Timmytimmy:
Since I've been on NL, I have never seen an atheist arguing peaceably with a theist. Richard Dawkins told them to mock theists. Mocking someone afterall isn't unkind because kind is only relative to him.
I really think it's a waste of time arguing with atheists on NL.

God bless everyone. Atheists, God follow una join too. Like one atheist said, I'm one of those who bordered on the edge of atheism before I understood that atheism is also faith, at least in this century's level of technology and science.

Atheists,i love you all but God loves you more

all4naija:
Nobody! It is more or less a dimension. Create?! Why did you use the term create if you weren't thinking along the line of a supernatural being(fairy)? You haven't understood that even water doesn't need a creator in my previous posts to become water but by a process of other particles combining to form it. If you want to go further, then you would now have to talk about quantum mechanics and string theories where things at the smallest imagination carried around itself a mini universe(in a lay man explanation) to understand the process.

Anybody?! Who is anybody that exist to create it than your poor imagination!

==> I didn't want to respond to that clay analogy but I think you need it because you cannot think beyond a being. Clay is made up of different particles that made up the clay structures those are what made up clay. Clay cannot mold itself because to mold is another process by another process within the universe already at right condition. This points out that what(not who) mold the clay is not the creator all rather maker of the clay.

blym4real:

How does live originated from non-living things, has any scientist been able to replicate life from non living things

all4naija:
Isn't all you said a process? Even if humans built the accelerator in this case they came through process to give birth to another process and the accelerator will give birth to another process to find out something in another process .Please, make use of your brain for once.

blym4real:

If all the matter in the universe was compressed
into a small dot, what caused this to happen?

Where did gravity come from that held it
together?

If this "dot" spun rapidly until it exploded., then
where did the energy come from to start the
spinning?

Also, in an environment without friction you
would have this spinning dot going so fast it
would then explode. If this happened, then all
of the particles and matter being expelled from
this "spinning dot" would all have to spin in the
same direction as the dot they exploded from.

This is a known law of science, which those
who believe in Evolution cannot do away with.
It is known as the Conservation of angular
momentum.

This matter which is said to have created the
planets would all need to spin in the same
direction as the object it came from.
So therefore, all of the planets should be
spinning in the same direction.
However two of them are not. Venus and
Uranus spin backwards.

blym4real:
likewise the bang theory can not formulate the soil, water, cloud, planet e.t.c, they are all different processes .

all4naija:

They are inching close. Inorganic bacteria seems to be getting close to explaining that and many other processes. Science is a process of discovery in a simple term.

all4naija:

They are inching close. Inorganic bacteria seems to be getting close to explaining that and many other processes. Science is a process of discovery in a simple term.

Slonge2:
Believe in whatever rocks your boat, but the idea of an earth devoid of a creator is pretty scary for most to phantom.

The idea that humans are not the product of the deliberate actions of a creator but rather the product of some freak accident (big bang) or evolution kind off make most feel empty and purposeless.

The fuel that drive most humans day to day is simply the believe that they have a higher purpose and calling already precharted by a creator other than just existing. So, it will be most unfair to deprieve most of this ideals, whether true or not.

As for me, I believe in the existence of God and that's what gets me going.

chy22:


You clearly forget to think while asking somebody to make use of brain.
They came through process to give birth to an infinite process that is true, but you need the metals, the space the man power and the time to v=bring about such process. If you take out those variables how will it happen?

all4naija:
Yelp. But one came before the other in some processes. Just like your forefathers gave birth to your mother and father who in a place gave birth to you and your sister... At least, my analogy is clear enough to understand. This is not balancing of equations or treating and formulating of theories.

blym4real:
no, that different, the line and process of reproduction is the same from generation to generation.

all4naija:

Bleh! Hasn't it occurred to you that those are parts of what a process is? If I take out those variables it will become another process without those variables then as you continue, due to limitation, we will be inching close to the singularity - the point of the origin of the process, like in the quantum mechanics I pointed out before. A point where everything that exist is made up of the same particle no matter what the thing is.

blym4real:
seems to be getting close? Even we if we assume that is true then you still have to believe you evolve from ape.

blym4real:
seems to be getting close? Even we if we assume that is true then you still have to believe you evolve from ape.

all4naija:

Bleh! Hasn't it occurred to you that those are parts of what a process is? If I take out those variables it will become another process without those variables then as you continue, due to limitation, we will be inching close to the singularity - the point of the origin of the process, like in the quantum mechanics I pointed out before. A point where everything that exist is made up of the same particle no matter what the thing is.

all4naija:
What is wrong with existing from ape? The same ape evolve from another form. Didn't I explain that we evolves through our ancestors that belong to the classification of the primate or ape the hominid before?

chy22:


You mention space and time but fails to recognise that space has to come from some where.

Do you pause and listen to what you are saying, Do not recognise that 0 is what it is and except you add something it can never change.

When you say what we need to do abandon without out any prove you are at that point moving from science to believe and religion.

Science observes and characterise nature, it does not create it. Only when you have a proof should you make it science

science most be tested, proven and independently repeatable.

all4naija:
What is wrong with existing from ape? The same ape evolve from another form. Didn't I explain that we evolves through our ancestors that belong to the classification of the primate or ape the hominid before?

chy22:


It seems you are finding it difficult to comprehend simple explanation. It can be what ever process it wants to be, my questions still remains where would the variables come from. Remember we are talking about the beginning of every thing here, where would the variables come from if it all started from nothing?
Quit running around the question, give an answer, if don't have one admit you don't.

ladygogo:
Plaetton killing it as usual.

all4naija:
The variables are parts of the process. Put those variables on a separate part they too have their make up as you continue to break them down you would come to a singularity of the same make up. If you cannot understand it. The singularity we are inching close to already is made up of any of those variables, whatever thing you can imagine. It is hard for you to comprehend. If you understand quantum mechanics very well you would be digging beyond that process at this point. Let me give you an instance to help you toward this explanation - just like electron can be at different places at once to effect different another process.

chy22:


What prove do you have for that claim.
Because some structures and DNA sequence are present within a wide species does not mean it is a prove they evolved. It can also mean they where designed by same designer, mean things that perform the same function will be kept the same.

Use this to think about it: all Toyota cars have got tires because they need to move and the Toyota puts the tires in all the cars, but that does not mean the cars evolved randomly on their own.

Variations occur and chances of these variations been harmful or beneficial is 50% each.

musicwriter:


Please note that I do not belong to the cursing fellows. So, next time you want to address me you have to not insult me. You can always be civil by making your point without insulting anybody.

Newton predicted the world ending that's the info I was passing there. Will the world end in 2060?. Nobody knows.

Emmalot121:
Where you there when it all happened? How is the method applied in this explanation different from that of Genesis, other than the fact that the Bible is more logical, believable, simple and inclusive.

davien:
Space is the phenomenon that allows objects to be located on a 3-dimensional plane....with respect to time.
The singularity as I keep pointing out time and time again is existence itself at a 0-dimensional plane..
I doubt you understand eucladian geometry.
Even still its best you explain what you mean here...are you using mundane understanding of the physical world to address a quantum state?
I said classical eucladian mathematics should be abandoned in favour of a new non-eucladian conjecture that would give an understanding of the singularity.. an example is hawkin entropy...but more on the non-eucladian side.
Someone has been reading too many creationists pamphlets....science works by creating testable models that are verified by the evidence to make predictions in nature(theories)
This is not an insult but a honest comment....you have a kindergarten grade level of understanding on what science is and I'll tell you why...
We haven't observed pluto's entire orbital period....nor had any experiment to prove it having the orbital period we gave it....so how did we now know it to be 200 plus years?
By using the model of newtonian mechanics and the theory of relativity we've deduced it and it has fulfilled the predictions of those models.

mrlaw93:
If u wnt to knw if God exist or not. Go to 3rd mainland bridge and jump down or rather stAnd in front of a brt bus in motion and come tell us wateva u see after death. Fo0lish people always disturbing me with religious wahala..

all4naija:
What is wrong with existing from ape? The same ape evolve from another form. Didn't I explain that we evolves through our ancestors that belong to the classification of the primate or ape the hominid before?

blym4real:

Like you forgotten scientists are now debunking the darwin theory of evolution which they claime it scientifically impossible .

musicwriter:


Please note that I do not belong to the cursing fellows. So, next time you want to address me you have to not insult me. You can always be civil by making your point without insulting anybody.

Newton predicted the world ending that's the info I was passing there. Will the world end in 2060?. Nobody knows.