Henry240:


"Need i remind you that Gucci gear doesn't mean effective or best trained?".


Nigerian Navy Special boat service was formed in 2006, we cannot simply compare the sort of training and experience Navy SBS go through to qualify with our "kindargaten" Army special units which were only recently formed.


Every Navy commando goes through a rigorous training regiment before they can qualify as operators, they must be combat sea divers, Airborne qualified, Mountaineering qualified, VBSS qualified, HVT qualified, CTCOIN etc etc.




Training regiment includes


*Counter Insurgency/Riverine Operations in the maritime
domain
*Hostage Taking
*Piracy
*Oil and Gas platforms seizure
Pursuant to the elimination of these threats, the specific
funtions undertaken by the SBS include
– Direct action ( small scale strike)
– Beach Reconnaissance and Intelligence Gathering ahead
of amphibious operations
– Counter terrorism/Hostage Rescue
-Counter Piracy
TRAINING
Basic Operational Capability (BOC) Course
Curriculum
It is the first basic course which moulds Nigerian Navy
sailors into special warfare operators. The
Basic Operational Capability Course lasts six months. The
BOC Course has 3 phases
– Physical Conditioning phase
– Maritime Warfare Phase
– Land Warfare phase
Physical conditioning – This is the toughest phase of the ab
initio training which is held at beginning of the course. It
entails extreme physical training aimed at weeding out the
weak.
Maritime Warfare phase
This essentially involves small boats operations and tactics
and centres on handling flat-bottomed and assault boats
– Visit Board Search and Sieze Operations (counter piracy
and taking over ships at sea)
– counter insurgency and contact drills for riverine warfare
– navigation and survival swimming
– insertion and extraction for operations by boat
– combat diving
Land Warfare phase
– Map reading
– Close Quarter Battle (CQB)
– Hostage Rescue and Fighting in Built Up Areas ( FIBUA)
– Reconnaissance, Ambush and raids
– Explosives and Demolition
– Weapon Handling and Range Qualification.
Training Partnerships for Qualified SBS personnel include
* Joint Training with US Navy SEALs
* Training with Isreali Special Operations Training Groups
* Training with the State Security Services (SSS) of Nigeria
* Training with the Pakistan Navy Special Services Group
(SSG)

Virtually the NA SF who trained in Russia and belarus did undergo all the training you've listed the only ones am not sure of are ; .....Visit Board Search and Sieze Operations (counter piracy
and taking over ships at sea) , maritime warfare phase...etc and these is because they are not Navy SF sprlecs.

Below are training the NA SF av undergone in north-east of europe;

Training Overview:

Firearms techniques, including one day at Spetsnaz training Polygon for firearms training, including Russian pistols, rifles, and machine guns.
Drive light tanks and armored personnel carriers.
Learn psychology of terrorists and assailants.
Training and execution of hostage and wounded personnel rescue.
Rappelling.
Elite Firestorm and Anti-Terror Obstacle courses and training with explosives.
Knife and shovel fighting.
Weapons disarming.
Work with weapons and mass attack scenarios
Practice camouflage and concealment techniques of the Russian Special Forces
Training in patrol, ambush and counter ambush techniques
Learn wilderness and night survival skills
Conditioning exercizes and strength training
Training may last up to 10 hours per day
Program includes a minimum of 2 hours per day of hand to hand combat training in the Russian Martial Arts plus strength and conditioning training unlike anything seen in the west.

Henry240:


Of-course, we talking experience and training regiment of Nigeria's premier units.

In terms of age, training and experience, Navy SBS are Nigeria's best.

So our Army units are Belarus trained, not Russia?

Nop some are belarus trained and some russia

Henry240:



You can't compare them with a unit that has 9 years worth of experience. Reconnaissance, Ambush and raids are everyday operations carried out by Navy SBS.

9years of act training and stimulation or less than 4yrs of being battle field tested/experience ..............?

NA SF & NN SBS SF

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dakingsman:


yes they are trained in belarus, and pakistan. few soldiers trained in russia as logistic supplier, very few, less than 10

Nop that's totally 100% not true

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dakingsman:


prove me wrong, it has been on the news for about a year now that our sfs are training in russia, my problem is, who are those training them in russia, the RGS ? naah.. few of our Armoured Corps were in russia to train on how to use the t-90, but was canceled. and they weere trained in Ukraine instead. i would be happy @bidexxx if u can provide one proof of any russian trained nigerian SF. saying wat i said is entirely not true is rude and disrespectful !

What is our relationship with Russia, the military relationship with Russia seems so slim when compared to Nigeria-Ukraine / Nigeria-Belarus.

bidexiii:


9years of act training and stimulation or less than 4yrs of being battle field tested/experience ..............?

You came by the figure of "less than 4 years of been battle tested" how?

Clarify.

dakingsman:


yes they are trained in belarus, and pakistan. few soldiers trained in russia as logistic supplier, very few, less than 10

Training in Pakistan is routine. It is the training in Belarus that is new.

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bidexiii:


Virtually the NA SF who trained in Russia and belarus did undergo all the training you've listed the only ones am not sure of are ; .....Visit Board Search and Sieze Operations (counter piracy
and taking over ships at sea) , maritime warfare phase...etc and these is because they are not Navy SF sprlecs.

Below are training the NA SF av undergone in north-east of europe;

Training Overview:

Firearms techniques, including one day at Spetsnaz training Polygon for firearms training, including Russian pistols, rifles, and machine guns.
Drive light tanks and armored personnel carriers.
Learn psychology of terrorists and assailants.
Training and execution of hostage and wounded personnel rescue.
Rappelling.
Elite Firestorm and Anti-Terror Obstacle courses and training with explosives.
Knife and shovel fighting.
Weapons disarming.
Work with weapons and mass attack scenarios
Practice camouflage and concealment techniques of the Russian Special Forces
Training in patrol, ambush and counter ambush techniques
Learn wilderness and night survival skills
Conditioning exercizes and strength training
Training may last up to 10 hours per day
Program includes a minimum of 2 hours per day of hand to hand combat training in the Russian Martial Arts plus strength and conditioning training unlike anything seen in the west.

You are missing my point.





I did not say Army S.F did not go through the afore-listed training routine in eastern Europe. What i'm saying is, you cannot compare the training of a unit done consecutively for 9 years, with that of a unit that has trained for only a couple of months. It is just not possible.

dakingsman:


yeah had to mention pakistan cuz thats where our SSG were trained

So what happened to the over 1200 security personnel(armed forces soldiers,SSG & police personnel) that where trained in russia.......?

dakingsman:


prove me wrong, it has been on the news for about a year now that our sfs are training in russia, my problem is, who are those training them in russia, the RGS ? naah.. few of our Armoured Corps were in russia to train on how to use the t-90, but was canceled. and they weere trained in Ukraine instead. i would be happy @bidexxx if u can provide one proof of any russian trained nigerian SF. saying wat i said is entirely not true is rude and disrespectful !

Nop mate there is nothing disrespectful and rude we are just making our points and clarifications.......... but what happened to the 1st batch of 1200 security personnel trained in russia was that a fake news...?
And the NA SF who where to be trained in Ukraine was cancelled due the Civil that broke out!

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dakingsman:


yeah had to mention pakistan cuz thats where our SSG were trained

Have you been able to identify that Vessel...... The one the Navy is currently building?

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bidexiii:


Nop mate there is nothing disrespectful and rude we are just making our points and clarifications.......... but what happened to the 1st batch of 1200 security personnel trained in russia was that a fake news...?
And the NA SF who where to be trained in Ukraine was cancelled due the Civil that broke out!

At-least 50 members of Nigerian army armoured corps were training in khakiv, Ukraine, during the height of the Ukrainian civil war.

Henry240:


You came by the figure of "less than 4 years of been battle tested" how?

Clarify.

Am talking about when the NN SBS commando got actively involved in CTCION, BH crisis started 2009 and it died down for a while before it got escalated.......2011-12.
My point his when did the NN s involved in any op's or CTCION..? Agreed it was formed 2006.

Henry240:


At-least 50 members of Nigerian army armoured corps were training in khakiv, Ukraine, during the height of the Ukrainian civil war.

Totally wrong all members of the armored corps.where trained here in Nigeria not in Ukraine......!!!!!!!
And basically the training was foe the t72 and bmp1.. there where around in jaaji,jos and Maiduguri.

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bidexiii:


Am talking about when the NN SBS commando got actively involved in CTCION, BH crisis started 2009 and it died down for a while before it got escalated.......2011-12.
My point his when did the NN s involved in any op's or CTCION..? Agreed it was formed 2006.

They had been involved in CoIN duties in the Niger-Delta. So Navy SBS has been involved in active continuous COIN operations since 2006.

bidexiii:


Totally wrong all members of the armored corps.where trained here in Nigeria not in Ukraine......!!!!!!!
And basically the training was foe the t72 and bmp1.. there where around in jaaji,jos and Maiduguri.

who trained them ?

Henry240:


You are missing my point.





I did not say Army S.F did not go through the afore-listed training routine in eastern Europe. What i'm saying is, you cannot compare the training of a unit done consecutively for 9 years, with that of a unit that has trained for only a couple of months. It is just not possible.

Yeap I love the SBS guys because constantly they are always involve in military training, exercise etc.....flintflock, obageme......etc and it as being so for 9yrs above agreed.......but how involved they in the north east theatre..!
And never forget that for all operation the SBS COMMANDOS where involved NA SF has always being spare headed, or let me say it has always being a joint spec op's.

dakingsman:


who trained them ?

Ukraine armored brigade and not in Ukraine.

bidexiii:


Totally wrong all members of the armored corps.where trained here in Nigeria not in Ukraine......!!!!!!!
And basically the training was foe the t72 and bmp1.. there where around in jaaji,jos and Maiduguri.

Members of Nigerian armoured corp in Ukraine.

Henry240:


They had been involved in CoIN duties in the Niger-Delta. So Navy SBS has been involved in active continuous COIN operations since 2006.

But in the niger-delta where they any active theatre there........?

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....?

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dakingsman:


NA SF were meant to undergo trainin in Ukraine, that doesnt make sense either bruv, thought u knw anything abt the Nigerian armed forces ...

Mate am asking you the sake question......... so what would you say of these ;http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/terrorism-1200-nigerian-security-personnel-leave-russia/

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bidexiii:


Yeap I love the SBS guys because constantly they are always involve in military training, exercise etc.....flintflock, obageme......etc and it as being so for 9yrs above agreed.......but how involved they in the north east theatre..!
And never forget that for all operation the SBS COMMANDOS where involved NA SF has always being spare headed, or let me say it has always being a joint spec op's.

It isn't a question of love, but what the facts are.

...... And according to the facts, the Nigerian Navy commando is the most elite soldier in Nigeria and anywhere in the west, central and east-africa region.


No..... Most Navy operations in the North-East aren't usually joint Ops. The Navy routinely carries out operations on itks own.