haibe:

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you
hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single
convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are."
Matthew 23:15

STILL NO ANSWER.

MostHigh:


STILL NO ANSWER.

What answer do u demand sir

haibe:
What answer do u demand sir

Joker.

Stop being cowardly and tell us which God is giving you guidance.

You can see how I boldly claim yashua as my master.

Why the hesitation?

This Frosbel self! He is only delighted in attacking the Christians. He never proves atheist and satanist wrong.... Something must be wrong somewhere. I don't believe him.... Maybe he is an agent in disguise.

MostHigh:


Joker.

Stop being cowardly and tell us which God is giving you guidance.

You can see how I boldly claim yashua as my master.

Why the hesitation?

how many God do you serve sir? Anyway am talking about the creator of the universe, whatever name you call Him.

[/quote][quote author=haibe post=29432979]how many God do you serve sir? Anyway am talking about the creator of the universe, whatever name you call Him.

Finally.

It is whatever name I call him.

They deny God in the flesh.

MostHigh:


Finally.

Clearly Antichrist.

They deny God in the flesh.

How many God do you serve sir. I know just one God and I serve one God, the creator of the universe.

Goshen360:
What men called "balance" is what God called "mixture". You cannot put the OLD wine into a NEW wineskin......the truth of the NEW testament\covenant are always hidden in the parables of Christ.

Why should the truth be hidden in the first place. Is it a game..?

I guess when pastors are busy making up stuff, they are simply looking for the truth..

Ominimpotent still hiding things in the year 2015.. Smh

honourhim:


You know why i dont have problem with the eternal damnation concept? Because God made a way out. I dont worry myself with any problem that has solution. Once there is a solution, its no more a problem to worry about.

Here the solution is very very simple- grace/mercy of God. Just rely on it and you are free. Even the disciples of Jesus at a point felt it was impossible to make heaven but Jesus gave them a simple answer- "with men this is impossible but with God all things are possible". Matthew 19:26.

Well, unfortunately for him (Frosbel) , he most likely did not have any assurance of salvation, if he was saved. The salvation he was used to was that which gets lost at the drop of a hat!

5solas:

Well, unfortunately for him (Frosbel) , he most likely did not have any assurance of salvation, if he was saved. The salvation he was used to was that which gets lost at the drop of a hat!

first off, welcome back with another one of your multiple IDs

I have 3 questions for you ;

1. What is salvation ?
2. When does salvation happen ?
3. Do you believe a Christian can draw back from Christ and forfeit his/her salvation ?

GooseBaba:


Why should the truth be hidden in the first place. Is it a game..?

I guess when pastors are busy making up stuff, they are simply looking for the truth..

Ominimpotent still hiding things in the year 2015.. Smh

Words like Mystery, hidden etc are reserved for situations where further logic or reasoning cannot be applied to support a particular position .

Macelliot:
This Frosbel self! He is only delighted in attacking the Christians. He never proves atheist and satanist wrong.... Something must be wrong somewhere. I don't believe him.... Maybe he is an agent in disguise.

I am not attacking Christians , don't be silly, I am only debating on the fallacies , myths and fables , that have been presented and accepted as truth in pagan Christendom over the last 2000 years.

frosbel:


I am not attacking Christians , don't be silly, I am only debating on the fallacies , myths and fables , that have been presented and accepted as truth in pagan Christendom over the last 2000 years.

And one of your supposed myth is that the bible is filled with lies, right?

shdemidemi:


And one of your supposed myth is that the bible is filled with lies, right?

Do you hold onto the notion that every word, coma, full stop , apostrophe , sentence in the bible are 100% inspired by God ?

frosbel:




first off, welcome back with another one of your multiple IDs

I have 3 questions for you ;

1. What is salvation ?
2. When does salvation happen ?
3. Do you believe a Christian can draw back from Christ and forfeit his/her salvation ?

You keep jumping from pillar to post... From a confused position of hell and heaven to a warped understanding of salvation.

shdemidemi:


You keep jumping from pillar to post... From a confused position of hell and heaven to a warped understanding of salvation.

All topics are on the table, no ?

I keep saying you need to reexamine all your beliefs again so you do not keep misleading those poor students of yours !

frosbel:




first off, welcome back with another one of your multiple IDs

Well humour me by telling me the others. This is the first time I have heard of them.

vooks:
When I say man and satan and his angels are immortal, I mean they have the propensity to live FOREVER. Only God can stop them, and He won't do this in the Lake of Fire.

When we say God is Faithful not to forget our labor of love, we certainly don't mean He has 'evidence of the unseen'.
Man's immortality and God's are poles apart

^^^
Hey vooks, Revelation 20:10 just threw a wrench in your post

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
- Revelation 20:10 KJ Bible

Marry that with the below snip

- EXCERPT -

... frosbel's skimpy familiarity of Hebrew concepts, idioms, fables, sayings, figures of speech, etymologies etcetera and an inability to distinguish fable (i.e. parable) from reality betrayed him

The place (i.e. Sheol with its two sides divided by a gulf) in the fable told by Jesus is real
The characters (i.e. Abraham, rich man & Lazarus) in the parable arent neccesarily real people

As we know, Sheol has two sides comprising of a good and bad side divided/separated by a gulf

Abraham with Lazarus were on the good side, in that allegory or moral story told by Jesus.
The rich man was on the bad side (i.e. on the other side of the separating gulf in Sheol)

Abraham's bosom actually signified or means Abraham's side (i.e. bosom means side)
- Abraham's bosom or side, means Abraham's side is on the good side of Sheol

The good side, Abraham's bosom or side (i.e. the side Abraham is on) is otherwise called Paradise
- the thief on the right side of the cross with Jesus, met up with Jesus in Paradise (i.e. Luke 23:43)

It is very important to catch this, and not to confuse paradise with heaven
this easily done by comparing Luke 23:43 and Luke 23:46, to see where the spirit ends up after leaving the body at death

As normal, the spirit ends up in Sheol, and the thief on the cross, on that same day, met up with Jesus at the good side of Sheol
(i.e. Abraham's bosom or side aka paradise)

As a matter of fact, the good and bad sides in Sheol, effectively are similar to departure lounges at airports

Sheol is like a departure lounges, were you wait with your boarding pass before going on to a plane for your destination.
So Sheol effectively is like a holding station; a place after death, where souls are held before heading to whichever destinations
- of course, the itinerary too, dictates where one is bound to end up at

All dead, end up in Sheol, waiting, awaiting departure...

And just like there is a divide, separating Arrivals and Departures at airports,
so similarly, is that dividing gulf that separates the good and the bad at Sheol

Side Note:
holding station
- place on lake where inactive fish spend most of their time.
Fish
- I will make you fishers of men

On the debate ongoing between vooks & esere826 or shdemidemi & frosbel concerning the Lake of fire, Jesus made another fable comparing the Lake of fire with an incinerating refuse dump located in Jerusalem
The place is called Gehenna, it is a refuse dump continually on fire burning and destroying rubbish

Jesus made a moral story or parable likening the Lake of fire with Jerusalem's Gehenna
(i.e. Gehenna is a refuse dump that incinerates, destroys and the fire rarely goes out)
The Lake of fire too burns like Gehenna but with an intensity that Chemistry students can relate to or understand when sulphur is mentioned as involved
(i.e. lake of burning sulfur in Revelation 20:10 or fiery lake of burning sulfur from Revelation 21:8 )
- elemental sulfur, by the way, is used in black gunpowder, matches, and fireworks

The everlasting burning essentially means effective and efficient incineration

As CANTICLES rightly pointed out to vooks, "judicial punishment of Everlasting fire refers to " everlastin destruction"", the "torment" actually means a thoroughly destroying

The translation of "torment" is from the greek word basanizó, it has to do with TOUCHSTONE, which is used to test the purity of metals such as silver or gold

"Torment" signifies that Satan, death and Sheol will be tested to guarantee they are utterly and completely destroyed as intended or planned in the Lake of Fire

No one is kept alive, never-ending, continually, perpetually or daily tortured.
Once destroyed by the fire, is forever destroyed.
Call it, annihilation, as it were

https://www.nairaland.com/2060992/sincere-questions-frosbel/9#29399225

- /EXCERPT -

frosbel:


Do you hold onto the notion that every word, coma, full stop , apostrophe , sentence in the bible are 100% inspired by God ?

Lol..can't you just answer a simple question. Is the supposed myth mean the bible contain lies?

Every single word in the bible is God's truth.

...

shdemidemi:


Lol..can't you just answer a simple question. Is the supposed myth mean the bible contain lies?

Every single word in the bible is God's truth.

Then you do not deserve to be a teacher of truth, you have failed at the first hurdle because some of the most strict evangelical bible scholars accept that the bible has thousands and thousands of errors , only someone who has not done his proposer due diligence will make the statement you made.

frosbel:
Mate I am Mr 'As Calm as the summer sea '.
I enjoy a good debate, though one could argue that standards are falling these days

Let me repeat my question ( please no rants, dribbling, ego trips etc ) :

Where in the OT is there the slightest suggestion/evidence/hint that Sheoi consists of TWO Compartments ?

Thank You.

frosbel:
[size=13pt]Ok, I accept your plea of ignorance using the Mystery card as Camouflage [/size]!

My very good friend, if you think you can weaselly get off the hook that easy, you have another thing coming

You are out of touch with reality to think and/or conjure up an "accepting a plea of ignorance or Mystery card used as Camouflage"

I once said you are plagued by the latter part of Luke 8:10

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:
but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
- Luke 8:10 King James Bible

Rebellious people have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people (i.e. Ezekiel 12:2)

No matter how closely they listen, they'll never understand. No matter how closely they look, they'll never see (i.e. Isaiah 6:9)

For the second time, let see how calm you are once you dig yourself deeper in a hole, get cornered in an alley or snookered into a tight corner

You like asking dumb or dumber questions,
so two can play the game and here is to let's play the game
To start with and to wet your whistle

I dont know what you want to end up with or where you want to end with asking that question:

"Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments
or even Adam's bosom if you wish."
- © frosbel

If you are asking "Where in the OT is Sheol consisting of TWO Compartments?"
then you too, show us where in the OT is/was Jesus named or mentioned?

Show us where, in the OT, is looking at a woman with lust, adultery? (i.e. Matthew 5:28)

Can you now see the futility of your amateur skeptic/sophomoric question?

Quite a few of Jesus' teachings aren't found in the OT
- Jesus' fable (i.e. moral story) about Sheol and its dividing gulf/compartment obviously is one of them too

frosbel:



All topics are on the table, no ?

I keep saying you need to reexamine all your beliefs again so you do not keep misleading those poor students of yours !

You evade vooks question, the same way you scampered when you ran out of points to defend your no heaven no hell proposition.

Now its salvation, very soon it will be the law and grace. Keep running round circles, the truth will always find you out.

frosbel:


Then you do not deserve to be a teacher of truth, you have failed at the first hurdle because some of the most strict evangelical bible scholars accept that the bible has thousands and thousands of errors , only someone who has not done his proposer due diligence will make the statement you made.

Let all your bible scholars be liars and God and His book be true.

If I believe there is one error in the bible, it loses its integrity and it is not fit to be my guide. If I dare question one thing in the book, I question the entire book.

shdemidemi:
You evade vooks question, the same way you scampered when you ran out of points to defend your no heaven no hell proposition.

Now its salvation, very soon it will be the law and grace. Keep running round circles, the truth will always find you out.

^^^
You havent seen anything yet
"Oyọbọrọ ju alum" meaning literally "he is as slippery and slithering as they come"

shdemidemi:


Let all your bible scholars be liars and God and His book be true.

If I believe there is one error in the bible, it loses its integrity and it is not fit to be my guide. If I dare question one thing in the book, I question the entire book.

Good, with your own mouth you have proven without a doubt that your Bible is not realiable.


Some food for thought from a fellow brother ;

"Inerrancy, on the other hand, is an arrogant claim to certainty in the face of a definitive reality."

and

"Biblical inerrancy is a 20th century fundamentalist invention, not something which is actually intrinsic to the Christian tradition, but things like “facts” and church history are but minor inconveniences to the religious zealot."



Zack Hunt is a writer and speaker living in Bristol, Connecticut

http://www.redletterchristians.org/the-bible-isnt-perfect-and-it-says-so-itself-innerancy/

shdemidemi:


You evade vooks question, the same way you scampered when you ran out of points to defend your no heaven no hell proposition.

Now its salvation, very soon it will be the law and grace. Keep running round circles, the truth will always find you out.

Ran out of points ? Hmmm.

I think I was the one that left you guys some food for thought last night but got no reply.

The Babagnoni myth of Sheol consisting of 2 compartments was debunked again with these scripture quoted below ( Looks like you guys are losing the plot fast ) ;

JOB 21:13
“They [the wicked] spend their days in prosperity and in peace they go down to Sheol.”

ECCLESIASTES 9:5 (NRSV)
The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing.

PSALM 146:4 (KJV)
His breath goeth forth, he [his body] returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

These verses severely reject any interpolation into scripture of an erroneous afterlife that takes place after death , albeit in a spiritual form.

But of course I trust the scripture twisters to also bastardise these verses to further enhance general ignorance.

^^^^^

Can you or your friend, show me a HINT of Sheol having 2 compartments with the associated suffering of the wicked or did you see this in a trance/hallucination/vision

Let me extract some clichés from the scriptures I quoted above to reinforce truths into your thought process ;

- his thoughts perish
- in peace they go down to Sheol ( i.e the wicked )
- the dead know nothing


See how tradition has made people you people unable to reason appropriately in the light of overwhelming evidence ?

frosbel:


Good, with your own mouth you have proven without a doubt that your Bible is not realiable.


Some food for thought from a fellow brother ;

And what makes Zack hunt different from our very own nk maniac?

I repeat and affirm that the bible is more than reliable.

shdemidemi:


And what makes Zack hunt different from our very own nk maniac?

Mate , you need to go on a proper course so you will get some enlightenment and stop parading this endless ignorance in a public forum.

How can you teach deep truths when you are grappling with the simple basics ?

frosbel:


Mate , you need to go on a proper course so you will get some enlightenment and stop parading this endless ignorance in a public forum.

How can you teach deep truths when you are grappling with the simple basics ?

And what are the basics?

The basics to you is that the bible is filled with lies and you expect every Christian to buy into such blasphemy.

The evil one is really working on you.

BabaGnoni:




My very good friend, if you think you can weaselly get off the hook that easy, you have another thing coming

You are out of touch with reality to think and/or conjure up an "accepting a plea of ignorance or Mystery card used as Camouflage"

I once said you are plagued by the latter part of Luke 8:10

And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:
but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
- Luke 8:10 King James Bible

Rebellious people have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people (i.e. Ezekiel 12:2)

No matter how closely they listen, they'll never understand. No matter how closely they look, they'll never see (i.e. Isaiah 6:9)

For the second time, let see how calm you are once you dig yourself deeper in a hole, get cornered in an alley or snookered into a tight corner

You like asking dumb or dumber questions,
so two can play the game and here is to let's play the game
To start with and to wet your whistle

I dont know what you want to end up with or where you want to end with asking that question:

"Show me ONE scripture in the OT where anyone believed in Abraham's bosom with 2 compartments
or even Adam's bosom if you wish."
- © frosbel

If you are asking "Where in the OT is Sheol consisting of TWO Compartments?"
then you too, show us where in the OT is/was Jesus named or mentioned?

Show us where, in the OT, is looking at a woman with lust, adultery? (i.e. Matthew 5:28)

Can you now see the futility of your amateur skeptic/sophomoric question?

Quite a few of Jesus' teachings aren't found in the OT
- Jesus' fable (i.e. moral story) about Sheol and its dividing gulf/compartment obviously is one of them too

You are still not able to show me ONE , not TWO , not THREE, just ONE part of scripture of the OT where there is even the vaguest hint of a 2 compartmented Sheol.

Don't come back with another endless rant, just say there is none or if there is show us !!

shdemidemi:


And what are the basics?

The basics to you is that the bible is filled with lies and you expect every Christian to buy into such blasphemy.

The evil one is really working on you.

There is no angle of argument you can bring to deceive me or twist the truths, I have been in the system and I know how rotten and false it is from the inside out.

We are trying to peel away the layers of rot and reveal the beautiful truths that were once delivered onto the saints.

Thanks and please don't take this personal , na debate we dey debate ooo