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Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 12:53pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
ashjay001:You see, why do you think if i read your post again i will understand just the same way you understand. Is it because we have a common way of thinking which is logical? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by ashjay001(m): 1:15pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Speechless3: Ur mind games no be here! Its been long since someone twisted me around this much without me predicting d outcome! I don't even know if my headache is by u or d heat/sun? Short of telephaty, this one na stalemate, or I concede. I might not be able to extricate myself from ur twists! |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 1:18pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
ashjay001:Thats the twist you find yourself in when you believe logic exists and does not exist at the same time |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 1:21pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
My good friend HardMirror wont grace my thread again I've lost onetrack, CoolUsername and frank317 all within 20hours Look what being logical has cost me I just saw one Mzjanet trolling somewhere. Has she seen this thread too? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 1:24pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Teempakguy: Well said so far. Teempakguy: Not just patterns but incredibly complex CODED systems which all life is by virtue of their genes. Teempakguy: The theory of evolution is dead on arrival. No transitional species in fossils or at the moment, just fossils of COMPLETE extant or extinct species coopted as transitional. The mechanisms are so poor I wonder whether its bias or plain silliness that prevents from seeing that accidental copying errors don't make anything, they only degrade or destroy. Now as for the Big Bang, there is still the possibility that God used it as a means to create our world. Teempakguy: I have made my arguments above. Especially on the dead theory that's a favorite of your folk. Teempakguy: Philosophers over time and in a myriad of ways have decried and argued against the materialism of atheists. Not only is it true that the consciousness through which we view the world immaterial and spiritual. It is also true that material expalanations in and of themselves ignore the IMMATERIAL logic they rest upon. Seeing the stupidity in using purely material explanations to explain a reality that is not strictly material is the first and most fundamental step to seeing the fraud that atheism is. Teempakguy: You can't put God in a box with experiments. 1 Like |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 1:33pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
"Atheism is fraud"-Uyilredia Good points! 2 Likes |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by VcStunner(m): 1:46pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Speechless3:we have a pattern and people have followed it and arrived to results. Find a pattern today and you will never seek miracle. But then again, think of why you believe in God following your assertion, I will be right to say you became a Christian because you were introduced to it? Assume there was no religion, all we will look for is pattern on how to get "everything" done on our own. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by ashjay001(m): 1:46pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Speechless3: That all atheists could just resort to twisting u all up, instead of ridicule or derision. So, which do u I should choose? Belief or Unbelief? Logic or Illogical? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by JackBizzle: 2:12pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Speechless3, You are very lucky that I did not catch onto this thread early on. I can see that you are enjoying yourself and trolling the atheists here. Let me put a stop to that- Addressing the laws of logic; 1) Logic is a human construct. It exists (albeit as an abstract) because we as intelligent beings use it to explain and understand our environment around us. You cannot touch logic- it exists abstractly just like love or emotions do. They have no tangible existence. 2) Logic is not absolutely perfect or objective- there are logical paradoxes and conundrums that defy human logic. However, aside these paradoxes, logic is objective and also, it works better if there is some experience tied to it. 3) Outside a human brain or outside our universe, logic might actually be different. For example, To an ant, a sheet of paper is a cuboid while a human will see it as flat rectangle. We use paper for 2 dimensional constructs but it would be 3 dimensional if we were as small as ants. ========================== addressing the manufactured car vs the created universe 1) Apples and oranges- A car is not a natural object compared to the earth or a universe. An analogy using a car and the universe to explain creation will always fail. 2) A car is man-made. We already know its origin- it has been made by humans at a manufacturing plant and there is evidence. The universe is unknown. The car is not an organic matter that can evolve or grow on its own. 3) No one knows the origin of the universe. Even the big bang as a theory has many unexplained areas. No one knows. Claiming it is God is a just a lazy lie 1 Like |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 3:52pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
JackBizzle post=: Ok. So far, so good. JackBizzle post=: True. JackBizzle post=: Logic hasn't changed only the perspective of the creatures involved. JackBizzle post=: It won't. We are making a comparison using complexity as a margin. The universe and its life are very complex. JackBizzle post=: I have shown the similarity used in the analogy anything else you add as a requirement is empty mind games which no one should tag along with. JackBizzle post=: And why is God a lie? No reason. But there is logic to your simple denial of God as the first cause. Materialism and its st*pidity. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by JackBizzle: 3:57pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
UyiIredia: I read, re-read and triple re-read your post and it still didnt make sense. I'm weeping because your brain is dead. My condolences 1 Like |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 4:01pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Usual insults when you've been a $$wiped. 1 Like |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 4:01pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Usual insults when you've been a $$wiped. 1 Like |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 4:06pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Speechless3: Thanks. It's a pity these atheists don't use the reason they lay claim too. That's why I call it a fraud. They hold a self-defeating materialist position when there's much more to our world than meets the eye. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 5:21pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
UyiIredia:That gets me wondering too. I mean it is only common sense to know that immaterial things cannot fit into their created tiny box of knowing truth. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 5:33pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Common sense however seems uncommon Speechless3: |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Weah96: 6:52pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Do you believe in the Bible? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Niflheim(m): 7:58pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
@Speechless3, These are your logical fallacies. 1.False analogy – an argument by analogy in which the analogy is poorly suited. 2.Argument from ignorance (appeal to ignorance, argumentum ad ignorantiam) – assuming that a claim is true because it has not been or cannot be proven false, or vice-versa. 3.Argument from (personal) incredulity (divine fallacy, appeal to common sense) – I cannot imagine how this could be true, therefore it must be false 4.False attribution – an advocate appeals to an irrelevant, unqualified, unidentified, biased or fabricated source in support of an argument. Concerning point number 1, the world does not need a creator to create it. Where are elements created? Did you not learn this in Primary school? How does land form? So you have not seen crystals growing in salt solutions? If a crystal laden meteorite should fall in a salt solution, was it Cristiano Ronaldo that was taking penalties from Planet Jupiter? Concerning point number 2, you speak about a god as if such a thing exists, it is a baseless assertion, no one has ever proven a god exists in the first place. So why speak of something you have never seen before, and then discuss how it is impossible for creating something that 6 year olds can do in American primary schools(creating land from water). Concerning point number 3,you are claiming that since "you" personally, do not see how something came about on it's own, therefore it could not have come about on it's own!!! This is laughable!!! So if Kris Angel performs an illusion in your presence and you do not understand how he did it, therefore "octopus demon"?!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! While you were busy worshiping a dead jew in "tight wet Calvin Klein boxers", hanging on a mango tree, others were busy studying the nature of reality!!! And last but not least, point 4,your bible is not a physics text book!!! It is not the Chief concensus on Cosmology, it talks about claims that have not been proven(talking snakes, talking donkeys, and men watching DSTV inside the stomach of a man eating fish whose stomach acid could not even digest the man that it swallowed)!!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 8:50pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
It doesn't just add up. Why do the descendants of that donkey adopt brayism as common donke lingo? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 8:55pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
Ehn I'm pretty certain Jesus died driving in a lamborghini Centenario at near top speed wearing nothing but a pair of ck briefs. He was actually killed by the doppler effect. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by CoolUsername: 8:56pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
This thread is just someone trying (and failing) to make a valid argument and going "la la la, I cant hear you" when someone doesn't support her shallow-minded beliefs. How does questioning whether logic exists prove that your imaginary friend exists? Then one other guy is here, lying that transitional fossils do not exist when there are several to date. He's lying that we don't see animals of the same species with different traits (maybe he doesn't know what a dog is). So let me ask this, where is the evidence for biblical claims? Why isn't there evidence of the flood? Studies show that all the water in the earth's atmosphere would raise sea levels by about an inch, how do you circumvent that? If you can't then don't come here to talk about logic, because you obviously aren't using it. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Kay17: 10:14pm On Mar 02, 2016 |
bxcode: Have you seen any other work or example of God's handiwork that can be compared with the Universe? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 11:46am On Mar 03, 2016 |
UyiIredia:What do you mean by there are no transitional fossils? you sound like you don't even understand the theory of evolution. the first postulate of the theory is that ALL species are transitional. even you that is talking is a specimen of a transitional speicie. your great great grand children will look nothing like you. and their great grand children might even be another species. Second, you do not have the moral or Logical Authority to claim that Atheism is a fraud. the fact remains that we are all in the dark. you do not know for sure who or what created and designed the world. all you have is a guess and "Must Be"s. So, stop being Illogical here. Thirdly, You give intelligence too much credit. So life is complex. so what? do you need intelligence for anything? Intelligence is just a luxury for design. with the right constraints, anything will happen. One of the most beautiful phenomenon in the world, the weather, is guided by pure Chaos. Quantum mechanics is basically the home of total chaos. a non-deterministic system. yet on the macro scale, it transforms into incredible order. without the intervention of any sort of intelligence. fourth, You saying I can't put God in a box and experiment on him sounds like a cop out. how would you feel if I told you that you can't put evolution and the big bang in a box and experiment on them? you are literally telling me to accept bullshit without verification. how stupid do you think I am? No thanks, But I will keep subjecting Your God and any other God out there. because the requirement for their existence is that they have objective reality.. not being in the minds of people who can't man up to face the world without a sky daddy.. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 12:14pm On Mar 03, 2016 |
Speechless3: God is not Human. but he is humanoid. this fact is alluded to in genesis, when he clearly says, let us create man in our own Image. Every thing that theists know about God, comes from a book whose authenticity has not being verified. but that aside. So, It would seem we have come to conclusion of what logic is, and what the subject of disagreement between theists and Atheists are. what you are trying to do now is that you want to point that the alternative Explanations presented by Atheists on the cosmos is Illogical. Okay, then. All you have to do is Just prove the big bang theory and the theory of evolution wrong. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by JackBizzle: 5:29pm On Mar 03, 2016 |
JackBizzle: Speechless3? Hello? You ran away? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by Nobody: 6:12pm On Mar 03, 2016 |
JackBizzle:I no run i just tire for una. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by JackBizzle: 6:18pm On Mar 03, 2016 |
Speechless3: Yeah right.....when the real argument comes, you "get tired" |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 7:12pm On Mar 05, 2016 |
CoolUsername: And what did I say about transitionals presented? I said they show complete or extant species trasnsitionals. There are no non-viavle trasnitionals and which should see lots if a random process truly made us. The only lie is your precious theory. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by CoolUsername: 1:09am On Mar 06, 2016 |
UyiIredia: Are you sure of what your saying? We tend to have far less individuals when a genetic mutation is failed. Also, are you implying that there isn't any variation within fossils of the same species? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by JackBizzle: 1:11am On Mar 06, 2016 |
@ UyiIredia, Is atheism the rational choice? |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 9:19am On Mar 06, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Jamb question. |
Re: Has Any Atheist Seen The Laws Of Logic? Do They Exist? by UyiIredia(m): 9:20am On Mar 06, 2016 |
JackBizzle:Jamb question. |
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