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| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by BabaGnoni: 3:18pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
frosbel:You are a practised and persistent corruptor of words, concepts, posts, teachings, verses, truths etcetera - It's not game of words I'll be grabbing iced tea if I were you and not some hot tea 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 3:20pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
GooseBaba: Use the facts, don't fight them. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Image123(m): 3:24pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:Say no more, we've found a fellow who doesn't. GooseBaba: |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
BabaGnoni: So says the ignorant one who says in his own words " God dying all over again ", who forms doctrines out of fables and who twists words to mean something else than their original meanings ( deception ). Your problem is ITK and ego, if you lowered your pride a little you just might learn some new truths. I promise to tear apart your earlier fallacious and unbiblical rant ! |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by GooseBaba: 3:30pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
Image123: There is nothing to understand there....stop trying to delude console your indoctrinated mind here.. 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by GooseBaba: 3:44pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
Frosble and BabaGnoni.. You guys should just smell your armpits... And give glory and praises to allegory and metaphor... |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by BabaGnoni: 8:00pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
frosbel:  Look in the mirror and repeat this line: "Your problem is ITK and ego, if you lowered your pride a little you just might learn some new truths" Also you see the screen grab snip above, it's up there just to show you that, it actually as previously told you, it is you who has been goring the ox, opening threads willy-nilly, and ranting all over them 1 Like |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 8:04pm On Jan 03, 2015 |
BabaGnoni: ^^^^ Desperate clutching at straws .  |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by vooks: 6:24am On Jan 04, 2015 |
These fickle arguments are based on conflating the fate of the body and spirit at death. The body disintegrates and that is why there is no memory nor thought in death. The spirit lives on. Let me help you think. Why do you think Saul went to the Witch of Endor? To revive Samuel's corpse? And what do you think came up? That's what a spirit looks like. It is fully conscious. Am glad you admitted. Angels live as long as God wills. Human,demonic and angelic immortality is CONDITIONAL. It depends on how long God wills whereas God's immortality is UNCONDITIONAL because he is the ultimate UNCAUSED CAUSE. Repeat after me; 'the creature immortality is conditional while the Creator's ain't '  Your job abd BabaGnoni's is to demonstrate termination of this 'created immortality' You also need to twist this scripture that equates the duration of eternity for BOTH the wicked and the righteous Matthew 25:46 King James Version (KJV) 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. [quote author=frosbel post=29449684][/quote] 2 Likes |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 8:13am On Jan 04, 2015 |
vooks:  Frosbel repeat after me:'the creature immortality is conditional while the Creator's ain't ' |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by BabaGnoni: 11:17am On Jan 04, 2015 |
vooks:^^^ vooks, I dont know why you lumped me with frosbel to demonstrate termination of this 'created immortality' I had robustly responded though but mistakenly deleted the post whilst finishing or putting finishing touches to the last entry I've tried recovering it, to publish but now given up I've wasted enough precious time already on it and presently couldnt be bothered anymore - seems it wasnt meant to be |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by vooks: 11:36am On Jan 04, 2015 |
Am sorry my broda You are a deep man and I may have misunderstood your position. Profuse apologies and a merry new 2015 BabaGnoni: |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 12:32pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
[quote author=vooks post=29471722]These fickle arguments are based on conflating the fate of the body and spirit at death. This erroneous position has been debunked, trounced and totally obliterated by scholars, evangelists and even some of your pentecostal ilk. you keep confusing spirit ( breath ) with spirit ( angels etc ). When a MAN dies he is 100% dead , as dead as a dummy, nothing lives on, his breath returns to God and his body to the ground, I am not sure why this simple concept is so hard for you to grasp. "But if you turn away from them, they panic. When you take away their breath, they die and turn again to dust." - Psalm 104:29 Even the translators knew to change spirit to breath in accordance with the Hebrew word ruach: ruach: breath, wind, spirit Original Word: ר֫וּחַ Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: ruach Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh) Short Definition: spirit To further butress my point, here is what Solomon says ; "and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:7 He makes no distinction between the spirit of the wicked and the spirit of the righteous. Here the same word for spirit of MAN or breath of man is used , i.e ' ruach'. As an aside , your theology immediately runs into profound problems, firstly , if according to you the spirit is the man himself, then it infers quite directly that the spirits of both the wicked and the righteous go back to God after death which is not want you want to hear. Think, Vooks, Think..........MAN is a living Soul only as far as the body and 'spirit' ( breath ) are united. Once the spirit departs the body perishes and MAN CEASES TO EXIST, this is the penalty for SIN. So simple yet so difficult for dogmatic theologians to perceive. Let me help you think. Why do you think Saul went to the Witch of Endor? To revive Samuel's corpse? And what do you think came up? That's what a spirit looks like. It is fully conscious. Hmm familiar spirit not Samuel. Conext Vooks, again I say context. "Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor." - 1 Samuel 28:7 A familiar spirit is a spirit that impersonates others, I thought you should know this ? Otherwise we can all go to these mediums to enquire from our parents, friends , ancestors, makes no sense !! Am glad you admitted. Angels live as long as God wills. Human,demonic and angelic immortality is CONDITIONAL. Agree ! 'the creature immortality is conditional while the Creator's ain't ' I repeat, "the creature immortality is conditional while the Creator's ain't" , I think a kindergarten baby would know this , lol. You also need to twist this scripture that equates the duration of eternity for BOTH the wicked and the righteous Everlasting is an effect not an action, in other words, the second death is an everlasting , irreversible state of the wicked which they will experience after the final judgement. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by vooks: 1:05pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
The Bible says Samuel came up,Samuel spoke....Familiar spirit is the ability to conjure dead spirits. Saul was not seeking familiar spirit but the AGENCY of the same to bring up Samuel and scripture says Samuel came up. Are you telling us that you know better than the Holy Spirit who repeatedly tells us that Samuel came up? Ever read 1 Samuel 28 negro? Am I supposed to suspend common sense,cease trusting scriptures and start trusting your puny brains?  Matthew talks of EVERLASTING punishment Can you please omit everlasting from that verse and see if it makes sense. It makes sense. Some will be sent to LIFE and others to PUNISHMENT. How long will this life/punishment last? It will be EVERLASTING How long is EVERLASTING? I never knew you could multitask; puny brains and amateur skeptic all rolled into one EVERLASTING is an EFFECT? Since you were once an embryo, are you an EVERLASTING embryo? [quote author=frosbel post=29478850][/quote] |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 1:35pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
vooks: You conveniently walked past the first line of argument on the subject of spirit/breath etc, but let's park that for now. I look for meaning in the text not forcing meaning into the text. Now, here is your problem ; 1. This was a medium not some kind of righteous miracle worker. 2. Familiar spirits work with these mediums for a purpose. 3. These spirits are under God's authority and can do his bidding any time he wants them to , example 1 Kings 22:22 2. Samuel was dead in accordance with Ecclesiastes 12:7 and Ecclesiastes:9:5, 10. 3. The is all about deception and Saul's fall from grace to the point where he now consulted the same people he slaughtered and exiled from the land. If a demon/witch can consult and bring the righteous dead to talk with the living , we have a serious problem on our hands. Let Isaiah conclude this matter ; "And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?" - Isaiah 8:19 I hope you know necromancy is a sin and God only dwells in righteousness. Am I supposed to suspend common sense,cease trusting scriptures and start trusting your puny brains? You have brains and yet are unable to grasp and decipher the basic truths, how are you sure your entire theology is not founded on shaky ground ? Matthew talks of EVERLASTING punishment Everlasting is an effect, death is the opposite of life, everlasting life = living forever and everlasting death = dying that is irreversible. I am certain you are not trying to insinuate that people will be dying forever since death itself is swallowed up in victory according to 1 Corinthians 15:54 and Isaiah 25:8. If then Death is swallowed up forever and Revelation 21:4 states that there wil be no more death, can you define what second death means. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by vooks: 1:51pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Puny brains. You don't even have an openmind, you have NONE. Here is why; An entire chapter is dedicated to a dead prophet speaking and you are busy flapping gums that that was not a dead prophet speaking because you don't BELIEVE dead prophets should be speaking? This is where your IQ has gotten you Frosbel: I don't BELIEVE men have spirits that survive their death and can exist outside their bodies fully conscious. vooks: what about such and such passage? Frosbel: since I don't believe, those passages don't mean that. I don't BELIEVE and that's proof that am right and those passages are not saying that I asked you a question; have you ever read 1 Samuel 28? Let us go back to Matthew. What is PUNISHMENT? Can a few seconds or hours punishment be EVERLASTING? If a momentary act of punishment can be called EVERLASTING,is it possible that eternal life could also be momentary? Second death means eternal separation from God frosbel: |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 3:42pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
[quote author=vooks post=29480973]Puny brains. You have an open mind and yet are entrenched in dogmatism and religious fanaticism ? An entire chapter is dedicated to a dead prophet speaking and you are busy flapping gums that that was not a dead prophet speaking because you don't BELIEVE dead prophets should be speaking? Are you this daft ?? You said dead prophet and in the same sentence added 'speaking', do dead people speak !!! Only in vookslala land do dead people speak, lol. Here's some exegesis of the scripture below that I hope you may understand ( maybe too much of an expectation ) ; "When Saul saw the Philistine army, he was afraid; terror filled his heart. 6 He inquired of the Lord, but the Lord did not answer him by dreams or Urim or prophets." - 1 Samuel 28:5 Saul had enquired from the the Lord , but the Lord did not answer him by dreams but most importantly by Prophets. Try and use some logic and reason a little, if God did not speak to Samuel through LIVING PROPHETS, is it DEAD PROPHETS that he will speak through ? Was it not because God did not speak to Saul through the LIVING PROPHETS that he was forced to go to a MEDIUM who had a FAMILIAR SPIRIT ?? Was it not this FAMILIAR SPIRIT that was speaking , in this instance a message from God for the rebellious King ? Of course if you believe snakes and donkeys talk why won't you also believe dead people talk Frosbel: I don't BELIEVE men have spirits that survive their death and can exist outside their bodies fully conscious. You are quoting me when I did not make any of those statements which makes you a Liar and hence a sinner , lol. So much for being christ-like you hypocrite ! Besides you are yet to tackle any of the scripture I quoted about the difference between spirit and breath in the light of this bible verses I provided. I dey wait oooo Let us go back to Matthew. What is PUNISHMENT? Can a few seconds or hours punishment be EVERLASTING? Show me in the book of revelations where it emphatically states that the second death means separation from God or are you adding to the word of God you presumptuous fellow. To be honest , I have wasted my precious time arguing with an elementary pupil in the school of bible study. Commot for road abeg. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 3:52pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Goshen360: |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 3:53pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
^ ^ ^ frosbel: |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by shdemidemi(m): 4:34pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
@GOSHEN your friend has made up his mind to distort the message of Christ. He now confesses that obatala, amadioha, esuodara are all one and the same with ELOHIM. All that concerns him at the minute is discrediting the bible and at the same time throw a lot of confusion around as to why the bible should be thrown out. He is on a quest to foster his beliefs on the forum. I think he likes you, seemingly because you have been a comrade he used when he was discrediting wolves in sheep clothing within the church. He has since moved from there, I don't think he needs you for his new cause. I think he will eventually oblige you at some point but be ready for what is to hit you, it might not be pleasant. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Goshen360(m): 4:57pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
shdemidemi: I know what you saying and I know how to handle frosbel better....not a hard way though because if a man has decided already in his mind the way he wants to go, it might be hard sometimes to restrain him especially for people like our brother frosbel when he had tasted the heavenly gifts of God. One thing frosbel refused to understand is, he is on a quest for more knowledge of scriptures, which scripture says, Gentiles seek knowledge but he, frosbel discredit some people as regards their acts or wrong teachings\errors in the body but pitch tent with worst people thinking these people has the better knowledge. One needs to be careful the source he drinks from. That's why I don't personally drink from one source of website except from the word neither do I take "special" interest in idolizing a particular man of God to the point that when such man errs, I won't know and I don't drink from too many source either because it tends to mixture or confusion or babylon. I don't study to show myself approved unto God through\via a man of God but slowly and sure by the Spirit. This is what I want to let our brother see in the end. There's no confusion in God's word but the reason why we disagree and argue so much is because we want to believe what we want to and it looks like everyone is quoting same bible but saying different things. Another thing is our (not God's word) inability to reconcile what seems like contradictions and especially, following context because same word (such as virgin, hell etc) can be used to mean different things in a context but someone will pick one side and run with it and make a doctrine out of it. We need to get the big picture and rightly divide the word. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 5:27pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
[quote author=shdemidemi post=29485317]@GOSHEN I know Christians will fight and die for the bible even if it means lying but they will not obey or follow Christ, this is a fact ! But you have now gone a bit low by LYING that I made the following statement ; "He now confesses that obatala, amadioha, esuodara are all one and the same with ELOHIM." Is this the Christ-like example you are showing ? Shame on you ! |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Goshen360: You may not believe it Goshen but my quest is taking me closer to God not father from him as some churchianity minions here will like to suggest. We should always examine the motives and aims of truth seekers, some seek from a position of atheism , others seek so as to understand better the truths of God and get closer to him, especially amidst all the mayhem, chaos and confusion that is being practised as Christianity , where no three people agree on some of the most important truths in the bible. One thing frosbel refused to understand is, he is on a quest for more knowledge of scriptures, which scripture says, Gentiles seek knowledge but he, frosbel discredit some people as regards their acts or wrong teachings\errors in the body but pitch tent with worst people thinking these people has the better knowledge. Hmm, My Friend, abeg show me who some of the 'worst people ' I am pitching my tent with, lol. One needs to be careful the source he drinks from. That's why I don't personally drink from one source of website except from the word neither do I take "special" interest in idolizing a particular man of God to the point that when such man errs, I won't know and I don't drink from too many source either because it tends to mixture or confusion or babylon. I don't study to show myself approved unto God through\via a man of God but slowly and sure by the Spirit. But the Bible was written by MEN, Books are written by Men and online articles are also written by Men, so not sure what you mean. The Internet is the largest repository of information in the world, so I am befuddled as to why you would not want Christians to seek information from multiples sources online and examine the facts in the light of theology and history  |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by shdemidemi(m): 5:43pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
[quote author=frosbel post=29486748][/quote] Do you now agree Jesus is the only way to the father? |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by vooks: 5:45pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Puny brains The other day you DEMANDED from BabaGnoni evidence of two-chamber Hades FROM Old Testament. Your fickle brains told you that absence of that is evidence of adulteration of New Testament. I challenged you to adduce evidence of baptism from OT and you went dumb, which is quite redundant seeing you are dumbo already. Once again you are demanding proof of spiritual death from Revelation ALONE. How brainless can you get! How many books are you using to prop your man-has-no-conscious-spirit? You are walzing from Ecclesiastes, Psalms to Isaiah and here you are shamelessly attempting to CONTROL the responses to your questions by restricting the answers to Revelation? Let me come down to your level because I love you with the love of Jesus and it would pain me for you to perish in your ignorance, congenial and acquired. What consequence did God give to Adam for eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil? [quote author=frosbel post=29483916][/quote] |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 6:01pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
vooks: Please calm down and don't give yourself too much stress. Fact : Sheol is ONE , Sheol is not compartmentalised, to suggest otherwise especially when supported by extra-biblical notes/documents/artices , smacks off as dishonesty which of course most Nigerian Christians have in great abundance. I have provided enough evidence to convince the most hardened skeptic but you guys are on a one way roller coaster with no ability to reverse back into the correct position. Admit it, your gospel is DEAD and USELESS , of no value to the hearers until you humble yourself and learn the TRUTH. Once again you are demanding proof of spiritual death from Revelation ALONE. How brainless can you get! How many books are you using to prop your man-has-no-conscious-spirit? You are walzing from Ecclesiastes, Psalms to Isaiah and here you are shamelessly attempting to CONTROL the responses to your questions by restricting the answers to Revelation? To the ordinary observer my write-up (with the scriptures as a backup ) consolidates the logical position that DEATH means a CESSATION of existence and nothing more, but to the dogmatic bible thumper, it does not make sense, so he goes on an pointless exercise of turning scripture upside down on its head hoping to salvage something to rescue his/her ego, not for the love of Christ. You are OYO. I stand by my point of view and your tantrums will not change it. Let me come down to your level because I love you with the love of Jesus and it would pain me for you to perish in your ignorance, congenial and acquired You love me with the love of Jesus, aye ?? Lol Go love yourself first, I do not need your love. My objective is to silence false teachers like you with logic, reason , facts and objectivity. What consequence did God give to Adam for eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Death ! I believe Adam died about 900 years later, do you agree. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 6:06pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
shdemidemi: I demand an apology for your LIE before we proceed on this point. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by BabaGnoni: 6:48pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
johnydon22: frosbel: johnydon22: 5solas: frosbel: johnydon22: shdemidemi: frosbel: shdemidemi: frosbel:^^^ a convenient way and method to weasel out, so as to not get stucked in a hole After all the above thread trail, all shdemidemi did, was simple deductive reasoning Keep this up frosbel (e.g. the false accusation of shdemidemi, that for one, among many others) and soon, if not already, you'll turn into the boy who cried wolf |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 7:06pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
^^^^^ Deceptive christian, how can you apply deductive reasoning based on assumption ? I deliberately used Chineke and Olorun as the name for God the creator who is ONE . Why do you force my statement to mean other than this God and is it not strange that you try and align what I meant with johnydon22's comment ? Is this not how you and your ilk twist the scriptures to your destruction my misrepresenting positions and forcing opinions ! Guys try and act like Christ if only for a minute ! |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by BabaGnoni: 7:47pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
frosbel: I once mentioned you're desperate and rapidly deteriorating your ignorance too never fails you, it continually betrays and shows you up How on earth, can you "deliberately used Chineke and Olorun as the name for God the creator who is ONE" and have the cheek to repeat it again The first time you said it, I was going to let it slide, but you're getting bolder and having the effrontery to repeat this worthless, false and ridiculous writing or post You are rapidly declining, turning into a degenerate and/or becoming a bad influence. Can anyone believe the cheek, "a tete mu ole, ole nmu oloko", literally meaning "the burglar is shouting thief-thief, way ahead of the houseowner" You're already doing a good work at "twisting the scriptures to your destruction, misrepresenting positions and forcing opinions", you do not need extra hands, assistance or help from anyone God, without doubt, clearly told, what His name is in Exodus 3:15, so it beats me where you got the fantasy idea from, that God's name is "Chineke and Olorun" For starters and as a point of correction, "Ọlọrun" means "Owner of heaven". "Chineke or Ọlọrun" is not a name of God, just as you as a landlord/houseowner, does not make landlord/houseowner your name God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations. - Exodus 3:15 The name of God is YHWH |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by Nobody: 7:58pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
BabaGnoni: You are slippery ( no surprise here ) as they come. In my language as an Igbo , Chineke is used to represent God the Creator hence me using this word intentionally. Before the missionaries came to Africa and even in most cases today, many Igbo people only know God as Chineke, Chukwu etc and not YHWH which is exclusive to the Jews. How the hell did you expect them to know him by the Jewish name when they do not speak Hebrew ?? It also appears that you are a christian Zionist and Jewish slave , since you think God has only one name in only one language belonging to only one tribe. If this is not racism and elitism I truly do not know what else is. God is not restricted to a tribe or language, get this fact into your head. It is quite shocking, bewildering, astounding and mind boggling that you write off 99% of the world tribes who never knew God by his Jewish name but names inherent to their own language and vernacular , by suggesting quite ignorantly that the names they call God are not valid, this is as dumb as dumb can be. I repeat, God is not a Jewish God, he is the ONE God who is the creator of the universe and world as we know it and he has many names in many different languages. |
| Re: Sincere Questions To Frosbel by johnydon22(m): 8:01pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
BabaGnoni:so how did u get to know that YHWH is the real god and not chineke or olorun or amadioha or ezechitoke or horus or osiris or mythras or zeus or etc.. 1 Like |
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