Very well my brother,
Act like it.
AM not fighting today. Care to share a joke or something?

Bidam:
Who? that's a laff! am as cool as cucumber, who has an issue with God's tithe? definitely not me.

vooks:

Very well my brother,
Act like it.
AM not fighting today. Care to share a joke or something?

What kind of joke? about your accident?

Did I tell you I was so calm, pulse never went up. That has disturbed me endlessly. I was expecting fear and panic. Nothing. Please don't joke about that. My relations got hurt slightly, ride is in the garage, Insurance footing all the bills

Bidam:
What kind of joke? about your accident?

We don't have an issue with God's tithe.

What we have an issue with is man taking God's tithe and making it a tithe that God never authorized it to be in His Word.

Change the truth, even by a small percentage, it is no longer the truth. God said The tithes that were to go to the House of God were 1% of the nation's agricultural produce. Man says the tithes that are to go to the House of God are 10% of one's monetary gain, thereby exchanging the Word of Truth for a lie and then feeding that lie to whomsoever will accept the lie as truth.

Sadly, many who do not study the Word of God fall for the lie of the monetary tithe requirement doctrine.

vooks:
Did I tell you I was so calm, pulse never went up. That has disturbed me endlessly. I was expecting fear and panic. Nothing. Please don't joke about that. My relations got hurt slightly, ride is in the garage, Insurance footing all the bills

Ok, sorry about that. back to topic, do you believe prophet malachi was inspired by the Holy Spirit?

MarkMiwerds:
We don't have an issue with God's tithe.

What we have an issue with is man taking God's tithe and making it a tithe that God never authorized it to be in His Word.

Change the truth, even by a small percentage, it is no longer the truth. God said The tithes that were to go to the House of God were 1% of the nation's agricultural produce. [Man says the tithes that are to go to the House of God are 10% of one's monetary gain thereby exchanging the Word of Truth for a lie and then feeding that lie to whomsoever will accept the lie as truth.

Sadly, many who do not study the Word of God fall for the lie of the monetary tithe requirement doctrine.

God never said tithe should be only agric. Did Abraham your father based his tithe on agric?

Bidam:
God never said tithe should be only agric. Did Abraham your father based his tithe on agric?

There is nowhere in the Scriptures prior to the Law that says God even required a tithe. We've been through that before.

Nevertheless, once God established the Law, He instituted specific instructions concerning His holy tithe. It was to be agricultural. Unless you can provide a Scripture after the Law that says God amended His tithe to a tithe of money, then we cannot say God's tithe is money.

If we wanted to follow Abram's tithe,

1. It would not be to the House of God. (there was no House of God during that era)
2. It would be of the spoils of war.
3. It would be to a king in a pagan land. (Canaan was not yet inhabited by God's chosen people)

[quote author=MarkMiwerds post=28215042]There is nowhere in the Scriptures prior to the Law that says God even required a tithe. We've been through that before.

Ok, according to the gospel of markmiwerds.

Nevertheless, once God established the Law, He instituted specific instructions concerning His holy tithe. It was to be agricultural. Unless you can provide a Scripture after the Law that says God amended His tithe to a tithe of money, then we cannot say God's tithe is money.

When Jesus told nicodemus he must be born of water and spirit, does it apply to you?

I don't believe, I know so

Bidam:
Ok, sorry about that. back to topic, do you believe prophet malachi was inspired by the Holy Spirit?

MarkMiwerds:
If we wanted to follow Abram's tithe,

1. It would not be to the House of God. (there was no House of God during that era)
2. It would be of the spoils of war.
3. It would be to a king in a pagan land. (Canaan was not yet inhabited by God's chosen people)

Scripture says no one has seen God. Are you telling us Melchizedek is a pagan king?

[quote author=Bidam post=28215287][/quote]So you are telling me that there is a requirement for tithes prior to the Law written in the Scriptures? Please provide the Scripture that says this requirement existed.

The Apostle Paul spoke to the Gentile Church of the "washing of water by the Word". Also, we are told of the saving power of the Spirit of God in the epistles.

Bidam:
Scripture says no one has seen God. Are you telling us Melchizedek is a pagan king?

melchizedek was a righteous king in a pagan land.

vooks:
I don't believe, I know so

Was Malachi written for you? Since you agree all scripture was inspired by the Holy Ghost.

Of course it was written for me. Do you believe it was written for you?

Bidam:
Was Malachi written for you? Since you agree all scripture was inspired by the Holy Ghost.

MarkMiwerds:
So you are telling me that there is a requirement for tithes prior to the Law written in the Scriptures? Please provide the Scripture that says this requirement existed.

The Apostle Paul spoke to the Gentile Church of the "washing of water by the Word". Also, we are told of the saving power of the Spirit of God in the epistles.

Do you look up to Abraham your father or is it Paul you look up to?

MarkMiwerds:
melchizedek was a righteous king in a pagan land.

Is Salem a pagan land? How can a righteous king be in a pagan land.

vooks:
Of course it was written for me. Do you believe it was written for you?

It was written both for me and to me.

Bidam:
Do you look up to Abraham your father or is it Paul you look up to?

neither. I look up to Christ. I read both Testaments and hold to truths written in both.

MarkMiwerds:
neither. I look up to Christ. I read both Testaments and hold to truths written in both.

Ok, you are calling God a liar when he told you to look up to Abraham your father abi?

Bidam:
Is Salem a pagan land? How can a righteous king be in a pagan land.

the Bible says we have been made kings and Priests made righteous through Jesus Christ., and yet we are in a pagan land. And Jesus Christ, King of kings took up residence for 33 years in this sinful world.

Bidam:
Ok, you are calling God a liar when he told you to look up to Abraham your father abi?

no, I am not calling God a liar.

There is only one verse in the Bible that says to look to Abraham...

Isaiah 51:2 (KJV)
Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah [that] bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.

God was not speaking to Gentiles there. He was speaking to Israel.

MarkMiwerds:
the Bible says we have been made kings and Priests made righteous through Jesus Christ., and yet we are in a pagan land. And Jesus Christ, King of kings took up residence for 33 years in this sinful world.

Is Salem a pagan land? yes or no will suffice thanks.

MarkMiwerds:
no, I am not calling God a liar.

Ok.

Bidam:
Is Salem a pagan land? yes or no will suffice thanks.

it is obvious that it is pagan now. It was pagan in Abram's day also. There was a time during the Law when it was not pagan. But the Israelites began doing ungodly things and the land became pagan again.

MarkMiwerds:
it is obvious that it is pagan now. It was pagan in Abram's day also. There was a time during the Law when it was not pagan. But the Israelites began doing ungodly things and the land became pagan again.

Can you quote where the bible call it a pagan land?

Bidam:
Can you quote where the bible call it a pagan land?

While the word "pagan" is not in the Bible, pagan practices can be seen to have been in Jerusalem.

Malachi 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god. (Mal 2:11 KJV)

2 Chronicles 34:1 Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem one and thirty years.
2 Chronicles 34:2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, and walked in the ways of David his father, and declined neither to the right hand, nor to the left.
2 Chronicles 34:3 For in the eighth year of his reign, while he was yet young, he began to seek after the God of David his father: and in the twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images.
2 Chronicles 34:4 And they brake down the altars of Baalim in his presence; and the images, that were on high above them, he cut down; and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images, he brake in pieces, and made dust of them, and strowed it upon the graves of them that had sacrificed unto them.
2 Chronicles 34:5 And he burnt the bones of the priests upon their altars, and cleansed Judah and Jerusalem.

2 Kings 23:5 And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.

Notice in 2 Chronicles that Josiah had to purge the "high places" in Jerusalem.

MarkMiwerds:
While the word "pagan" is not in the Bible, pagan practices can be seen to have been in Jerusalem.




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Since you confessed salem is not pagan, i don't need you quoting irrelevancy, Salem maybe in the moon for all you care thanks.

MarkMiwerds:
no, I am not calling God a liar.


God was not speaking to Gentiles there. He was speaking to Israel.

Is Abraham your father? yes or no?

Bidam:
No, you don't get it. I am just bored and tired of disgruntled and frustrated folks who opened tithes threads and take it out on tithers. This thread wasn't opened yesterday, the question is why the fixation on only tithes? why not go and sort it out with God himself. I wouldn't have bothered commenting here if my monikker wasn't mentioned on countless occasion with attacks and bile on my person. Atleast the bible admonish us to be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, and you can see who is asking questions in an arrogant and rudeless manner as if i am accountable to him because i give tithes. Coming from a muslim background is not the issue here, i stated it to defend my stance on the fact that i have not seen any pastor rain curses on those who don't tithe.

What i have gleaned on this forum since i came in is that tithing maybe a preeminent doctrine in some of these folks churches hence their bitterness and frustration. Maybe due to the way pastors in their churches demand tithes which i perceive is more out of a desire for, or a perceive right to income rather than a welfare of the church.

In their churches, pastors use manipulation and fear to motivate them to give and the misapplication of this teaching has in many cases divided the people of God and so in this case everyone is seeking his own good rather than the Body. I will advise you to prayerfully study scripture and see why God acknowledge some givings and reject some like that of cain and abel. Truth is one. God isn't interested in sacrifice of fools but the motive and the heart of the giver. Tithing is about worship to God whether it is 1%,10%,22% . Prayer is not compulsory,fasting is not compulsory,studying your bible is not compulsory, Going to church is not compulsory, no one is advocating you are going to hell when you do not put into practice these things. Bless you.

Bidam,I think you made some valueable points here though with some level of misunderstandability attached on your part.A good point you indeed made is that it is very good to give especially to the needy,and it does not matter what the percentage is so long as you have the capacity to do so.Nobody disagree with this at all.The only clearance antithithers need is full explanation from prothithers regarding tithing is simply why we chose to tithe as mordern day christians when our progenitors bluntly refused to carry out that instruction.The methods by which they got their income is totally different from the tithing being advocated today.Without taking anything personal,can you humbly explain to us why early christians did not tithe as is recorded in the bible?.Do you think they were right about this attitude or wrong?.Time changes every other thing yes we know,but does the bible and its content also give room for changes in events and activities as are recorded therein?. Please calmly explain if you can,possibly making use of quotations from the Gospel about how both jesus and the apostles raised money for the running of their ministries.Also important is for you to tell us why the apostles did not receive tithes like the Levite priests.If they didn't.why then must a 21st century pastor do?. Thanks as you explain this to all.

Bidam:
Is Abraham your father? yes or no?

Which "fatherhood" of Abraham are you asking after? Because the last time I checked in scriptures, Abraham is a TWO FOLD father in scriptures.

Goshen360:


Which "fatherhood" of Abraham are you asking after? Because the last time I checked in scriptures, Abraham is a TWO FOLD father in scriptures.

How? Is God also a TWO FOLD God in scriptures?