slogozer:


Do children have to ask their parents either?

Not thinking about after life? Start thinking but also plans towards it. Just my advice

Ecclesiastes 11

8 But if a man live many years, and rejoice in them all; yet let him remember the days of darkness; for they shall be many. All that cometh is vanity.

9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment.

10 Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

First of all prove to us that an afterlife exists? or you are only planning what you are not even sure of?

The bible in the hand of a man is sometimes more than a bottle of whiskey in the hand of another.. That you see them who have not learnt to live this life or finished the one they have clamoring and hoping to get another one when they die

slogozer:


Do children have to ask their parents either?

That's the reason we take care of them. We feed our little kids, we cloth them, we send them to the best school we can afford and above all we protect them as much as we can.

But for your Sky Father, he hide himself in the sky waiting for u to pass thru 40 days dry fasting, blame u when things go wrong and expect u to praise him when luck shines on u.


I am more compassionate, more considerate and more loving than ur sky father

davien:
Yes I've heard the "gospel"
,and I've spent my time even preaching it before I became an atheist.

I've also been exposed to different denominations of "the gospel",in all that,no one ever presented anything as proof....

it's all faith,and that is an admission to not having any evidence.


Your faith is no different than an idol worshipper,no different than a budhist,hindu,mithraist,etc...

And the issue is people willing to lie and dumb down society just to promote their faith.

I am so happy we can discuss this far. There is something in my own heart and I'm not talking about church or religion. It is PEACE.
I don't have all the fine things or good things but joy. I have tried to be rational like every enlightened intellectual but palpable fear it was. I have tried different assemblies and gatherings but my brother they seem all the same.

But you know the day I eventually had a taste of being a Born Again Christian, it was not even inside a church. It was at the backyard of my teenage home when I was acosted by one man. I was challenged that evening that church activity and involvement does not guarantee eternal salvation except one repents. The man left but his words stayed. On my own there and then, I whipsered the words, "Jesus, if you trully exist, come into my heart". Till date I look back and I can tell without a shadow of doubt, that it was not about following popular path. 1998 is what I am talking about, that joy is still there and I have passed it to others and it is still the same experience- As many as received Him, He gave power to become the sons of God even to them that believe on His name. John 1:12

Dear, not church or religion but a personal encounter. I experienced HIM and that is what really matters. not in the head but in the heart. shalom

ipunchbitches:
υυδδφγψηιξφφφψβνκκλλλθβββφχφυθθ νηφθξκ

U may not know the meaning of those symbols,but they mean a lot in the spiritual realm...be careful not 2 receive visitors.

wordcat:


That's the reason we take care of them. We feed our little kids, we cloth them, we send them to the best school we can afford and above all we protect them as much as we can.

But for your Sky Father, he hide himself in the sky waiting for u to pass thru 40 days dry fasting, blame u when things go wrong and expect u to praise him when luck shines on u.


I am more compassionate, more considerate and more loving than ur sky father

And this sky daddy knows what is good for you, knows your heart but then you will have to pray, beg, grovel, beg, mutilate yourself with fasting, subject your body to unnecessary mortification while begging and crying, yes keep grovling and pray and beg....
remember he knows what you want and can do it for you..but yet no show

like WTF.. what sort of father does that?

Jimmyo3:
U may not know the meaning of those symbols,but they mean a lot in the spiritual realm...be careful not 2 receive visitors.

shut the fvk up, those are not symbols.. those gibberish greek letters means nothing..

Wah dah heck is wrong with you people... this superstition is getting out of hand honestly... **Face palm**) **sighs**

johnydon22:


And this sky daddy knows what is good for you, knows your heart but then you will have to pray, beg, grovel, beg, mutilate yourself with fasting, subject your body to unnecessary mortification while begging and crying, yes keep grovling and pray and beg....
remember he knows what you want and can do it for you..but yet no show

like WTF.. what sort of father does that?

A Malevolent and Wicked Father!

Dcmg:
Get a life Brother

get lost

Humblebloke:


You need spiritual healing...... You need an encounter with the *ultimate guide*

#peace

Ooh common, i use to say that shii just last year... i stated the obvious bro...

ILIDEFI:


You tried in your write up, but ut still has some flaws.

Okay...

You said atheists don't have to believe anything, but at least they believe there is no God who created the universe, unlike theists.

Don't you think "believe" is not the word to be used?

I mean every theist has a different "god-belief",and so to a muslim you don't believe in "god"...

Moreso to establish that something is "believed" means it has to be an option or logical conclusion.

Take for example,I believe there are no cats in my house...

You'd realise that one must know what a "cat" is before making such a statement...

And when it comes to "god/gods",it's about convincing people that a "god/gods" is/are an option...

Atheists are skeptical of this option,so we aren't convinced of it....making it non-existent.

It's like I approach you that you have a fjorkulat behind you, you ask me what it is.....but I give you a comprehension that defies your ability to ever really know if it's there...

I tell you it's a spherical-cubic(this is physically impossible) invisible dragon that lures around good people and heats up the place when anyone bad approaches you...

Now how can you disprove such a thing or even fathom it's there?...can you see it,no....can you detect it,no....so what's the difference between it not being there to begin with.

Hence you'd tell me, you're not convinced.

Why are you battling to differentiate 'believe' and 'accept'? Can you accept what you don't believe in? Even in Merriam Webster dictionary, one of the definitions of 'believe' is:
"to ACCEPT something as true, genuine, or real".

That is the point,a mis-usage of those words would imply faith....I accept the theory of gravity can be switched to I believe the theory of gravity....making lay people think it's a contrast of faith.

You said we've witnessed first hand the birth of planets and starts? I disagree with you. I'd rather say that new planets and stars are being discovered, with advancement in astronomy.

Please and please...go and look up observed accretion events..

We've observed planet formation dozens of times....perhaps you need to read through the observations...

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=observed+planet+formation+events&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=5qAKVb2jLMusUYOmgpgI&ved=0CBkQgQMwAA

None of the astronomists can prove with certainty that those planets and starts were just formed.
Even if they are, can He who formed the universe not advance it further?

You've exposed yourself already....you've already established that if I provide you with the evidence of the contrary you'd merely say... "god did it"....which of course would be fine to you but it provides problems to your belief....in that the universe is not fully formed yet....but the bible claims it's already been...

If new things are still being formed this instant then doesn't it contradict your doctrine of everything being magically created fully formed?

You also said work gets rearranged into different forms of which part of it can be matter...

Yes....work is useful energy.

That's not what Newton law says. It states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed but converted from one form (of energy) to another (not converted to matter) .

I guess they don't teach physics like they used to...

If I may ask,how do you consider element formation from fusion and fission of electrons....

http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/MatterEnergy.htm


Under the right conditions, energy can become mass, and vice versa.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/physics/legacy-of-e-equals-mc2.html

You can't convert energy to matter. You can only convert energy to energy, for example solar energy is converted to heat or electrical energy, chemical energy in petrol is converted to mechanical energy etc.

You're going against einsteins equation of matter-energy conversion e=mc2...

The extent of conversion between matter and energy is governed by the famous relativistic energy equation E=mc2. Essentially this equation tells us that the total amount of energy available in a given amount of mass (if the mass could be fully converted to energy) is determined by multiplying mass by the speed of light squared.

http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/MatterEnergy.htm

By and by, your rebuttal is also flawed, just like the original post has some flaws considering that the op mentioned most atheists, rather than some.

I believe I've presented how "flawed" it is..
You've shown everyone here how "knowledgeable" you are of science and how that "knowledge" affects your belief.

By the way, I believe in God and I'm a Christian. I don't have answers to everything about the earth or creation, but I still choose to believe.

Nobody said you have answers....and It doesn't really affect your "counter rebuttal" if you're a christian or not.

ooman:


Why would I agree? What have you said that will make me agree with this nonsense.

Your signature makes me remember this lamentation of Job ---> Why do the wicked live, reach old age, and grow mighty in power? Job 21:7
This post makes me remember this Saying of Jesus, the Son of the most High--> They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32

wordcat:


That's the reason we take care of them. We feed our little kids, we cloth them, we send them to the best school we can afford and above all we protect them as much as we can.

But for your Sky Father, he hide himself in the sky waiting for u to pass thru 40 days dry fasting, blame u when things go wrong and expect u to praise him when luck shines on u.


I am more compassionate, more considerate and more loving than ur sky father

And that is why He takes care of us too. My dear, you take care of your children if the above is anything to go by and not all other persons children. You have an obligation to YOUR children. What of when one of them go nasty, naughty and denying or disrespectful? If young and not understanding you will keep trying to explain and show all the love and care. If he is mature and insist you should let him be. Fatherly love will prevail but every parent knows there is a point to draw the line. And that is God for you.

You think you are more compassionate and considerate. Fathers however equip their children and by every means prepare them for the time they will have to stand on their own. Or are you telling me you follow your children everywhere 24 x 7? So how do they become sound and built up to become capable in life? Okay, you see now. Examinations, parimary school, secondary and then tertiary aside the home training and then finally they are mature to be on their own with only occasionally counsel.

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us


A provision for our salvation was made for all before we ever knew like you got a job and source of livelihood even before knowing it was a baby boy or girl or twins that you will have.

frankmishael1:
just watch and see, ur days on earth had been numbered, I thank my God when ever I pray he answer.

Your GOD is very foolish and useless, take that to the bank. If only you knew how many fools like you have prayed for my death.. most of them are dead already..

I am still alive. A proud son of LUCIFER. I fear not death. Motherfuckkkker.

frankmishael1:
continue foooling ur self, i know my verdict on u

na tomorrow morning naaaa... i go open thread announce to you that i didnt die.. then we will know who just fooled himself...

Misogynist2014:
Your signature makes me remember this lamentation of Job ---> Why do the wicked live, reach old age, and grow mighty in power? Job 21:7
This post makes me remember this Saying of Jesus, the Son of the most High--> They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32

Good riddance.

johnydon22:


na tomorrow morning naaaa... i go open thread announce to you that i didnt die.. then we will know who just fooled himself...

mumu I gave u month end that's the verdict on u

sonOfLucifer:

Your GOD is very foolish and useless, take that to the bank. If only you knew how many fools like you have prayed for my death.. most of them are dead already..

I am still alive. A proud son of LUCIFER. I fear not death. Motherfuckkkker.

have u asked ur father Lucifer why he lost his place in heaven?

frankmishael1:
mumu I gave u month end that's the verdict on u

lolzz and he is already insulting me.. talk about religious morality..

And i say i don't want month's end its too far... i want it today today.. or can't your god do it today?

Look at what religion have done to people

smh..

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

johnydon22:


First of all prove to us that an afterlife exists? or you are only planning what you are not even sure of?

The bible in the hand of a man is sometimes more than a bottle of whiskey in the hand of another.. That you see them who have not learnt to live this life or finished the one they have clamoring and hoping to get another one when they die

The proof of afterlife is that maize in your hand. There can be no new life until the old grain gets into the soil, dies and from it spring up a seedling...we call it transition.

1 Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

I pray the Lord interpret it to you

johnydon22:


lolzz and he is already insulting me.. talk about religious morality..

And i say i don't want month's end its too far... i want it today today.. or can't your god do it today?

Look at what religion have done to people

smh..

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

we shall see

davien:

No,a large number of atheists aren't rationalists...And those that are,don't have to "believe in" anything....you're merely equivocating(exchanging the words) "believe in" instead of "accept" to conjure a resonance of faith...

This is already a fallacy in itself....

Starting by equivocating words to imply faith....you then moved forward to attach your misunderstanding of a scientific theory....

Let us see where this leads to.



In the very same context you're using....it could be said that atheist(more specifcly,the rationalists) also "believe in"(the appropriate term is accept) Newtonian physics....does that magically turn gravity into a belief?

Even so,your dishonest presupposition(pre-concluded assumption) falls apart when you've already said "most atheists"....so you're also generalizing your observation based on a selected group.

Lets proceed.



Tell me what you mean here...because I need you to define your terms here....

And I also question the basis for calling the earth "designed"....what is the determinant of a designed earth?....can you provide or tell me how an undesigned earth would look like...so as to know?

And the reality we share doesn't remotely favour common sense.

Our intuition would tell us that between an egg and a boulder,dropped at the same time and from the same height....that the boulder should hit the ground first(because it's heavier)....but reality differs....

They both hit the ground at the same time(in fact, this is a standard test in physics to demonstrate that our intuitions doesn't matter to any event at play....until demonstrated)

And we've actually witnessed firsthand' the birth of planets and stars from chaotic supernovae...what would you call that?




I doubt any rationalists would say "randomness", but I see perfectly what you're doing...

You're trying to misrepresent the secular position of existence to somehow give your belief a more sane appearance....

The rebuttal I have for this pathetic dishonest misrepresentation is this....

Nature is probabilistic...not entirely random and not entirely ordered,and neither is it neutral(this may shock you ofcourse).....


Lets observe the cell wall....more specificly the semi-permeable membrane....it is a phospholipid bilayer of naturally occuring compounds.

On exposure to water,it's properties(which are determined by the head group and it's chains) form the bilayer by extending its hydrophobic(water dreading) layer in and it's hydrophilic(water loving) layer out...forming the "bilayer" in the process,that keeps the membrane from being permeated by everything(hence the term "semi-permeable"


Note that this function operates due to contrasting features that do not go together(i.e the hydrophobic effect)....but because of probabilistic qualities it encounters...it serves as a building block of cells...literally the walls.



I doubt you know the "law" you're talking about, may we know what this law is called and it's full implications....Is it thermodynamics?

Because if it is,you should have known that "order" and "disorder" in thermodynamics are referred to as "entropy" and entropy actually has values(I.e J/k )...and the total entropy of a system is determined by the work(useful energy)....

And since energy isn't created or destroyed(1st law) ....work gets rearranged into different forms(2nd law)....ofwhich one of those forms is matter.... (2nd law)



This is the hypocrisy of it all, after equivocating and misrepresenting everything you can....you then thank those who subscribe to the same faith you do...for support...

Good job, by this rate the well knowledgeable would depart from your religion after witnessing the extents used to retain the belief.

Gosh so tired, it takes much work to expose a lie than to tell it...And I believe I've exposed you quite well...

Anyone willing to know any of this should either go to a noteable school of thought, library , google, etc lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipid_bilayer

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/therm/entrop.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrophobic_effect

Why did you say what 47 ppl should av said

frankmishael1:
have u asked ur father Lucifer why he lost his place in heaven?

Have you asked your Father why he killed his Son? Why he raped Joseph's 14-year old virgin fiance ?
Ask your useless moronic God questions first. Also, go through my profile. I have topics that deal with all your nonsense.

slogozer:


The proof of afterlife is that maize in your hand. There can be no new life until the old grain gets into the soil, dies and from it spring up a seedling...we call it transition.

1 Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

I pray the Lord interpret it to you

quoting the bible to prove afterlife exists

what type of proof is that...

Do you want me to show you a proof that i have a pink unicorn in my house?

sonOfLucifer:

Have you asked your Father why he killed his Son? Why he raped Joseph's 14-year old virgin fiance ?
Ask your useless moronic God questions first. Also, go through my profile. I have topics that deal with all your nonsense.

OK then. If u pass this month know I'm not called, u will know what befall u soon

frankmishael1:
we shall see

Now that is it boy... i will open a thread tomorrow for you and if i remember i will open another one 1st day of april...

Hawlahscho:






Why did you say what 47 ppl should av said

I know it's lengthy, but I don't like dishonesty...I'd always try to expose it completely than let someone be deceived.
Beliefs influence actions...

slogozer:


You think you are more compassionate and considerate?

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.



8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
.

YES, I am more Compassionate and Considerate than your Sky Father.

An Almighty Omnipotent and Omniscient god is thinking of a way to forgive his erring creations and the only idea that came to his evil mind was to allow his co-creator to be tortured and killed by the same creation!

What a Malevolent being!!!!!!!!!!

frankmishael1:
OK then. If u pass this month know I'm not called, u will know what befall u soon

Lmao , you are very funny o, quit clowning around abeg.

Some people who claimed to have been called before you, have said the same and nothing had happened.