are now Ika grin

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:05pm On Dec 31, 2022
Igbo never existed as one tribe before Nigeria
So this pretence of an Igbo nation.igbo language or igbo names is self deception
When the slave trade ended there was an oversupply of erstwhile slaves who started to identify as Igbo AFTER the slave trade ended
If you talk of Igbo language talk of it as a LINGUA FRANCA of slaves just like Hausa language in northern Nigeria

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 6:07pm On Dec 31, 2022
Are you just knowing? I'm Ika from Delta State and I'm Igbo!
omonnakoda:
You are now Ika grin
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:10pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
Are you just knowing? I'm Ika from Delta State and I'm Igbo!
youdoneminnit
I thought you were Ikwerre

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Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 6:14pm On Dec 31, 2022
I'm not Ikwerre, Ika in Delta State.
omonnakoda:
youdoneminnit
I thought you were Ikwerre
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by omonnakoda: 6:17pm On Dec 31, 2022
DMerciful:
I'm not Ikwerre, Ika in Delta State.
Ika people even deny Igbo more than Ikwerre
Where is Sunday Oliseh from
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by 43Ronin: 6:24pm On Dec 31, 2022
Ghostwon821:
Also the Oba of Benin in 1915 answered the name "Eweka" which many have likened to "Emeka".
Your have no argument.
Breathe bro... tribalism and hate for igbo is beclouding your senses. Agbor people will never deny being igbo. I have met many of them and they speak igbo fluently. Eweka, akpolokpolo are not igbo names, do not sound alike and do not have same meaning. Guy its very simple, if they are not igbo, then they would not speak igbo language, have igbo names, have igbo titles for their traditional rulers & identify as being igbos. And what's the proof that the pics u posted is the king of agbor.
Re: The Origin Of Agbor And The Obi Of Agbor by DMerciful(m): 6:30pm On Dec 31, 2022
Yes some but not all of us. I'm too exposed to hold unto tribal nonsense. Life expectancy is too short to be holding unto that besides if you consider the size of Earth in the universe and considering the whole of humanity is in the pale blue dot, we have no reason to be fighting. I'm not even in Nigeria and to see how people from different countries live happily together here while my country people keep hating on one another is pitiable
omonnakoda:
Ika people even deny Igbo more than Ikwerre
Where is Sunday Oliseh from

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