Alexmoses007:


Thanks you have made my work easier.

You definitely would not equate the golden calf with Ark of the Covenant (but kindly let me know if you do) neither would the Isrealites equate the Ark with God (but that did not mean they did not venerate it). If you understand these differences then you understand the veneration given to sacred images inthe Catholic Church

Maryalex1805:
Dahs blasphemy...mind wah u say

charlsecy:

Note that the "We Fly To Your Patronage" prayer doesn't ask Mary to pray to Jesus to protect you. Instead, it plainly asks Mary for protection. Again. The prayer doesn't ask Mary to intercede for your protection. Rather, it directly beseeches Mary for protection, which in my understanding, constitutes worship, NOT intercession.

honourhim:


You are not praying to the mother of Jesus because she is dead and her body and bone decayed like any other person that died in her time. She is not hearing you. Obviosly you are praying to silly Mary, a mermaid.

Again Jesus did not ever say that he turned water into wine because of Mary. And if you think that Mary's case was the only miracle that Jesus had reason not to do but went on to do it then means u are deceiving yourself. Rrmember the woman of Canaan whom Jesus told that it is not okay to give the children's food to dogs? Was she the mother of Jesus? Yet Jesus answered her request afterwards.
What moved Jesus to turn water into wine was Mary's faith. It was the same faith that moved him in the case of the woman of Canaan and in the cases of all the people he healed and he is still healing. Dont be deceived.

Syncan:



"the twenty-four elders,fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" Rev. 5:8.

Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" Rev. 8:3–4.

So tell me, were they sharing the role of Christ there?

italo:


The question was "is praise prayer?"

And please show me where the Bible said the bold.

italo:


Repetitive prayer can never be at the same time. It is always one after the other.

Jesus repeated the same prayer 3 times with (at most a few hours). The four living creatures repeat the same prayer for eternity.

What is your problem with Catholics?

Ichiato:

Bro, what exactly makes you a Catholic? Can I boldly claim to be a Christian andvyet have issues with certain practices of christ? Is not enough to label yourself a Catholic to actually be one. You have be in line with her practices.

Jonathan:

SO GOD HAD SEX WITH A VIRGIN GIRL AND LATER GAVE BIRTH TO HIMSELF
SMH
HOW SENSELESS ARE THIS PEOPLE
Crazy silly people

ONLY ONE CONDOM COULD HAVE SAVED THE WHOLE WORLD...

VcStunner:
thanks for the question aii... U wanna be a catholic? There are sacraments to take. u must just have to go for catechism classes to understand a little about this great church of the living God, why I hav issues is personal because it takes d mind dat discern to know wen his or her believe is under attack. Some of my churchs doctrines have been compromised since the inception of the Vatican 2( if u knw wat it means), and d church is targetted cuz is d only stronghold of the christian faith from which ur young pastor broke out from to use canal wisdom and earthly manipulations to lure u into his personal believes and principles. Like I said I've already made my point, u've d liberty to ur belief and like I always say we will get ther by his grace only

Ichiato:

What kind of childish thinking is this? So we must always specify that she is to ask her son to give us the protection we ask her? Lets reason a bit. I am the second son of my mother who is married to my very rich father. I also have an elder brother who is in charge of all my father's businesses and indeed has my father's authority to do whatever he so pleases with his business. Now I need to something from my father's business and I ask my mother. According to you I must also specify that she must ask my eldest brother for it before my request is considered legitimate? You my friend are certainly funny.

charlsecy:


The pastor cannot deliver you; he can only pray for your protection in the Name of Jesus Christ. And you should never say, for example, "O' Pastor James, deliver me from all dangers." That is idolatry!

Note that the "We Fly To Your Patronage" prayer doesn't ask Mary to pray to Jesus to protect you. Instead, it plainly asks Mary for protection. Again. The prayer doesn't ask Mary to intercede for your protection. Rather, it directly beseeches Mary for protection, which in my understanding, constitutes worship, NOT intercession.

We pray to an entity we worship. The purpose of prayers is to commune with our creator. The content may be:

*Praise and Thanksgiving
*Request for forgiveness
*Request for protection
*Request for any other noble heart desires

Can you show how the "We Fly To Your Patronage" prayer isn't a sort of worship?

ILIDEFI:


We aren't just talking about prayer. We're talking about asking the saints in heaven to intercede for you. It's different from their endless duty, which is offering continual praise to God.

ILIDEFI:


Singing "You are Holy", even for a million times whether as a praise or prayer to God is completely worthwhile. But same cannot be said for those that repeat the following lines severally:

"Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with you
Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of you womb, Jesus
Holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death"

Is that a praise or a prayer?
If it's a praise, to whom is it directed. If it's a prayer, still to whom?

Did you see anywhere in Revelations that the saints, Angels, 24 elders, or 4 living creatures were said to be praying for those on earth?
Have you read any such from the letters of Paul, Peter, James and John to the early church?

How then was it introduced into the church?

Ichiato:

What kind of childish thinking is this? So we must always specify that she is to ask her son to give us the protection we ask her? Lets reason a bit. I am the second son of my mother who is married to my very rich father. I also have an elder brother who is in charge of all my father's businesses and indeed has my father's authority to do whatever he so pleases with his business. Now I need to something from my father's business and I ask my mother. According to you I must also specify that she must ask my eldest brother for it before my request is considered legitimate? You my friend are certainly funny.

Ichiato:

Cool down bro, I am a Catholic and I don't have any issues with the churchs teachings as far as Christianity is concerned neither do I have any pastor who broke out from the catholic church.btw I understand that your issues might be personal but also understand that you might not be the only who has that same issue or some experience of that issue hence I would advice you share your issues with someone you trust and not seek to always solve your problems yourself. I myself cannot claim my faith in the churchs teachings as always been strong but it only grew after I objectively seeked answers to my doubts.

italo:


You're still afraid to honestly answer the question.

Is praise prayer?

italo:

You seem scatter-brained.

With what do you have a problem?

Repetitive prayer or asking Mary's intercession?

Ichiato:
So we must always specify that she is to ask her son to give us the protection we ask her?

italo:
Everything you said is merely according to your understanding.

ILIDEFI:


What's your point really? Praise can be an aspect of prayer. Still doesn't change anything.

Praise alone can't replace effective prayer, which is supposed to be a communication with God. It's a 2 way thing.

In Acts of the Apostles, Paul and Silas prayed and sang, before the prison doors and chains were broken. They are 2 activities that are interlinked, but it doesn't meant praise is equal to prayer.

italo:
If I praise God, am I praying?

ILIDEFI:


I'm scatter-brained? My guy, enjoy ur worship of Mary. I don't have strength to join issues with you any further. When you stand before the throne of God, I hope you will confidently defend you actions then.

This is where I will end this argument with you.

charlsecy:




Don't be confused by my use of "In My Understanding." When I said that, I was only being humble. Actually, I meant, "According to Biblical principles." Biblically speaking, we cannot ask Mary "to deliver us from all dangers."

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In Luke 11:1-13, Jesus gives us a valid guideline on how to pray, and it involves directing our prayers to His Father in Heaven...... in his Name, as shown by John 14:13 and John 16:23.

"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [John 14:13; NASV]

Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. [John 16:23; NASV]

I want you to look at the Word of God and avoid teachings of men. How could someone teach what is clearly against the Word of the Master, and you accept that?

charlsecy:

Yes... We pray to an entity we worship. The purpose of prayers is to commune with our Creator. The content may be:

*Praise and thanksgiving
*Invocation of GOD's Will
*Request for forgiveness
*Request for protection
*Request for any other noble heart desires

Check the Lord's Prayer at Luke 11:1-13, taught by Jesus Himself, you would see it contains all these elements including praises.

italo:
If I praise God, am I praying?

charlsecy:




Don't be confused by my use of "In My Understanding." When I said that, I was only being humble. Actually, I meant, "According to Biblical principles." Biblically speaking, we cannot ask Mary "to deliver us from all dangers."

**********

In Luke 11:1-13, Jesus gives us a valid guideline on how to pray, and it involves directing our prayers to His Father in Heaven...... in his Name, as shown by John 14:13 and John 16:23.

"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [John 14:13; NASV]
Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. [John 16:23; NASV]

I want you to look at the Word of God and avoid teachings of men. How could someone teach what is clearly against the Word of the Master, and you accept?

VcStunner:
I hav really tried to sort it out to the point my parish priest was able to secure an appointment for me with the bishop of Yola diocese, I met the the Bishop after 2weeks and explained my self, brought up supporting documents and he read through. He outrightly told me his job is to secure the sheeps and with those documents in my hands I was a potential threat to the faithfuls. And right ther I was officially ex-communicated with couple of friend frm catholic church. So truly if u knw wat I knw now, u may hav sort for God elsewher or better still be a free thinker. Currently A̶̲̥̅♏ a traditional catholic. And A̶̲̥̅♏ done with this topic for good

Alexmoses007:


My friend I would like you to read a beautiful story in Act27. but for brevity "St. Paul was sailing to Rome and there was going to be a ship wreck. There were 246 persons on board the ship. All prayed for safety but in Act 27:14 an angel of the Lord revealed to St. Paul that it was for his sake that God had granted safety to the 246 on board. In the Catholic Church we know and do not hesitate to ask the angels and Saints to pray with us and for us.
They are our allies. Make use of them

ILIDEFI:

Guy, zoom off with your useless question. ZOOM OFF!!!

Ichiato:

According to biblical principles we cannot ask Mary to deliver us from dangers? Where in the bible is it written not to ask Mary?