daniwealth:

My Dear been Abraham seed by faith,we should do,the same as he did,
His wealth and greatness were all traceable to Tithing.I dont care,what people say about Tithing,i will always give it...10% from my Income to give in God Work wont make me Poor.No pastor taught me how to Tithe,it was a revalation from the scripture and is Working for me.

openmine:

i think you are at fault not to have declared your position before now and your previous post showed that your were in support of tithes....
and according to you,didnt finish your post...so how can i know if you have finished post or not....
like i said before,since we are in agreement on the issue of GIVING,i said FAIR ENOUGH...

boxer022:
What you are saying is that since Christ came to do away with the laws his father gave to His people. Which means that God and His Son Jesus are in enemity or they do not agree. God said inm the Bible that before he says any word, that word is refined seven times by him. God also that instead of any of his words which He spoke not to be fulfilled, Heaven and Earth should pass away. Talking of Sabbath, the same bible said that Jesus Christ is the Lord of Sabbath. All of the laws which God gave in the Bible, He said that they will be to the end of time. Christ been the Son of God cannot come and or do away with His Father's laws, as Christ and his Father are at peace

openmine:

i think you are at fault not to have declared your position before now and your previous post showed that your were in support of tithes....
and according to you,didnt finish your post...so how can i know if you have finished post or not....
like i said before,since we are in agreement on the issue of GIVING,i said FAIR ENOUGH...

brocab:
It don't matter who's at fault, we have finely come to an agreement. I didn't know I had to declare my position. And if you did read my post clearly I have never supported tithing. Give "Yes", I will go over my pages, and find where it says I supported tithing. Maybe you had reading wrong, but I assure you, it wasn't meant to sound, that I tithe. So for give me , if I had made a mistake. Is Nairaland your home town?

brocab:
I had gone back through my pages, and I can't see where I said I supported tithing. So you may have flipped through the page, and sounds.

openmine:


....maybe its urs....ok oga i hear you MR NAIRALAND

brocab:
I only went back for the sake of not having an argument. It don't really matter who's in fault-There's no-argument in Christ, And maybe Mr self righteous you don't read it' you just flip the page, and judge.

openmine:

ok sir

brocab:

openmine:



do you understand what the word "fulfil" meant in the scripture matthew 5:17?

i suggest you check up the greek word for "fulfil"...but let me help you...the greek word for the word "fulfil" is teleó: which means to bring to an end , complete .... came to complete the law of moses in order to bring it to a conclusive end....
Romans 10:4 was clear about this...lets find out;

4 Christ ended the law so that everyone who believes in him is made right with God.

furthermore,Galatians 3:21-29 further affirms how christ "fulfilled" the law of moses by putting it to an end once he was revealed;
pay close attention to the bolded..
21 Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not. The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law. 22 But this is not possible. The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him.

again focus on the bolded....
23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. 24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith. 25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the LAW to be our GUARDIAN. (REALLY?? YES INDEED )

26-27 You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus. 29 You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham. Galatians 3:21-29

you might ask,if the laws of moses has been abolished,are we NOW free to commit adultery or to kill or to commit evil?
far from it?
Galatians 5:1-6 says
5 We have freedom now, because Christ made us free. So stand strong in that freedom. Don’t go back into slavery(under the law) again. 2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you start following the law by being circumcised, then Christ cannot help you. 3 Again, I warn everyone: If you allow yourselves to be circumcised, then you must follow the whole law. 4 If you try to be made right with God through the law, your life with Christ is finished—you have left God’s grace. 5 I say this because our hope of being right with God comes through faith. And the Spirit helps us feel sure as we wait for that hope. 6 When someone belongs to Christ Jesus, it is not important if they are circumcised or not. The important thing is faith—the kind of faith that works through love.

Galatians 5:13-14 (Pay close attention to 14)
13 My brothers and sisters, God chose you to be free. But don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do what pleases your sinful selves. Instead, serve each other with love. 14 The whole law is made complete(fulfilled or brought to an end) in this ONE COMMAND: “Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.”

So my question to you should be..who is your neighbor?

nannymcphee:


Pls work on the format of your posts, it's difficult to read becos they are lengthy with no paragraphs

dein77:
This tithe issue has been over-flogged. When shall we spend quality time to discuss more important matters like giving, love, mercy, etc?

Nobody will ever make it to heaven or hell because they paid or didn't pay their tithes!

thegoodone2:
actualy I dont support tithing but the way things is going in Nigeria we christain need to pay tith. I pray our leader (pastors) should not disappoint us when we need them. If war start in Nigeria to day and is bw us and 2faith who will finance that war? 2faith has b saving toward that. Abuja 1989 if i may right.

dein77:


Thank you.....

brocab:
No-one is criticising anybody on this tithing page. Theirs truth written in the bible, and theirs non-truth, clearly the lord has told us he came to fulfil the laws, which he did. Have you heard a eye for a eye, a tooth for a tooth, in the old testament the meaning of it is written in
Leviticus 24;19-20, If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbour, as he had done, so shall it be done to him. Fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall be done to him. Jesus fulfilled the law by changing God's old testament law.
Matthew 5: 38-39, You have heard that it is said: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. V's 39,But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But who ever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. So you see. Jesus had fulfilled the laws.In the old testament there were 613 laws to obey, tithing and sacrificing the forgiving of sins. was one of them. Jesus also fulfilled that law, and from tithes' we now "give through faith" Not tithe through faith.
Galatians 3:10-14, For as many as under the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written "Cured is everyone who does not do continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them. V's 11. But no-one is justified by the law, the just shall live by faith. V's 12, Yet the law is not of faith V's 13, Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law.V's 14, That the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the spirit through faith. If we were to follow the Old testament laws in today's world, there will be no-one left to worship our lord. Those day's if you have a stubborn and rebellious son/daughter who will not obey the parents, in those old laws" they were stoned to death. And look at most of our children today are all rebellious. And if anyone who commits adultery with another man's wife, shall be put to death. Jesus again fulfilled the law changing it in, John 8 3-7, Then the Scribes and Pharisees brought to him a woman caught in adultery. V's 5, Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned, but what do you say. {Jesus changing the law} said: in V's 7, He who is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone. and in V's 10, when Jesus had stood up he asked the woman, where are those accusers of yours? V's 11, She said: No-one Lord' And Jesus said: neither do I condemn you.
God does love a cheerful giver, but Jesus done away with tithing. He fulfilled the laws, as it is written.

KLand:



Titheing preceded the law in that Abraham paid tithe even before the law was given. It is true that Jesus came to fulfil the law, but you know Jesus never outlawed titheing? I know that anyone that loves the Lord with all his heart will not find it hard to give 10% of his income to God. Even if you don't call it tithe, just give to the Lord. That's the bottom line. No one should use the tithe argument to avoid giving to God.

KLand:



Titheing preceded the law in that Abraham paid tithe even before the law was given. It is true that Jesus came to fulfil the law, but you know Jesus never outlawed titheing? I know that anyone that loves the Lord with all his heart will not find it hard to give 10% of his income to God. Even if you don't call it tithe, just give to the Lord. That's the bottom line. No one should use the tithe argument to avoid giving to God.

boxer022:
What you are saying is that since Christ came to do away with the laws his father gave to His people. Which means that God and His Son Jesus are in enemity or they do not agree. God said inm the Bible that before he says any word, that word is refined seven times by him. God also that instead of any of his words which He spoke not to be fulfilled, Heaven and Earth should pass away. Talking of Sabbath, the same bible said that Jesus Christ is the Lord of Sabbath. All of the laws which God gave in the Bible, He said that they will be to the end of time. Christ been the Son of God cannot come and or do away with His Father's laws, as Christ and his Father are at peace

texazzpete:


Your life would change more if you gave that money to the poor and needy like Jesus commanded.

EdDave:

I dont need u quoting me for any reason. To ur tent O Israel means do wat pleases u. But dont quote me again.
Christians arguing about wat to do and wat not to do on nairaland. Has anybody forced u to pay tithes?
And who said i dont give to the needy?
I dont have to come here to prove anything to anyone, least of all you.

KLand:



Titheing preceded the law in that Abraham paid tithe even before the law was given. It is true that Jesus came to fulfil the law, but you know Jesus never outlawed titheing? I know that anyone that loves the Lord with all his heart will not find it hard to give 10% of his income to God. Even if you don't call it tithe, just give to the Lord. That's the bottom line. No one should use the tithe argument to avoid giving to God.

brocab:
Matthew 17:25- And when they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to peter and said: "Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?"

He said "Yes." And when he had come to the house, Jesus anticipated him saying, "What do you think, Simon? From whom do the Kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their own sons or from strangers?"

Peter said to Him, "From strangers." Jesus then said to him then the sons are free.

Did you just listen what Jesus had said:>then the sons are free.

Do we not belong to Christ-is Christ our tutor-are we now called sons to Christ-did Jesus say before Abraham was born I am.

Are you still under Abraham's domain?
Or are you under Christ?
Did Christ say then the sons are free..

As you read on Jesus didn't want to argue the point so he sent Peter and said>"Nevertheless lest we offend them, go to the sea, cast a hook, and take the fish that comes up first.
And when you have opened it's mouth, you will find a piece of money; take that and give it to them for you and Me.

So those who still obey the law on tithing are stealing from God.

Amen..

KLand:

Thanks for your comment. But I must say that I don't see how giving tithe to God amounts to stealing from Him. I think the reverse should be the case, according to Biblical principles.

No, we are not under the law but in Christ. BUt Bible shows that Christ never outlawed tithe, just as He never condemned tax paying.

Read again the story you referred to understand it better than you did. Jesus wouldn't have paid tithe if he believed it was wrong to do so. So is tithe. It isnot wrong to give it.

brocab:
Matthew 17:25 If you didn't understand this scripture, then you wouldn't understand these other scriptures.

When you read this verse clearly Jesus only paid the temple tithe, because they had given Peter a hard time over it.

If Jesus paid taxes he wouldn't send Peter to the ocean to collect money from a fishes mouth.
If Jesus paid taxes, and he collected His Riches from the people to help with his needs and living the highways, like the other Pharisee priest done back than, and today, He wouldn't have to rely on saving the world, and dying for our sins.

Jesus is better then that- he preferred to live on the streets.
Jesus said: Foxes have holes, birds have nest, but I have no place to rest My head...

So His aim was to seek after His Father, so all man kind can be saved..Freewill offerings.
Peter said: silver and gold I do not have, but what I give you, in Jesus of Nazareth stand up and walk.


Many who tithe usually use scripture such as Malachi 3 or Matthew 23:23,"Woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites For you pay tithe of Mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought have done, without leaving the others undone..

We all know the Pharisees Paid tithes in herbs and food products, also we know it was some bright spark, who had twisted the truth around changing this verse taken what was a herb of mint-symbolizing it "sounds" as IF the Pharisees only tithed in mint as a cash flow.

God had made a law OLD TESTAMENT to bring all your crops, stocks into the storehouse so my people will be fed.
As we all know the story Abraham gave all the spoils of war that didn't belong to him to the kings, as it was a custom to do so.

Anybody who retrieves cash as a tithe is stealing from God.

God commanded the Jews to pay tithes in crops, stocks, merchandise, and when tithes were yearly paid it was never without sacrificing and offerings.

Even to this day In Israel the Jews don't pay tithes, only those from the western world twisted and turned bible scriptures, 1 Timothy 6: men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth that they USE Godliness AS a means to gain {Money} From such with draw yourselves.

Do you really believe Jesus is not given us any warning about these money hungry tithing false prophets wolves in sheep clothing.

Feel free-you want to obey God's old tithing laws, then at least you can obey all the other 613 laws, as its written?

The lord warns us with scriptures, about these men of corruption-don't lay up for yourselves riches here on earth-where thief's break in and steal, but lay up yourselves riches in heaven where thief's do not break in and steal...

How about the birds of the air they neither sow nor do they reap, nor put into barns, and the lord feeds them, how much more are you, you of little faith.

Using bible scriptures for any money gaining is robbing God-{What you do to others you do to Him}.

Feel free if it helps you feel good about yourself?

Then tithe or your monies away?

KLand:


I am not in for long stories. I just know that giving 10% of my income to God, which you call tithe, is a great privilege I love to share.

jdilight:
There is a religious movement that believe that tithing is an old law that should be made away with the entrance of the new law of Christ. I will like to use this medium to bring to light a few things about tithe.

The law which we know came through Moses according to the word of God. This law many believe was made away with the entrance of Christ. But Jesus himself who understand the unchangeability of God declared, "I did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it", "whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven". The spirit of God inspired the writer of Numbers to write, "God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

THE ORIGIN OF TITHE

I want to let us know that before the law came into being, tithe has already being. Genesis 14:18 and 20, "Then Melchizedek King of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High". "And blessed be God Most High who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him a tithe of all.

Before the law came into being Abraham has given tithe. The question is, "how did Abraham came to know about tithe before it came into being?" God had called Abraham out from his land in order to use him as a means of bringing the savior into the world. To keep Abraham on track, God needed to bless Abraham. God made it clear to Abraham that he was going to bless him. This blessing was not going to come the way the people arround Abraham were getting theirs. It was going to come through spiritual principles. The last principle of the wealth God promised Abraham was Tithing.

Abraham without prior knowledge of tithe, gave tithe. Abraham was the first person that gave tithe.

brocab:
Non tither's are not against tithing-we are against you who tithe out of scripture, today's tithing is un-biblical.
If you chose to tithe at least do it the way the bible tells you to tithe, the law on tithing was given to the Jews.

Malcahi 3 bring all your tithes into the storehouse that there maybe food in my house.

jdilight:


Please explain the Bible way of tithing

brocab:
Again bring all your food tithes into the storehouse so my people will be fed.