agaugust:


Wasted post 100% Irrelevant, Nigeria does not hve BMP-1 you posted like a dullard.

We have BMP-2 and they are NOT the same....Olodo Domingo of Gauteng !
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Attach a proof.

agaugust:


NAF only bought F-7 jets as temporary measure while we are hunting for a 4th generation jet fighter, so from next year 4th generation jets will be flying for NAF. Equation balanced.

So, scorpion jets are 4th generation fighters.

patches689:


So you admit Boko Haram captured your ZSU?

Where did I say that? Nope.

All photos show Bokos ZSU-23 on Toyota or odd types with NO marking of NA on it.

Chad has been proved to be weapons source for Boko as well as Sudan and that proves what I said about Boko ZSU-23 looking odd
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mzilakazi:


see the attached sources: Mzilakazi never lie.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/world/africa/nigerian-villages-destruction-is-shown-in-photos.html

http://m.hrw.org/news/2013/05/01/nigeria-massive-destruction-deaths-military-raid


http://m.allafrica.com/stories/201305020872.html/

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-22366016

Show proof that those were damaged by NAF bombs, Boko and Nigerian army were using RPGs and Mortar artillery in those area.

Show impeccable proof that it was NAF bombs not army or Boko shells that did the damage.
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agaugust:


Your link is of 1980s F-7 jet. NAF, PAF, SAF, BAF are flying 2010 F-7 jets with 4the generation radar and missiles.

The SAAF Hawk jet of 2006 is the same as the Hawk jet of 1974, so SAAF flies an obsolete Hawk jet. Equation balanced
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Hawks differ in size and variant, but BMP-2 is a variant on its own that will not necessarily change.

andrewza:



You need to move after deploying smoke. And the ratel ingwe can riple fire Ingwe. All so the 20mm on ratel witch has a higher rate of fire than your 30mm(due to fumes) can pentrat a BMP at the same range it can penrtat a ratel


Since when does 4km beat 5km

BMP-2 has superior 5.5 km range 9M133 Kornet missiles, Ratel gets killed from distance
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agaugust:


LOL....the sorties were flown without hours, it was in seconds and minutes. LOL.

1,148 combat sorties in 2 months....is equal to 1,148 minutes abi? LOL. Domingo Durango

NAF is showing you gold sorties, you are asking for bronze hours.

SAAF has ZERO combat sorties in 20 years, SAAF is a DEAD air force become VIP transporters
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If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying hours in aviation industry, then I will suggest you drop this subject with immediate effect.

agaugust:


BMP-2 has superior 5.5 km range 9M133 Kornet missiles, Ratel gets killed from distance
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Kornet can only be fired from BMP-3, Lol!!!


However, Ratel can also kill BMP-3 because it has advantage of speed and flexibility, less reaction time and versatility.

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patches689:


Post your source

Why are you scared?

I have my ATR-42 330km radar range source posted many times on this forum, I said even @Andrewza dare not challenge me.

Now you have challenged me, post your own source and I promise to post mine again after yours, it's a battle between us, so I am challenging you to a fight, except you are afraid of me as usual, you tremble down to your boxers...Patrick the coward !

I got you into a big trap !

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patches689:


Nope

Only parts of the front of the vehical are protected against 20mm

Sides and rear can be penetrated by 20mm

Normal, even main battle tanks have far less armour on the sides and thicker armour on the front, check out most heavy tanks.

Then the frontal BMP-2 protection is against 23mm not 20mm, the same 23mm will tear all SANDF Ratel and Badger IFV into pieces.

You did't know that before you started writing garbage about BMP-2 armour. Fool !


http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-2_ifv_tracked_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html



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agaugust:


You have NO trap.

SANDF army official website NEVER claimed to have 1,000 Ratel ZT-3

There are hundreds of photos of Ratel showing most as gun armed NOT ZT-3 missile armed, so many Ratel versions, how many photos will the army ppst on webpage? Ten photos of one vehicle with different guns?

It is easy to just write one sentence "V-LAP 73km shell" after the 39km Base Bleed without overflowing the page with data, your army did NOT write it because they DON'T have it.

Defenseweb did NOT report that SANDF has it, NO source EVER says SANDF has it, ALL sources say it exists in DENEL test laboratory, one shell of V-LAP, one piece used for experiment, and no longer existing, no longer produced.

The Indian army officially displayed and declared they have Bofors FH-77B with 42km range, show us where South African army displayed and declared that they have V-LAP shell 73km range, we see or hear NONE !!

NOT mentioned as purchased NOT mentioned as still existing NOT mentioned as sold to any user, ONLY mentioned in a test laboratory.

#Show Us Photo of the V-LAP 73km shell in Existence with SANDF

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You said Military website is the only valid information.

SANDF website lists Ratel ZT3 as the only class of Ratel.

You have used outside sources to say that we have more classes.

Thus, you yourself confirm that the SANDF website is not the final say and that other sources must be considered.

Thank you

agaugust:


Show proof that those were damaged by NAF bombs, Boko and Nigerian army were using RPGs and Mortar artillery in those area.

Show impeccable proof that it was NAF bombs not army or Boko shells that did the damage.
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It shows that you didn't read the sources. Those houses were destroyed by straying bombs which fell from your fighter jets. The only mode of munition that your fighters can engage other than cannons. No PGMs and missiles, nothing.

Guys, this is what happens when you don't have Boko Haram.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAgFEDee0ew

Minute 9:00

agaugust:
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I have my ATR-42 330km radar range source posted many times on this forum, I said even @Andrewza dare not challenge me.

Now you have challenged me, post your own source and I promise to post mine again after yours, it's a battle between us, so I am challenging you to a fight, except you are afraid of me as usual, you tremble down to your boxers...Patrick the coward !

I got you into a big trap !

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Post your 330km range

Why are you scared?

agaugust:


Normal, even main battle tanks have far less armour on the sides and thicker armour on the front, check out most heavy tanks.

Then the frontal BMP-2 protection is against 23mm not 20mm, the same 23mm will tear all SANDF Ratel and Badger IFV into pieces.

You did't know that before you started writing garbage about BMP-2 armour. Fool !


http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-2_ifv_tracked_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html



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Side protection is only effective against 7.62

Meaning that Ratel will use superior mobility to catch the BMP-2 in enfilade fire and destroy it

And btw, you said that it had all round protection against 23mm... you have been exposed.

agaugust:


Where did I say that? Nope.

All photos show Bokos ZSU-23 on Toyota or odd types with NO marking of NA on it.

Chad has been proved to be weapons source for Boko as well as Sudan and that proves what I said about Boko ZSU-23 looking odd
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Lame excuse

agaugust:


Switzerland Europe. USA North America. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Malaysia etc world oil rich countries with air forces better than SAAF all want the Scorpion jet.

It is being marketed to them

But they are not desperate to buy it.

You said they were desperate to buy it. So show us where it says that

agaugust:


Your link is of 1980s F-7 jet. NAF, PAF, SAF, BAF are flying 2010 F-7 jets with 4the generation radar and missiles.

The SAAF Hawk jet of 2006 is the same as the Hawk jet of 1974, so SAAF flies an obsolete Hawk jet. Equation balanced
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cool, but the Hawk is not our primary combat platform.

Your F-7 is a copy of the Fishbed with *some* advanced electronics crammed inside of it.

The airframe is still a 40+ year design.

#Obsolete

agaugust:


LOL....the sorties were flown without hours, it was in seconds and minutes. LOL.

1,148 combat sorties in 2 months....is equal to 1,148 minutes abi? LOL. Domingo Durango

NAF is showing you gold sorties, you are asking for bronze hours.

SAAF has ZERO combat sorties in 20 years, SAAF is a DEAD air force become VIP transporters
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Again, that is cool.

But we want flight hours.

agaugust:


NAF only bought F-7 jets as temporary measure while we are hunting for a 4th generation jet fighter, so from next year 4th generation jets will be flying for NAF. Equation balanced.

Nope, equation unbalanced.

A-darter is going into production.

NAF is however stuck with F-7's with the only planned replacement being the sub-par Scorpion Jet

agaugust:


BMP-2 ATGM has longer range than Ratel's Ingwe, Fool !
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He is talking about penetration not range.

agaugust:


BMP-2 will use ordinary 30mm cannon to wreck your Ratel before after using smoke dispensers to waste your laser guided Ingwes.

The missile on BMP-2 has longer range than Ingwe missile on Ratel
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Nice.

Pity Nigeria doesnt have any.

agaugust:


Both will die equally in WVR combat, we both have short range missiles, we die together.

Nope, F-7 doesnt stand a chance against a Jet that is a generation ahead of it.

Vicker Mk.III Eagle tank

agaugust:


ATR-42 radios your precise GPS coordinates to artillery and you are near your expiry date already.

Nope, you need to go through radio relay's meaning that information is outdated by the time it reaches the artillery.

This is why real militarys buy data-link.

Radio fire controll is 1940's tech

agaugust:


BMP-2 has superior 5.5 km range 9M133 Kornet missiles, Ratel gets killed from distance
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Yet it sees 4000m

Vicker Mk. III Eagle tank

agaugust:


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Same way RPG will tear SANDF Ratel, Rooikat, and Badger IFV into pieces, you won't even see your soldiers' bodies to put in body bags.

BMP-2 weapons are superior to SANDF IFVs and BMP-2 can swim a river where Ratels and Badgers turn back to go home ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYU5rdPVcQw

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Badger is immune to RPG - as proven by Rosomak performance in Afghanistan

Rooikat and Ratel will not explode like that due to superior ammunition storage systems.

Russian equipment is not designed with survivability in mind. This is a well known fact

scorpion light tanks

agaugust:


Define target acquisition and name one of it's equipment.

Let's see how informed you are

Laser Designation.

Does your ATR have it?

No?

Ok.

EVarn:
Vicker Mk. III Eagle tank

Also known as Olifant food

EVarn:
scorpion light tanks

Also known as trash.

The 1960's called, they want their doctrine back