Patchesagain:


No, its 30km in standard operating conditions.

And Nigeria does not have Base-Bleed, so its actually 27km

10 km short of the G5 and G6

You are a confused man, and CANNOT be trusted, you have quoted 3 different ranges for Bofors with standard shell.


You changed from 20km, to 24km, now 27km. So which is which? You don't know anything about Bofors artillery, please shutt up

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mzilakazi:
I quote the same source as agaugust which proves that G6 can fire up to 67 km.




http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1207.html

DONE!!

CASE CLOSED!!

Augugubug says Army-Guide is 100% correct!!

We have a max range of 67km

End of story

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[size=16pt]Anyway, the Indian man said range is 42km at high altitude, so which one is at high altitude?

The gun or the target?

All photos show the gun at bottom of mountains on level ground, while the gun barrel points to high altitude mountain targets.

The only meaning is that the gun is on low altitude firing at target on high altitude 41km away !

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agaugust:


You are a confused man, and CANNOT be trusted, you have quoted 3 different ranges for Bofors with standard shell.


You changed from 20km, to 24km, now 27km. So which is which? You don't know anything about Bofors artillery, please shutt up

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Depends on the ammunition type


Standard HE is actually a max range of 24km

Unlike the FH-77A the ammunition system of the FH-77B is based on a bagged charge system which enables a wide range of 155 mm ammunition to be fired, including the following main types of projectile: BAE Systems Bofors HE M/77 B, which is a high-capacity shell weighing 42.6 kg and containing 8 kg of TNT or Composition B. This has a maximum range of 24,000 m when fired from the FH-77B howitzer. The round is fully compatible with all Western-manufactured guns and internationally adopted fuzes.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

I made a mistake and quoted max range with ERFB Base Bleed which is 27km... and then there is HEER Base Bleed with 30km

All of which is irrelevant, you have no Base Bleed

Patchesagain:


DONE!!

CASE CLOSED!!

Augugubug says Army-Guide is 100% correct!!

We have a max range of 67km

End of story

Nope I didnt say that, army guide says V-LAP rocket shell range is 67km, but SANDF says they dont have V-LAP, the best shell South African army has is base bleed with maximum range only 38km

SANDF is final authority like Indian army

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I don't know why should we keep on entertaining @Agaugust argument because all that he speaks about is Indian FH-77B which has gone upgrading process to extend its range. The Swedish FH77B as well differ with those of India. Even though Nigeria might be having similar Indian FH77B, the question that remain is " Do they have the same specs as their Indian counterpart?" The man keep on and on about Indian artillery. India would have not come to SA to buy T6 and T5-52 if they had better artillery.


http://www.military-today.com/artillery/t5_52.htm

agaugust:
Anyway, the Indian man said range is 42km at altitude, so which one is at altitude?

The gun or the target?

All photos show the gun at bottom of mountains on level ground, while the gun barrel points to high altitude mountain targets.

The only meaning is that the gun is on low altitude firing at target on high altitude 41km away !

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No, the gun is at high altitude - its in the middle of a mountain range

agaugust:


Nope I didnt say that, army guide says V-LAP rocket shell range is 67km, but SANDF says they dont have V-LAP, the best shell South African army has is base bleed with maximum range only 38km

SANDF is final authority like Indian army

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So if the Indian army is the final authority you agree that the max range for the FH77B is 30km in standard operating conditions?

agaugust:


You are a confused man, and CANNOT be trusted, you have quoted 3 different ranges for Bofors with standard shell.


You changed from 20km, to 24km, now 27km. So which is which? You don't know anything about Bofors artillery, please shutt up

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Depends on the ammunition type

According to Army Guide max range is 24km using standard HE ammunition and Charge 9.

I made the mistake of quoting the wrong ammunition type (an older BB charge)

agaugust:


Nope I didnt say that, army guide says V-LAP rocket shell range is 67km, but SANDF says they dont have V-LAP, the best shell South African army has is base bleed with maximum range only 38km

SANDF is final authority like Indian army

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Yes, the SANDF says that max range with Base Bleed is 38km

Does it say we do not have VLAP?

No.

Max range is over 50km with VLAP

The Indian Army bought T6 and T5-52 in SA, proudly manufactured by DENEL. Are the Indian stupid to have made that purchase.



http://www.military-today.com/artillery/t5_52.htm


http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1270.html

[size=15pt]HAHAHAH!!! THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

AFTER MANY MONTHS OF RUMORS WHICH LEAD CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM AND CERTAIN BLOGGERS TO CLAIM NIGERIA WAS GOING TO ACQUIRE ADVANCED 4TH GEN FIGHTERS... THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!!

NIGERIA IS SIMPLY ACQUIRING SH!TTY SCORPION JETS!!!

NO TUCANO's! NO SU-30's! NO JF-17 THUNDERS!!

REBEL WORTHY AIRCRAFT FOR A REBEL WORTHY AIRFORCE!![/size]

The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is looking to buy 12 Scorpion jets from Textron AirLand to equip a single squadron in order to fight the Boko Haram insurgency gripping the country.

Air Vice Marshal Rufus A Ojuawo, the director of operations for the Nigerian Air Force, said the NAF wants and needs the Scorpion and that a formal request to buy could be made soon. He was speaking at the IQPC Fighter Conference in London yesterday, the Wall Street Journal reports.

“We are really handicapped in attacking the enemy where we want,” Ojuawo said. “We need capabilities for a timely response.” The NAF uses seven Mi-24 attack helicopters for counter-insurgency operations as well as 11 F-7 fighter jets, 21 L-39ZA Albatros, 12 MB-339 and 12 Alpha Jet trainer/light attack aircraft. However, the majority of these aircraft are several decades old and have been worn down by attrition. The F-7s are unable to carry precision guided air to surface weapons while the country’s ATR 72 surveillance aircraft are able to detect insurgent activity but not deploy weapons.

Ojuawo told IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly that the Air Force has obsolete equipment with low serviceability rates and that it needs a rapid response capability with concentrated firepower. He added that the NAF would shortly argue the Scorpion’s case with the government in the hope of initially buying a squadron’s worth of aircraft and possibly more in the future.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37048:nigeria-looking-to-buy-scorpion-jets&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

There you have it!

The Nigerian Arifroce:

- cannot deploy precision weapons
- is largely obsolete (confirmed)
- has low serviceability
- only has 7 Mi-24's operational

South Africa's 4 ART battalion will destroy all Nigeria's artillery battery in just few minutes. I doubt if they will even be able to stand an hour.

mzilakazi:
South Africa's 4 ART battalion will destroy all Nigeria's artillery battery in just few minutes. I doubt if they will even be able to stand an hour.

LOL

patches689:
[size=15pt]HAHAHAH!!! THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!

AFTER MANY MONTHS OF RUMORS WHICH LEAD CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM AND CERTAIN BLOGGERS TO CLAIM NIGERIA WAS GOING TO ACQUIRE ADVANCED 4TH GEN FIGHTERS... THE TRUTH HAS COME OUT!!

NIGERIA IS SIMPLY ACQUIRING SH!TTY SCORPION JETS!!!

NO TUCANO's! NO SU-30's! NO JF-17 THUNDERS!!

REBEL WORTHY AIRCRAFT FOR A REBEL WORTHY AIRFORCE!![/size]

The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is looking to buy 12 Scorpion jets from Textron AirLand to equip a single squadron in order to fight the Boko Haram insurgency gripping the country.

Air Vice Marshal Rufus A Ojuawo, the director of operations for the Nigerian Air Force, said the NAF wants and needs the Scorpion and that a formal request to buy could be made soon. He was speaking at the IQPC Fighter Conference in London yesterday, the Wall Street Journal reports.

“We are really handicapped in attacking the enemy where we want,” Ojuawo said. “We need capabilities for a timely response.” The NAF uses seven Mi-24 attack helicopters for counter-insurgency operations as well as 11 F-7 fighter jets, 21 L-39ZA Albatros, 12 MB-339 and 12 Alpha Jet trainer/light attack aircraft. However, the majority of these aircraft are several decades old and have been worn down by attrition. The F-7s are unable to carry precision guided air to surface weapons while the country’s ATR 72 surveillance aircraft are able to detect insurgent activity but not deploy weapons.

Ojuawo told IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly that the Air Force has obsolete equipment with low serviceability rates and that it needs a rapid response capability with concentrated firepower. He added that the NAF would shortly argue the Scorpion’s case with the government in the hope of initially buying a squadron’s worth of aircraft and possibly more in the future.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=37048:nigeria-looking-to-buy-scorpion-jets&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

There you have it!

The Nigerian Arifroce:

- cannot deploy precision weapons
- is largely obsolete (confirmed)
- has low serviceability
- only has 7 Mi-24's operational

Unbelievable!!! Scorpion fighters. Nah, nah, nah, nah. This Nigerian military is slowly reducing into ragtag force. Damn, how will these people ever stand SANDF offensive? I doubt if they will ever repel it. Their air defence is very weak, I mean they are weak at every link.

andrewza:
Because many times the Nigerians are routed or forced to withdraw from a major stragic objective.And Nigeria is fighting BH sa fought Germany.I all so tend to keeping my mocking on this very thread,but even here I await the fully story.I mean I could start mocking at how Nigeria lost another attack chopper in a fatal crash.But instead I will say NAF is run by morons for waisting money on buying one of the best transport choppers in a VIP transport role.

losing choppers during a campaign or even during training,isnt a strange thing in the military.France,USA and others lose drones and jets virtually every month against ISIS.their is nothing to mock about our war against boko haram,we are winning,not being "relieved" by the british.contrary to your misguided opinion,we didnt waste any money buying useless aircrafts,we bought the aircrafts that we needed,unlike the SAAF,who despite their paltry number of aircrafts,neither has the manpower nor aviation fuel to fly them.

EVarn:
losing choppers during a campaign or even during training,isnt a strange thing in the military.France,USA and others lose drones and jets virtually every month against ISIS.their is nothing to mock about our war against boko haram,we are winning,not being "relieved" by the british.contrary to your misguided opinion,we didnt waste any money buying useless aircrafts,we bought the aircrafts that we needed,unlike the SAAF,who despite their paltry number of aircrafts,neither has the manpower nor aviation fuel to fly them.

@Evarn, go and sit down boss, you really do not have a military at all. No wonder, civilians are helping your military because they have realised something problematic within your force. However, let me remind you that your military can never stand before SANDFs way. We can crush it and colonise the whole of Nigeria.

One thing that I am certain about is that SA has a powerful artillery that can even send the children of Pharaoh home. Even during those years of the bush war, Russia and Cuba knew that SA possessed a massive artillery that could send back any strong force in the world packing. That was the artillery that protected the borders of SA.

andrewza:

And in the case of France the SA forces did both. Though the brige has a whole only did one.Hence SA did not retreat. Sure a few solders here and there did. But when germany invaded France in WW2 there where cases where germany forces all so retreted. In fact the french CHA2B tanks out gunned and armoured the german tanks and could did force germans forces to retreat. But the battloins, brigads, divstion and Army groups has a whole never retreated.

you make me smile love,even you know that over a quater of your most vaunted brigade fled the battle in france,do not preach petty sentiments to me.though the SAB initially secured and held delville,german forces later pushed the south africans from the south of delville up north with constant bombardment that killed over half of your men.the invasion of france was another thing entirely,adolf hitler was a very arrogant man,a mistake that he paid dearly for,if germany hadnt antagonized USSR,history would have been different

EVarn:
you make me smile love,even you know that over a quater of your most vaunted brigade fled the battle in france,do not preach petty sentiments to me.though the SAB initially secured and held delville,german forces later pushed the south africans from the south of delville up north with constant bombardment that killed over half of your men.the invasion of france was another thing entirely,adolf hitler was a very arrogant man,a mistake that he paid dearly for,if germany hadnt antagonized USSR,history would have been different

In conclusion of everything else, the German were bitterly defeated by only SA forces in Namibia and left the country. SA then took Namibia as a trophy.

EVarn:
you make me smile love,even you know that over a quater of your most vaunted brigade fled the battle in france,do not preach petty sentiments to me.though the SAB initially secured and held delville,german forces later pushed the south africans from the south of delville up north with constant bombardment that killed over half of your men.the invasion of france was another thing entirely,adolf hitler was a very arrogant man,a mistake that he paid dearly for,if germany hadnt antagonized USSR,history would have been different

I guess you missed the part where our Brigade destroyed a German division in the process

I guess the fact that the Brigade should be pushed back by a Division is also lost on you

mzilakazi:

@Evarn, go and sit down boss, you really do not have a military at all. No wonder, civilians are helping your military because they have realised something problematic within your force. However, let me remind you that your military can never stand before SANDFs way. We can crush it and colonise the whole of Nigeria.

you must be high on some kind of imported weed,if you think the SANDF,that is one half filled with old senile dingbats who can practically smell their graves and another half filled with HIV infested s.ex maniacs,can "crush" the nigerian army of over 210,000 fresh and strong young men who are ready to pump your brains full of lead.you must really be desperate to "colonize" nigeria,perhaps to greedily loot our soil,but you know what amuses me?,no?,what amuses me most is that you cant even take on boko haram,talk less of the NA.where was this stiff necked nose-in-the-air arrogance when castro forced you to your knees to beg for a cease-fire?,clown.

EVarn:
you must be high on some kind of imported weed,if you think the SANDF,that is one half filled with old senile dingbats who can practically smell their graves and another half filled with HIV infested s.ex maniacs,can "crush" the nigerian army of over 210,000 fresh and strong young men who are ready to pump your brains full of lead.you must really be desperate to "colonize" nigeria,perhaps to greedily loot our soil,but you know what amuses me?,no?,what amuses me most is that you cant even take on boko haram,talk less of the NA.where was this stiff necked nose-in-the-air arrogance when castro forced you to your knees to beg for a cease-fire?,clown.

Nigerian military has a strength of 130 000 men and even Lesotho will crash it without any resistance. Your military is equipment less.

mzilakazi:




In conclusion of everything else, the German were bitterly defeated by only SA forces in Namibia and left the country. SA then took Namibia as a trophy.

what part of the khalahari did you emerge from?,what height of the drakensberg did you descend from?....germany is thousands of km away from namibia,while SA is practically in the same region!,and to add to the matter,germany was fighting a battle against the allied forces in europe!,of course these were enough to make germany loose hold on the african continent.the same way ethiopia was able to repel italian forces,because of the war in europe and north africa.catfish.

EVarn:
what part of the khalahari did you emerge from?,what height of the drakensberg did you descend from?....germany is thousands of km away from namibia,while SA is practically in the same region!,and to add to the matter,germany was fighting a battle against the allied forces in europe!,of course these were enough to make germany loose hold on the african continent.the same way ethiopia was able to repel italian forces,because of the war in europe and north africa.catfish.

That's, untrue. My great, great grandfather fought in that battle. It was not just him but thousands of SA.

patches689:


I guess you missed the part where our Brigade destroyed a German division in the process

I guess the fact that the Brigade should be pushed back by a Division is also lost on you

nonsense,the germans werent even focused on the delville battle!,that you managed to catch the germans of guard in the initial assault does not prove anything,nearly the whole of your brigade was wiped out in the end.

EVarn:
nonsense,the germans werent even focused on the delville battle!,that you managed to catch the germans of guard in the initial assault does not prove anything,nearly the whole of your brigade was wiped out in the end.

You are wasting our time wena. The German lost and that is what is fact.

mzilakazi:



Nigerian military has a strength of 130 000 men and even Lesotho will crash it without any resistance. Your military is equipment less.

havent we discussed and closed this chapter before?!,dont disgrace yourself with ignorance.morgana's b_oobs!,how will lesotho even win against just 50 of our soldiers?,you're indeed a clown.

EVarn:
havent we discussed and closed this chapter before?!,dont disgrace yourself with ignorance.morgana's b_oobs!,how will lesotho even win against just 50 of our soldiers?,you're indeed a clown.

BH defeat over 300 soldiers every time, so Lesotho which is better armed than BH will do much better. They will even defeat you.

mzilakazi:

That's, untrue. My great, great grandfather fought in that battle. It was not just him but thousands of SA.

and pray tell me,how would you know if this "great,great grandfather" of yours fought in the namibian war?.i guess your great great grandfather didnt tell you that SA was more likely to win due to the crisis in germany{and the distance between germany and namibia},so it wasnt due to the power,strength or skill of he and his colleagues{your soldiers}.period.

patches689:


No, the gun is at high altitude - its in the middle of a mountain range

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Show us proof of the exact altitude of the artillery gun in your photo, how many meters or kilometers above sea level ?

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