agaugust:


Normal, even main battle tanks have far less armour on the sides and thicker armour on the front, check out most heavy tanks.

Then the frontal BMP-2 protection is against 23mm not 20mm, the same 23mm will tear all SANDF Ratel and Badger IFV into pieces.

You did't know that before you started writing garbage about BMP-2 armour. Fool !


http://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_armoured_vehicle_uk/bmp-2_ifv_tracked_armoured_infantry_fighting_vehicle_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html



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Actualy combat experance has had the BMP pentrated on the frontal arc by 12.7mm fire.

There is a add on armour kit for the ratel that gives the frontal armour protecstion of up to 23mm

Face it the BMP serries is crapp. They get slaught in every war they fight in.

agaugust:


Where did I say that? Nope.

All photos show Bokos ZSU-23 on Toyota or odd types with NO marking of NA on it.

Chad has been proved to be weapons source for Boko as well as Sudan and that proves what I said about Boko ZSU-23 looking odd
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Video evidence shows BH capturing it from you.

But, the ZSU is not a threat to an advanced military.

Its a threat to the NAF... so what does that say about the NAF?

patches689:

Also known as trash.
The 1960's called, they want their doctrine back

Ngihleka izibunu zam zaphuma zahlephuka

patches689:


Nope ATR-42 has no target designation equipment

What is target designation equipment by definition and by example?
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andrewza:


You milltary spends all it's effort fighting rebels. SA trainins to fight nastions.

Okay, no wonder South Africa cannot defeat Seleka and Rhino poachers, your military can only fight against nations like the one you lost to Cuban girl soldiers
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patches689:

Also known as Olifant food

While not the best,the vicker Mk III is certainly a sophisticated war machine.its operates a 105-mm rifle,and loads up to 50 rounds of ammunition with a 450km range.it support a bulkload of varieties of NATO ammunitions,along with anti aircraft missiles.the vicker is one of the world best MBTs,even until now.

agaugust:


Okay, no wonder South Africa cannot defeat Seleka and Rhino poachers, your military can only fight against nations like the one you lost to Cuban girl soldiers
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#WastingData

EVarn:
While not the best,the vicker Mk III is certainly a sophisticated war machine.its operates a 105-mm rifle,and loads up to 50 rounds of ammunition with a 450km range.it support a bulkload of varieties of NATO ammunitions,along with anti aircraft missiles.the vicker is one of the world best MBTs,even until now.

Unstabilized gun, no modern FCS, no composite armor only RHS, no modern range finder

Its a terrible obsolete tank and it will be target practice for the olifant

agaugust:


What is target designation equipment by definition and by example?
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Does the ATR have laser designation?

agaugust:


BMP-2 has superior 5.5 km range 9M133 Kornet missiles, Ratel gets killed from distance
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There's a South African upgrade too which includes the Ingwe missile.

Nigeria doesn't have Kornet missiles.

patches689:

Also known as trash.
The 1960's called, they want their doctrine back

it has a 90mm gun,with a 2200m firing range.the scorpion light tank is quite effective.

andrewza:


And your 2 ATR will do this how. It will be under constined EW attack and attacked by gripens. All so it uses a sea survalnce radarfinding a G6 or G5 at max radar range will be imposbil.

You milltary spends all it's effort fighting rebels. SA trainins to fight nastions.

I just posted proof this morning that NAF ATR-42 has been doing ISTAR role perfectly against Boko Haram that hides among civilians in cities and without uniform or order of battle to identify them.

You sit down with a laptop to judge on internet how ATR-42 does ISTAR ops in land combat theatres, how will you know since the whole nation of South Africa has NEVER touched anything close to a NAF ATR-42 ultra-sophisticated aircraft in your entire national history.

NAF air Marshalls that owns and use the aircraft are final and best world recognised authority on ATR-42 capabilities in real life situations, even the Europeans that produced it are now inferior to NAF in user experience, so when NAF is talking about practicals, SANDF has to shutt up and listen !

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DieVluit:


Ngihleka izibunu zam zaphuma zahlephuka

lol

ActivateKruger:


If Gripens and Hawks were toys then that would be taken to consideration.

The Nigerian Air Force lost 3 aircrafts

Only 3 losses after NAF flew combat 1,148 times in 60 days. USAF don't fly safer, they crash more. SAAF does not fly combat at all in 20 years, yet they crash Cesana, Rooivalk, Augusta, Rooivalk, Dakota, and Hawk jet.....olodo air force

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agaugust:


Only 3 losses after NAF flew combat 1,148 times in 60 days. USAF don't fly safer, they crash more. SAAF does not fly combat at all in 20 years, yet they crash Cesana, Rooivalk, Augusta, Rooivalk, Dakota, and Hawk jet.....olodo air force

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Nigeria has the worst pilot in Africa including their civilian pilots. There was a very negative reports about Nigerian trained pilots in general.

agaugust:


Okay, no wonder South Africa cannot defeat Seleka and Rhino poachers, your military can only fight against nations like the one you lost to Cuban girl soldiers
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I single handily defeated Seleka at their own turf. NA is still struggling to defeat BH.

mzilakazi:


Scorpion jets are a waste of time.

Yet South Africa is spending millions to build the inferior AHRLAC aircraft for the same role as Scorpion. Mumu

Anything South Africa does not have is bad. Mumu squared
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agaugust:


Yet South Africa is spending millions to build the inferior AHRLAC aircraft for the same role as Scorpion. Mumu

Anything South Africa does not have is bad. Mumu squared
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AHRLAC is not what really any military can bargain on given their size and speed. It is simply good for ISR.

patches689:
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BMP-2 carries 7 soldiers, we see in your photo just 3 outside, where are the other 4 soldiers, in the sky?

Answer me

patches689:
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BMP-2 carries 7 soldiers, we see in your photo just 2 outside, where are the other 5 soldiers, in the sky?

See the great Israeli army Makerva tank with soldiers riding outside on top....means the tank is crap and unsafe, right ? Mumu
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patches689:
Unstabilized gun

it has a stabilized gun

patches689:
no modern FCS

it has a new fire control system,do not mistake the Mk1 for the Mk3,i know that you do not know the difference,but sometimes it pays not to embarass oneself due to ignorance

patches689:
no composite armor only RHS

it has the combination bulkhead armor{the chobham armor combination of steel,ceramic and aluminium},moreover,a few rounds the vicker ammo will pulverize your cherished toys

patche689:
no modern range finder

it has been fitted with an effective range finder,NANOQUEST L23 gunner's sight and simrad LV352 laser rangefinder

patches689:
Its a terrible obsolete tank and it will be target practice for the olifant

mumu!,your olifant also operates:
*105mm rifle - same as the vicker
*68 round of ammunition{maxim.}- 18 rounds more than the vicker
*350km range- lower range to the vicker

andrewza:


Don't forget the FLIR. And it is cleared to use the mokape ATGM.

NAF Mi-35 Hinds have FLIR and are manufacturer built (NO NEED TO BE CLEARED BY ANYBODY ) to use Ataka ATGM.

Show me British made Lynx firing South African Mokopa.

Liar, same way you and @Saengine lied to us in last year naval blockade simulation that Rooivalk will fire Mokopa on Nigerian coastal artillery and fire Mistral on Nigerian F-7 jet...you were using missiles that South Africa has NEVER ordered or EVER imagined to purchase ! Liar !

Show me Lynx with Mokopa !
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mzilakazi:



Don't try to play smart stupidd. The malyutka (ATGM) missile which many of them are currently out of service has a range of 3000m as compared to ingwe which has a range of 5000m.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M14_Malyutka

Olodo

You think 1980 BMP-2 is same as 2014 BMP-2, dummy you are, Russia has done series of upgrades and different versions, the modern BMP-2 fires Kornet ATGM with 5.5km range.

Mumu, I just finished wrecking your lies that NAF F-7 jets are grounded not flying not doing combat

Better be careful on this forum how you mess up yourself intellectually or else we Nigerians will snatch your girlfriend and you end up shiboboed, girls like intelligent men, not those who get crushed in intellectual argument, take my warning dude !
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ActivateKruger:
The Nigerian F-7 is older than my mother...

The South African Hawk Jet is older than Mandela....

mzilakazi:

So, scorpion jets are 4th generation fighters.

Scorpion jet is modern man 2014. Gripen is old man 1988.

mzilakazi:


Hawks differ in size and variant, but BMP-2 is a variant on its own that will not necessarily change.

Who I talking about BMP-2 ? See this mumu comparing armoured vehicle and jet fighter! Are you m.a.d ?

This is my post that you just foolishly replied to :

Your link is of 1980s F-7 jet. NAF, PAF, SAF, BAF are flying 2010 F-7 jets with 4the generation radar and missiles.

The SAAF Hawk jet of 2006 is the same as the Hawk jet of 1974, so SAAF flies an obsolete Hawk jet. Equation balanced
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mzilakazi:



If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying hours in aviation industry, then I will suggest you drop this subject with immediate effect.

If you cannot acknowledge the importance of flying combat sorties in defence industry, then I will suggest ANC merges South African air force with South African airways with immediate effect
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DieVluit:


Ngihleka izibunu zam zaphuma zahlephuka

continue laughing at your {family's} exposed chipped and chiseled butt0cks,idi0t.

The NA has just recieve a batch of shilkas,T72,and T80 tanks to fight boko haram terrorist in the north eastern part of nigeria [from an accurate eye-witness source]

DieVluit:


Ngihleka izibunu zam zaphuma zahlephuka

LMAO!

agaugust:


The South African Hawk Jet is older than Mandela....

In your not-so-bright head, there were jets before Mandela.

mzilakazi:



Kornet can only be fired from BMP-3, Lol!!!

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Now I have no choice than to snatch away your girlfriend, she's tired of the lies you tell and the garbage you write.

"■ The version BMP-2M "Berezhok" from KBP has an additional AG-30 grenade launcher, 2+2 launchers for ATGM 9M133 "Kornet" and new day/night sights as found on the BMD-4. This upgrade was selected by Algeria." Source wiki

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