ABDULADINO:
Babagnoni..your writes up are unmistakable.

WinsomeX:
I just saw this on front page. Follow me to examine it closely as I try to prove my central thesis here that CE is a cult.



The truth is that the Nigerian tabloid had been reporting a lot more scandal of Pastor Chris and a publication like this will go a long way in redeeming his image.



"Apostolic wonder"... Quite some title don't you think?



Now that's what I have been looking for which I had not seen anywhere else. Every cult requires the founder/prophet/god to have some supernatural encounter. This encounter is what elevates them to the level of the superhuman and that separates them from ordinary members. It could be an angekic encounter, a mystwrius happening when the chap was in the wimv, some dream, a voice that spoke to him, etc. The bible is never enough. Faith is never enough. There must be some ENCOUNTER...

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.



OK. Following...



Who are these "neighbours in the faith"? Fellows Pentecostals or Fellow WoFaither?

There is only one way to prove the god-man nature, to equate yourself with the bible apostles, and that is to claim to speak in tongues more than anyone else.

Following...



Well, it is your word. I wish I could believe it. Though it could be true, considering the billion these people reap people of.



Like he is Apostle John or Praying Hide. Myth. Can we see some pictures please?



I will not dispute this. Its quite possible.



Hero worship at best. Man worship. The making of god Oyakhilome.

What we used to know in those days was that the holiest men were those most keenly aware of their own depravity. It is the other way round now.

Well if you insist, I will say the only other person that rivals him at this level is T B Joshua.



OK.



Impressive.

How does it add to the gospel?



Can you offer a link to this teaching please?



Impressive.



I quite agree. One aspect of CE is the really beautiful music they make. Though what does it take to make music? Be really smart and talented. Ask R. Kelly, Rihanna or Beyonce.



Well, is this really a spiritual thing? To have rich folks in church.



Same way Oyo State is the pacesetter state in Nigeria? Common. Let's cut down on this self glorification. Nothing spiritual about it.



Yes. Like rivalling Jesus' teaching ministry. gods in the making...



Very tempting offer. I'm not moved. Gospel preaching is not salesmanship.



Congratulation. How is this spiritual in anyway?



Now this got my attention. Please provide school and year of attendance, pls. No honorary degrees from loveworld schools o!



Impressive. Congrats.



O yea. Like many rich and worldly CEOs. I'm yet to see what is really spiritual about this.

Compare all this self glorification to another apostle of scripture:

1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? 4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you. 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 4:13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day...

That thread must've been one of the worst nightmares you've had in while uh?
Funny enough you brought it into your thread all by yourself.
Call it hero-worship or whatever; why else is Paul and other apostles relevant today if not their gospel-feat.
If you cannot state a feat you achieved for the gospel then shame on you for publishing falsehood against those who have.
Meanwhile, keep complaining while we keep spreading the gospel till the Lord comes.

A closer look at that scripture you quoted there... hmnn...
That must hurt 'cus you've just shot yourself in the foot! Kpele!
@Gombs - who's the cry baby now uh?

Kenny4lyfe:


That thread must've been one of the worst nightmares you've had in while uh?
Funny enough you brought it into your thread all by yourself.
Call it hero-worship or whatever; why else is Paul and other apostles relevant today if not their gospel-feat.
If you cannot state a feat you achieved for the gospel then shame on you for publishing falsehood against those who have.
Meanwhile, keep complaining while we keep spreading the gospel till the Lord comes.

A closer look at that scripture you quoted there... hmnn...
That must hurt 'cus you've just shot yourself in the foot! Kpele!
@Gombs - who's the cry baby now uh?

Paul:
1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Paul:
4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Paul:
4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Paul:
4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Paul:
4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.

Paul:
4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised.

Paul:
4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Paul:

4:13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day...

WinsomeX:


I expected this and it's just in keeping with your style.

But, just one favour I beg:

What School awarded Chris Oyakhilome a PHD and what year was it? When did Oga collect Prof??

Das'all!

Good to to know someone here digs my style.

Oh common don't tell me you're interested in Pneumatology?
That's our cult stuff. I shouldn't share with a non-member, unless you wanna be a part of the house!

Kenny4lyfe:

Good to to know someone here digs my style.
Oh common don't tell me you're interested in Pneumatology?
That's our cult stuff. I shouldn't share with a non-member, unless you wanna be a part of the house!

Kenny4lyfe:


Good to to know someone here digs my style.

Oh common don't tell me you're interested in Pneumatology?
That's our cult stuff. I shouldn't share with a non-member, unless you wanna be a part of the house!

seedgreen:
I was thinking with the way he thinks he know Rev Chris, he should know where and when he got the Phd.....
tell him to ask Google.com

WinsomeX:


It was a simple question that could have been answered with a simple answer.

But thanks to sammied for the suggestion to go to Google. the truth is that so far, I have not contacted that resource since this thread started and this was a nice reminder. Consider what a former editor on Charisma magazine wrote on CE. Note, I'm not Pentecostal and do not subscribe to all Charisma teaching but this is very insightful:

www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/15366-false-prophets-foreign-charlatans-and-global-deception

Courtesy of Google.

From now I will contact Google a lot more. BTW, Google has no record of Oyakhilome PHD.

WinsomeX:
I did not see this article until this morning when someone suggested Google. This is a fellow Pentecostal calling Chris Oyakhilome's religion a cult. A fine summary of all I have been saying since I'm this thread. What do we have to say about this?

CC: Joagbaje, Gombs, kenny4life, sammied, seedgreen and vooks.

WinsomeX:
I did not see this article until this morning when someone suggested Google. This is a fellow Pentecostal calling Chris Oyakhilome's religion a cult. A fine summary of all I have been saying since I'm this thread. What do we have to say about this?

CC: Joagbaje, Gombs, kenny4life, sammied, seedgreen and vooks.

PastorKun:


Why do you cec cultist tell so many lies to promote oyakhilome's brand and business. I am willing to bet my life that that filthy trash you call ror is not in up to 50 languages talkless of 565. Who reads the thrash apart from the thoroughly brainwashed cec victims

PastorKun:


I challenge you to provide solid evidence from credible sources (not cec sources) that proves your filthy ror is published in 565 languages.

Gombs:


Well, that bloke wrote what he did in 2012, ROR was just about 70 languages, could you write him and say as of today, ROR is 565 languages and will be almost 650 by December.

Could you write also that the churches in UK, US and Canada has increased by almost 300% since he wrote that piece? Tell him in fact, my friend is the head pastor CE Belgium (Yes, The whole Belgium). For your information, he is less than 30, and started the CE church in Belgium in 2013. You're almost 50 o...think about it. Keep writing and criticising, continue, while others take over nations for Christ. You're yet to win NL with your message self.

Also write to him that Romania has more pastors under the tutelage of Pastor Chris, and that CE Romania is flourishing.

Tell him this year alone, 10,000 ROR was distributed in Iraq, winning 3,000 to the Lord. Worthy of note was it was done with the partnership of 4 other churches; the apostolic, the Baptist, the Evangelical and the Nazareth Churches.

Tell him, like you, Pastor Chris don't care what you write or will write or are writing... He's set on a course he wants to finish.

Tell him, like you, his fellowship will suffer same fate as yours, solely because God will resist who ever speaks against His servants.

Tell him Chris and Hinn he wrote about are waxing strong and great, doing the Lord's biddings.

Tell him, I know he's almost bankrupt. All church critics end up broke... He's broke now, and like you'd say "there's nothing wrong in being poor, after all Jesus was poor and sick at a time" "it's God's will" etc.

Have a great day.

vooks:
If only numbers=truth

Gombs:


Well, that bloke wrote what he did in 2012, ROR was just about 70 languages, could you write him and say as of today, ROR is 565 languages and will be almost 650 by December.

Could you write also that the churches in UK, US and Canada has increased by almost 300% since he wrote that piece? Tell him in fact, my friend is the head pastor CE Belgium (Yes, The whole Belgium). For your information, he is less than 30, and started the CE church in Belgium in 2013. You're almost 50 o...think about it. Keep writing and criticising, continue, while others take over nations for Christ. You're yet to win NL with your message self.

Also write to him that Romania has more pastors under the tutelage of Pastor Chris, and that CE Romania is flourishing.

Tell him this year alone, 10,000 ROR was distributed in Iraq, winning 3,000 to the Lord. Worthy of note was it was done with the partnership of 4 other churches; the apostolic, the Baptist, the Evangelical and the Nazareth Churches.

Tell him, like you, Pastor Chris don't care what you write or will write or are writing... He's set on a course he wants to finish.

Tell him, like you, his fellowship will suffer same fate as yours, solely because God will resist who ever speaks against His servants.

Tell him Chris and Hinn he wrote about are waxing strong and great, doing the Lord's biddings.

Tell him, I know he's almost bankrupt. All church critics end up broke... He's broke now, and like you'd say "there's nothing wrong in being poor, after all Jesus was poor and sick at a time" "it's God's will" etc.

Have a great day.

WinsomeX:


I believe Gombs.

Only that Jehovah Witnesses have done better you guys and it has not changed their status as cults.

Like. vooks rightly said: numbers do not equal to truth. In fact by Jesus' premise, truth will walk a narrow road.

Gombs:


It's ok to disbelieve. Folks didn't believe Jesus even after he rose folks from the dead.

vooks:
Am agnostic about your numbers.
What I mean is, numbers don't equal Truth; you could be the largest in EVERYTHING, including the mundane such as watching the least TV,having the longest urinals and the most toilets in your washrooms as CEC, but that don't mean you have the Truth.

PastorKun:


You don't need my email address, you can post your so called evidence(if it exists) for all to see on this thread.

Gombs:


*Gently Humming
[size=28pt]All Over the World[/size]

[size=18pt]by Roy Turner[/size]

All over the world the Spirit is moving
All over the world as the prophet said it would be
All over the world there's a mighty revelation
Of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea

*continues Humming

i want to start a thread about miracles... i will uplod videos of amazing mircles by Pastor Chris. Stay tuned

WinsomeX:
I did not see this article until this morning when someone suggested Google. This is a fellow Pentecostal calling Chris Oyakhilome's religion a cult. A fine summary of all I have been saying since I'm this thread. What do we have to say about this?

CC: Joagbaje, Gombs, kenny4life, sammied, seedgreen and vooks.

I'm with @Gombs on this one!.
Well, that bloke wrote what he did in 2012, ROR was just about 70
languages, could you write him and say as of today, ROR is 565
languages and will be almost 650 by December.
Could you write also that the churches in UK, US and Canada has
increased by almost 300% since he wrote that piece? Tell him in fact,
my friend is the head pastor CE Belgium (Yes, The whole Belgium).
For your information, he is less than 30, and started the CE church in
Belgium in 2013. You're almost 50 o...think about it. Keep writing and
criticising, continue, while others take over nations for Christ. You're
yet to win NL with your message self.
Also write to him that Romania has more pastors under the tutelage
of Pastor Chris, and that CE Romania is flourishing.
Tell him this year alone, 10,000 ROR was distributed in Iraq, winning
3,000 to the Lord. Worthy of note was it was done with the
partnership of 4 other churches; the apostolic, the Baptist, the
Evangelical and the Nazareth Churches.
Tell him, like you, Pastor Chris don't care what you write or will write
or are writing... He's set on a course he wants to finish.
Tell him, like you, his fellowship will suffer same fate as yours, solely
because God will resist who ever speaks against His servants.
Tell him Chris and Hinn he wrote about are waxing strong and great,
doing the Lord's biddings.
Tell him, I know he's almost bankrupt. All church critics end up
broke... He's broke now, and like you'd say "there's nothing wrong in
being poor, after all Jesus was poor and sick at a time" "it's God's
will" etc.
Have a great day.

WinsomeX:


As you work on that please tell us where Pastor Chris got his PHD from. Year, etc. When and how he became a Prof.

Gombs:


*Gently Humming
[size=28pt]All Over the World[/size]

[size=18pt]by Roy Turner[/size]

All over the world the Spirit is moving
All over the world as the prophet said it would be
All over the world there's a mighty revelation
Of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea

*continues Humming

i want to start a thread about miracles... i will uplod videos of amazing mircles by Pastor Chris. Stay tuned

Gombs:


Have ye the truth? if 'Yes', what have you done with it?

Jesus will ask you this someday.