chysam:

I noticed one thing. All the pro-tithers are just giving us records of the judaism activities yet the claim to be christians and have died in christ. No one has ever for once said,Paul said or did,peter said,Mathew,luke,Mark John Timothy,Barnabas, ect ect said regarding tithes.Only mentioning moses,Abraham.Malachi ect.Pls are you people no longer christians?,if you are,give us accounts of these people I mentioned regarding tithes,then can we be perfectly convinced.Arguing this issue from the christian or gospel point of view is the most sincere and practically way of finding the truth or falsehood about tithes. Is anyone ready?

chysam:


Hmmm,you probably feel you are so vast about the events in the old testament.You even reminded God that since Abraham has titthed in behalf of the Levites,the Levites should also have tithed.My brother you can only tithe what you legally earned or worked for,and also eat of it.Read the story of Abraham again and see if this was applicable to him.Again you blasphemed and I think you need to ask God for forgiveness. Why must you evolve the theory about everything coming from the soil because you want to defend this scientific extortion?.Money was a legal tender then,doesn't God know that before specifically requiring agricultural produce?. Please watch your tongue ok?. Any way,we are no longer practioners of the Mosaic law,and thank God we are no longer under the curses of the OT. Neither are partakers of the practices of the judaism religion.We are now christ followers called christians. I would appreciate if you could cross over to the gospel accounts of jesus and his followers and also elaborately explain to all about how the raised the funds and managed their ministry just exactly the same way you described the activities in the OT.We want to see the correlation between the OT religious practices and the followers of christ,then you conclude by telling us where we should belong as true and not false christians. We are waiting.Please use gospel references and indicate areas where activities of tithing took place amongst the apostles.We need always remember that we are under oath to follow christ and behave exactly like him and nothing else.So judaism practices is no business of a christian. Any way just explain.we are listening.

Bidam:

Another fanatick on the loose. All i see in your post is an argument that borders on zeal and legalism, kindly go through the post of vooks and understand my response to him, i am never an advocate of what you erroneously accuse me of here.You are placing yourself as a judge over matters involving christian liberty to tithe which is as far as am concerned a form of giving. Your arguments borders on extremism and i will show you from scriptures.

[s]When the Corinthians wrote to Paul they asked, "What about these Christians who are eating meat offered to idols?" A group of them were upset about this and they wrote to the apostle, saying, "We don't think that is right; to us that is demon worship." But Paul wrote back and said, "Now be careful!" He said, in effect, "It would be the easiest thing in the world for me, as an apostle, simply to say, 'Yes, you are right, don't eat meat offered to idols,' but I am not going to say that.[/s] What I am going to say is that here is an area where each man must be fully persuaded in his own mind. You can't make rules for each other, [s]and you have to honor a weaker brother's conscience. If he is troubled by a certain action then don't flaunt your liberty in his presence, but be careful of one another and love each other. This is a graphical illustration of what your argument is plainly saying to us here. ][/s]

vooks:
Go easy my brother.
The biggest argument I have against tithing is IMPOSING the same and pronouncing curses on non-compliance.
See you can't possibly give without compulsion and as you purpose while am dictating how much you MUST give

Thank you for using the words in blue...Christian liberty
A believer who gives 10% out of discipline and habit is blessed. Another who gives 20% is blessed. Equally blessed is the other who gives arbitrally without regard to percentages

Bidam:
I agree, i do not agree tithers on this forum advocate such, most topics on tithes on this forum are opened by anti tithers and very few by tithers.No one is FORCING a christian to give. If he doesn't want to give that's between him and his God.

vooks:
My brother,
On another thread, somebody claimed that they caught HIV out of not giving Firstfruits. Can you say that anyone is forced to give Firstfruits?

I specifically asked anyone who believes failure to offer Firstfruits can lead to a believer contracting HIV and none came up. Why is this? These teachings are rife in CHURCHES but everybody is embarrassed about them so much that they don't talk about it. Likewise,nobody will admit to their MoG threatening curses on non-tithers but we both know these things are there.

So nobody is FORCED say at gunpoint to tithe but the tithing message presented in churches leave little to imagination; either you tithe or devourers finish you off and you end up in hell. So I'd say there is alot of spiritual blackmail practiced in giving/prosperity messages.

Bidam:
And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.

Bidam:
And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.

Bidam:
And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.

Bidam:
And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.

trustman:


Now, Bidam, are you really being truthful on this?
Will you say you've heard or read no person or church advocating tithe payment today 'threatening' believers with 'robbing God' and the eventual possibility of ending up in hell?
Or losing blessings or health, etc?

MarkMiwerds:
i have posted this more than once on this forum, so not sure why you haven't seen it?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmh_IF-eJQc

Also, google Angelica Zumbranos, she tells people that she saw people in hell for not tithing. If
I remember correctly, Richard Sigmund also preached non-tithers would go to hell because they are robbing God. Practically every tithe-teaching preacher I have ever known tells their congregations their health, jobs, families, homes, vehicles, etc., will be cursed for not tithing.

Bidam:
And i have not seen any so far, if they are threatened then it's wrong.

Bidam:

Another fanatick on the loose. All i see in your post is an argument that borders on zeal and legalism, kindly go through the post of vooks and understand my response to him, i am never an advocate of what you erroneously accuse me of here. You are placing yourself as a judge over matters involving christian liberty to tithe which is as far as am concerned a form of giving. Your arguments borders on extremism and i will show you from scriptures.

When the Corinthians wrote to Paul they asked, "What about these Christians who are eating meat offered to idols?" A group of them were upset about this and they wrote to the apostle, saying, "We don't think that is right; to us that is demon worship." But Paul wrote back and said, "Now be careful!" He said, in effect, "It would be the easiest thing in the world for me, as an apostle, simply to say, 'Yes, you are right, don't eat meat offered to idols,' but I am not going to say that. What I am going to say is that here is an area where each man must be fully persuaded in his own mind. You can't make rules for each other, and you have to honor a weaker brother's conscience. If he is troubled by a certain action then don't flaunt your liberty in his presence, but be careful of one another and love each other. This is a graphical illustration of what your argument is plainly saying to us here.

MarkMiwerds:
Listening to a Pastor Mike Hilson of New Life Church teaching that not tithing to God first, puts one in exile and under a curse.


If Bidam has never heard pastors preach curses for those who don't tithe, then the only conclusion I can arrive at is

1. He is deaf
or 2. He has never been to Church
or 3. He is secretly listening to mp3's while the pastor is preaching and therefore does not hear him.

MarkMiwerds:
Listening to a Pastor Mike Hilson of New Life Church teaching that not tithing to God first, puts one in exile and under a curse.


If Bidam has never heard pastors preach curses for those who don't tithe, then the only conclusion I can arrive at is

1. He is deaf
or 2. He has never been to Church
or 3. He is secretly listening to mp3's while the pastor is preaching and therefore does not hear him.

christemmbassey:
or HE IS A BIG LIAR!

trustman:


Now, Bidam, are you really being truthful on this?
Will you say you've heard or read no person or church advocating tithe payment today 'threatening' believers with 'robbing God' and the eventual possibility of ending up in hell?
Or losing blessings or health, etc?

shdemidemi:


Hmm.. Akiika!

PastorKun:


I am not surprised by the bolded statement coming from you, like your partner in crime image123 you are obviously a pathological liar.

MarkMiwerds:
Listening to a Pastor Mike Hilson of New Life Church teaching that not tithing to God first, puts one in exile and under a curse.


If Bidam has never heard pastors preach curses for those who don't tithe, then the only conclusion I can arrive at is

1. He is deaf
or 2. He has never been to Church
or 3. He is secretly listening to mp3's while the pastor is preaching and therefore does not hear him.

PastorKun:


or 4. He is a bare faced liar who would go to any extent to cover up the tithe fraud preached in churches today.

Bidam:


The gospel truth is i have not SEEN any so far. You folks can go chase the wind or shadow for all i care.

Bidam:


The gospel truth is i have not SEEN any so far. You folks can go chase the wind or shadow for all i care.

vooks:
My brother,
you may not have SEEN but have you HEARD or READ it anywhere?

trustman:


In that case, we may have to conclude that Mark, pastorkun and others have rightly labelled you.

Bidam:
Yes, from you and your cohorts. I came from a muslim background.

vooks:
Have you ever heard tithing taught from Malachi outside NL in a church?

Bidam:
Nope, should i be hopping from church to church to hear it?

vooks:
Have you ever heard tithing taught in church?

Bidam:
In the church i worship, tithing is taught as a voluntary form of giving.

vooks:
And in teaching tithing in your church Malachi is never used?

vooks:
And in teaching tithing in your church Malachi is never used?

MarkMiwerds:
Isn't it funny that Bidam says tithing is voluntary in his Church, yet he teaches if you don't tithe you are robbing God? LoL

https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds/17#20153067

MarkMiwerds:
Isn't it funny that Bidam says tithing is voluntary in his Church, yet he teaches if you don't tithe you are robbing God? LoL

https://www.nairaland.com/1540233/inviting-tithers-theological-discuss-miwerds/17#20153067

Bidam:
My thoughts on Mlachi is on this thread if you care to read them.

vooks:
And in teaching tithing in your church Malachi is never used?

Bidam:
My thoughts on Mlachi is on this thread if you care to read them.