shdemidemi:


Violent tantrums! haba. ..

What sheep? and what will you possibly tell them!

Pastor Frosbel: the bible have some lies but we can still try fetch some truth from it.

My dear friend, the bible can never be moderately true. It is either TRUE or FALSE.

I am prepared to believe WHATEVER the bible says, and to take it believing it to be the Word of God; for if it isn't entirely true, it is not worth anything to me.

It may be fallible to a very wise Frosbel who is so wise that he can pick out the true from the false.

frosbel:
Read again.

Sheol with TWO Compartments, or is this not your position ??

Your other mate uses this error to support the concept of suffering in the wicked part of Sheol.

Do you get it now ??

frosbel:



dog·ma·tism
ˈdôɡməˌtizəm/
noun
the tendency to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true, without consideration of evidence or the opinions of others.
"a culture of dogmatism and fanaticism"


Food for thought ;

BabaGnoni:


Not so fast Watson. It's you promoting ignorance and who is not getting it

Why did you lump me with "the concept of suffering in the wicked part of Sheol"?
What was the justification for that?

shdemidemi:


And what else Other than the bible should I be dogmatic about, wikileaks paper?

If FAITH comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, is it then possible to have FAITH if the content isn’t God? – Bishop Noel Jones

You are definitely not a part of this christian Faith cos what you believe isn't scripture.

frosbel:


Your faith shdemidemi , not THE FAITH.

and by the way who is Bishop Noel Jones, who ordained him as a bishop. SMH.

frosbel:
Hmm let me see.
because both of you supported the concept of a dual compartmented Hell
while the other added the factor of suffering.

Don't panic, no ulterior motive, I am sure our readers will get the gist.

BabaGnoni:


God has not given me the spirit of panic but rather but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind

Even if the fear of God has departed you, you should be torn painfully between your conscience that I never alluded that Sheol is Hell
but rather made the disimilarities clear
- another foul on me committed by frosbel

frosbel:
Clutching at straws now are we !

Next time think carefully before you start throwing around made-up stories.

BabaGnoni:

You live in lala-land, a world of your own
You're also a hypocrite, for quoting:
“Christianity is belief in Christ; it’s not Biblianitry – belief in the Bible” - Bart Ehrman
and not believing Jesus' parable about Sheol and the dividing gulf

frosbel:
You are getting more confused by the hour.
You once equalled a Parable to a Fable.
Are we now to form doctrine out of Fables?

And why is it so hard for you to stick to your bible to emphasize your TRUTH,
surely scripture must validate scripture, scripture does not stand on it's own , do you agree ?

A little humility and honesty will point you in the right direction....

BabaGnoni:


And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God:
but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
- Luke 8:10 King James Bible

I wonder what Jesus was doing when he shared that fable
Painting his toenail? Hmm frosbel?

frosbel:


Back to mystery , lol.

Good night Pal

frosbel:


Vooks forgive me for calling you out as an ignoramus par excellence, just what is difficult in understanding what a simple term like immortal means ?? Why lie to give it another meaning in preparation for your withdrawal ??

Immortal means = cannot die

Easy, simple, no need to pretend you understand , just get a dictionary and learn a new word.

Back to the question : is man immortal ?

frosbel:


Back to mystery , lol.

Good night Pal

vooks:
When I say man and satan and his angels are immortal, I mean they have the propensity to live FOREVER. Only God can stop them, and He won't do this in the Lake of Fire.

When we say God is Faithful not to forget our labor of love, we certainly don't mean He has 'evidence of the unseen'.
Man's immortality and God's are poles apart

frosbel:
Look at this one looking for a way out.

How can you say "When I say man and Satan and his angels are immortal I mean they have the propensity to live FOREVER ", does this even make sense to you ?

What does immortal mean , go and check a dictionary !

frosbel:
Vooks forgive me for calling you out as an ignoramus par excellence,
just what is difficult in understanding what a simple term like immortal means ??
Why lie to give it another meaning in preparation for your withdrawal ??

Immortal means = cannot die

Easy, simple, no need to pretend you understand, just get a dictionary and learn a new word.

Back to the question : is man immortal ?

vooks:
Man is immortal negro. He puts off this earthly tent and survives as a spirit.
Satan and his demons are immortal; they don't die and only cease to exist when God says so which He won't.
Angels are immortal, I don't recall reading a requiem for angels nowhere

Michael we see him in Daniel and thousands of years later in Revelation. Will he die?

Thinking may not be your forte but pretend it is

BabaGnoni:








frosbel is like the cat that got the cream or the cat that swallowed vooks the canary thinking he snookered vooks with:
What does immortal mean, go and check a dictionary!

The thing is that vooks is actually right about the "immortality" of angels, he only erred on the technicality that they cannot die frosbel

Another thing is that, one needs more than a dictionary to know really what immortality means or to understand properly the meaning(s)

frosbel you need to do real and serious study to uncover deeper meaning and significance of details and stop struting up and down like a peacock and/or grinning like a cheshire cat over the thread with victorious exuberance over false understanding topics like Sheol, virgin birth, immortality etcetera

Let's take the recent one you took a fancy to (i.e. immortality)

vooks isnt lying to give "immortality" another meaning in preparation for a withdrawal, as man, was immortal to start with (i.e. he was before the fiasco in Eden)

Ignoramus par excellence is to whom the other three fingers were pointing to

Immortality is a very interesting word, as it somewhat becomes a brain-teaser for the untrained eyes.
- it requires lateral thinking and diggings to unravel its dual meaning

Man was only "immortal" for a short period in Eden
Angels are "immortal" for the same reason and/or condition man was previously "immortal" in Eden

The common denominator with man and the angels is in terms of "immortality" is the Tree of Life.
It is the Tree of Life (i.e. access to and eating off the Tree of Life) that gives man and angels "immortality"

Talking of the technicality where vooks erred and looking at what really or exactly is "immortality"

"immortality"
- Its origin or etymology is from Latin immortālis
from prefix im- (“not”), and mortālis (“mortal”), from mors (“death”) (i.e. similar to the mor in "mortgage" which means death gauge or gauging when one is to die) and the combining form mort- + adjectival suffix -alis.

"immortality" essentially can mean:
deathlessness, endless life, never-ending life, not subject to death, exempt from death, not liable to death etcetera.

Immortality also means:
Cannot die. Period.
It is exclusive only to God and no one else

Only God is immortal, only Jesus is immortal regardless of what frosbel says or tears his hair out over
- also, only God can be in two places at the same time. frosbel cant
- only God can lay down His life and pick it up again. No one, not even frosbel too, again, can
- only God can do the mind boggling miraculous virgin birth
- only God can do an Agent Smith of Himself, like done in the Matrix

^{Two Agent Smiths}

Living without ending or having life endlessly is not the same as cannot die or can never die
"Immortality" and Immortality has a gray area
- as earlier shared, it is God alone who cannot die

He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him.
No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.
1 Timothy 6:16 NLT

He alone possesses immortality and lives in unapproachable light,
whom no human has ever seen or is able to see. To him be honor and eternal power! Amen.
1 Timothy 6:16 Net Bible

Now to the King eternal, immortal,
invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
- 1 Timothy 1:17 NIV

---

No one can take my life from me.
I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.
For this is what my Father has commanded."
- John 10:18 NLT

Man and angels are "immortal". God and only God is immortal

vooks, frosbel, notice "Immortality" and Immortality is used and understood in different ways

vooks gospel phrase, where he said "Man's immortality and God's are poles apart" is spot on
- I loved it!

vooks:
BabaGnoni,
your posts are a joy to read.
one thing I may aks you though.
Before the fall, wasn't man's immortality restricted to the physical?
I mean, the body only suffered corruption following the Fall.
The same spirit within man lives and the spirit is the essential man so far that Paul considers the body to be a tent.
Would the fact that man lives beyond physical death lead us to conclude that he is immortal?

vooks:
... The same spirit within man lives and the spirit is the essential man so far that Paul considers the body to be a tent...

vooks:
...Would the fact that man lives beyond physical death lead us to conclude that he is immortal?

frosbel:
What !!!!!!
So god can die, aye ?

frosbel:



Goshen I dey come ooo, I am having to educate so many baby bible scholars this evening ( NOT YOU of course ) , this space reserved................

GooseBaba:


Why should the truth be hidden in the first place. Is it a game..?

I guess when pastors are busy making up stuff, they are simply looking for the truth..

Ominimpotent still hiding things in the year 2015.. Smh

Image123:
The reality before us is that precious things are hidden to us, and we need to pry, mine, dig, extract and refine.
That is life, not a game.

BabaGnoni:


Kind of relating to the bold above, frosbel screamed blue murder:


when I wrote:
"God effectively is dying all over again, killing Himself, as it was His breath that gave us life"
https://www.nairaland.com/2055387/frosbel-now-atheist/14#29232062

Depends on which you are referring to, as "immortal" and immortal have different meanings and/or understandings

[quote author=vooks post=29439398]Man is immortal negro. He puts off this earthly tent and survives as a spirit.
Satan and his demons are immortal; they don't die and only cease to exist when God says so which He won't.
Angels are immortal, I don't recall reading a requiem for angels nowhere

Michael we see him in Daniel and thousands of years later in Revelation. Will he die?

Thinking may not be your forte but pretend it is

BabaGnoni:

Aye, however in the beginning, it was not so
In the beginning accelerated knowledge and precious metals were easily available and freely flowing in Eden
unlike now that valuable minerals, precious stones, knowledge or information etcetera (e.g. diamonds, gold, petroleum etc) have to be dug up, extracted, unearthened and refined with sweat, blood, tears and toils

Image123:
We are not in the beginning.

frosbel:
To make the following statement
"God effectively is dying all over again, killing Himself" smacks off as either [size=13pt]bold arrogance[/size] or [size=13pt]pitiful ignorance[/size].

God gives life, God does not die in any form or shape even when this life dies because it returns to him as validated by scripture - stop this gnostic nonense.

I had to edit out most of the other meaningless rant.

But let me just assure you that when the Bible says immortal, it means exactly what it says , CANNOT DIE.
Your inferences are not derived from plain truths but perceived notions based on extra-biblical writings/scripture/notes etc.

I conclude ( no time for circular today ) with ;
"and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles." - Romans 1:23

I think Paul knew what he was writing when he contrasted immortal as it pertains to GOD , to mortal as it pertains to MAN.

But let's see how the original Greek word for immortal is explained ;

862. aphthartos
Original Word: ἄφθαρτος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: aphthartos
Phonetic Spelling: (af'-thar-tos)
Short Definition: imperishable, incorruptible
Definition: [size=14pt]indestructible, imperishable, incorruptible; hence: immortal.[/size]

1. Only God is immortal
2. In no sense at all is MAN immortal , all over the bible from Gen 2:7, MAN is referred to as Mortal in his entirety not in parts - Isaiah 51:12, Job 4:17, etc. Note : It does not say the body of MAN is mortal, it says MAN , that's 100% him/her is mortal.
3. Angels are not mortal , they may have a life span that is controlled by God based on obedience, but angels can be destroyed as per Ezekiel 28:19 and Mark 1:24
4. Immortality is a Gift granted ONLY after the last judgement - 1 Corinthians 15:54

[quote author=BabaGnoni post=29453093]
frosbel is now taking to having bits of salad with biblical meat now...
- we are having Greek salads (e.g. aphthartos) now are we
You are skirting all over the place with scriptures like Romans 1:23 and getting your knickers twisted and tied up in knots with it
What a pretentious hooey most of your 1-4 bullet points are
1. Only God is immortal
>> Of course as earlier said Only God is immortal, man & angels however are "immortal"
>> The Tree of Life is man's and the angels' sustenance for "immortality"
- it's important to recognise that, live forever doesnt mean cannot die or will not die
2. In no sense at all is MAN immortal, all over the bible from Gen 2:7,
MAN is referred to as Mortal in his entirety not in parts - Isaiah 51:12, Job 4:17, etc.
Note : It does not say the body of MAN is mortal, it says MAN , that's 100% him/her is mortal.
>> Though there arent any reference to "immortality" in Gen 2:7, you are talking of immortal, instead of inferring "immortal"

>> Are the references in Isaiah 51:12, Job 4:17, etc before or after that of Genesis 3:22?

>> The body of man, whether physical, spiritual, whole or 100% is "immortal".
It wouldnt decay, degrade, be corruptible inasmuch as it is subjected to having access to and eating off the Tree of Life

3. Angels are not mortal , they may have a life span that is controlled by God based on obedience,
but angels can be destroyed as per Ezekiel 28:19 and Mark 1:24
>> Angels are not immortal but are "immortal"

4. Immortality is a Gift granted ONLY after the last judgement - 1 Corinthians 15:54
>> "Immortality" and not Immortality is the gift

How does one who doesnt know the meaning of rant and/or how to use rant, now want to share knowledge of greek words

BabaGnoni:

Good you noticed that too

Image123:
Who doesn't too?

Image123:

The reality before us is that precious things are hidden to us, and we need to pry, mine, dig, extract and refine. That is life, not a game.