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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 8:42pm On Jan 27, 2015
Hkana:
Usermane, what's the issue you have with salah on the Rasul (Sallallahu alaihi wa ahlihi was salam)?

First, i believe there is a distortion of Qur'an 33:56 in mainstream Islamic teachings. "Salah" as used in that verse is not exclusive to the Prophet alone throughout the Qur'an. Qur'an 33:43 and 2:157, 9:103 tells that "salah" is also done for believers by God and the Prophet was instructed to do the same for believers. 'Tasleem' also is not exclusive to greetings in Arabic, see Qur'an 4:65. When all the verses are cross-referenced with each other, we find that the orthodox interpretation of Qur'an 33:56 cannot be reconciled with the other verses where the same phrases are used with reversed roles. Learn more; http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/corruption_of_33:56_%28P1243%29.html

Aside that, i discussed my main issue with the ulama teachings on Salah on the Prophet here; https://www.nairaland.com/2112171/undercover-polytheism. Scroll down the thread and read it under the sub-heading; Invocation. Sending salah on the Prophet as endorsed by mainstream Islam is basically invoking Muhammad, taking him as mediator between man and God which is polytheistic, no different from what pre-Islamic Arabs were condemned for by the Qur'an.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:21pm On Jan 27, 2015
usermane:


First, i believe there is a distortion of Qur'an 33:56 in mainstream Islamic teachings. "Salah" as used in that verse is not exclusive to the Prophet alone throughout the Qur'an. Qur'an 33:43 and 2:157, 9:103 tells that "salah" is also done for believers by God and the Prophet was instructed to do the same for believers. 'Tasleem' also is not exclusive to greetings in Arabic, see Qur'an 4:65. When all the verses are cross-referenced with each other, we find that the orthodox interpretation of Qur'an 33:56 cannot be reconciled with the other verses where the same phrases are used with reversed roles. Learn more; http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/corruption_of_33:56_%28P1243%29.html

Aside that, i discussed my main issue with the ulama teachings on Salah on the Prophet here; https://www.nairaland.com/2112171/undercover-polytheism. Scroll down the thread and read it under the sub-heading; Invocation. Sending salah on the Prophet as endorsed by mainstream Islam is basically invoking Muhammad, taking him as mediator between man and God which is polytheistic, no different from what pre-Islamic Arabs were condemned for by the Qur'an.

Okay 'sheikh' Usermane, we heard you, sir. Honestly, you just spiral on this subject. It's very simple. All nonsense you wrote in those links are just your thought. And since you said mainstream Islamic teachings distorted that verse, kindly give us your translation of that verse and let's see what you got. Just that verse. No explanation attached. Thank you

And yes, Allah can send His salah, salawat (also) on Muslims aside from prophets. And He (azal wajal) does that to His beloved everyday. Really don't know what you making out of this.

Below are translations. Be my guest....

Sahih International
Indeed, Allah confers blessing upon the Prophet, and His angels [ask Him to do so]. O you who have believed, ask [ Allah to confer] blessing upon him and ask [ Allah to grant him] peace.


Yusuf Ali
Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! Send ye blessings on him, and salute him with all respect.


Shakir
Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.


Pickthal
Lo! Allah and His angels shower blessings on the Prophet. O ye who believe! Ask blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation.


Khan
Allah sends His Salat (Graces, Honours, Blessings, Mercy) on the Prophet (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and also His angels (ask Allah to bless and forgive him). O you who believe! Send your Salat on (ask Allah to bless) him (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), and (you should) greet (salute) him with the Islamic way of greeting (salutation i.e. As-Salamu 'Alaikum


Malay
Allah i meleki Njegovi blagosilju Vjerovjesnika. O vjernici, blagosiljajte ga i vi i šaljite mu pozdrav!
Google Translate: (Allah and His angels bless the Prophet . O you who believe , bless him and you and peace on him !)


Indonesian
Sesungguhnya Allah dan malaikat-malaikat-Nya bershalawat untuk Nabi. Hai orang-orang yang beriman, bershalawatlah kamu untuk Nabi dan ucapkanlah salam penghormatan kepadanya .
Google Translate: (Surely Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet . O ye who believe , you bershalawatlah to him, and salute him with all respect.)


French(Hamidulah)
Certes, Allah et Ses Anges prient sur le Prophète; ô vous qui croyez priez sur lui et adressez [lui] vos salutations.
Google Translate: (Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet O you who believe blessings on him and send [it] your greetings.)


German
Gewiß, Allah und Seine Engel sprechen den Segen über den Propheten. O die ihr glaubt, sprecht den Segen über ihn und grüßt ihn mit gehörigem Gruß.
Google Translate: (Indeed, Allah and His angels say the blessing on the Prophet . O ye who believe , say the blessing over him and greet him with MATCHING greeting.)
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 9:04pm On Jan 28, 2015
^^^^^^
You either didn't read the articles i recommended in my previous post or you read them without digesting them. The alternative meaning of "sallu" and "taslim" which you translate as ''send greetings" and "salute'' in this verse is ''reach out for(as in support)'' and ''regard'' respectively.

The former verses(53, 54 & 55) specified regulations on believers for the ease and sake of the Prophet. Complying with such regulations is what the 56th verse emphasizes as "sallu"(support) for the messenger.

33:56 GOD and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded

I translate and interpret in line with context. This verse urges Muslims to support the Prophet as God and his angels do for both Muslims and the Prophet.

There are those who 'd rather oppose or distress the messenger instead of supporting him, for instance, by not observing these regulations. The next verses address them.

33:57 Surely those who harm God and His messenger, God will curse them in this life and in the Hereafter; and He has prepared for them a shameful retribution.
33:58 Those who harm the believing men and the believing women, who did not do anything wrong, have committed not only a falsehood, but also a gross sin.

I don't get the point of 'salawat' in the whole context. The verses before and after verse 56 cannot be related with 'salawat' at all.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:33am On Jan 29, 2015
usermane: The alternative meaning of "sallu" and "taslim" which you translate as ''send greetings" and "salute'' in this verse is ''reach out for(as in support)'' and ''regard'' respectively.
Here, you still repeating and agreeing with mainstream. You dont have alternative.

The former verses(53, 54 & 55) specified regulations on believers for the ease and sake of the Prophet. Complying with such regulations is what the 56th verse emphasizes as "sallu"(support) for the messenger.

Okay. "Support" not much of a problem for me. Question is prophet is no longer with us presently. How do we support him now according to you?.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Hkana: 8:26am On Jan 29, 2015
usermane:


First, i believe there is a .........

Thanks.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 7:29am On Jan 30, 2015
I so much love this ayah. It's pregnant. Fussilat 30

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 6:56pm On Jan 30, 2015
Javier Hernandez commenting on the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household).

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 7:40pm On Jan 30, 2015
Empiree:
Here, you still repeating and agreeing with mainstream. You dont have alternative.



Okay. "Support" not much of a problem for me. Question is prophet is no longer with us presently. How do we support him now according to you?.

That 's it, the Prophet is dead, we can't can't support him in the context of these verses any more. There are several verses of this chapter which is no longer applicable today. That 's my understanding.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:16pm On Jan 30, 2015
usermane:


That 's it, the Prophet is dead, we can't can't support him in the context of these verses any more. There are several verses of this chapter which is no longer applicable today. That 's my understanding.
Wrong! Qur'an revolves eternally. You chose "support" whatever that means is your choice. The ayah is valid until Qur'an is no more.

And like I said earlier, there is nothing to talk about on this subject. Therefore your case is dismissed. But if you think usermane is the only true muslim and all other 1 point whatever millions are heretic, then you got serious problems and that's your cup of coffee. Anyways, you are my brother. Take a chill pill, smiles and get over it.

Put smiles on your face...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Qjdy3sK98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsA4iLRiOTs

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 9:26pm On Jan 30, 2015
Empiree:
Wrong! Qur'an revolves eternally.

Isn't it better to ask questions if you do not understand than jumping into conclusion? Are the following verses applicable in our time, do these verses address us as the direct subjects:

33:30 O wives of the prophet, if any of you commits a gross sin, the retribution will be doubled for her. This is easy for GOD to do.

33:53 O you who believe, do not enter the homes of the prophet unless you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for a narrative. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But God does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm the messenger of God, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with God.

33:9 O you who acknowledge, remember God's favor upon you when soldiers attacked you and We sent upon them a wind and invisible soldiers. God is Seer of everything you do.

9:1 This is an ultimatum from God and His messenger to those who set up partners with whom you had entered a treaty.

49:2 O you who acknowledge, do not raise your voices above the voice of the prophet, nor shall you speak loudly at him as you would speak loudly to each other, lest your works become nullified while you do not perceive.

Of all people, you shouldn't b d one telling us that Qur'an revolves eternally, after your sunni scholars teach that hundreds of verses in the Quran have been abrogated and no more applicable today. You contradict your own scholars and ideology.

Lastly, am done on this issue. Salawat is all about invoking Muhammad, since you believe he hears your salawat and responds to you. It is polytheism. You can brag about tawhid as much as you want.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:14am On Jan 31, 2015
^Yes, let's just leave it since you dont understand. Let me quickly remind you. So far, in your theory, you claimed to translate verse 33:56 by letter. But throughout your intellectual interpretation, you skipped two letters that do not support your argument.

"Support" or "reach out for" as you want us to believe does not fit in this verse.

"......o you believers, support the prophet OR ....o believers, reach out for the prophet..."

The above^ is your translation of what "sallu" means. Therefore, you are saying that the verse goes like this, "God and His Angels reach out for the prophet or support the prophet. O believers, reach out for the prophet and regard him". Correct? congratulations

The problem though, is, in the arabic context, it goes like this "God and His Angels sollu ala prophet. O believers sollu alaiy prophet with teslim"

So why did you throw away ala (as in) ain (ع‎) and lam(ل‎) which are used 2x in the verse. You used "support for", reach out for". These silly translation of your doesnt fit in here. "Ala" means "on or upon". In the second sentence, we see alaiy that's, 'on him or upon him'. Why did you skip that?

Ofcourse I am aware of some verses are specifically applied to prophet only. What's your point. It's because your gave the verse new meaning thats why you lost in thought.

Note, i welcome correction

So is this polytheism...?

[size=15pt]Salah Allahu alaiy wasalam[/size]

Allah's peace and blessings be upon him

Allah's blessing be upon him

Blessings and peace of God be upon him

Above are shirk? seriously ?
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 6:53am On Jan 31, 2015

Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 7:09am On Jan 31, 2015
^^^^
Stop obscuring the point, Mister. You know the salah/darood you recite on the Prophet particularly during tashahood or duas.

Any one who has discussed so far with me on this issue know the 'salah' am talking.

[At- Tirmidhi, Hasan Al- Albani]: “Duaa is suspended between heaven and earth and none of it is taken up until you send blessings upon your Prophet.”
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 7:15am On Jan 31, 2015
Tashahud:

Salaam alaika ayua an-nabiy

peace upon you o prophet

You remember how tashahud came about?

shirk?....seriously? something wrong with you
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 7:26am On Jan 31, 2015
Empiree:
Tashahud:



peace upon you o prophet

shirk?....seriously? something wrong with you

Thank you for the time, Empiree. If you had read the works i recommended in my response to Hkana, you would have been asking a different question. Repeatedly asking this same question mean you don't do your homework. Thanks, but no thanks.

Peace
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AlBaqir(m): 12:15pm On Jan 31, 2015
Iranian film on prophet Muhammad set for premiere
A multimillion-dollar biopic about the childhood of
the prophet Muhammad – Iran’s most expensive
and lavish film to date – is set to premiere on
Sunday.

Tehran’s Fajr international film festival, which
coincides with the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic
revolution, is scheduled to show the country’s own
version of how Islam’s most revered figure lived. To
protect the prophet’s dignity, the film will be
shown out of competition.

“We chose a period of his life about which there is
no difference between different Shia and Sunni
scholars and groups,” he said. “We made this film
with the view of bringing unity [to] the Muslim
world.”


When the news about the Iranian film came out in
2012, Al-Azhar said in a statement: “We demand
that Iran refrain from releasing the movie, so that
an undistorted image of the prophet can be
preserved in the minds of Muslims. We call upon all
film-makers to respect religions and prophets.”

In response, Majidi has said: “I am aware of their
concerns, we have our own sensitivities about
religious figures and I wonder why they are
criticising it before actually seeing it.”

He added: “While there are 250 films on Jesus
Christ, 120 films on Moses, 80 about the other
prophets and 40 films on Buddha, there is only The
Message on the life of prophet Muhammad.
Unfortunately, we fail to introduce our prophet to
the western world. In this case enemies will remain
enemies.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/30/iranian-film-prophet-muhammad-premiere
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 1:32pm On Jan 31, 2015
Peace to all.

I want to present the leading Shari'ah book in Shafi school of law, Sunni(mainstream) Islam: RELIANCE OF THE TRAVELLER. I am a Muslim who from an Islamic, moral or rational view point oppose Shari'ah as outlined in orthodox/mainstream Islam. Here are extracts from the Book:

08.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

oX.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (0: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die).

09.13 In Jihad, when a child or a woman is taken captive, they become slaves by the fact of capture, and the woman's previous marriage is immediately annulled.

09.15 It is permissible in jihad to cut down the enemy's trees and destroy their dwellings.

If you are a Muslim who believe in establishing of Shari'ah state, you may want to reconsider your position. Shari'ah is anti-Islam, not Islam. A secular democracy like Canada is closer to Islam than a typical Shari'ah state. If you are a non-Muslim out there who believe that in line with religious freedom and tolerance, Shar'ah deserves a place in the society, you may want to study Shari'ah better instead of playing ''NICE GUY''.

In three lengthy papers, i have covered Shari'ah, exposing some of the unholy and ugly sides of this law which the clergy, scholars and apologist Muslims won't tell you or the non-Muslims.

Shari'ah: The Great Brain Robbery
Dealt with criminal law including amputation for theft, stoning for adultery and execution for apostasy.

Shari'ah II: Phantom Heaven
Covered Civil matters like divorce, inheritance; Religious coercion and Blasphemy.

Shari'ah III: War!
An exposition on Jihad, Slavery and "Jizya" under mainstream Shari'ah.

And most importantly, here is the link to download Reliance Of The Traveller, Shari'ah directly from the horse 's mouth. No apologetics, no sentiments, no lies. Every truthseeker on Islam must own this or the like.

http://www.islamicbulletin.org/free_downloads/resources/reliance2_complete.pdf
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:11pm On Feb 05, 2015
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 10:48am On Feb 08, 2015
Abuamam:


Now for this incident of Salim:

Imam Abu al-Abbas al Qurtubi states in his commentary of Sahih Muslim:

“Salim (in this Hadith) is Salim ibn Ma’qal…Abu Hudhayfa had adopted him in accordance with the customs of the Arabs. He (Salim) had been brought up and raised by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife as their own son. When the verse of the Qur’an was revealed...

“Call them (your adopted children) by (the names of) their (real) fathers….”
Surah al-Ahzab, V: 5

the ruling of adopting children was abrogated. However, Salim continued to reside and enter the house of Sahla (the wife of Abu Hudhayfa) as he was a minor. When he grew old and came to puberty, both Abu Hudhayfa and Sahla disliked the idea of him entering freely upon Sahla, but they found it difficult to mention this to him, given the fact that he had lived with them from his infancy, hence they asked the Messenger of Allah (saw) regarding this. The Messenger of Allah (saw) said to Sahla: “Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and that which Abu Hudhayfa feels in his heart will disappear” hence she suckled him and it so happened (i.e. the dislike of Abu Hudhayfa disappeared)…”
(al-Mufhim lima Ashkal min talkhis Kitab Muslim, 4/186,
Dar Ibn Kathir print

The above clearly illustrates that Salim was adopted by Abu Hudhayfa and his wife Sahla. He had lived with them and was raised and brought up by them since infancy. However, Islam does not recognize legal adoption and a adopted child is not considered a real child, hence after reaching puberty, the rules of Hijab became applicable. It became very difficult for Salim to live with his adoptive mother due to this rule, thus the Messenger of Allah (saw), advised Sahla to make Salim drink her breast-milk, whereby the rules of Hijab would be lifted.

This is a very flimsy excuse to have a woman breastfeed an adopted adult son. There are so many ways to go about that circumstance other than breastfeeding. How about Abu Hudhayfa knocking or greeting before entering upon Salma? How about creating another room or a wall to separate Abu Hudhayfa and Salma? How about sending Abu Hudhayfa to a relative of his adopted parents?

You may check the Qur'an 24:31 for cases where dress code may be lifted. Suckling wasn't mentioned.

It is also narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled.
Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, FOR SAHLA DID NOT DIRECTLY SUCKLE SALIM, as he had reached puberty.
Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sa’d, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

The Arabic word used in the texts is ''الرضاع'', which mean to suckle or breastfeed or nurse. That is not necessarily the same as drinking milk from a container.

This leaves us with the question whether is it allowed for an adult to drink breast-milk, and what implications would that hold? This would help us to understand the 'ruling' of the Egyptian sheikh, which the op quoted, but refused to provide a link to verify the truth of...

It is a well-known and recognised fact amongst virtually all Muslim jurists, that suckling is not permitted after two (or two and a half) years, neither does it affect the rules of Hijab and marriage. The Messenger of Allah (saw) quite clearly mentioned this in one Hadith where he said:

“…suckling is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2504 & Sahih Muslim, no. 1455)

The Messenger of Allah (saw) also said:

“Suckling (radha’a) does not prohibit (i.e. marriage) except which penetrates the intestines (meaning which serves as a nourishment for the child) from the breasts, and it is prior to weaning.”
(Recorded by Imam al-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, no. 1152)

Due to the above narrations, all four Sunni schools of Islamic law are in agreement that suckling and breastfeeding will only be considered (i.e. in effecting the rules of marriage and Hijab) if it takes place in the period designated for it, and it is of no significance after that period. Thus, scholars mention that the permission given by the Messenger of Allah (saw), was specific to Salim and his adoptive mother.

"This is what the wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, thought about the suckling of an older person."

You need to complete the original Hadith:

A'isha umm al-muminin took that as a precedent for whatever men she wanted to be able to come to see her. She ordered her sister, Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq and the daughters of her brother to give milk to whichever men she wanted to be able to come in to see her. The rest of the wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, refused to let anyone come in to them by such nursing. They said, 'No! By Allah! We think that what the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ordered Sahla bint Suhayl to do was only an indulgence concerning the nursing of Salim alone. No! By Allah! No one will come in upon us by such nursing!'

If we look at the full Hadith, we find that ruling wasn't specific to Salma and Abu Hudhayfa alone. I think this subject is disputed among your clergy as Muta is. But in the end, there is more evidence from your religious narratives supporting Muta/Suckling than opposing them. And thus, however, ill intentioned truthman2012 is to create such a topic, he has a point.

One reason why i turned from Islamic orthodoxy is that i was fed up with hypocrisy and self-righteousness. I couldn't continue in a religion that condemned courtship, friendship or handshake between opposite genders while promoting sex slavery/concubines, pedophilia or adult-nursing/suckling. Fella, such a religion cannot be from God.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:28pm On Feb 08, 2015
usermane:

One reason why i turned from Islamic orthodoxy is that i was fed up with hypocrisy and self-righteousness. I couldn't continue in a religion that condemned courtship, friendship or handshake between opposite genders while promoting sex slavery/concubines, pedophilia or adult-nursing/suckling. Fella, such a religion cannot be from God.
Honestly, while i dislike to type this, for record purposes i should. @bold, your understanding is pretty much deficient.

Islam doesn't permit such things especially the way you summed is very ridiculous. I think you should do us favor and join your brothers and sisters in Christendom. No one is forcing you to be "muslim". I hate two-faced people.

If a muslim or group does @bold in modern world, they do it out of their own mischief. Qur'an gradually abolished slavery and once prophet passed, that's. No more such things. What's happening at Gitmo is obviously slavery but you won't say anything about it.

You don't understand how they systematically secularized their religion from their filthy way of life so that we won't blame their religion but (maybe) country or individual in their ranks. While they in fact follow their religious text deceptively.
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10028

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:31am On Feb 10, 2015
The Gold Dinar, Islam & The Future of Money- Sheikh Imran Hosein

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8RSsx8QCww
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 10:57pm On Feb 10, 2015
Empiree:
Honestly, while i dislike to type this, for record purposes i should. @bold, your understanding is pretty much deficient.

Islam doesn't permit such things especially the way you summed is very ridiculous. I think you should do us favor and join your brothers and sisters in Christendom. No one is forcing you to be "muslim". I hate two-faced people.

If a muslim or group does @bold in modern world, they do it out of their own mischief. Qur'an gradually abolished slavery and once prophet passed, that's. No more such things. What's happening at Gitmo is obviously slavery but you won't say anything about it.

You don't understand how they systematically secularized their religion from their filthy way of life so that we won't blame their religion but (maybe) country or individual in their ranks. While they in fact follow their religious text deceptively.

http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10028

You really are a glutton for argument. Times and again i have posted your Tafsir, Hadith and Ijma promoting certain unholy practices as i mentioned above. Keep dwelling in denial or false reality.

@underlined, I do not have time to be condemning Christianity, West or non-Muslims. You can do that as much as you want. For all i care, my religion has been distorted into a tool of terror, oppression and regression by so called Muslims and i can't stand it. You can call me whatever you want, delete my topics, suspend my account, threaten or vilify me. But as far as the pen is concerned, there is nothing i wont do and no line i wont cross to reveal the truth, however appealing or offensive it is.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by vedaxcool(m): 12:58pm On Feb 11, 2015
Three Muslim students murdered at North Carolina campus

No breaking news here !? @CNN @BBCWorld @FOXTV @washingtonpost @NewYorkTimes11 #ChapelHillshooting

Muslims really need to learn how to cry like the west when things like these happen!

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:16pm On Feb 11, 2015
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by vedaxcool(m): 4:16pm On Feb 11, 2015
Other studies show inconsistent coverage of violent global and regional conflicts. When Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims are killed by Muslims, Islam is identified as playing a direct role. When Muslims are killed by Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims, however, the religious identity of the violent perpetrators is downplayed or ignored.

Chapel Hill shooting and western media bigotry


A lot of this has to do with white supremacist thinking, a thinking that is quick to attribute evil to others while always down playing crimes committed by their own race!

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by vedaxcool(m): 9:53am On Feb 12, 2015
Ben Affleck on anti-muslim extremism:

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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:00am On Feb 14, 2015
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:07am On Feb 14, 2015
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 10:27am On Feb 15, 2015
Salaam!

Please watch this video on the troubles with Sahih Hadith. We all agree that the Prophet was foremost in abiding by the Qur'an in speech and deeds than anyone else, the Hadith which are said to be the prophet 's words and deeds should therefore conform with the Qur'an. What if we find an Hadith that is classed sahih but contradict the Qur'an? What if we find numerous Hadith contradicting Qur'an in the official Hadith collections? How can we still trust such collections?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drPjFNFmYjc


Why Trash All Hadith?

Some of us admit there are grave problems with Hadith Books but we refuse to trash those books partly because we find beautiful teachings in those books too. There isn't a problem with learning from beautiful hadith as there isn't a problem with learning from beautiful novels or documentaries. As long as you do not accrue divine status and Islamic authority to those Hadith and you realize that even a beautiful Hadith may also be a fabrication, that is fine. But, the best bet is to focus on the Qur'an alone, how ever beautiful that Hadith is, the Qur'an already has the message and even better messages. Plus, some Hadith may seem beautiful, a deeper analysis reveals otherwise. So one need to be very careful.
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 6:46pm On Feb 15, 2015
walaikum salam. ^#yeyeman...Lol you and your antihadith movement. Okay nau we don hear u....sir. Your video itself is crooked. It's like picking a verse against another. Only about 3 or so valid point i see there. Brother, ain't worry myself about spurious ahadith man. Thank God I love the way I grew up. grin

Why would prophet (SAW) ordered a dog be killed....that just makes no sense when in fact we have other hadith talks about gentleness with animal. I feel it was quoted out of context. Let me give you example, there is hadith about Jinn take form of snake or scorpion and enter human house. It was said that he advised muslims to say salam alaikum to him(jinsnake) i think 3x, advise him this is human abode and order him to leave. If he doesn't we are allowed to kill the snake or scorpion. So this is literal context of this. I dont know of that dog.

Again this video places Quran verse where Allah fortold Isa ibn Maryam (AS) about his demise against his return in the hadith. That one is laughable bro. There is a verse in sura Az-Zukhruf 61 indicating his return and Quran further said we should have no doubt about it. This means his return is the most essential event(major sign) in akhir zaman.

As for rajam, that's just nonsense (astagfurllah). there isnt stoning adulterer to death in the Quran. I dont buy that anyway. Nor is there a missing link. I am refering to bogus claim that a verse was forgotten. Hell, that's culprit. So video above is not 100% upright either. It's hell of culprit, too.

What's insppiriing in hadith are obligatory duties and confirmed in the Quran: Faith, Salat, zakat, ramadan hajj. Anything else are not 100% binding. They are highly recommended or recommended. I dont worry myself about what your girl friend Ifea is doing. She's responsible 100% hereafter. She has no excuse. There is a reason some nonsense hadith survived. It by decree of Allah, The Most High. It's all part of Signs of Last Age. So I dont bother myself about "ahadith" written by Tom, Dick and Harry
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:30pm On Feb 17, 2015
i thought Muslims are good for nothing

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