sonOfLucifer:

Do u drink blood?

Nubian113:


Do u drink blood?

only when my girl's on her period..

sonOfLucifer:

only when my girl's on her period..

you lie stop pulling my leg I wanna understand you

Nubian113:


you lie stop pulling my leg I wanna understand you

Go through my profile. ²

sonOfLucifer:

Go through my profile. ²

Profile is boring

Nubian113:


Profile is boring

sonOfLucifer:

Why you up all night? Blood rituals

Nubian113:


Why you up all night? Blood rituals

. I don't do blood rituals. Too godly.

sonOfLucifer:

. I don't do blood rituals. Too godly.

Too godly, you or blood rituals... Stop taking forever to reply with 5words


I liked your story... How long it take you to copy it

Nubian113:

I liked your story... How long it take you to copy it

5 words.

Bs

JackBizzle:





Engineer? Bwahaha.

Law is a profession. A legal section on any Nigerian forum will cause serious problems given that
1) 90% of people do not understand the law

If this is true, there's no better case than for having a legal section than your first point. Nigeria has no strengthened legal system. Police and the military operate with impunity violating fundamental Human Rights and the population accepts it as normal. They pay bail money without knowing their rights and you say there is no need for a legal section? We can have a sexuality section but a legal section is not necessary?

Property owners take advantage of people who don't know their rights and we don't need a legal section?

2) The lawyers themselves can never guarantee a 100% chance of winning most cases

I'm not sure how this makes sense or what point it's supposed to illustrate. At best it shows your limited understanding of the operation of the law. Cases are won by proving with evidence and backing up your position with the law. There is never a "draw" in a case. If two lawyers feel they have proof, they go to court to establish it and the judge listens to both and gives a decision one way or the other. If all lawyers agreed there would be no need for court appearances. Besides there are little instances of procedure and technicalities that are not known by the layman.

We have a pet section and a sexuality section but somehow we don't need a legal section?

3) The lawyers themselves only understand the law to a certain degree

Doctors, mechanics, Engineers, etc only understand their professions to a certain degree. What is clear however is that they understand it better than the layman. No point here.
We have a dating and meet up section, a pet section, a sexuality section but there's no need for a legal section?

4) Two lawyers trying to secure a client can give contradictory assurances on a case

In medicine, there's something called a second opinion. Contradictory assurances are not unheard of. Try giving your car to two mechanics and watch them contradict themselves. Law is application, and that's what the court is for: to settle issues of the law. If all lawyers agreed with each other there would be no need to go to court. You might as well settle issues in the beer parlour or family meeting. No need for judges either.

We have the whole nairaland and no legal section?

I'm not sure what you think but the legal section isn't for soliciting for clients. It's for people to come ask questions about legal issues pertaining to them and to get them solved. For instance, how many times have we seen on front page "look what I found in an unopened bottle of coke/malt/beer" etc. Go to the property section and look at people who don't know what to do to prevent being scammed by land vendors. Look at the auto section and see people being scammed by Cotonou car agents. The list goes on.

Also lawyers could hang out in the legal section and discuss their cases , seek and share advice. In the end, nairalanders would benefit.

When you come here all small minded talking about legalese, I wonder what you're on about. DeepSight, Enigma, Kay17 are all lawyers on this section. They have different styles of expressing themselves but I cannot remember anytime any sort of legalese came up in discussions. Caveats are important when arguing against people who are great at building strawmen. Caveats don't count as legalese.

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LucemFerre:


Yea, right... You dreamt of batman and you think you are a satanist... Cute...

lmao

jayriginal:

If this is true, there's no better case than for having a legal section than your first point. Nigeria has no strengthened legal system. Police and the military operate with impunity violating fundamental Human Rights and the population accepts it as normal. They pay bail money without knowing their rights and you say there is no need for a legal section? We can have a sexuality section but a legal section is not necessary?

Property owners take advantage of people who don't know their rights and we don't need a legal section?


I'm not sure how this makes sense or what point it's supposed to illustrate. At best it shows your limited understanding of the operation of the law. Cases are won by proving with evidence and backing up your position with the law. There is never a "draw" in a case. If two lawyers feel they have proof, they go to court to establish it and the judge listens to both and gives a decision one way or the other. If all lawyers agreed there would be no need for court appearances. Besides there are little instances of procedure and technicalities that are not known by the layman.

We have a pet section and a sexuality section but somehow we don't need a legal section?


Doctors, mechanics, Engineers, etc only understand their professions to a certain degree. What is clear however is that they understand it better than the layman. No point here.
We have a dating and meet up section, a pet section, a sexuality section but there's no need for a legal section?


In medicine, there's something called a second opinion. Contradictory assurances are not unheard of. Try giving your car to two mechanics and watch them contradict themselves. Law is application, and that's what the court is for: to settle issues of the law. If all lawyers agreed with each other there would be no need to go to court. You might as well settle issues in the beer parlour or family meeting. No need for judges either.

We have the whole nairaland and no legal section?

I'm not sure what you think but the legal section isn't for soliciting for clients. It's for people to come ask questions about legal issues pertaining to them and to get them solved. For instance, how many times have we seen on front page "look what I found in an unopened bottle of coke/malt/beer" etc. Go to the property section and look at people who don't know what to do to prevent being scammed by land vendors. Look at the auto section and see people being scammed by Cotonou car agents. The list goes on.

Also lawyers could hang out in the legal section and discuss their cases , seek and share advice. In the end, nairalanders would benefit.

When you come here all small minded talking about legalese, I wonder what you're on about. DeepSight, Enigma, Kay17 are all lawyers on this section. They have different styles of expressing themselves but I cannot remember anytime any sort of legalese came up in discussions. Caveats are important when arguing against people who are great at building strawmen. Caveats don't count as legalese.

Sir,

Thank you for pointing out the incompleteness of my arguments.

I was in a haste and just pointed out simple facts showing how confusing law can be.



Fleshing out my original 4 points and rebutting your arguments;

1) It is a fact that most people do not understand the law. The issue here is that law is a profession and therefore legal advice should come from a professionally qualified lawyer. Given the corrupt and 419 nature of scammers on nairaland, any fool can claim to be a lawyer and mislead any of those 90% of people that do not know the law. Are you going to beg Seun to verify everyone that gives legal advice? How do you ascertain who is a qualified lawyer on an anonymous forum


2) It is a fact that no lawyer can guarantee 100% chance of winning in most cases. What you need to understand is that technicalities and loopholes are many in law- too many for not only laymen but lawyers as well. That is why you see lawyers doing weeks of research before a big case. Lawyers in the UK do not do "internet consultation". You have to go to their offices and discuss the details of your case. Explaining your case well to your lawyer is important to winning in court.


3) Yes, lawyers only know the law up to a certain degree. A lesser degree than doctors know medicine. The law can change on a daily basis. Every judge's decision is a potential precedent for another case. States, counties and countries pass laws at different times. Medicine, accounting etc other professions are not as volatile.


4) Second opinions in medicine mostly end up getting similar conclusions because doctors universally understand the human body in the same way. The same in Accounting- there are international standards that all chartered accountants know. Law is another thing entirely- A case can be won or dismissed on numerous grounds. It takes only one technicality to get away with certain crimes. It is better to go to the office of your lawyer and explain your case.


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There are so many disadvantages to having a legal section on nairaland

1) Legal advice should be only given by qualified lawyers. How do we verify qualified lawyers?

2) Law in Nigeria is in shambles. We dont even keep records of many decisions by judges. Since you are a lawyer in Nigeria, please tell me how many court records or transcripts do you have from the state high courts knowing that a judge's decision in a court can set precedence for future court cases.

3) Trolling. Family cases, property cases etc should normally be kept private. Imagine someone seriously trying to get his house in order through the court and some fool comes to start laughing because a man has lost some of his assets.



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If you want to talk about human rights. Lets have a human rights section. A legal section is dangerous.

JackBizzle:




Sir,

Thank you for pointing out the incompleteness of my arguments.

I was in a haste and just pointed out simple facts showing how confusing law can be.



Fleshing out my original 4 points and rebutting your arguments;

1) It is a fact that most people do not understand the law. The issue here is that law is a profession and therefore legal advice should come from a professionally qualified lawyer. Given the corrupt and 419 nature of scammers on nairaland, any fool can claim to be a lawyer and mislead any of those 90% of people that do not know the law. Are you going to beg Seun to verify everyone that gives legal advice? How do you ascertain who is a qualified lawyer on an anonymous forum


2) It is a fact that no lawyer can guarantee 100% chance of winning in most cases. What you need to understand is that technicalities and loopholes are many in law- too many for not only laymen but lawyers as well. That is why you see lawyers doing weeks of research before a big case. Lawyers in the UK do not do "internet consultation". You have to go to their offices and discuss the details of your case. Explaining your case well to your lawyer is important to winning in court.


3) Yes, lawyers only know the law up to a certain degree. A lesser degree than doctors know medicine. The law can change on a daily basis. Every judge's decision is a potential precedent for another case. States, counties and countries pass laws at different times. Medicine, accounting etc other professions are not as volatile.


4) Second opinions in medicine mostly end up getting similar conclusions because doctors universally understand the human body in the same way. The same in Accounting- there are international standards that all chartered accountants know. Law is another thing entirely- A case can be won or dismissed on numerous grounds. It takes only one technicality to get away with certain crimes. It is better to go to the office of your lawyer and explain your case.


=========================================================



There are so many disadvantages to having a legal section on nairaland

1) Legal advice should be only given by qualified lawyers. How do we verify qualified lawyers?

2) Law in Nigeria is in shambles. We dont even keep records of many decisions by judges. Since you are a lawyer in Nigeria, please tell me how many court records or transcripts do you have from the state high courts knowing that a judge's decision in a court can set precedence for future court cases.

3) Trolling. Family cases, property cases etc should normally be kept private. Imagine someone seriously trying to get his house in order through the court and some fool comes to start laughing because a man has lost some of his assets.



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If you want to talk about human rights. Lets have a human rights section. A legal section is dangerous.

Although the arguments JackBizzle brings up doesnt represent a good understanding of the nature of law, I must agree with him that a legal section might turn out in some ways dangerous (especially when its used for obtaining legal advice). Unless you appoint a serious moderator (lawyer with a good reputation) who keeps an eye on the quality of the contributions.

The fact that a section for discussing laws/regulations on its own merits (among which human rights) is lacking at the moment tells us everything about the current role and place of the rule of law in the country. Everything is here about sex, business, politics or religion...which all boils down on one thing: power. Laws are meant to distribute power. So you understand why they are easily subject of manipulation.

The lawyer has spoken

Tufanja:


Although the arguments JackBizzle brings up doesnt represent a good understanding of the nature of law, I must agree with him that a legal section might turn out in some ways dangerous (especially when its used for obtaining legal advice). Unless you appoint a serious moderator (lawyer with a good reputation) who keeps an eye on the quality of the contributions.

The fact that a section for discussing laws/regulations on its own merits (among which human rights) is lacking at the moment tells us everything about the current role and place of the rule of law in the country. Everything is here about sex, business, politics or religion...which all boils down on one thing: power. Laws are meant to distribute power. So you understand why they are easily subject of manipulation.

The lawyer has spoken

Did I impress you, bae?

JackBizzle:







Did I impress you, bae?

Re-read the first sentence

#wishful thinking

Tufanja:


Re-read the first sentence

#wishful thinking

You were just trolling. You know I'm right

JackBizzle:



You were just trolling. You know I'm right

Yes indeed. That is my hobby. Trolling trols.

#sacrificing a pawn
#get ready 4 d checkmate King JackBizzle

Tufanja:


Yes indeed. That is my hobby. Trolling trols.

#sacrificing a pawn
#get ready 4 d checkmate King JackBizzle

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JackBizzle:


[img]http://cdn.meme.am/instances/57713410.jpg[/img]

It's showing the sign of a corrupt file...

#what does that tell me about the one who posted it

JackBizzle:




Sir,

Thank you for pointing out the incompleteness of my arguments.

I was in a haste and just pointed out simple facts showing how confusing law can be.



Fleshing out my original 4 points and rebutting your arguments;

1) It is a fact that most people do not understand the law. The issue here is that law is a profession and therefore legal advice should come from a professionally qualified lawyer. Given the corrupt and 419 nature of scammers on nairaland, any fool can claim to be a lawyer and mislead any of those 90% of people that do not know the law. Are you going to beg Seun to verify everyone that gives legal advice? How do you ascertain who is a qualified lawyer on an anonymous forum


2) It is a fact that no lawyer can guarantee 100% chance of winning in most cases. What you need to understand is that technicalities and loopholes are many in law- too many for not only laymen but lawyers as well. That is why you see lawyers doing weeks of research before a big case. Lawyers in the UK do not do "internet consultation". You have to go to their offices and discuss the details of your case. Explaining your case well to your lawyer is important to winning in court.


3) Yes, lawyers only know the law up to a certain degree. A lesser degree than doctors know medicine. The law can change on a daily basis. Every judge's decision is a potential precedent for another case. States, counties and countries pass laws at different times. Medicine, accounting etc other professions are not as volatile.


4) Second opinions in medicine mostly end up getting similar conclusions because doctors universally understand the human body in the same way. The same in Accounting- there are international standards that all chartered accountants know. Law is another thing entirely- A case can be won or dismissed on numerous grounds. It takes only one technicality to get away with certain crimes. It is better to go to the office of your lawyer and explain your case.


=========================================================



There are so many disadvantages to having a legal section on nairaland

1) Legal advice should be only given by qualified lawyers. How do we verify qualified lawyers?

2) Law in Nigeria is in shambles. We dont even keep records of many decisions by judges. Since you are a lawyer in Nigeria, please tell me how many court records or transcripts do you have from the state high courts knowing that a judge's decision in a court can set precedence for future court cases.

3) Trolling. Family cases, property cases etc should normally be kept private. Imagine someone seriously trying to get his house in order through the court and some fool comes to start laughing because a man has lost some of his assets.



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If you want to talk about human rights. Lets have a human rights section. A legal section is dangerous.

Your fleshed out argument is even worse than the other one.
You're asking of records, ever heard of law reports? Record of proceedings? Look I have neither the time nor the inclination to hold your hands through this discussion.

I see no reason to think that a legal section would be dangerous. The fact that someone seeks advice does not prevent a person from visiting a law office.

I doubt I would reply further but I'd like you to bear in mind that there is a health section here where people seek advice on their health issues and some people also market solutions. To the best of my knowledge, Seun has not verified any doctor on this forum, yet people have been seeking and giving advice. It's an informal forum, there's going to be good and bad advice. There will be trolls too. Does that mean that it has no use?

How do you enforce Human Rights if not by law?

And by discussing cases, I didn't mean discussing details of ongoing cases. I meant for instance sourcing authorities that might apply to a case.

SonofLucifer

Time 03:30 interesting time to call you cause these are the blessed hours

Nubian113:
SonofLucifer

Time 03:30 interesting time to call you cause these are the blessed hours

Lmfao. What's up?

jayriginal:


Your fleshed out argument is even worse than the other one.
You're asking of records, ever heard of law reports? Record of proceedings? Look I have neither the time nor the inclination to hold your hands through this discussion.
.....

Oga Done.

Is a frontpage necessary? So far, everyone is in favor of one.

jayriginal:


Your fleshed out argument is even worse than the other one.


You're asking of records, ever heard of law reports? Record of proceedings? Look I have neither the time nor the inclination to hold your hands through this discussion.

Interesting. I know for a fact that record keeping of court proceedings in Nigeria is lackadaisical. I wonder why you would try to lie and save face on this issue.

I asked you about getting court records from state high court cases.

Guy, come off it. This is embarassing

sonOfLucifer:


Oga Done.

Is a frontpage necessary? So far, everyone is in favor of one.

Interesting part of his comment you quoted.

I see that you havent changed. Sir Troll

jayriginal:


I doubt I would reply further but I'd like you to bear in mind that there is a health section here where people seek advice on their health issues and some people also market solutions. To the best of my knowledge, Seun has not verified any doctor on this forum, yet people have been seeking and giving advice. It's an informal forum, there's going to be good and bad advice. There will be trolls too. Does that mean that it has no use?

Health section and not a medical section. Two different things entirely.

Well, at the end of the day, sonoflucifer can add a legal section to his forum, and we will see how that ends

JackBizzle:




Interesting part of his comment you quoted.

I see that you havent changed. Sir Troll

And you haven't too. We've aged gracefully.

sonOfLucifer:

And you haven't too. We've aged gracefully.

I have changed. The basics remain the same but my civility has increased.

JackBizzle:


I have changed. The basics remain the same but my civility has increased.

Okay.