agaugust:


50% to 70%.

Have you entered inside the F92 ship to see if the navionics are installed? Electrical, electronics, sensors, fittings, etc? Show us the inside !

A ship is only about half complete with a metal hull and engine, what of the interior? Else, the ship is a carcass . LOL.

Envy is your problem.

Then hey, your photo is from Beegeagle, shall we begin to use Beegeagle as a source on this forum, seems you South Africans want monopoly of being the only ones who use Beegeeagle as source when it pleases your agenda.

Your photo is from, give him credit for it

Beegeagle https://beegeagle./2015/01/11/the-nigerian-navys-second-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessel-nns-unity-f92/

We Nigerians too want to start using Beegeagle as a source here, including all the comments from Col.Eben Barlow
.

Can you see how useless your brain is. A picture is a picture is a picture. Beegeagle source or BBC source. It's a picture, not an article.

Again, you are out of your intellectual depth. Just like the air pressure argument, this is not for you. You will be demolished.

Ships are built in pre-fabricated modules and welded together. Do you know what that means? It means each pre-fabricated module must have it's fittings, electronics, cables in places before they place them together for final welding. Once modules are placed together, then you can strip connections, re-wire, changes pipes and valves etc in a later mid-life re-fit. Or you think an empty shell will arrive in Nigeria, and some Ogugubugu will crawl around the ship fitting electrical cables?

You think you're only looking at a metal hull and engine in the second picture? What engine control system is controlling the engine from the bridge? Or they sail it to Nigeria just hoping nothing goes wrong? The captain knows his engine RPM, power output, efficiency at all time. Meaning engine control software is installed. Meaning systems monitoring pressure, temperature etc are installed. Communication mast is installed. Navigation systems are operating (or they used the stars to navigate from China to Cape Town, then Cape Town to Nigeria?)

You are out of your intellectual depth. Simple

While I'm at it....tell us why airliners are pressurized at high altitude.

Nigeria got NOTHING/ZERO anywhere close to "50-70%" of anything.

saengine:


Can you see how useless your brain is. A picture is a picture is a picture. Beegeagle source or BBC source. It's a picture, not an article.

Again, you are out of your intellectual depth. Just like the air pressure argument, this is not for you. You will be demolished.

Ships are built in pre-fabricated modules and welded together. Do you know what that means? It means each pre-fabricated module must have it's fittings, electronics, cables in places before they place them together for final welding. Once modules are placed together, then you can strip connections, re-wire, changes pipes and valves etc in a later mid-life re-fit. Or you think an empty shell will arrive in Nigeria, and some Ogugubugu will crawl around the ship fitting electrical cables?

You think you're only looking at a metal hull and engine in the second picture? What engine control system is controlling the engine from the bridge? Or they sail it to Nigeria just hoping nothing goes wrong? The captain knows his engine RPM, power output, efficiency at all time. Meaning engine control software is installed. Meaning systems monitoring pressure, temperature etc are installed. Communication mast is installed. Navigation systems are operating (or they used the stars to navigate from China to Cape Town, then Cape Town to Nigeria?)

You are out of your intellectual depth. Simple

While I'm at it....tell us why airliners are pressurized at high altitude.

Nigeria got NOTHING/ZERO anywhere close to "50-70%" of anything.

You quote the people on Beegeagle and you claim that Augustine is the same one on Nairaland, you post his claims about South African navy Vs Nigerian navy as facts according to you, you also post his comments about Roland missiles as facts, those are not photos, they are peoples' comments, yet you want us to ignore the comments made by Col.Eben Barlow on the same Beegeeagle blog because it does not favour you, so you claim it's same Augustine but not same Col.Eben Barlow.....Beegeeagle is right only when you South Africans say so, right? LOL...LOL.

You guys have officially made Beegeeagle an accepted source on Nairaland. South Africans cannot continue copying and pasting comments from Beegeeagle here, and reject comments from same Beegeagle when quoted by Nigerians. We will both use Beegeagle as valid source from now on....Equation balanced.

First, you need to show us the interior of the ship to proof your fairy tale that the ship is ready to sail. LOL.

You need to prove that all the control room is fully built and prove that the ship is sailing on it's own NOT TUGGED by another ship to Nigeria, prove it, since you are the captain of the F92 ship, and you are in charge of the imaginary control room fully built by you. LOL.

Show us the control room built and ready. LOL....I dare you to show us.

You live in 3rd world country that you claim is equal to Europe. LOL.

What do you know about ship construction? You have not seen modular ships before? You can piece a modular ship together for sailing China to Nigeria, then the ship gets to Nigeria and is dis-assembled again to re-modularize parts and electronics, even the structures on the deck are modular design, you can take them apart in Nigeria to fit or refit parts in line with construction agreements.

LOL.....This Soweto guy thinks a modern MODULAR ship is built like with concrete-cement and is permanently fixed like his house. LOL.

That is how far your 2nd bottom of the world South African brain can think in . LOL...LOL...LOL.

South Africa will NEVER build 2% of a stealth warship until year 2050.

Agreement is 50%-70 % built in Nigeria, no breech of agreement has been reported. You need to prove a breech of agreement....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-18300358
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Henry120:


South-Africa did not design that Half-french Helicopter. An obsolete Helicopter with 30 years old dinosaur avionics nobody wants.


It states clearly that the Half-french is dependent on the French for it's systems, sub-systems and general components.

Go read my link.

I read your link, its dated 2007, I posted sources from 2012 and 2015 that state our Rooivalk have all been upgraded to 1f std , secondly nowhere in your source does it state that the Rooivalk is a French design and lastly you have yet to show me which French components and sub components Denel used to build the Rooivalk excld the engine and rotor.

Henry120:


That Hind only got delivered, and wasn't part of the mission.

Dude you are obviously lost, do you even remembered what you posted?

agaugust:


You quote the people on Beegeagle and you claim that Augustine is the same one on Nairaland, you post his claims about South African navy Vs Nigerian navy as facts according to you, you also post his comments about Roland missiles as facts, those are not photos, they are peoples' comments, yet you want us to ignore the comments made by Col.Eben Barlow on the same Beegeeagle blog because it does not favour you, so you claim it's same Augustine but not same Col.Eben Barlow.....Beegeeagle is right only when you South Africans say so, right? LOL...LOL.

You guys have officially made Beegeeagle an accepted source on Nairaland. South Africans cannot continue copying and pasting comments from Beegeeagle here, and reject comments from same Beegeagle when quoted by Nigerians. We will both use Beegeagle as valid source from now on....Equation balanced.

First, you need to show us the interior of the ship to proof your fairy tale that the ship is ready to sail. LOL.

You need to prove that all the control room is fully built and prove that the ship is sailing on it's own NOT TUGGED by another ship to Nigeria, prove it, since you are the captain of the F92 ship, and you are in charge of the imaginary control room fully built by you. LOL.

Show us the control room built and ready. LOL....I dare you to show us.

You live in 3rd world country that you claim is equal to Europe. LOL.

What do you know about ship construction? You have not seen modular ships before? You can piece a modular ship together for sailing China to Nigeria, then the ship gets to Nigeria and is dis-assembled again to re-modularize parts and electronics, even the structures on the deck are modular design, you can take them apart in Nigeria to fit or refit parts in line with construction agreements.

LOL.....This Soweto guy thinks a modern MODULAR ship is built like with concrete-cement and is permanently fixed like his house. LOL.

That is how far your 2nd bottom of the world South African brain can think in . LOL...LOL...LOL.

South Africa will NEVER build 2% of a stealth warship until year 2050.

Agreement is 50%-70 % built in Nigeria, no breech of agreement has been reported. You need to prove a breech of agreement....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-18300358
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I posted multiple photos of your opv's leaving Simonstown and sailing on their own on the other thread, they were definitively not being towed from Cape town to Nigeria.

overhypedsteve:
your Rooivalk(a combat bird) was getting its upgrade and technical corrections suggestions from flying photography missions, it is still very photography compliant but overtime without any actual combat test which would have brought up the need for upgrades or the induction of new avionics. Overtime your rooivalk is growing outdated. African nations are in the hunt for new combat birds to face emerging threats in africa but nobody is looking south...

Rooivalk saw combat in drc

Upgrades are a normal part of operating a platform

Most african nations cannot afford the rooivalk

Henry120:


No, the Patria IFV is Finish.

Then the ikiri is south african

Exellent

Henry120:


http://saharareporters.com/2014/07/25/anti-terrorism-offensive-nigeria-orders-40-helicopters

Sipri and other military sources disagree

Henry120:


23 years and counting

Implying the project has been operational for all 23 years

Henry120:


Then the U.S in over 1000 strike missions with at least 2 paveway bombs per strike costing 21,000 per bomb destroyed the small town.


How is this an effective strategy?

Did kobani fall or not?

To quote a famous Vietnam-era US general "we had to destroy the city to save it"

Henry120:


Yes, unlike the Cobra deal, the Airforce CAS stated clearly the service is in the process of acquiring the T-129.

And the same things have been said about Tucano's, JF-17's, SU-30's etc etc

Are any of those things in service?

Henry120:


Which has been proven time and again to be a comical, virtually r3tarded conclusion.

When has it been proven?

The fact that the USAF has chosen the F35 to replace the Warthog shows that this is the currently accepted mode of military thinking

Henry120:


No, because you fly it.

Same as that AH the french built for you that was roundly rejected by Turkey, Malaysia, the U.K etc etc

We fly the Supa Puma because you say so?

Henry120:


Changing the name of a french built Helicopter doesn't equal to you building it.

Still waiting for you to show us it is french built

Fact is that all your nation can build is a sh1tty AFV

Fact is that we build attack helicopters

These facts make you angry

Dont be angry with us, be angry with the pathetic state of your nations military-industrial complex

Henry120:


How?

Because the exact same thing is happening now

agaugust:




It was not me that said Nigeria is buying Super Tucano, it was Nigeria`s Vice President and South African defenceweb magazine .

So how am I responsible for information that originates from credible sources? I think you need brain surgery from the way you think.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32881:nigeria-interested-in-buying-super-tucanos&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Now go call South African defenceweb a liar for spreading false information about NAF buying Tucano.

Mumu !
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"Nigeria INTERESTED IN BUYING"

Is what defence web said

"Nigeria IS GETTING"

Is what you said

The same thing is happening now

agaugust:


I have NOT see any South African content in Igirigi APC, Nigeria imported engine from North America
.

So Igiri is American then?

Henry120:
The Nigerian Army has at-least 252 Otokar Cobra's in service. Far higher than the 209 figure most sources give.

Nigerian Army Cobra 252 conducting election duties.

Citation needed

agaugust:


T-72 tanks

BVP-1 IFV

RM-70 MRLS

Mi-171 Terminator

Mi-35 Hind E

CH-3A Missile drones

Huey Helicopters

Beryl Rifles

BigFoot MRAPS

American PGM enabled Alpha jets

AR-1 air to surface missiles

Wow, I did not even know the list is this long ! Thanks for asking Patches
.

I dont see any tucanos, su-30's, jf-17, T80 Oplot etc on that list

Try stay on topic

agaugust:


Nigeria's PGM is AR-1 air to ground guided missile, it is a missile not a bomb like yours.

South Africa has NO SINGLE air to ground missile, your Paveway is nothing but a fvcking bomb, NOT rocket, NOT missile, it is powered by a battery like your mobile phone, it does NOT have a rocket ! Now shuut uup ! Stop telling lies !

"Paveway is a trademark of Raytheon for laser-guided bombs, Paveway kits attach to a thermal battery."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paveway
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Your missile can only be launched from a drone - easy target

Ours can be launched from Gripen or Hawk

Ours has a bigger warhead than your missile

A riddle guys...
What do you get when u re-arrange a french super puma helicopter's component in SA?

agaugust:


Yes Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B, it's on SIPRI and even Patches cannot deny it on SIPRI database. Argument was 39 cal or 52 cal. Stop arguing about matters that you know nothing about, you jump into other peoples' argument you makes you look like a brainless He-Goat.

T-84 is NOT an upgraded T-80. Learn to admit when you are wrong, e.g. SAAF Gripen has NO air to ground missiles even if a source says so, I corrected you, yet you keep refusing to agree you are wrong, have you ever seen Andrewza or Patches say SAAF has air to ground missile on Gripen jet? Learn to admit when you are clearly very wrong, you are the dumbest white man I have encountered in the last 12 months

T-84 is Oplot, T-80 is not. T-84 has different engine and self defence mech in made in Ukraine.

Learn to learn, or else you will fail accounting, it's got principles called principles of accounting, if you refuse to agree to those principle, your career in accounting will end in your first semester, they will transfer you to Theatre Arts department in another faculty
.

T-84 is t-80

Just like both an M1A1 and an M1A2 are both Abrams

agaugust:


T-84 is NOT T-80, I just educated you earlier, are you a He-Goat ?

Forum and Blog quote the Ukrainian website which is NOT a blog. The story was posted all over the world, with the photos of the tanks at the airport, confirmed heading to Nigeria.

"While Ukrainian soldiers in the ATO area are in dire need of arms and military equipment, Ukraine is going to send to Nigeria two advanced battle tanks "Oplot", made in the Ukrainian Malyshev Plant in Kharkiv.

Oleh Tytarenko, a lawyer and a member of the Shevchenko district (Kyiv) local defense informed about this, Censor.NET reports."

He said that the tanks were supposed to fly to Nigeria yesterday, but due to problems with a Ruslan plane, the flight was delayed. According to Titarenko, this fact has caused a storm of indignation among the workers of the Antonov plant (at this time the tanks are at the plant's airport in Hostomel). The information on combat vehicles sending to Nigeria got leaked to the political circles that's why the tanks are still in Ukraine."

http://defence.pk/threads/ukraine-to-send-two-sophisticated-tanks-to-nigeria.334850/

The website is down, probably because the lawyer is fighting Ukrainian government for selling T-84 Oplot tanks to Nigeria.

Last year the website was working and we all read it here, South Africans and Nigerians all read it and confirmed it befaore you came with your He-Goat brain

Point is this

You use obscure sources and rumors to claim that you have equipment that you don't and in the end dont get

SAAF has mini-guns - but we dont talk about them because we dont know details

Apply some standards to your posts

Henry120:


Buhahahahahahahaha....... your Half-french AH is an obsolete piece of junk!!!!




when the war in Angola ended in 1988 and the then South African government began to cut the defence budget. The first Rooivalk proto- type made its maiden flight only in 1990.

Budget cuts inflicted further delays on the programme, and the planned acquisition was cut from 36 to only 12. This deprived the programme of the benefits of economies of scale.




reportedly hailed by all who have flown it. It is also ideal for operations in Africa.

But its avionics system, a magnificent achievement for local industry when it was developed and integrated in the late 1980s, is today as obsolete as a dinosaur’s brain.

This is a key reason in Denel’s failure to export the aircraft. No one will buy a warplane whose avionics system is based on 20-year-old computers.


Export possibilities have been further reduced by foreign worries about the long-term viability of Denel: will the company still be around in 20 years to continue to support the Rooivalk, if they should buy it? And then there is the fact that the Rooivalk is very heavily dependent on French technology, now the property of Eurocopter, yet Denel tried to export the Rooivalk not only without Eurocopter’s prior agreement and support, but actually in open competition (for example, in Australia) with Eurocopter’s own Tiger.


http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/what-went-wrong-with-the-rooivalk-2007-06-08-1

Posting opinion peices =\= relevant

Henry120:


The SAAF flies a Super-Puma, this is a statistical fact!!!!


[b]The then South African Defence Force saw a real need for an attack helicopter, in order to escort and support heliborne raiding forces, destroy anti-aircraft positions, and meet the potential threat of growing tank forces in other African countries, particularly Angola. Equipped with anti-tank missiles, such a helicopter could neutralise numerically superior hostile tank forces.

But – and this is a very important point – South Africa could not design and build a complete helicopter from scratch. The design, development and manufacture of the necessary powerplant and dynamics system (rotor head, main and tail rotors, and main and tail gearboxes) were beyond this country’s capabilities. Acquiring such capabilities would have been extremely time consuming and incredibly expensive, rendering the project totally impractical. So the new machine had to be based on an existing design, as far as its power plants and dynamics were concerned.


the Super Puma, which first flew in late 1978. This led to South Africa’s developing and successfully executing a project to produce a new helicopter that was a hybrid of the Puma and the Super Puma – the Denel Oryx. The Oryx has a fuselage that is longer than that of the Puma but shorter than that of the Super Puma, and was fitted with the powerplants, dynamics systems, and tail boom of the Super Puma (later, military versions of the Super Puma were redesignated Cougar).

As the French were allowing South Africa to use the powerplants and dynamics of the Super Puma, they would surely have agreed to the South Africans using the same elements from the Dauphin. However, the SAAF felt that using the same engines and dynamics as the Oryx would simplify logistics and reduce maintenance costs, so the decision was made to use the Super Puma systems as the basis for the Rooivalk.
[/b]

Congradulations on confirming that we dont fly the super puma

Thanks for the hard work

Henry120:


Your Half-French AH isn't french because it has a french engine...... no, no, no, it is French because it is heavily dependent on French technology, components and Sub-components.

It is the first French Helicopter built outside France.

Then the Igiri is american

Great

Henry120:


Your MK1F standard is still 30 years behind what is currently available. It is still obsolete.

Because you say so?

Henry120:


The Oryx has a fuselage that is longer than that of the Puma but shorter than that of the Super Puma, and was fitted with the powerplants, dynamics systems, and tail boom of the Super Puma (later, military versions of the Super Puma were redesignated Cougar).



This proves beyond all doubt that your medium lift Helicopter is a Super-Puma. Giving it a medium sized fuselage and a name change does nothing to change this fact.

The fact that it is both a puma and a super puma means that it is neither

Henry120:


Your French AH was rejected by Australia, Malaysia, Turkey, the U.K and host of other countries. It is an obsolete piece of crap built with avionics that are over 30 years old.

When will you ever post a single citation to support this?

quite frankly, your obsession with the Rooivalk is bizarre

patches689:


Rooivalk saw combat in drc

Upgrades are a normal part of operating a platform

Most african nations cannot afford the rooivalk

congrats! you have built a bird that your country and her immediate natural allies cannot afford. can anything be more stupid.

Henry120:


SAAF AH is an obsolete French Helicopter, running on 30 years old avionics.

Same as your medium lift Super-Puma.

You have just been informed of the mk1 upgrade and yet yoh continue to say the same thing over and over?

It is evident you are suffering another breakdown

Dont worry, maybe in the next 60 or so years Nigeria will be able to build something of note