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EVarn:
My guess is that you are jealous and butthurt.
Whatever you say doesnt change the fact that AFIT is building a light surveillance aircraft locally.
Soon,Nigeria will build Africa's first 4++ generation combat aircraft.

Ease up on the palm wine

Its affecting your judgement

Patchesagain:


Henry

1. No, that is literally not a vertical take-off

2. Pakistani's themselves said in Paris that they are content with the RD-93, and in anycase, multiple sources list the WS-13 as nothing but a licence built RD-93 with minor modifications

3. Lol, 6 Russian jets have crashed in a month including their latest fighter and, again, Russian/Chinese engines are notorious for being maintenance intensive and having a short service life. This will be more of a problem considering that the JF-17 is underpowered and needs to run at 100% to complete the most basic maneuvers.

4. Its not common sense, it is a claim. Until information is available, it is best not to speculate

Dude, IDK what your obsession with the JF-17 is, and IDK why you have such a problem with blatantly superior Western Jets and I dont really care (Because its subjective) all I said, and all I really care about saying, is that it is best not to make disingenuous claims regarding things we have no facts about

1. Excerpt you are blind or have a serious case of Glaucoma affecting your eyes, it was pretty clear the Jet performed a vertical takeoff.


2. Pakistanis have an option of using the WS-17(pennant for the JF-17) or the RD-93. Why don't you prove that the WS-13 is an RD-93?

3. Brand new Iraqi F-16 that had not even been delivered to the Iraqi Airforce crashed in the Nevada desert, killing the Pilot on board. Now this is supposed to be a new Plane. It is clear that not even brand new western Jets are reliable. Malaysian F-16 flew right from the Runway straight into the sewer.


4. It is basic common sense!

5. You really seem to like "talking about stuffs you don't care about".

Henry120:


1. Excerpt you are blind or have a serious case of Glaucoma affecting your eyes, it was pretty clear the Jet performed a vertical takeoff.


2. Pakistanis have an option of using the WS-17(pennant for the JF-17) or the RD-93. Why don't you prove that the WS-13 is an RD-93?

3. Brand new Iraqi F-16 that had not even been delivered to the Iraqi Airforce crashed in the Nevada desert, killing the Pilot on board. Now this is supposed to be a new Plane. It is clear that not even brand new western Jets are reliable. Malaysian F-16 flew right from the Runway straight into the sewer.


4. It is basic common sense!

5. You really seem to like "talking about stuffs you don't care about".

1. No, again, not vertical - 90 degrees is required

2. Pakistani's have said that they are satisfied with the RD-93
http://www.janes.com/article/52308/paris-air-show-2015-jf-17-fighter-flying-with-indigenous-chinese-turbofan

3. So what? 6 Russian Jets crashed in ONE MONTH!!! TWO CRASHED IN UNDER 3 HOURS!!

4. No, it is not common sense. Because something is simple does not mean it is simple to maintain and run - especially if it has to constantly over-use an engine that is known to be maintenance heavy.


5. You are the one obsessing over the JF-17 - I simply pointed out that you have no idea what its operating costs or maintenance hours are like and thus you should not say authoritatively that it is good or cheap

Patchesagain:


1. No, again, not vertical - 90 degrees is required

2. Pakistani's have said that they are satisfied with the RD-93
http://www.janes.com/article/52308/paris-air-show-2015-jf-17-fighter-flying-with-indigenous-chinese-turbofan

3. So what? 6 Russian Jets crashed in ONE MONTH!!! TWO CRASHED IN UNDER 3 HOURS!!

4. No, it is not common sense. Because something is simple does not mean it is simple to maintain and run - especially if it has to constantly over-use an engine that is known to be maintenance heavy.


5. You are the one obsessing over the JF-17 - I simply pointed out that you have no idea what its operating costs or maintenance hours are like and thus you should not say authoritatively that it is good or cheap

1. The JF-17 performed a vertical takeoff in Paris.

www.google.com/m?q=JF-17++vertical+takeoff+in+Paris&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new

2. From your own link you relentless r3tard

A senior Chinese aviation official has revealed that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation FC-1/JF-17 fighter co-developed with Pakistan has been test-flown with a new Chinese medium-thrust turbofan engine.

Li Yuhai, an executive vice president with the Aviation Industries Corporation of China (AVIC), told IHS Jane's at the Paris Airshow that a new Chinese turbofan for the J-17 has been "under testing," has completed "lab tests", and that "flight testing is in progress". He also said that the new engine would have a thrust slightly greater than the 8.7-ton thrust of the JF-17's current Klimov RD-93 turbofan.



3. You are beyond pathetic, your brand new plane crashed in the desert, 2 Gripens crashed within 17 days, a malaysian F-16 moved it's runway to the sewer.

While the fifth GEN F-35 got it's a$s handed to it by a cold war relic.

So much for superior.

4. It is basic common sense actually.


5. It was designed as a low cost Fighter, it shouldn't take you over a second to figure out that both in operational and purchase cost, it is going to be cheaper than many 4 GEN fighters in it's class.


It is not an obsession, they are basic facts.

Henry120:


1. The JF-17 performed a vertical takeoff in Paris.

www.google.com/m?q=JF-17++vertical+takeoff+in+Paris&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new

2. From your own link you relentless r3tard

A senior Chinese aviation official has revealed that the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation FC-1/JF-17 fighter co-developed with Pakistan has been test-flown with a new Chinese medium-thrust turbofan engine.

Li Yuhai, an executive vice president with the Aviation Industries Corporation of China (AVIC), told IHS Jane's at the Paris Airshow that a new Chinese turbofan for the J-17 has been "under testing," has completed "lab tests", and that "flight testing is in progress". He also said that the new engine would have a thrust slightly greater than the 8.7-ton thrust of the JF-17's current Klimov RD-93 turbofan.



3. You are beyond pathetic, your brand new plane crashed in the desert, 2 Gripens crashed within 17 days, a malaysian F-16 moved it's runway to the sewer.

While the fifth GEN F-35 got it's a$s handed to it by a cold war relic.

So much for superior.

4. It is basic common sense actually.


5. It was designed as a low cost Fighter, it shouldn't take you over a second to figure out that both in operational and purchase cost, it is going to be cheaper than many 4 GEN fighters in it's class.


It is not an obsession, they are basic facts.

1. Yeah no - THIS is a vertical take-off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj26RKNipQA

2. And that disproves that Pakistanis will be using the RD-93 how? They said they are happy with it, so why would they change it?

3. And 6 Russian jets crashed in a month, 2 within 3 hours, one of which was a brand new Su-35.

F-35 is still in development - they said that the WVR coding was not complete and that it would be quickly remedied. Not to mention that the F16 and F35 were developed with different doctrines and roles in mind.


And in every engagement between Western Jets and Eastern Jets - western Jets have annihilated their eastern counterparts

4. No, its opinion.

5. Again, Russian and Chinese designs are known as being maintenance intensive and expensive to operate. The "simpler" Mig-29 costs $ 5500 per hour and the Sukhois 27/30 costs $ 7000 - yet the more complex Gripen NG costs only $3000

patches689:


They are in the towns only because you failed to stop them in the bush

this is because Nigeria has no capcity for bush warfare

And their PMC bush craft was essential - as you could only win once they arrived

PMC bush craft was useless in urban warfare, Boko caliphates were in towns not in the bush, or you ever seen an insurgent build caliphate in a bush? Caliphate is a city of people not a jungle of animals you fool

Nigeria only won the war when we decided to launch the much awaited final offensive, we won when we changed strategy from defensive to offensive.

5 PMC men do not change the cause of a hi-tech war where missile armed drones and ISTAR aircrat are dominating, Eben Barlow has said it was a totally Nigerian combat and victory.

Bush warfare? Nigeria fought 10 years in jungles of Liberia and Sierra Leone against bush rebels and same in Nigeria delta jungle against a well armed insurgent force . Nigeria has constant bush-jungle war operations for 25 years non stop.

Last time I checked, SANDF today has ZERO bush war operation in the last 20 years, your army is only available on internet
.

EVarn:
A light aircraft or a drone?
Whichever it is,this is a result of patriotic dedication,educational improvement and technological advancement of AFIT.Furthermore,this goes to show that Nigeria has the technology to reverse-engineer complex electronic armaments like light aircrafts and drones: I guess this explains why the NAF is still clinging to our jaguar fleet{many analysts have recommended a complete overhaul in India}
This is a very good development for our airforce.kudos to AFIT.

Light aircraft called FARAWA....the drone is GULMA....the NAF built FARAWA is an aircraft for light surveillance and training
.

agaugust:


PMC bush craft was useless in urban warfare, Boko caliphates were in towns not in the bush, or you ever seen an insurgent build caliphate in a bush? Caliphate is a city of people not a jungle of animals you fool

Nigeria only won the war when we decided to launch the much awaited final offensive, we won when we changed strategy from defensive to offensive.

5 PMC men do not change the cause of a hi-tech war where missile armed drones and ISTAR aircrat are dominating, Eben Barlow has said it was a totally Nigerian combat and victory.

Bush warfare? Nigeria fought 10 years in jungles of Liberia and Sierra Leone against bush rebels and same in Nigeria delta jungle against a well armed insurgent force . Nigeria has constant bush-jungle war operations for 25 years non stop.

Last time I checked, SANDF today has ZERO bush war operation in the last 20 years, your army is only available on internet
.

1. The war started in the Bush (Sambisa Forest) you couldent fight there so the war moved to the cities

2. The tide of the war was undoubtedly turned by Mercenaries

3. Your wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone were a complete fiasco and the opposition you fought against were barely militia, let alone actual insurgents or a trained force

Stop wasting my time, make a better argument

agaugust:


Light aircraft called FARAWA....the drone is GULMA....the NAF built FARAWA is an aircraft for light surveillance and training
.

FARAWA exists on paper alone

Gulma is reverse engineered Isrealy tech

agaugust:


Light aircraft called FARAWA....the drone is GULMA....the NAF built FARAWA is an aircraft for light surveillance and training
.

wow!..I didnt know AFIT already built a light surveillance aircraft,i only knew about project GULMA.
Can you post pictures?,or direct me to a link where i can view pictures of the aircraft.

EVarn:
wow!..I didnt know AFIT already built a light surveillance aircraft,i only knew about project GULMA.
Can you post pictures?,or direct me to a link where i can view pictures of the aircraft.

Hahahah

Asking augubug for proof is like asking Mugabe to have tea with the Queen

agaugust:


Bushman tactics won't win you a war, it's useless against an enemy that is sitting inside a town doing urban warfare like Boko Haram did .

T-72 tanks and Mi-35 Hind E were the stuff Nigeria used to defeat Boko Haram.

Boko Haram was defeated through the obvious and general use of South African mercenaries.

EVarn:
My guess is that you are jealous and butthurt.
Whatever you say doesnt change the fact that AFIT is building a light surveillance aircraft locally.
Soon,Nigeria will build Africa's first 4++ generation combat aircraft.

It is good to dream big but the question is what are you doing as at today to realize that dream. You are currently not seen as a leader of defence technology on the continent. I see that dream only as being further slip out of your reach.

Sbura:


First things first, I would like to congratulate the Nigerian Armed Forces for their partial success in combating Boko Haram, however that is subject to the validity of Mr Muazu's statement. To what extent, when evaluated, are the allegations by Mr Muazu true? Well, I will assist you in answering that question. I submit this with full confidence that the statement by Mr Muazu is not true.

What Mr Muazu stated at the Nigerian Army Inter Brigade Competition is propaganda driven. The setting of where he delivered his speech is truly indicative of the nature of why he stated what he stated. It was a ceremony, and it is common cause that in ceremonies and what could be termed as 'joyful events', emphasis will only be attached to the good aspects of a cause. In this instance, much emphasis was placed on the successes of the Nigerian Armed Forces' fight against Boko Haram. The consequences of such emphasis, not only down plays the nature and reality of the war, but creates the impression that Boko Haram has been defeated. The intended effect sought to be achieved was to encourage, for purposes of morality, the armed forces and to keep the public away from the notion that they are still prone to Boko Haram attacks.

In addition to propaganda, the statement of Mr Muazu, in part and whole contradicts the idea he portrays. The idea portrayed being that Boko Haram has diminishing capabilities. In my understanding army officials ought to know that war is unpredictable, Mr Muazu makes it a certainty that Boko Haram "can no longer engage Nigerian" and in fuelling the confusion further he states that Boko Haram altered its tactics into hitting soft targets. Now, one asks, what was Mr Muazu referring to as "soft targets"? Is it the civilians or Soldiers? If it is the civilians, then the image he portrays that the powers of Boko Haram in terms of civilian attacks have decreased is false, reason being that Boko Haram is still consistent in their mission and that further implies that the Nigerian Armed Forces are failing in meeting the objective of protecting the public. If it is soldiers, then the image created that Boko Haram can no longer engage soldiers is false.

I would also like to put to the table, although it might seem irrelevant for now, the truthfulness of Nigerian Armed Forces officials. From the insurgency's inception, the Nigerian Army has been down playing the impact of Boko Haram and misleading the public in certain aspects of the war. Now, one asks whether is this also part of the tactics of the Nigerian armed forces to down play the impact of Boko Haram? There are many answers that come to play. However, this is strongly relevant and would be a significant contribution of my submission but I will not delve deep into it.

In conclusion, the statement of Mr Muaza is invalid as it is propaganda driven and embedded with contradictions. The notion that the Nigerian Armed Forces are winning the war against Boko Haram might be true and it can also be false, whatever the case may be Mr Muazu's statement(in my view) cannot be used as evidence to support the idea that the Nigerian Armed Forces are winning the war against Boko Haram.

Oh!! What a post. Sbura I congratulate you for digging out the truth and you hit the nail on the head.


Your post is so so so excellent and on point.

Denel is training Cameroonian Air force technicians to become better than their Nigerian counterpart.


http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2015/07/30/Cameroonian-technicians-begin-on-the-job-training-at-Denel

Nigerian Air Force Gulma class drones are all operational in the N.E.




According to him, this resolve gave birth to the first
indigenous Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) and the
training of the pilots for the UAVs who are currently
flying the Nigerian Air force vehicles in the ongoing
war against terror in the North East.

source: http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/07/badeh-cautions-military-against-over-reliance-on-foreign-nations/

ROOIVALK MK2 IS PRETTY GOOD


http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/industrials/2015/07/29/rooivalk-mark-2-to-whirr-into-life

Henry120:
Nigerian Air Force Gulma class drones are all operational in the N.E.




According to him, this resolve gave birth to the first
indigenous Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) and the
training of the pilots for the UAVs who are currently
flying the Nigerian Air force vehicles in the ongoing
war against terror in the North East.

source: http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/2015/07/badeh-cautions-military-against-over-reliance-on-foreign-nations/

Gulma was made from ISRAILI faulty drones which were sold to Nigeria. Nigerian Air force technicians only repaired them and introduce some few modifications and renamed them Gulma.

mzilakazi:



Gulma was made from ISRAILI faulty drones which were sold to Nigeria. Nigerian Air force technicians only repaired them and introduce some few modifications and renamed them Gulma.

CITATION NEEDED

you think Nigeria is a reverse engineering country like your soweto land of jungle monkeys and zom.bies

Fact.

.

mzilakazi:



Gulma was made from ISRAILI faulty drones which were sold to Nigeria. Nigerian Air force technicians only repaired them and introduce some few modifications and renamed them Gulma.

Citation Needed !
.

mzilakazi:



Boko Haram was defeated through the obvious and general use of South African mercenaries.

5,000 troops of newly forcmed Nigeria army COIN Brigade arrived from Russian army SF and Pakistani army SF training to start the final offensive....120 Nigerian troops trained by Eben Barlow are a drop in an ocean....95% of foreign credit goes to Russia/Pakistan.

Russian army should be the one claiming glory, not South Africa....and Eben Barlow is NOT in your army, he is a private company trainer.

SANDF has NOTHING to claim in Nigeria's victory, your army NEVER left South Africa !

Patchesagain:


1. [b]The war started in the Bush (Sambisa Forest) [/b]you couldent fight there so the war moved to the cities

2. The tide of the war was undoubtedly turned by Mercenaries

3. Your wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone were a complete fiasco and the opposition you fought against were barely militia, let alone actual insurgents or a trained force

Stop wasting my time, make a better argument

1. You know almost NOTHING about the Boko Haram war, it did NOT start in Sambisa forest, the war started in Maiduguri city under Mohammed Yussuf.....you are a complete ignoramus domingo

2. Tide of the war was turned by T-72 tanks and Mi-35 Hind E......plus 5,000 Nigerian army new COIN brigade that arrived for final offensive after COIN war tactics training in Russian army and Pakistani army....the Russians gave us the most relevant training their army's combat experience in Afghanistan against Islamic Mujahedeen terrorist forces, and that was an exact copy of Boko Haram.....120 Nigerian troops trained by Eben Barlow's PMC (NOT your SANDF army, Eben is a private company man) is just a tiny drop in an ocean.

Russian army should be the ones bragging about saving Nigeria with 5,000 troops they trained under their COIN special forces and sent to Nigeria for final offensive.....SA did next to nothing !

3. Liberian rebels were double the size of Boko Haram and Charles Taylor had military training and weapons from Libyan army through Ghadaffi, they were 10 times more powerful than Boko Haram, they defeated the National army of Liberia.....and Nigeria demolished them finally. SANDF has no such achievement with rebels in C.A.R Bangui, the war out-lived your elite troops and Gripen jets that sat down in Congo.

Sierra Leonean rebels defeated their country's national army, E.O mercenaries of Eben Barlow failed to defeat the rebels, so the Sierra Leonean president Captain Valentine Strassser sacked the South African mercenaries and replaced them with Nigeria army, and that is how Freetown became free, Nigeria won the war.

Nothing close to those achievements exist in South African army history.....SANDF has ZERO success achievement....Remember Seleka fiasco !
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lionel4power:
.mm.

Picture of mercenaries.

agaugust:


5,000 troops of newly forcmed Nigeria army COIN Brigade arrived from Russian army SF and Pakistani army SF training to start the final offensive....120 Nigerian troops trained by Eben Barlow are a drop in an ocean....95% of foreign credit goes to Russia/Pakistan.

Russian army should be the one claiming glory, not South Africa....and Eben Barlow is NOT in your army, he is a private company trainer.

SANDF has NOTHING to claim in Nigeria's victory, your army NEVER left South Africa !

All the 5000 of the so called Nigerian Army's newly formed COIN Brigade trained in Russia couldn't defeat Boko Haram until president Jonathan saw the need of recruiting the most hardened South African mercenaries at a cost that now crippled Nigeria of its finances to come and cleat the road in just only three months so that there could be peaceful national polls in Nigeria. Thanks to SA mercenaries who could do the work that could have taken 100 000 Nigerian troops over 10 years to complete.

Patchesagain:


The fvck? That is utter B.S!

Again with the unnecessary hate, again lacking substance.

EU members of NATO in general do not paint their tanks as they mostly use cammo netting

Americans dont do this

And Cammo netting > Paint

Henry, you need to work on this problem you have with NATO and the US

I don't have a problem with NATO and the US. On. The contrary, it is you who has a problem with Russian/eastern equipment.

Patchesagain:


1. Yeah no - THIS is a vertical take-off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj26RKNipQA

2. And that disproves that Pakistanis will be using the RD-93 how? They said they are happy with it, so why would they change it?

3. And 6 Russian jets crashed in a month, 2 within 3 hours, one of which was a brand new Su-35.

F-35 is still in development - they said that the WVR coding was not complete and that it would be quickly remedied. Not to mention that the F16 and F35 were developed with different doctrines and roles in mind.


And in every engagement between Western Jets and Eastern Jets - western Jets have annihilated their eastern counterparts

4. No, its opinion.

5. Again, Russian and Chinese designs are known as being maintenance intensive and expensive to operate. The "simpler" Mig-29 costs $ 5500 per hour and the Sukhois 27/30 costs $ 7000 - yet the more complex Gripen NG costs only $3000

1. So why did you post that F-22 video, and you captioned it as an F-22 doing a vertical takeoff?


2. You should probably visit an eye clinic now, before you condition gets worse. I said the Pakistanis now have the Option of using the WS-13(17).

3. 2 Gripens Jets of the same class and same Airforce crashed with a period of 17 days. A brand new F-16, that hasn't even been delivered to it's owners crashed in the desert, killing it's Pilot.

The F-35 got it's a$s handed to it by a cold war relic. This is just pathetic.

The SU-30MKI took on Front-line U.S Dogfighters and scored over 90% of all kills. ....... Now, this is sad!


You are a mumu, I'm not referring to the Mig-29 or SU-30. Make a coherent argument.

mzilakazi:



It is good to dream big but the question is what are you doing as at today to realize that dream. You are currently not seen as a leader of defence technology on the continent. I see that dream only as being further slip out of your reach.

it isnt a dream,its reality.

EVarn:
it isnt a dream,its reality.

Reality where? Nigeria is not building any fighter jet, neither does it have an industry. I say again, it is good to dream.